Host: Kathleen Vail, editor, Kappan Guest: John Wilson, educator, advocate, and former executive director of the National Education Association and 2025 Educators Rising Champion In this episode, Kappan editor Kathleen Vail sits down with John Wilson — a teacher, union leader, policy advocate, and one of Educators Rising’s 2025 Champions — for a wide-ranging conversation about what it means to spend a lifetime in service to the teaching profession. Wilson’s story begins in a cafeteria line at Western Carolina University, where a chance encounter with a student NEA table set the course for five decades of advocacy. From teaching middle schoolers to read during leaves of absence from union work, to leading the fight to get North Carolina schools air-conditioned, to navigating No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top as NEA’s top staff executive, Wilson’s career is a masterclass in staying in the fight. He talks candidly about the arc of North Carolina teacher pay — from the 40s in national rankings to the low 20s under Governor Jim Hunt, and sadly back to the 40s today — and reflects on what it takes to sustain political will for public education across changing administrations. He shares the origin story of the North Carolina Foundation for Public School Children, which has distributed over a million dollars to meet needs that government simply won’t fund, including wells, washing machines, and backup pairs of glasses for kids who would otherwise fall behind. The conversation turns to the Teacher Cadet Program, which Wilson founded in North Carolina using the South Carolina model as inspiration, and how it became a feeder into Educators Rising’s national network. He makes a pointed contrast between programs like Teach for America — which he argues is fundamentally a leadership pipeline, not a teaching pipeline — and the philosophy behind Educators Rising: that the best thing you can do for students is keep great teachers *in* the classroom. Wilson also reflects on the Partnership for 21st Century Skills, coalition-building philosophy (his “shoulder to shoulder” model in North Carolina), the importance of teacher voice in policy, and why he believes we should be listening more to those who work with children directly. The episode closes with Wilson’s Educators Rising moment: a first-generation college student who moved through five elementary schools in first grade alone, finding his school family in a handful of great high school teachers — and dedicating his career to making sure those teachers had the conditions they needed to stay. About John Wilson: John Wilson began his career in the 1970s as a special education teacher in Wake County, North Carolina. He served as president of the NC Education Association’s student program before rising to become executive director of NCAE and later executive director of the NEA, a position he held for approximately 11 years. He founded the North Carolina Teacher Cadet Program and the North Carolina Foundation for Public School Children, and served as past chair of the Partnership for 21st Century Skills, the Learning First Alliance, and the North Carolina Covenant for Children. He was named an Educators Rising Champion in 2025. © 2026 PDK International • Arlington, Virginia — Chapter Guide **0:00** — Introduction: John Wilson’s career overview **1:11** — From a cafeteria line to the student NEA: How advocacy started at Western Carolina University **3:07** — Why special education changed everything: “Everybody can learn something” **4:04** — Teaching middle schoolers to read between union assignments **5:14** — The perspective shift: Low tolerance for what’s wrong, and the fight for school air conditioning **7:16** — Educators Rising and the Teacher Cadet Program vs. Teach for America: Who stays in teaching? **8:47** — The moral case for teacher pay: Advocacy for national average in North Carolina **13:02** — Leading the NEA: No Child Left Behind, Race to the Top, and what happens when you don’t ask teachers **20:05** — Returning to North Carolina: The North Carolina Foundation for Public School Children **27:22** — Founding the NC Teacher Cadet Program: Curriculum, partnerships, and the path to college credit **33:12** — District-level pipelines: Guilford County’s early job offers to Teacher Cadets **37:09** — Building the national partnership with Educators Rising and CTE **39:13** — Why professional identity formation in high school matters **40:55** — “I am a get-to-yes person”: The Partnership for 21st Century Skills and coalition philosophy **43:25** — John Wilson’s Educators Rising moment: First-generation, five schools in first grade, and the teachers who became his family
