Lawyers Who Learn

David Schnurman

Lawyers Who Learn, explores how attorneys’ engagement in lifelong learning fuels their growth. Join us to uncover these journeys and gain insights for your legal career.

  1. 1d ago

    #162 From the FBI's Counterterrorism Unit to Quantum Computing's Biggest Threat

    Brett Tanferani spent 21 years at the FBI chasing espionage and counterterrorism threats. Now he's sounding the alarm on something bigger: Q Day, the moment quantum computing renders modern encryption obsolete, may have just arrived. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, talks with Tanferani, a former FBI assistant special agent in charge now working in cybersecurity incident response, ransomware, and digital forensics. Tanferani breaks down what quantum computing actually does, why it accelerates AI learning exponentially, and how Japan's August 2025 announcement of a fully operational quantum computing stack may mark the threshold moment the security world feared. He explains "AI harvesting," the practice of nation-state actors stockpiling encrypted data today with the expectation that quantum computing will eventually crack it open, exposing everything from stolen medical records to defense secrets thought safely locked away for years. Tanferani also traces his own path from a rejected federal job applicant to a two-decade FBI career spanning counterintelligence, post-9/11 counterterrorism, and cyber operations against nation-states, along with lessons on decentralized leadership drawn from General Stanley McChrystal's Team of Teams. For attorneys advising clients on data security, incident response, or regulatory compliance, Tanferani's warning is a call to rethink what "safely encrypted" really means going forward. Browse Brett Tanferani’s Lawline CLE Courses → https://www.lawline.com/lawyer/brett-tanferani Browse All Lawline CLE Courses → https://www.lawline.com/cle/courses Lawyers Who Learn Podcast → https://linktr.ee/lawyerswholearn Connect with Brett Tanferani (Guest) → http://www.linkedin.com/in/brett-tanferani-2081309 Connect with David Schnurman (Host) → https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschnurman/ Lawyers Who Learn explores how lifelong learning powers attorneys' growth. New episodes weekly.

  2. 5d ago

    #161 Grand Juries Gone Wild: A White Collar Lawyer Tells All

    Jennifer McCoy just watched a federal investigation into her client vanish without explanation, the second one this year. It's a small mercy in an unusually turbulent moment for white collar law, one she says she's never seen in her career. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, talks with McCoy, a partner at Troutman Pepper Locke in Dallas whose four Lawline courses with co-instructor Paul Coggins, the firm's former U.S. Attorney, have reached more than three thousand attorneys. McCoy focuses on white collar government investigations and antitrust, work she stumbled into after turning down a summer associate offer and nearly abandoning big law altogether. She traces her path from a Dallas courtroom's seven-week healthcare fraud trial to Jindal, the first criminal prosecution of wage-fixing as an antitrust violation, and into her latest Lawline course, "Increased Scrutiny of Grand Jury Proceedings." There, she breaks down how subpoenas tied to Jerome Powell, James Comey, and Letitia James have been quashed or dismissed, and why so-called "no bills" have surged this year, evidence, she argues, of a grand jury process increasingly bent toward political ends rather than genuine investigation. McCoy also shares what drew her to teaching, the niche lessons her students bring back to her, and the books, from Atomic Habits to Everything's Tuberculosis, shaping how she thinks. Her insights offer legal professionals a rare, practitioner's view of how prosecutorial discretion and public pressure now collide inside the grand jury room.   Browse Jennifer McCoy’s Lawline CLE Courses → https://www.lawline.com/lawyer/jennifer-mccoy Browse All Lawline CLE Courses → https://www.lawline.com/cle/courses Lawyers Who Learn Podcast → https://linktr.ee/lawyerswholearn Connect with Jennifer McCoy (Guest) → https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifermccoy2/ Connect with David Schnurman (Host) → https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschnurman/ Lawyers Who Learn explores how lifelong learning powers attorneys' growth. New episodes weekly.

  3. Sep 28

    #160 Diagnosed at 54: Rewiring How Lawyers Work After Burnout

    Somewhere in his 40s, Doug Brown made a deliberate decision. He was not going to be the version of himself at 60 who wondered whether he'd ever gotten where he wanted to go. He's 60 now, and the work he does with clients is the work he had to do for himself first. The questioning started much earlier. As an associate under 30, Brown looked at the partners twenty and thirty years ahead of him — tired, overworked, quietly unhappy — and asked whether that was really the goal. His answer drove three decades of deliberate change: corporate counsel, executive director of the Connecticut Bar Association, MBA program chair at the Baldrige School of Business, and eventually South Carolina, where he built a coaching practice helping law firm owners get past what stopped him — grinding harder instead of asking for help — and build firms that don't depend on them.. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, talks with Brown, whose nine Lawline courses have logged over ten thousand completions with a 4.9-star average. Brown unpacks the "upper limit problem," the phenomenon where success triggers a cortisol response that pushes high achievers to unconsciously sabotage their own progress. He traces it back to his own diagnosis of high-functioning ADHD at 54, an experience that reframed decades of self-imposed grinding and burnout. Rather than teaching lawyers more information, Brown focuses on what actually keeps them stuck: permission, not knowledge. It's also why he now works almost exclusively with law firm owners on succession, firm transitions, and what comes next — the people who built successful firms and are now asking what happens to them. His approach is deliberately unconventional for a coach. He doesn't reflect questions back and ask what you think. He tells clients which plays will work for them and gives them a two-week playbook — and is on-call if they get stuck. Brown's candor about mental health, reinvention, and redefining success in the second half of a legal career offers listeners a rare, practical roadmap. For attorneys feeling stuck, burned out, or quietly wondering if there's a different way to build a sustainable career, Brown's journey shows what's possible on the other side. BrowseDoug Brown’s Lawline CLE Courses → https://www.lawline.com/lawyer/doug-brown-2 Browse All Lawline CLE Courses → https://www.lawline.com/cle/courses Lawyers Who Learn Podcast → https://linktr.ee/lawyerswholearn Connect with Doug Brown (Guest) → https://www.linkedin.com/in/douglasbrown/ Connect with David Schnurman (Host) → https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschnurman/ Lawyers Who Learn explores how lifelong learning powers attorneys' growth. New episodes weekly.

  4. Sep 24

    #159 Wrongful Convictions and the Making of "Pink Crime"

    Valena Beety spent her early career as a federal prosecutor in Washington, D.C.—until a single funeral changed everything. Meeting an exoneree whose mother had just passed after fighting eighteen years for his freedom, Beety realized she wanted to be part of that grace, not the system that had denied it. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, talks with Beety, a professor at Indiana University's Maurer School of Law and a Lawline faculty member since 2024, whose course tackles the criminalization of LGBTQ+ people. Beety traces her path from federal prosecutor to Mississippi Innocence Project attorney, founding director of the West Virginia Innocence Project, and now educator and author. She unpacks devastating case studies—including a daycare worker sentenced to over a century in prison on flawed child pornography charges tied to her queer identity, and the San Antonio Four, women wrongly convicted amid satanic-panic hysteria. These stories ground the term Beety coined herself: "pink crime," charges rooted fundamentally in gender bias, from stillbirths prosecuted as murder to drag performances treated as criminal acts. Drawing on her books Manifesting Justice and the newly released Pink Crime, Beety shows how identity-based prosecution persists across decades and how litigators, students, and communities chip away at injustice case by case. For defense attorneys, civil rights practitioners, and anyone representing vulnerable clients, Beety's work offers a framework for recognizing bias hiding in plain sight within the criminal legal system.

  5. Sep 10

    #155 How a Thesis Written in College Became a Career 15 Years Later

    Beth wrote a college thesis on affordable housing and voucher programs, then watched her legal career zigzag in the opposite direction—straight into Big Law real estate finance. It took one transaction involving Boston's inclusionary housing rules to reconnect her with the mission she'd nearly left behind, sending her from corporate associate to city government attorney to partner at a firm representing lenders who finance affordable housing across New York City. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn, host David Schnurman, CEO of Lawline, sits down with Beth to trace that career arc and unpack what's shaping New York's affordable housing landscape today. Beth breaks down how the city is creatively repurposing public land, speeding up the notoriously slow ULURP approval process, and even mismatching income bands to rent bands so units stay genuinely affordable. She also explains the pressure developers face under proposed rent freezes, why she took a steep pay cut to join NYC's Department of Housing Preservation and Development, and how that hands-on government experience became the foundation for the CLE courses she now teaches on Lawline. The conversation moves beyond policy into what fueled Beth's willingness to take risks: writing down her goals, seeking out mentors willing to teach her, and paying that mentorship forward through teaching. Beth and David also trade book recommendations, from parenting strategies to Barbara Kingsolver novels, rounding out a portrait of a lawyer whose winding career path led her exactly where her college thesis once predicted.

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Lawyers Who Learn, explores how attorneys’ engagement in lifelong learning fuels their growth. Join us to uncover these journeys and gain insights for your legal career.