WiseOnWater podcast

WiseOnWater podcast

This podcast delves into the critical issues shaping the future of water in the UK. Join host Natasha Wiseman as she chats with industry experts, policymakers, and researchers about the latest trends, challenges, and innovations in the UK water sector. Every month, we'll be bringing together a diverse range of voices to spark insightful conversations and actionable solutions.

  1. FEB 9

    S2 E4: Innovation in action

    In this episode of the WiseOnWater podcast, ‘Innovation in action,’ host Natasha Wiseman and guests from Ofwat, The Scotland Hydro Nation Chair programme, and Northumbrian Water and explore the massive shift in gear required to deliver truly innovative water resilience and exemplary environmental stewardship. From the critical role of regulation to the world-first research initiatives in Scotland, our guests discuss how the water sector is moving toward an innovative culture of openness, collaboration, ground-breaking technologies and nature-based solutions.  Guest 1: Dr Jo Jolly  Role: Director for Environment and Innovation, Ofwat  Background: With a PhD in Geophysics, Jo brings 20 years of experience in infrastructure and project delivery, including a tenure as Head of Project Futures at the Infrastructure and Projects Authority.  Key Topics:   Insights into the recent Government White Paper and Ofwat’s innovation fund.  How to move beyond compliance to an ethical framework of foresight, integrity, and care.  Why nature-based solutions shouldn't be considered "innovative" but rather the standard for moving and treating water.  How procurement and insurance systems need to innovate to allow for failure and rapid learning.  Guest 2: David Millar  Role: Senior Innovation Fellow, The Scotland Hydro Nation Chair programme (University of Stirling / Scottish Water)  Background: With over 18 years of experience delivering multi-million-pound technology programs in the international energy sector, David now leads innovation efforts for a world-first water resource management initiative.  Key topics:   The Hydro Nation framework: How Scotland is leveraging an innovative world-first approach to manage water for maximum economic and environmental benefit.  A guide on integrating academic research with water company operations to move technology from lab-scale experiments to real-world utility application.  Insight into how collaborative intelligence overcomes silos and moves the sector toward a shared innovation model that solves systemic challenges like climate resilience and net-zero targets.  Guest 3: Dr Angela McOscar  Role: Head of Innovation, Northumbrian Water  Key Topics: A look ahead to the 10th anniversary of the Northumbrian Water Innovation Festival (6th–9th July).  Working with university partners to bring robotic network maintenance from the lab to the real world.  The need to address regulatory roadblocks such as "Regulation 31" and lab facility constraints that currently "strangle" product innovation.  Why a workforce that reflects the society it serves is a fundamental driver of innovation.

    47 min
  2. JAN 12

    S2 E3: Skills and Recruitment

    In the third episode of season 2, host Natasha Wiseman is joined by guests from EU Skills, United Unities and Xylem UK & Ireland to discuss the "monumental" workforce challenge in the water sector, including skills gaps, recruitment strategies, diversity, and the next generation of talent.  Guest 1: Paul Cox, Group Chief Executive of Energy & Utility Skills (EU Skills)  About EU Skills: A membership body of 70 companies (including all UK water utilities) representing a combined turnover of over £120 billion. They manage a register of 300,000+ safety-qualified workers.  Key discussion points:  A significant portion of the frontline workforce is approaching retirement.  The £104 billion investment for AMP8 (Asset Management Period 8) requires new skills in procurement, contract management, cyber security, and large-scale infrastructure (e.g., reservoirs).  The workforce will soon span five generations, with "Gen Alpha" (born 2010+) already entering work experience.   Guest 2: Adrienne McFarland, People Director at United Utilities  About United Utilities: A FTSE 100 business, responsible for water and wastewater services, delivering 1.8 billion litres of water every day to more than 3 million homes and businesses in the North West  Key discussion points:  Critical skills needed in the water sector include engineering, construction, and quantity surveying; environmental skills, land management, and planning, as well as digital, AI, and data analytics.  United Utilities has doubled its intake of graduates and apprentices.  Regarding ‘knowledge transfer’ UU have a focus on "Flexible Retirement" (allowing veterans to work 2-3 days a week) and maintaining an active alumni network to mentor new hires.  Highlighting programmes for Armed Forces veterans (who make up 5% of applicants) and ex-offenders.  Guest 3/4/5: Perminder Atwal (HR Business Partner, Xylem), Amina Anverdeen (Sales Representative), and Ed Ellis (Graduate Chemist).  About Xylem UK & Ireland: Xylem is a leading global water solutions company dedicated to advancing sustainable impact and empowering the people who make water work every day. Xylem connects diverse capabilities and innovative technologies to provide tailored solutions across the entire water cycle.  Key discussion points:  Perminder:  The water industry often lacks visibility or suffers from negative press –leading to recruitment challenges.   Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) is critical. Perminder discusses the challenges of ensuring DEI in the water sector and dives into her DEI podcast Beneath the Surface - which aims to to make the "unseen seen."  Early career insights:  Amina:  Challenges misconceptions that the role is purely technical; it is equally about problem-solving and commercial communication.  Ed: Stresses the immediate human impact of working in the water sector- for example, working on net-zero goals and public health is a primary driver for young professionals interested in working in this sector.  Key episode takeaways:  The water sector faces significant skills and capacity challenges.  An ageing workforce is a critical issue in the water industry.  Diversity and inclusion are vital for building a resilient workforce.  Recruitment strategies must evolve to attract new talent.  The sector needs to move from a "crisis" narrative to an "opportunity" narrative, highlighting the 50,000+ new jobs being created.  Mid-career professionals should focus on their want to contribute to social value; technical skills can often be taught if the passion for the environment is present.

    31 min
  3. 12/08/2025

    S2 E2: Regulation Reimagined!

    In this final episode of 2025, we dive into the crucial issues shaping the future of the UK water sector: regulation, resilience, and policy change. We’re joined by two high-profile and influential figures who are driving this vital conversation forward. Guest 1: Lee Pitcher MP Labour MP for Doncaster East and the Isle of Axum, and Chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) on Water. Key discussion points: · The APPGs' influence: Lee discusses his role in Parliament, chairing both the Water APPG (one of the most popular and cross-party groups) and the Floods and Drought APPG, and how they shape government policy through expert dialogue. · The Cunliffe Review and regulatory change: Insight into the potentially generational changes coming from the Cunliffe Review · A new regulator: Discussion around the recommendation to replace Ofwat with a different, more integrated regulator to consolidate management activities and align strategic planning over 20-25 year cycles. · Systems planning and governance: The need for end-to-end management of the water cycle, moving away from fragmented responsibilities · Infrastructure: The importance of investment in both traditional and nature-based solutions (SuDS) to build flood and drought resilience. · Water reuse & conservation: Calling for a cultural change to address the predicted 5 billion litres/day shortfall by 2055. · Accountability and public trust: The role of transparency and innovative leadership in rebuilding public trust. · Career in water: A passionate case for why the water sector is a rewarding place to work. Guest 2: Marcus Rink Role: Chief Inspector at the Drinking Water Inspectorate (DWI). Key Discussion points: · The DWI’s role: Overview of the DWI’s role in regulatory oversight, inspection, enforcement, and policy advice, with the ultimate goal of protecting public health by ensuring safe, clean, and wholesome water from source to tap. · Drinking water quality: Marcus emphasises that the UK's drinking water quality is world-leading. The Yale Environmental Performance Index (2024) ranks the UK with a perfect score of 100 for drinking water, putting it at equal #1 in the world (one of eight countries). · The risks: A stark reminder of the global context, where over a million people die annually from lack of access to safe drinking water. · Challenges: Key challenges include ageing infrastructure, the impacts of climate change (droughts and heavy rain), changes in population/usage (high per capita consumption), and the threat of new and emerging contaminants like PFAS. · Regulating PFAS: The DWI is shaping its regulatory response to PFAS (forever chemicals), acknowledging the growing public and scientific pressure to set stricter standards.

    45 min
  4. 11/03/2025

    S2 E1: The Big Reset

    This episode of WiseOnWater, Conversations in Flow, marks the launch of Season Two and focuses on the genuine turning point for the UK water sector.   Host Natasha Wiseman explores the challenges and opportunities presented by the recent Independent Water Commission (IWC) report and the commencement of AMP8.   The discussion centres on moving the sector from reactive crisis management to proactive, deep resilience - ensuring water security and a thriving environment.  Guests:  Karma Loveday (Editor of The UK Water Report): A highly respected voice in the sector, offering a critical, sector-wide perspective on policy, regulation, and finance in the wake of the IWC report and the new AMP world.  Matt Wheeldon (Director of Infrastructure Development at Wessex Water): Brings extensive experience in translating high-level goals into real-world sustainable infrastructure projects, with a particular focus on innovative solutions for storm overflows and water resource management Top Three Takeaways: Regulate outcomes, not just outputs: Shift from narrow targets to a more flexible, supervisory approach that prioritises environmental impact, Net Zero, and innovation. Strategic communications and trust: The Government needs to adopt a strategic communications reset, to help recover public and investor trust and place necessary criticism in the context of industry reform. Future proofing is upstream: Achieve deep resilience and water security by shifting focus from traditional, carbon-intensive infrastructure to managing rain where it lands and promoting a societal shift in valuing water (smart metering, incentives).

    40 min
  5. 09/08/2025

    Episode 12: The future of UK water

    In the final episode of Season 1, ‘The future of UK water’ host Natasha Wiseman speaks with two pivotal figures in the UK's water sector: Mark Lloyd, CEO of The Rivers Trust, and Tania Flasck, Director of Water Operations at Southern Water. The conversation explores the unprecedented challenges and opportunities facing the UK's rivers and water systems.   Mark provides a grassroots perspective on the state of our rivers, the complexities of pollution, and the power of local action. Tanya offers an inside view from a major water company, discussing the challenges of ageing infrastructure, climate change, and the crucial need for collaboration and innovation. Together, they paint a comprehensive picture of a sector at a critical juncture, highlighting the need for collective effort, from government and industry to the individual "water citizen," to secure a resilient water future.  Takeaways: Our rivers are in poor health. Despite some successes, pollution from agriculture, a growing population, and new demands are putting immense pressure on UK rivers. The regulatory system needs a reset. The current framework is confusing, and a new "super regulator" is proposed to provide clarity and strategic direction. Collaboration is key. Local, collaborative projects that bring together communities, charities, and businesses are the most effective way to tackle complex water issues. Pollution is a multi-faceted problem. We must address all sources of pollution, not just sewage, including agricultural runoff, highway pollution, and household chemicals. Water companies are part of the solution. The industry is actively working on innovative projects and collaborations to improve resilience and sustainability. We can all help. The "water citizen" concept urges the public to take responsibility for their own water use and disposal, contributing to a collective solution.

    41 min
  6. 08/04/2025

    Episode 11: Rethinking energy and water

    In this episode of the WiseOnWater podcast, host Natasha Wiseman engages with experts from two major water companies to discuss the critical intersection of energy and water.  The conversation with Pete Vale, carbon and circular economy architect at Severn Trent Water and Xiang Cheng, head of energy and carbon at Thames Water, delves into the challenges and innovations surrounding carbon reduction and energy efficiency in the water industry, particularly in light of the 2030 net zero targets.   Key themes include the energy-intensive nature of water treatment, the importance of collaboration and innovation, and the need for a conscientious approach to sustainability.  Takeaways:  The water industry is energy-intensive, using about 3% of the UK's energy  Effluent quality must remain a priority while reducing energy consumption  Innovative technologies like anaerobic digestion are key to renewable energy generation  Collaboration across water companies accelerates progress towards net zero  Real-time data analysis is crucial for identifying inefficiencies  Drones and AI are transforming asset management in the water sector  Carbon reduction should be embedded in all decision-making processes  Understanding emissions variation is essential for effective management  The supply chain plays a vital role in achieving energy efficiency goals  Conscientiousness in resource use is essential for future sustainability

    35 min
  7. 07/07/2025

    Episode 10: Regulation for resilience

    This episode dives into the crucial and often challenging topic of water industry regulation in the UK. As one of the most heavily regulated sectors, water faces a complex web of oversight designed to balance consumer protection, environmental sustainability, and vital infrastructure investment. Natasha examines the roles of key regulatory bodies, including economic regulators such as Ofwat and the Water Industry Commission for Scotland (WICS), environmental overseers like the Environment Agency, Natural Resources Wales, and SEPA, as well as the Drinking Water Inspectorate, which ensures water quality. In this insightful conversation, Natasha is joined by two leading voices in the sector: Jeevan Jones, Head Economist at Water UK, and David Satti, Chief Executive of WICS. Together, they tackle critical questions including: How can regulation effectively incentivise sustainable and innovative water management? What truly defines "good" regulation? And what changes could lead to improved outcomes for consumers, the environment, and the industry? Takeaways: · The multifaceted landscape of water industry regulation in the UK · The roles of economic regulators (Ofwat, WICS), environmental regulators (Environment Agency, Natural Resources Wales, SEPA), and water quality regulators (Drinking Water Inspectorate) · The delicate balance between consumer protection, environmental sustainability, and infrastructure investment · Strategies for regulation to incentivise sustainable and innovative water management. · Defining and achieving "good" regulation

    36 min

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This podcast delves into the critical issues shaping the future of water in the UK. Join host Natasha Wiseman as she chats with industry experts, policymakers, and researchers about the latest trends, challenges, and innovations in the UK water sector. Every month, we'll be bringing together a diverse range of voices to spark insightful conversations and actionable solutions.