Bad Mothers Podcast

Monica Cardenas

Bad Mothers focuses on mother-daughter estrangement from the daughter's point of view, and whether these fractured relationships play a role in our decision to have children of our own. We'll also have a healthy dose of talk about abortion rights & maternal ambivalence. monicacardenas.substack.com

  1. 12/08/2025

    The most moving things I heard from nine different women talking about motherhood

    Bad Mothers began as an outlet for me to write about how women can subvert their assigned scripts, particularly around motherhood. I advocate for abortion rights, reproductive justice, the right to be a “working” mom or a stay at home mom without judgement, and especially the right to not be a mom at all. When I shared an essay about how I became estranged from my mother nearly twenty years ago, I heard from many women who had a similar conflict in their lives, and I realized that in addition to the facetious “bad mother” title of my Substack, there is also room to talk about actual bad mothers — mothers who persistently let their own emotions and desires override those of their daughters. To be clear, I often argue for all women, including mothers, to be able to do just that. But in my opinion, estrangement most often occurs when the mother is simply unable to prioritize her daughter’s needs even when her daughter is asking for it directly and desperately. So, the meaning of Bad Mothers expanded, and the podcast allowed me to interview more women who had fraught or non-existent relationships with their own mothers to ask about how things fell apart, how they feel now, and whether they wanted kids of their own in the wake of that breakdown. This season, I was happy to expand the scope slightly to talk to more women who write about motherhood in a way I found compelling and hopeful. Kate Muir and Melissa Fraterrigo are what I would consider “good” mothers in that they told me about how they try to be there for their kids in the way their kids need them to be. For Kate, it was how she managed a divorce she needed in a way that prioritized her children’s emotions. Melissa nearly brought me to tears when she talked about being an imperfect mother but always being willing to apologize and own up to her fallibility: I think both these women are teaching their daughters incredibly important things about life and being a woman. And speaking of moms who are trying — how about stepmoms! My step-mom of 25 years, Julie, and I put it all out there in Episode 3, where she talked about how difficult it was — and sometimes still is — finding her role with me. Of course I still spoke to women who know a lot about estrangement, including Dr. Bridgette Petit, Tam Stevens and Megan Margherio. Bridgette explained how she advises patients who are struggling with family relationships, and I especially enjoyed that her advice is focused on you. Tam explained some of the reasons she sees estrangement occur. While politics might not be the reason, it can serve as a breaking point. (This is something Maggie Frank-Hsu covered in a recent guest essay from Ashley Scoby on Estranged). Megan shared the moment she realized she could mourn the idea of a mother she never had and still walk away from a mother who hurt her. I spoke to Gayle Kirschenbaum, who fascinated me with her ability to simply ignore all the ways her mother hurt her in favor of having a relationship. I wish it was possible for all of us to do this, but sadly I don’t think it works in every case. Still, Gayle is a shining example of extreme persistence, and after decades, she managed to achieve some agreed understanding with her mother. Finally, I had to feed my interest in — forgive me for using the term — dog moms. I don’t refer to myself as a dog mom, mainly because I wouldn’t want anyone to think that I believe caring for a dog is like being a mother. But I have learned through my own experience this year with a puppy, and interviews with other women, that it can be similarly trying in particular ways. And for me, it’s a way to achieve some level of ‘maternal’ love and affection without taking on what I consider to be the overwhelming burden and responsibility of motherhood. I talked to Keltie Maguire, the Kids or Childfree coach, about what dogs might teach us about how much autonomy we are willing to sacrifice. I was also so happy to talk to Katie Dunn, who writes about her decision to walk away from IVF and find joy in other ways of living, including with her dog. Well, I can’t think of a better way to wrap up this season than with that sentiment: dogs are awesome. Who can argue with that, really? I hope you enjoyed this season and I’d love your feedback. Please share in the comments or email me at monicacardenas@substack.com. The podcast will be back in the spring. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit monicacardenas.substack.com

    13 min
  2. 11/17/2025

    S2, Ep. 7: Katie Dunn on a happy life after infertility

    If you’re a regular listener or reader of Bad Mothers, you know I adopted a puppy this year and it has been A LOT. I think it’s been a lot for me especially as an adamantly child-free woman. Because Annie demands all of my attention. It made me want to talk to other women who have made really thoughtful choices about whether to have children, and how pets fit into those choices. As soon as I found Katie’s Substack, I knew she’d make a great guest on this subject — and not just because she too has a “high energy” border collie. But more than talking about life with a dog, Katie offers a special perspective on the expected touchstones of life as a woman. Katie Dunn writes Afterglow, a space dedicated to the other happy endings - the ones that don’t end with a marriage, two kids and a white picket fence - but are still full of joy, purpose, and meaning. After navigating divorce and two infertility chapters in her 30s, Katie shares essays that challenge the narrow scripts of womanhood and the silence around fertility treatment that doesn’t “work.” Through honest storytelling, Katie explores what it means to step off the patriarchal escalator of life and create fulfilment, adventure and connection on your own terms. I hope you enjoy this conversation! Please be aware we do discuss infertility. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit monicacardenas.substack.com

    45 min
  3. 11/10/2025

    S2, Ep. 6: Gayle Kirschenbaum on maternal forgiveness

    My guest this week is Gayle Kirschenbaum. She is a filmmaker, writer, photographer and coach who recently released a memoir called Bullied to Besties, about how she healed her relationship with her mother. Her documentary, LOOK AT US NOW, MOTHER! is about the same journey. You can find her on Substack here. I wasn’t sure Gayle would be the right fit for Bad Mothers, in spite of all evidence that her mother was abusive toward her and their relationship was extremely fraught for most of her life. I hesitated because Gayle is focused on the healing part of her story. She and her mother are now very close. Unfortunately I don’t believe this is possible for many of us who are estranged from our mothers, and I didn’t want anyone who had to choose estrangement to feel they have failed in some way. You have not failed. Gayle told me that forgiveness doesn’t have to mean reconciliation, but forgiveness is what she needed to let go of anger and resentment and live a happier life. I believe this is an important step for all of us, but it may never lead to reconciliation. Gayle and I seem to disagree on some of the fundamental responsibilities of parents and their children: I am not convinced it is my job to reframe instead of her job to acknowledge. In spite of her persistence, I still don’t believe it’s the best path forward for many of us with mothers whose self-awareness is nonexistent. But I’m curious to know how you feel — please share in the comments, or send me a message at monicacardenas@substack.com. Gayle’s memoir is available at all major bookstores, and on Bookshop.org. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit monicacardenas.substack.com

    42 min
  4. 11/03/2025

    S2, Ep. 5: Kate Muir on How to Have a Magnificent Midlife Crisis

    Kate Muir is a women’s health expert, investigative journalist and documentary maker. She created and produced two ground-breaking Channel 4 documentaries on menopause that ignited a massive conversation among women in the UK. Her latest book is How to Have a Magnificent Midlife Crisis, and I met her when she visited my local bookshop. I was intrigued by the content of her book, of course, but the thing that made me want to invite her on the podcast was an offhand remark she made, about how she’d been a bad mother for wanting a divorce. Part of having a magnificent midlife crisis has to do with asserting our own needs and desires as women in midlife. And I think there are a lot of similarities between this idea, and allowing women, without judgement, to decide to be childfree or to go no- or low-contact with a parent if that is the best thing for them. These problems are not necessarily related, but the related cultural norms have historically forced women to put up with things that make them unhappy or worse. I hope you enjoy this conversation with Kate about what makes a good mother, what made her feel like a bad mother, and how she’s come through it all. In this conversation, Kate discusses her research on the benefits of using hormone replacement therapy, and shares her experiences of motherhood from the early days to adulthood. The resources discussed follow: Dr. Mary Claire Haver Dr. Louise Newson Anne Lamott, Operating Instructions: A Journal of My Son’s First Year Louise Erdrich, The Blue Jay’s Dance: A Memoir of Early Motherhood Anne Tyler, Ladder of Years This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit monicacardenas.substack.com

    48 min

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Bad Mothers focuses on mother-daughter estrangement from the daughter's point of view, and whether these fractured relationships play a role in our decision to have children of our own. We'll also have a healthy dose of talk about abortion rights & maternal ambivalence. monicacardenas.substack.com