GOOD ON WOOD

Contemplative Trouble in an Age of Rising Fascisms

“If you are going to follow Jesus, you better look good on wood.” - Daniel Berrigan SJ The Good on Wood podcast explores the lives of dangerous disciples, holy mischief makers, contemplative activists, and ordinary radicals in hopes that their witness would inspire a new generation of Jesus followers to get up, get out, and get into some "good trouble." A production of St Stephens University & The Jim Forest Institute of Religion, Peace & Justice goodonwoodpodcast.substack.com

  1. André & Magda Trocmé: Conspiracy of Goodness w. David P. Gushee

    Jun 10

    André & Magda Trocmé: Conspiracy of Goodness w. David P. Gushee

    In today’s episode of Good on Wood, we are joined by renowned ethicist, author and professor David P. Gushee to explore the not so ordinary - ordinary story of Magda and André Trocmé, whose steadfast commitment to nonviolence and stubborn sense of duty to love the stranger led them to save thousands of lives during the Holocaust. As community leaders in the rural French village of Le Chambon-sur-Lignon, the Trocmé’s helped spur on a radical movement of rescue and costly hospitality of Jews amid WWII. Through their example, we confront what it means to follow Jesus in the face of systemic evil and how their legacy challenges contemporary responses to violence, racism, nationalism, and Christian identity. *A special thanks to CUNY for use of the archival recordings of Nelly Trocmé Hewett (Madga & André’s daughter) used throughout this episode. ABOUT REV. DR. PROF. DAVID P. GUSHEE David P. Gushee earned his Ph.D. in Christian ethics from Union Theological Seminary (NY). Now in his fourth decade of teaching, he has served as Distinguished University Professor of Christian Ethics at Mercer University since 2007. He is also Chair of Christian Social Ethics at Vrije Universiteit (Free University) and Senior Research Fellow at its partner school, International Baptist Theological Study Centre. Through these Amsterdam-based institutions he is privileged to supervise Ph.D. students from around the world. Gushee is the elected past-president of the American Academy of Religion and the Society of Christian Ethics. As of 2025 he is the author, co-author, editor, or co-editor of 30 books, including the bestsellers Kingdom Ethics and Changing Our Mind. His other most notable works are Defending Democracy from Its Christian Enemies, After Evangelicalism, and most recently, The Moral Teachings of Jesus. He lectures and consults globally, regularly speaking to the press and on podcasts as well as in academic and ecumenical church settings. He is widely regarded as one of his generation’s most significant Christian moral thinkers. Over a full 30-year career, he’s been a devoted teacher and mentor as Professor Gushee to college students, seminarians, and PhD students. He’s also led activist efforts on climate, torture, and LGBTQ inclusion, and continues to be a keynote speaker at churches, forums, and universities. David's Website | David's Books FOLLOW US * ⁠@goodonwood.podcast⁠ * @ststephensuniversity⁠ * ⁠@jfi_ssu⁠ * ⁠@steveschallert⁠ * ⁠@jarrodmckenna⁠ To learn more about St Stephen’s University and all of our program offerings in Theology & Culture, Peace & Justice, or Reconciliation Studies visit us at - ssu.c This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit goodonwoodpodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 13m
  2. Sr. Margaret Mckenna: New Jerusalem Now! w. Shane Claiborne

    May 18

    Sr. Margaret Mckenna: New Jerusalem Now! w. Shane Claiborne

    In today’s episode of Good on Wood, we are joined by our dear comrade, Shane Claiborne, and delve into the remarkable journey of Sister Margaret McKenna, whose life was a beacon of hope and transformation in the streets of Philadelphia and beyond. Sr. Margaret passed away a few weeks ago on April 22, 2026. She was a Medical Mission Sister Margaret who founded New Jerusalem Now! in 1989, an addiction recovery community and program which is still running. She held a PhD in Scripture and Christian Origins, taught religion at LaSalle College, was an ardent anti-war active who joined dozens of nonviolent protests leading to arrests, including a Plowshares action which landed her in prison. Sr. Margaret integrated her yearning to live as a hermit with her love for community, sharing her compassion generously, especially with those living on the margins. ¡PRESENTE! ABOUT SHANE CLAIBORNE Shane Claiborne is a prominent speaker, activist, and best-selling author. Shane worked with Mother Teresa in Calcutta, and founded The Simple Way in Philadelphia. He heads up Red Letter Christians, a movement of folks who are committed to living "as if Jesus meant the things he said." Shane is a champion for grace which has led him to jail advocating for the homeless, and to places like Iraq and Afghanistan to stand against war. Now grace fuels his passion to end the death penalty and help stop gun violence. A word from Shane just after McKenna’s passing - “Sr. Margaret McKenna died this week. She’s one of the holiest, and most humbly human, people I’ve ever met. I’m gonna miss her, but I know there’s a party on the other side welcoming her home. Few people have had more impact on my spiritual life than Sr. Margaret. For three decades, she has been one of my dearest friends and mentors. She taught me about prayer, monasticism, community, holy mischief, resistance, courage. We prayed together, and got pepper-sprayed together. We gardened together. We laughed together until we wheezed, and our sides hurt. She blew the shofar on Wall Street as we dumped $10,000 outside the Stock Exchange so homeless folks could have a little taste of the biblical Jubilee. We sang freedom songs, marched in the rain, camped out under the stars… and we went to jail together more times than I can count – doing the good trouble and holy mischief. At one point we were both sentenced to mandatory, court-sanctioned “citizenship training classes” to train us to obey the law… but it didn’t work. Haha. Several years ago, I went to visit her when she was in the hospital, and we weren’t sure she was going to make it… I called a few days later to check on her and one of the nuns said: “She recovered surprisingly well… so well she just went to jail at the Pentagon protesting the war.” Sr. Margaret is a true gift to the world – to me, to all of us at The Simple Way, to the countless folks she welcomed home off the streets or coming out of prison at New Jerusalem. I will miss her something fierce.” [Here’s a picture of us in the abandoned church where we met, as homeless families sought sanctuary inside… and where our vision for The Simple Way was born. This was a few years ago as we remembered the original takeover of St. Edwards church back in 1995.] FOLLOW US * ⁠@goodonwood.podcast⁠ * @ststephensuniversity⁠ * ⁠@jfi_ssu⁠ * ⁠@steveschallert⁠ * ⁠@jarrodmckenna⁠ To learn more about St Stephen’s University and all of our program offerings in Theology & Culture, Peace & Justice, or Reconciliation Studies visit us at - ssu.ca Join the Good on Wood Podcast today and help us continue to tell the stories of holy mischief makers. Season 1 of The Schism Between Us is releasing June, 2026, follow Marnie Klassen, as she set out to discover why Mennonites and Mennonite Brethren in Canada don’t always get along . . . This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit goodonwoodpodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    50 min
  3. Rev Dr Jeremiah Wright Jr: Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian w. Dr Obery Hendricks

    Apr 28

    Rev Dr Jeremiah Wright Jr: Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian w. Dr Obery Hendricks

    In today’s episode of Good on Wood, we are joined by the one and only Dr. Obery Hendricks to explore the profound life and enduring legacy of Trinity UCC’s Pastor Emeritus, Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr. A towering figure in black theology, pastoral ministry, rooted in faith, justice, and community service … we consider together Wright’s brilliance as an orator and exegete of the scriptures, social activism, afrocentrism and deep love for his community. We also delve into his relationship with Barack Obama, the violence he endured amid the 2008 presidential campaign and the cruciform costs of prophetic ministry. ABOUT DR OBERY HENDRICK, JR. A lifelong social activist, Dr. Obery Hendricks is one of the foremost commentators on the intersection of religion and political economy in America. He is the most widely read and perhaps the most influential African American biblical scholar writing today. Cornel West calls him “one of the last few grand prophetic intellectuals.” A widely sought lecturer and media spokesperson, Dr. Hendricks’ appearances include CNN, MSNBC, CBS, Fox News, Fox Business News, the Discovery Channel, PBS, BBC, NHK Japan Television and the Bloomberg Network. He has provided running event commentary for National Public Radio, MSNBC, and the al-Jazeera and Aspire international television networks. He is a Distinguished Senior Fellow at The Democracy Collaborative in Washington, DC; has been an Affiliated Scholar at the Center for American Progress; was a Senior Fellow at The Opportunity Agenda social justice communications think tank; is on the Advisory Board of the Institute of Christian Socialism; and is a member of the Board of Directors of the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI). Dr. Hendricks has been a frequent contributor to the Huffington Post and Salon.com, a former editorial advisor to the award-winning Tikkun magazine, and a contributing editor to The Encyclopedia of Politics and Religion. The Dictionary of Biblical Interpretation has called his work “the boldest post-colonial writing ever seen in Western biblical studies.” Dr. Hendricks’ bestselling book, The Politics of Jesus: Rediscovering the True Revolutionary Nature of Jesus’ Teachings and How They Have Been Corrupted (Doubleday, 2006), was declared “essential reading for Americans” by the Washington Post. Social commentator Michael Eric Dyson proclaimed it “an instant classic” that “immediately thrusts Hendricks into the front ranks of American religious thinkers.” Obery’s Website | Obery’s Books FOLLOW US * ⁠@goodonwood.podcast⁠ * @ststephensuniversity⁠ * ⁠@jfi_ssu⁠ * ⁠@steveschallert⁠ * ⁠@jarrodmckenna⁠ To learn more about St Stephen’s University and all of our program offerings in Theology & Culture, Peace & Justice, or Reconciliation Studies visit us at - ssu.ca This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit goodonwoodpodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 5m
  4. Rev James Lawson: Still Going On w. Emily Yellin

    Mar 31

    Rev James Lawson: Still Going On w. Emily Yellin

    In this inspiring interview, Emily Yellin, acclaimed journalist and life long friend, shares her profound journey of documenting Rev James Lawson’s life, his unwavering commitment to nonviolence, and the power of love in the struggle for justice. Rev Lawson, whom Dr Martin Luther King Jr described as "the leading theorist and strategist of nonviolence in the world" was in many ways the architect of the American Freedom Movement. For over 50 years Rev Lawson resisted, agitated and loved his way through the darkness of American racism, imperialism and state violence, paving the way for thousands to follow in his footsteps. As we explore Emily Yellin’s profound new book, “Nonviolence: A Memoir of Resistance, Agitation, and Love” which she co-authored with Lawson in the year’s before his passing in 2024, we traverse Lawson’s story, spirituality, philosophy of nonviolence, and enduring influence on social justice practitioners and movements today. ABOUT EMILY YELLIN Emily Yellin is a journalist, writer, and producer. A longtime contributor to The New York Times and author of two other books, she produced a ten-part video series, 1,300 Men: Memphis Strike ‘68, for The Root. She first met Rev. Lawson when she was five, while attending elementary school in Memphis with his eldest son, John. ABOUT THE BOOK - NONVIOLENT: A MEMOIR OF RESISTANCE, AGITATION AND LOVE. “This book is a gift to be treasured, from a man who has already given so much.” Jonathan Eig (Pulitzer Prize–winning author of King: A Life) “An expansive, inspiring autobiography by a crucial figure in the Civil Rights Movement.” ​Kirkus Starred Review “Engrossing...a soul-stirring testament to the transformative power of leading with love” Publishers Weekly Starred Review Rev. Lawson was one of the most influential yet unheralded heroes of the civil rights era. He rose as a strategist, teacher, and organizer in pivotal campaigns on the national stage against racial and economic injustice. Lawson’s memoir spans 95 years, but it begins far from the spotlight in a large, working-class Ohio family. The son and grandson of Methodist ministers, he receives his license to preach before graduating from high school. Lawson goes on to serve time in prison for refusing the Korean War draft, and learns from independence movements during three years in India and Africa. He then fortifies the principles of a new American Revolution when he teaches nonviolent direct action centered in love and moral clarity to the Little Rock Nine, the Mississippi Freedom Summer volunteers, and countless others. He also becomes a leader in the 1960 Nashville sit-ins, the 1963 Birmingham campaign, the 1966 Meredith March Against Fear, and the 1968 Memphis sanitation workers’ strike. Nonviolent delivers an intimate self-portrait of Lawson as a man who recognized the inherent dignity of everyone, and challenged all forms of violence, including police brutality, enforced poverty, and what he called plantation capitalism. It shows his quest for justice continuing in Los Angeles well into the 21st century, as he helped foster a more inclusive labor movement and an enduring immigrant rights movement. Nonviolent is a riveting historical narrative from a central figure in global liberation and a testament to compelling a nation to live up to its founding ideals of liberty and justice for all. Buy the book! FOLLOW US * ⁠@goodonwood.podcast⁠ * @ststephensuniversity⁠ * ⁠@jfi_ssu⁠ * ⁠@steveschallert⁠ * ⁠@jarrodmckenna⁠ To learn more about St Stephen’s University and all of our program offerings in Theology & Culture, Peace & Justice, or Reconciliation Studies visit us at - ssu.ca The Good on Wood Podcast is a production of St Stephen’s University & The Jim Forest Institute for Religion, Peace & Justice. Subscribe today for exclusive content. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit goodonwoodpodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 32m
  5. Dorothy Day: The Long Loneliness w. Martha & Kate Hennessy

    Mar 9

    Dorothy Day: The Long Loneliness w. Martha & Kate Hennessy

    In today’s episode of Good on Wood we speak with Martha & Kate Hennessy about their grandmother, Dorothy Day. Join us in this rich conversation as we delve into Dorothy’s life and witness, her spiritual evolution, the birth of the Catholic Worker Movement and her lasting impact upon the world. This episode explores her unwavering commitment to nonviolence, hospitality, and radical love, inspiring a new generation to live the works of mercy against the works of war. “We have all known the long loneliness and we have learned that the only solution is love and that love comes with community.” - Dorothy Day ABOUT MARTHA HENNESSY Martha Hennessy, seventh grandchild of Dorothy Day divides her time between the family farm in Vermont and practicing the works of mercy at Maryhouse Catholic Worker in New York City. She is 70, a retired occupational therapist, and grandmother of nine. She has been imprisoned protesting war and nuclear power/weapons, the use of drones, and the torture of prisoners in Guantanamo and US prisons. She has traveled to Russia, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Korea, and Palestine to understand the impact of United States foreign military policy and the effects on countries and families around the world. Martha travels and speaks on the topics of her Catholic faith, her grandmother Dorothy Day’s life, work in community, Catholic Social Teaching, war and peace, nuclear abolition, and peacemaking efforts in the tradition of the Catholic Worker movement. ABOUT KATE HENNESSY Kate Hennessy is a writer and the youngest of Dorothy Day’s nine grandchildren. Her work has been included in Best American Travel Writing. She is the author of Dorothy Day: The World Will Be Saved By Beauty and, in collaboration with the photographer Vivian Cherry, Dorothy Day and the Catholic Worker: The Miracle of our Continuance. Kate divides her time between Ireland and Vermont. RESOURCES * Dorothy Day: Selected Writings * Catholic Worker Movement * Encyclicals on Social Justice * The Dorothy Day Guild * The Long Lullaby by Dorothy Day FOLLOW US * ⁠@goodonwood.podcast⁠ * @ststephensuniversity⁠ * ⁠@jfi_ssu⁠ * ⁠@steveschallert⁠ * ⁠@jarrodmckenna⁠ To learn more about St Stephen’s University and all of our program offerings in Theology & Culture, Peace & Justice, or Reconciliation Studies visit us at - ssu.ca Music for this episode provided by John & David from ⁠The Brilliance⁠ and our own Steve Schallert. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit goodonwoodpodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 1m
  6. Adam Curle: To Tame The Hydra w. Dr Laurens van Esch

    Feb 18

    Adam Curle: To Tame The Hydra w. Dr Laurens van Esch

    In today’s episode of Good on Wood we speak with Dr Laurens van Esch, the Assistant Professor of Political Philosophy and Associate Coordinator of Reconciliation Studies at St Stephen’s University, about the radical life and profound contributions of Adam Curle, a significant figure in peace studies and Quakerism. Together we explore Curle’s influence of naming power dynamics in conflict, the integration of spirituality in activism, and the importance of awareness in peacemaking. Adam Curle’s legacy and relevance in today’s complex social landscape and his emphasis of the interconnectedness of all beings and the need to cultivate silence and internal reflection in modern activism is needed more than ever today. ABOUT DR LAURENS VAN ESCH Laurens van Esch received a Bachelor’s degree in History (2006) and Master’s degrees in History (2007) and in Philosophy (2011) from Utrecht University. In 2023, he completed his PhD in Philosophy, also at Utrecht University. In 2015, he started teaching at St. Stephen’s University, where he currently serves as Assistant Professor of Political Philosophy as well as Associate Coordinator of Reconciliation Studies. Laurens’ research and teaching interests straddle the boundary between the disciplines of cultural history and political philosophy. He loves to reflect on how the study of the past relates to the pursuit of justice in the present, and is particularly interested in the power of story, religion, and commemorative practices within emancipatory social movements. Out of the classroom, Laurens has participated in various forms of Indigenous solidarity efforts, mainly through and in partnership with Community Peacemaker Teams, Mennonite Church Canada and the German Mennonite Peace Committee. This included advocacy work in support of the Grassy Narrows First Nation (2012-2013), a 500 km ‘Honour Walk’ to honour the survivors of Residential Schools (2014), a short stint at Standing Rock (2016) and a 600 km ‘Pilgrimage for Indigenous Rights’ to Ottawa (2017). FOLLOW US ⁠@goodonwood.podcast⁠ @ststephensuniversity⁠ ⁠@jfi_ssu⁠ ⁠@steveschallert⁠ ⁠@jarrodmckenna⁠ To learn more about St Stephen’s University and all of our program offerings in Theology & Culture, Peace & Justice, or Reconciliation Studies visit us at - ssu.ca Music for this episode provided by John & David from ⁠The Brilliance⁠ and our own Steve Schallert. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit goodonwoodpodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    58 min
  7. Elizabeth McAlister: 7 Minutes to Midnight w. Frida Berrigan, Clare Grady & Jackie Allen

    11/18/2025

    Elizabeth McAlister: 7 Minutes to Midnight w. Frida Berrigan, Clare Grady & Jackie Allen

    In today’s episode of Good on Wood we speak with Frida Berrigan, Clare Grady & Jackie Allen about the profound impact of Elizabeth McAlister's life, teachings and half a century of activism. Together we reflect on personal stories, letters exchanged, and the significance of Liz's activism within the Catholic Worker Movement and the Plowshares Movement. They discuss her early life, the challenges she faced, and the importance of community and spirituality in her resistance to the Vietnam War and Nuclear Weapons. The dialogue emphasizes the interconnectedness of personal experiences and political activism, highlighting Liz's legacy as a symbol of light and hope for the world.  About Frida Berrigan  Frida Berrigan lives in New London, CT with her husband and three kids. She is an urban farmer and community activist, organizing around affordable home ownership with the Southeastern Connecticut Community Land Trust, and against the ever stretching shadow of militarism with the Connecticut Committee on Nuclear Prohibition. She serves on the board of Kirkridge Retreat and Study Center in PA and organizes locally with the People’s Budget Coalition. She writes periodically for WagingNonviolence, TomDispatch.Com and In These Times, and is the author of the 2015 book “It Runs In The Family: On Being Raised By Radicals And Growing Into Rebellious Motherhood” (OR Books). Last year, she authored Our Fast Matters, a booklet of 40 Lenten reflections for Pax Christi USA.  About Clare Grady  Clare Grady is an American peace activist and a member of the Catholic Worker and the Plowshares movements. She advocated against use of cruise missiles for first-strike capability in the 1983 Griffiss Plowshares action. In 2003, she and three others made up The Saint Patrick's Day Four, who conducted a protest action at a military recruiting centre in Lansing, New York against the impending Iraq War. She participated in the Kings Bay Plowshares action on April 4, 2018, which resulted in a conviction and sentence of one year and a day. A mother and grandmother, Clare spent two decades working at Loaves & Fishes, an Ithaca-based kitchen which provides free meals, hospitality, companionship and advocates for those in need.  About Jackie Allen Jackie Allen Doucot is a life long Plowshares activist, artist, Water Protector, Catholic Worker, Spiritual Companion and a member of the Atlantic Life Community. She can be reached at - hartfordcatholicworker.org RESOURCES: The Berrigan - McAlister Archives (DePaul University) Nuclear Weapons Ruined My Life by. Frida Berrigan  Frida’s Book - “It Runs in the Family” Hit & Stay Documentary FOLLOW US @goodonwood.podcast @ststephensuniversity @jfi_ssu @steveschallert @jarrodmckenna To learn more about St Stephen's University and all of our program offerings in Theology & Culture, Peace & Justice, or Reconciliation Studies visit us at - ssu.ca Music for this episode provided by John & David from The Brilliance,  and our own Steve Schallert This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit goodonwoodpodcast.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 27m
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“If you are going to follow Jesus, you better look good on wood.” - Daniel Berrigan SJ The Good on Wood podcast explores the lives of dangerous disciples, holy mischief makers, contemplative activists, and ordinary radicals in hopes that their witness would inspire a new generation of Jesus followers to get up, get out, and get into some "good trouble." A production of St Stephens University & The Jim Forest Institute of Religion, Peace & Justice goodonwoodpodcast.substack.com

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