The Ballad of the Crocodile and the Underpass

Washington Heritage Partnership

‘The Ballad of the Crocodile and the Underpass' – Stories of Washington New Town is a podcast collaboration between Washington Heritage Partnership, Sunderland Culture, We Make Culture, University of Sunderland, Baseline Shift, and Arts Centre Washington. Since April 2024, podcaster and musician Grace Stubbings, along with the Washington community podcasting group, has been gathering and sharing stories of life in Washington. Musicians Paige Temperley and David Brewis (Field Music) have worked with community members at Arts Centre Washington to transform these stories into songs. Drawing inspiration from the radio ballads of Charles Parker, Ewan MacColl, and Peggy Seeger, the podcast combines music, interviews, sounds, and archive recordings. The podcast was made possible due to funding from The National Lottery Heritage Fund, and our thanks go to Lottery players

Episodes

  1. 06/23/2025

    Shopping and Leisure: Step into Another World

    Episode 10 Shopping and Leisure : Step into Another World The Galleries Shopping Centre opened in 1974 and many Washington New Town residents have memories of shopping and working  there. People were able to shop indoors once the roof was built and they stepped into another world of supermarkets such as the SavaCentre store for the first time. People in in the new town were doing all sorts of hobbies – who knew that the 2003 and 2004 world champion in constructing slot car racing chassis came from the town? Of course going to pubs and clubs were integral to most adults’ leisure time (and some younger folks); and Washington has seen quite a few iconic clubs, bars and pubs come and go, including (most) Working Men’s Clubs transformed into affordable, inclusive and family friendly venues for every occasion. Football is of course a major obssession  for many Washies - what team you support is said to be dependent on which hospital you were born in … or family loyalties… We hope to look at this area in a future podcast!   Step Into Another World (song by David Brewis) Step into another world A square world, oh so clean Coq au vin served by machine Through the walls of the galleries Peer beady eyes from the aviary Step into another world Such convenience, so fancy free Grab a greenhouse, or a cup of tea The conveyor brings a bite to eat And the motorway brings a white heat And a new age Oh, a new way to be Decanted from Or built upon Or ferried in On a Bluebird’s wing Step into another world   You’ve been listening to: Ian Murray, Mandy MacDonald,  Claire Turnbill, Tracy Mallan , Mike and Linda Laws, Richard Robinson, George Kimber, John and Jackie Murray, Lesley Stephenson, Ged Parker, Bill Elliot, Kathy Simmons,  George Simmons, Eron and Daniel Hall,  Carol Heddon and  Claire Short Step into Another World was written and performed by David Brewis About the Project This episode was developed in collaboration with: Washington Heritage PartnershipSunderland City Council’s Washington Area CommitteeSunderland Culture at The Arts Centre WashingtonBaseline ShiftWe Make Culture Supported by: The University of SunderlandThe National Lottery Heritage Fund Acknowledgments Special thanks to The National Lottery Heritage Fund and National Lottery players for making this project possible.

    18 min
  2. 06/23/2025

    A Fresh Start: Women's Education and Training

    Episode 9  A Fresh Start… women’s education and training In the 60’s and 70’s many people moved to Washington New Town with few friends or family to support them when they started a family. Adult education programmes provided by organizations such as the Workers Educational Association -the WEA - and more recently celebrated by Never Stop Learning were very important in the lives of local residents and many benefited from the childcare that these courses provided. The 1919 report on adult education emphasized the importance of universal and lifelong access to adult education, viewing it as a necessity for building a democratic and tolerant society. It recognized the importance of lifelong learning – not just looking at vocational needs but also intellectual ,aesthetic and spiritual needs of communities. For some, adult education was a liberation from boredom of daily domestic taks. For others it was literally a lifeline – finding support and resources for escaping a violent relationship. The Bridge women’s Education and training project was set up in 1985 by a group of Washington women led by Sheila Davidson. Funded by regional and European grants it ran until  2012 providing jobs for hundreds and opportunities for thousands of women from using power tools to courses in forensic sciences.   Many women went onto college and University from Bridge and gained an enormous amount of support from others whilst their children were looked after in purpose built creches and nurseries. On International Women’s Day  2000 The Bridge became a radio station broadcasting to Washington and staffed entirely by women. A Fresh Start (song by Lydia and Leighton) New wooden floors in an empty house Stack us in, don’t kick us out Three-storey house with a bath inside On a different path to a quiet life Hit seventy-four at the start of the year Left everything that I thought was dear It doesn’t matter now, I’m starting my new life I can call this my fresh start To my quiet life Whimsical and new Where to begin? Log cabin house in a little park Leave the bairns to play in the neighbour’s yard Walk through the underpass down to the village hall Problem families started moving in Joining the districts that we live in Trying to make a life, we’re neighbours of the year I can call this my fresh start To my quiet life Whimsical and new Where to begin? I can call this my fresh start To my quiet life Whimsical and new Where to begin? More about educational organisations past and present can be found on the following sites: Never Stop Learning and ‘The Time of Our Lives -Women’s Education in Washington New Town’ report   Never Stop Learning -Platform 60 University of the 3rd Age (u3a)   Working Lass Project featuring Bridge Women’s Training Project and its founder Sheila Davidson   Thanks to Joan Molloy, Gloria Finnigan, Karen Sukora, Caroline Mitchell,  Maureen Marsden, Sheila Davidson,  Rosemary Muncaster, Marylyn Charlton, Anne Staines, Linda Williams, Keith Hodgson and  members of the Pink Collar Gallery, Working Lass Project A Fresh Start was composed and performed by Lydia Harvey and Leighton...

    24 min
  3. 03/11/2025

    Nature

    In this episode we explore the ways in which the new town development worked alongside the natural world with, for example, tree planting and daffodil days built into the planning. We hear about the value of nature reserves and parks such as James Steel Park and the Wetlands Centre as well as the ongoing appeal of allotments and 'council gardens'. Sixty years on, Washington has a legacy of woodlands and wildlife such as otters and kingfishers. As Nasim Rebecca Asl's poem portrays there's a darker side to the heritage on which the new town was built. Mesothelioma is growing in my grandpa’s greenhouse Nasim Rebecca Asl   Magnesia and some asbestos products were manufactured for decades at Washington Chemical Works. Hundreds died from illnesses caused by the material.   We plant seeds together in your greenhouse on a Monday after school. Your weathered hands unwrap germinated sprouts from kitchen roll, pointing out their tiny roots to me. They’re new. All we can do is bury these treasures in black plastic pots and water the soil with our sweat. Wait.   One Tuesday we transplant the shoots to a flower patch right by the fence. My tiny hands wear yours like gardening gloves as you guide the plants from box to ground. We give them space to breathe. After tea, your fingers envelop mine and help me control my sprawling letters, show me how to build words, how to read. We don’t yet know what’s taken root in you -  there’s a shadow blossoming in the greenhouse of your body, its cancerous petals unfurling in your lungs.   We water. We laugh. We monitor. The saplings shoot up. It’s Wednesday when we bind their fragile spines to bamboo poles, and twine their bodies to the stakes. They can’t yet bear their own weight, but I hope they grow in your image. One small flower, one large support: our shadows match theirs.   On Thursday, we’re side by side outside admiring the sunflowers as they swivel with the earth to find their god. They’ve outgrown me. I look up to both of you. You tell me they seek the sun but I think they’re always searching for your face. Grandma calls us in for tea. She wipes mud from my knees, the way she’d brush powder from your overalls when you came home from the chemical works. Her tummy rumbles. I turn to ask you a question, but you’re doubled over, clawing for breath.    It’s Friday. You’re gone. The flowers have rotted too, returned to mulch with you. I don’t know who uprooted them in the end. Your bungalow, where I learned to tie my laces and how to live outside myself, is sold, but sometimes I take the bus back through my childhood because it passes by your fence, now painted blue. I can’t help but crane my neck to stare back down Coach Road, to see the sunflowers still haloing the fence, their sunlight crowning your head.   Guests: Washington Community Podcasting Group, with Chas Ferguson, Ged Parker, Nick Jobson, Kim Hunter, Gloria Finnigan, Thomas Finnigan, David Duffy, Sheila Oxley, Irene Ridley, Jim Metcalf, Olive Metcalf and Ian Murray Music and ProductionProduced by: Grace Stubbings & the Washington Community Podcasting GroupMusic by: David Brewis Poem by Nasim Rebecca AslExecutive Producers: Caroline Mitchell & Jude Murphy About the ProjectThis episode was developed in collaboration with: Washington Heritage PartnershipSunderland City Council’s Washington Area CommitteeSunderland Culture at The Arts Centre WashingtonBaseline...

    22 min
  4. 03/11/2025

    Art and Music

    In this episode we look at some examples of how music and arts developed in the new town. Since 1972, Arts Centre Washington has been the place where many music, theatre and arts activities and performances have taken place, including radio ballad pioneer Peggy Seeger's concert at the Davey Lamp Folk Club. Washington has also been the birthplace of many well-known artists and performers: musicians Brian Ferry and Alan Price and the painter Paul Stangroom. Listen on for a story about the young Dave Stewart stowing away with a band at the Black Bush Folk Club! David Brewis' song highlights how the RCA record plant in Washington contributed to the global music industry in the 1970’s. Thirteen years of vinyl record production! We wonder, now vinyl is resurgent, whether there will ever be another record pressing plant in Washington? Thirteen Years David Brewis Thirteen years, thirteen years From Armstrong’s future vision eyes The modernist’s flyby archetype  To a victim of changing styles ‘Til Presley’s on sale again Thirteen years, thirteen years Truly different from anywhere Neatly laid in mile-wide squares From the A19 to the A1(M) So mediterranean We’ve got thirteen years, thirteen years To stay up to the minute To say new town new Thirteen years, thirteen years A million square feet of factories How many more of welded steel? Black PVC needle-ready But the king’s already left We had thirteen years, thirteen years To stay up to the minute To stay new town new To stay up to the minute To stay new town new Guests:Washington Community Podcasting Group, David Robson, Doug Walker, Bill Elliot, Martin Stephenson, Peter McAdam, Barbara Fiddy, David Young, Mike Laws, Linda Laws, Tony Erskine, Rosanna Erskine, Paul Stangroom, Bob Hope, Neil Armstrong, Harry Hindess and Catherine Taylor. With thanks to Von Fox Promotions for the Davy Lamp excerpts and to Centre Stage for the Paul Stangroom interview. Music and ProductionProduced by: Grace Stubbings & the Washington Community Podcasting GroupMusic by: David Brewis & Paige TemperleyExecutive Producers: Caroline Mitchell & Jude Murphy About the ProjectThis episode was developed in collaboration with: Washington Heritage PartnershipSunderland City Council’s Washington Area CommitteeSunderland Culture at The Arts Centre WashingtonBaseline ShiftWe Make Culture Supported by: The University of SunderlandThe National Lottery Heritage Fund AcknowledgmentsSpecial thanks to The National Lottery Heritage Fund and National Lottery players for making this project possible.

    24 min
  5. 03/11/2025

    Mining and Industry

    Washington was heavily involved in the coal industry – men working in the dirty and dangerous pits and women supporting them in many ways above the ground. The new town development coincided with the gradual closing of the mines. New industries followed: some ex-pitmen went to work at the RCA record pressing plant which opened in 1970 and until 1980 Timex was also an employer. Major employers BAE systems and Rolls Royce added to Washington’s industrial success story. The Nissan car manufacturing plant started in 1984. Within 20 years Washington’s industries were transformed. A Miner’s Town Written by Paige Temperley Rattle of the cage on the ropes Just a young apprentice full of hope  In a town where everything was coal Mother waits at home A fiery furnace now awaits Noise that no-one can escape Boys lean on each other or you’ll break When darkness calls If I’d known then what I know now I’m not so sure that I’d go down Bound together underground A Miner’s town Man Rider leads you to the pit For another dark day in the abyss Morale’s for keeping up remember kids ‘Til we reach the surface Heat it hits you in the face Whatever was up there has been replaced Danger becomes just another day A constant service If I’d known then what I know now I’m not so sure that I’d go down Bound together underground A Miner’s town Dash through the showers lads There’s a pint to be had Last orders half ten Home, bed and go again Maybe soon we’ll see the light Until then we’ll sell our time Same risks keep us tight Think we’re due another strike If I’d known then what I know now I’m not so sure that I’d go down Bound together underground A Miner’s town Guests:Washington Community Podcasting Group and Mac Stephenson, Ged Parker, Jim Metcalf, Brenda Naisby, Irene McAdam, Mike Laws, Harry Hindess, Linda Chapman and Martin Chapman Music and ProductionProduced by: Grace Stubbings & the Washington Community Podcasting GroupMusic by: David Brewis & Paige TemperleyExecutive Producers: Caroline Mitchell & Jude Murphy About the ProjectThis episode was developed in collaboration with: Washington Heritage PartnershipSunderland City Council’s Washington Area CommitteeSunderland Culture at The Arts Centre WashingtonBaseline ShiftWe Make Culture Supported by: The University of SunderlandThe National Lottery Heritage Fund AcknowledgmentsSpecial thanks to The National Lottery Heritage Fund and National Lottery players for making this project possible.

    21 min
  6. 11/18/2024

    The Curly Wurly Bridge

    In this episode, we explore the story of the iconic Curly Wurly Bridge and its role in shaping the transformation of Fatfield. Featuring A Spanish Village, written and performed by David Brewis, this episode captures the historical and cultural significance of this beloved landmark. A Spanish Village / Its Own Kind of Paradise David Brewis  Out of the dust A garden will grow Vines intertwined Kept safe from the roads By the road The children can play Away from the smoke And wait for the sun Square pegs in round holes So beautiful Ah, who needs the sun? The hills will do us right The sea breeze can reach Right along the river Its own kind of paradise Guests:Washington Community Podcasting Group, Roger Morris (Fatfield Resident), Mike Laws, Linda Laws, Ged Parker (Washington Development Corporation), Washington Newtown Architects, David Robson, Ricard Robinson, Ursula Robson, Martin Stephenson, Peter McAdam, Liz Greener, April Welby. Music and ProductionProduced by: Grace Stubbings & the Washington Community Podcasting GroupMusic by: David Brewis & Paige TemperleyExecutive Producers: Caroline Mitchell & Jude Murphy About the ProjectThis episode was developed in collaboration with: Washington Heritage PartnershipSunderland City Council’s Washington Area CommitteeSunderland Culture at The Arts Centre WashingtonBaseline ShiftWe Make Culture Supported by: The University of SunderlandThe National Lottery Heritage Fund AcknowledgmentsSpecial thanks to The National Lottery Heritage Fund and National Lottery players for making this project possible.

    18 min
  7. 11/18/2024

    Ghosts and Witches

    In this episode, we delve into local legends, spine-chilling ghost stories, and the haunting tales of women accused of witchcraft in Washington’s history. Featuring Lady of the Biddick House, written and performed by Paige Temperley, this episode brings the past to life with captivating stories and performances. Lady of the Biddick House Paige Temperley  Lady of the Biddick House had her little heart ripped out Love forbidden, so profound, she was upstairs he was down You see, it can’t be, if there status in-between But believe, she’d a need for a man with thumbs of green Lady of the Biddick House, slow and surely she snuck out Love forbidden, so profound, only rose bushes surrounded Them as they fell, deeper under true loves spell  In society’s cell he was the Beast and she was Belle A story she knew all too well Wouldn’t let it die with them  Lady of the Biddick House decided to stick around Holding onto love once found, she would show them ‘not allowed’ Obsess and digress, trapped in a lifetime’s distress Many centuries guest, draws a spirit of unrest Lady of the Biddick House learned her home would be knocked down Mr Ferry’s garden now, must make way for a new town The roses he grew, with his hands he would remove But the Lady refused, threw them back to what she knew Lady of the Biddick House, heart forever bleeding out…   Guests:Washington Community Podcasting Group, Roseanna Erskine, Paige Temperley, Gloria Finnigan, Jim Metcalfe, Liz Greener, Anderson. Music and ProductionProduced by: Grace Stubbings & the Washington Community Podcasting GroupMusic by: David Brewis & Paige TemperleyExecutive Producers: Caroline Mitchell & Jude Murphy About the ProjectThis episode was developed in collaboration with: Washington Heritage PartnershipSunderland City Council’s Washington Area CommitteeSunderland Culture at The Arts Centre WashingtonBaseline ShiftWe Make Culture Supported by: The University of SunderlandThe National Lottery Heritage Fund AcknowledgmentsSpecial thanks to The National Lottery Heritage Fund and National Lottery players for making this project possible.

    14 min
  8. 11/18/2024

    Howay Jimmy

    In this episode, we take a nostalgic journey back to 1977, when US President Jimmy Carter visited Washington Village. Howay Jimmy is a heartfelt reflection on this historic event, written and performed by Paige Temperley, with stories and insights from members of the Washington community. Hoaway Jimmy   Written by Paige Temperley Hoaway Jimmy come on down And look at our new town The streets are lined  And soon you’ll find  There’re full of roaring crowds Hoaway Jimmy come on down And give our hands a shake  We’re dressed up to the nines And we’ve asked the band to play  ‘Cause things like this don’t happen every day… Flags at the ready Lets wave those stars and stripes A striking combination of red, blue, and white Hello Mr President With one we share a name And here you are on your first trip of Presidential fame  Pedal to the floor he arrives our doorstep Like that of those before and so the story goes Hoaway Jimmy come on down And look at our new town The streets are lined  And soon you’ll find  There’re full of roaring crowds Hoaway Jimmy come on down And give our hands a shake  We’re dressed up to the nines And we’ve asked the band to play  ‘Cause things like this don’t happen every day… Green thumbs at the ready Let’s head down to the green We all know what happened to that poor tulip tree Hello Mr President For you we have a gift  A miners flame safety lamp used in colliery F Pedal to the floor he arrives our doorstep Like that of those before and so the story goes Hoaway Jimmy come on down And look at our new town The streets are lined  And soon you’ll find  There’re full of roaring crowds Hoaway Jimmy come on down And give our hands a shake  We’re dressed up to the nines And we’ve asked the band to play  ‘Cause things like this don’t happen every day… Hoaway Jimmy, Hoaway Jimmy, Hoaway Jimmy, Hoaway Jimmy x2  (whoas in background) Hoaway Jimmy come on down And look at our new town The streets are lined  And soon you’ll find  There’re full of roaring crowds Hoaway Jimmy come on down And give our hands a shake  We’re dressed up to the nines And we’ve asked the band to play  ‘Cause things like this don’t happen every day… ‘Cause things like this don’t happen round our way… ‘Cause things like this don’t happen Mmmmm… Guests:Washington Community Podcasting Group, Laurie Endean-Olsen, David Warden, Olive Metcalfe, Jim Metcalfe, City Swing, April Welby, Mike Laws, Barbara Fiddy, Shaun Hair. Music and ProductionProduced by: Grace Stubbings & the Washington Community Podcasting GroupMusic by: David Brewis & Paige TemperleyExecutive Producers: Caroline Mitchell & Jude Murphy About the ProjectThis episode was developed in collaboration with: Washington Heritage PartnershipSunderland City Council’s Washington Area CommitteeSunderland Culture at The Arts Centre WashingtonBaseline ShiftWe Make Culture Supported by: The University of SunderlandThe National Lottery Heritage Fund AcknowledgmentsSpecial thanks to The National Lottery Heritage Fund and National...

    16 min
  9. 11/18/2024

    The Underpasses

    In this episode, we explore The Underpasses—examining the ideal of safe routes to school and the reality of 'betwixt and between' spaces. This episode brings together fascinating stories and creative expressions from Washington, brought to life by the community and special guests. It featurse Underpass, a ballad written and performed by David Brewis. Underpass (after Jake) David Brewis When I was just a bairn Barely bar-stool high I’d nestle in the club To see what stories might pass by And every now and then I’d hear the most alluring lass Tell a handsome washy chap She’d show him round her underpass Underpass Take a tour around my underpass A three-dimensional, architectural Oh, so peculiar wonder It’s my underpass It could be your underpass And though it may sound crass I love you so I’d cycled through a few On my evening paper round I’d never thought to wonder What enchantments might abound Within their lustrous concrete walls Such prefabricated class No troglodyte could tarnish Her exemplary underpass Underpass Take a tour around my underpass A three-dimensional, architectural Oh, so peculiar wonder It’s my underpass It could be your underpass And though it may sound crass I’d ask you, dear, to dash The romance may not last I love you… now Guests:Washington Community Podcasting Group, Dr. Ian Cook, Northumbria University, Professor Caroline Mitchell, University of Sunderland, Jude Murphy, Tommy Anderson, Chris Morland, Claire Kingston, Jamie Murray, Ged Parker (Washington History Society), Roger Morris, Jennifer Tindall, Mike Clay. Music and ProductionProduced by: Grace Stubbings & the Washington Community Podcasting GroupMusic by: David Brewis & Paige TemperleyExecutive Producers: Caroline Mitchell & Jude Murphy About the ProjectThis episode was developed in collaboration with: Washington Heritage PartnershipSunderland City Council’s Washington Area CommitteeSunderland Culture at The Arts Centre WashingtonBaseline ShiftWe Make Culture Supported by: The University of SunderlandThe National Lottery Heritage Fund AcknowledgmentsSpecial thanks to The National Lottery Heritage Fund and National Lottery players for making this project possible.

    15 min
  10. 10/31/2024

    The Town of Roundabouts

    In this episode, we dive into Washington's fascinating roads, roundabouts, and its controversial district numbering system. We also explore the community stories and creativity behind Town of Roundabouts, written and performed by Paige Temperley. The Town of Roundabouts Paige Temperley Photographs I took So many shades of colour Stapled in a book  Suppose I never looked around The corners of this town Until I wrote it down  Amenities and folk Shops and village pubs Don’t fix what isn’t broken They were right there on the door And now we long for more Reminiscent of before 60 Years we’ve seen of this new town But it feels like it’s always been around Through these roads we’ve been lost and we’ve been found In the town of roundabouts  Districts they stood tall          Set apart by numbers Wasn’t long before they’d fall People just wanted a name A village they could claim A place to call home 60 Years we’ve seen of this new town But it feels like it’s always been around Through these roads we’ve been lost and we’ve been found In the town of roundabouts Fields of grass Pictures taken on a Kodac  Memories to last  Rumoured Crocodiles Beautiful wildlife  Time it goes so fast  60 Years we’ve seen of this new town But it feels like it’s always been around Through these roads we’ve been lost and we’ve been found In the town of roundabouts In the town of roundabouts In the town of roundabouts Guests: Washington Community Podcasting Group, Brenda Naisby, Tony Erskine (Artist for Washington Development Corporation), Ian Murray, Roseanna Erskine, Sarah Murray, Doug Walker, Bob Hope, Kim Hunter, Gloria Finnigan, Thomas Finnigan, Olive Metcalfe, Ellaine Davidson. Music and ProductionProduced by: Grace Stubbings & the Washington Community Podcasting GroupMusic by: David Brewis & Paige TemperleyExcutive producers: Caroline Mitchell and Jude Murphy This episode was developed in collaboration with: Washington Heritage PartnershipSunderland City Council’s Washington Area CommitteeSunderland Culture at The Arts Centre WashingtonBaseline ShiftWe Make Culture Supported by: The University of SunderlandThe National Lottery Heritage Fund AcknowledgmentsSpecial thanks to The National Lottery Heritage Fund and National Lottery players for making this project possible.

    18 min

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‘The Ballad of the Crocodile and the Underpass' – Stories of Washington New Town is a podcast collaboration between Washington Heritage Partnership, Sunderland Culture, We Make Culture, University of Sunderland, Baseline Shift, and Arts Centre Washington. Since April 2024, podcaster and musician Grace Stubbings, along with the Washington community podcasting group, has been gathering and sharing stories of life in Washington. Musicians Paige Temperley and David Brewis (Field Music) have worked with community members at Arts Centre Washington to transform these stories into songs. Drawing inspiration from the radio ballads of Charles Parker, Ewan MacColl, and Peggy Seeger, the podcast combines music, interviews, sounds, and archive recordings. The podcast was made possible due to funding from The National Lottery Heritage Fund, and our thanks go to Lottery players