Inside The 90™

Jami Mullikin and Andrew Gissal
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The Practical, Deep-Dive Entrepreneurial Operating Systems (EOS) Podcast for Implementers, Integrators, Leadership Teams and Anyone Running on EOS or Interested in EOS. Hosted by Andrew Gissal and Jami Mullikin.

  1. 19h ago

    EP.45 - John Sterling's Lessons on Building Greenville's First $1B Tech Unicorn

    In this episode of Inside the 90, Jami reconnects with longtime friend John Sterling, a sales leader and entrepreneur who helped build Data Stream from a small maintenance software company into a $100 million business before it was acquired. John shares the origin story, including a pivotal one-day consult from marketing legend Al Ries and the discovery of hiring by "avatar" using the Kolbe A Index. The conversation moves into John's current ventures, acquiring aging industrial software companies, coaching sales teams across industries, and experimenting with AI, including a talking avatar of himself and a growing fleet of AI agents running parts of his businesses. The episode closes with reflections on three major tech waves John has lived through: personal computers, the internet, and now agentic AI. Key Topics - The origin story of Data Stream, from a four-person company to a $100 million exit. - How a one-day consult with marketing strategist Al Ries reshaped the company's growth strategy. - Hiring by avatar using the Kolbe A Index to find repeatable sales talent. - Lessons on niching down and staying in a market for the long haul. - The whopper clause and structuring sales commission plans without caps. - How sales management and accountability have changed with remote and hybrid work. - Acquiring aging industrial software companies in the so-called silver tsunami. - Building an AI talking avatar and a fleet of AI agents across multiple companies. - Reflections on three major tech shifts, personal computers, the internet, and agentic AI. Chapters 0:00 - Welcome and reconnecting with John Sterling. 1:00 - Origin story of Data Stream and joining Larry Blackwell's company. 4:00 - Al Ries's one-day consult and the strategy to claim market leadership. 6:00 - Growing from five million to one hundred million and the eventual sale. 7:30 - Discovering hiring by avatar with Bill Lee and the Kolbe A Index. 10:30 - Reconnecting with Jim Wanner and the KeyMark success story. 12:30 - Core lessons, being present, niching down, and the whopper clause. 16:30 - Current ventures, acquiring aging industrial software companies. 19:30 - Sales coaching philosophy and structuring comp plans. 22:00 - How sales management and accountability have evolved over time. 25:00 - Coaching clients across industries, including Myrtle Beach Golf Vacations. 27:30 - Building the AI Sales Professor talking avatar. 30:30 - Deploying AI agents across companies for marketing, finance, and M&A. 33:30 - Reflections on personal computers, the internet, and the agentic AI era. 36:00 - Where to find John Sterling and closing thoughts. Mentions & Credits Wonder - https://www.workwithwonder.com EOS Worldwide - https://www.eosworldwide.com Data Stream Systems - https://www.infor.com/ Larry Blackwell - https://upstatebusinessjournal.com/tech-innovation/clemson-honors-software-entrepreneur/ Al Ries - https://www.alries.com/ Kolbe - https://www.kolbe.com/ KeyMark - https://www.keymarkinc.com/ Jim Wanner - https://www.keymarkinc.com/profile/jim-wanner/ Sterling Sales - https://sterlingsales.co Noob School podcast and Sales for Noobs book - https://www.schoolfornoobs.com/ ElevenLabs - https://elevenlabs.io/ Jason Lemkin - https://www.saastr.com/ Nolan Bushnell - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Bushnell

  2. Jul 16

    EP.44 - Five Myths About EOS Debunked by Inside the 90

    In this episode of Inside the 90, hosts Jami and Andrew tackle five common myths about the Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS). They debunk the idea that EOS is a passing fad, unpacking growth stats and a third-party study showing EOS companies outgrow non-EOS peers. They also address the perception that EOS is too rigid, explaining how its structure actually creates freedom rather than bureaucracy. Jami shares his own experience being introduced to EOS as an integrator, and the two discuss why rollout fears fade once teams experience the tools firsthand. They close by clarifying that EOS does not replace good leadership or run on autopilot, and that it can work for any organization with people, regardless of industry. Key Topics - Whether EOS is just a passing business fad, backed by adoption stats and a third-party growth study. - The difference between healthy structure and bureaucratic rigidity within EOS. - Why EOS tools create freedom and creativity rather than restricting teams. - The fear that EOS rollout is something done to employees rather than with them. - Jami's personal story of being introduced to EOS as an integrator. - Why EOS is "caught, not taught" as it spreads through an organization. - The myth that EOS replaces good leadership rather than requiring it. - The misconception that EOS runs itself once implemented. - Which industries and company sizes EOS actually works for. Chapters 0:00 - Welcome and introduction to the five EOS myths. 1:00 - Myth one, EOS is a fad, covered with adoption numbers and a third-party growth study. 3:30 - Myth two, EOS is rigid, and the soccer field analogy for structure versus bureaucracy. 6:30 - Myth three, EOS is imposed on employees, and Jami's story of being introduced to EOS. 9:30 - Myth four, EOS replaces leadership, and why the tools depend on good leaders. 10:30 - Bonus myth, EOS runs itself, and why ongoing effort is still required. 11:30 - Myth five, EOS is not for my type of company, with a rundown of industries it serves. 13:30 - Closing thoughts and wrap-up. Mentions & Credits Wonder - https://www.workwithwonder.com EOS Worldwide - https://www.eosworldwide.com Gino Wickman - https://www.ginowickman.com/ Traction Book - https://www.eosworldwide.com/traction-book Get A Grip - https://www.eosworldwide.com/get-a-grip-book Mark O'Donnell - https://implementer.eosworldwide.com/mark-odonnell/ Mint Mobile - https://open.spotify.com/show/042nIYeeIavPPVfwOvTvZt

  3. Jul 9

    Live from the Wonder Wagon with Mike Gruley: Inside the Life of an EOS Implementer

    Two EOS implementers, one Wonder Wagon, and a conversation that feels less like a podcast and more like two old friends reminding each other why the work matters. Mike Gruley of 1 Vision Advisors joins Andrew Geisel in the Wonder Wagon on the streets of Kansas City for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about the life of an EOS implementer. They cover Mike's 33-year career before EOS, what made Traction feel like it was written specifically about him, what separates great implementation from checkbox compliance, and why the single most powerful question you can ask in any session room is also the simplest. They also get into something more personal: how two driven people are both learning to slow down, schedule at 85% capacity, and let their integrators tell them no. Key Topics - Mike's 33-year entrepreneurial career — from successes to train wrecks — and how frustration led him to Traction. - Why Mike feels like he was the "poster child" for EOS before he ever became an implementer. - Andrew shadowing Mike's early sessions and what it taught him about what not to do. - What draws both of them to the session room: the push and pull, the truth-telling, and the moments when clarity finally breaks through. - Why facilitators don't participate — and how self-implementing costs you access to your own truth. - The most powerful question in the room: "What do you want?" - Why an implementer who doesn't tell you the truth is committing fraud. - Getting back to basics: both Andrew and Mike stripping away distractions and simplifying their lives and their practice. - The 85% rule: scheduling to 85% capacity so 100% doesn't become 110 — and why it matters for driven people. - Ruthlessly eliminating hurry — and how Mike's integrator Kim manages his calendar better than he ever could. - Every yes is a no to something else, and how to make peace with that. Key Chapters 0:00 - Welcome to the Wonder Wagon: a van, the streets of Kansas City, and two implementers. 1:30 - How Andrew got his start by shadowing Mike's sessions — and why Mike still has PTSD from it. 3:00 - Mike's origin story: 33 years in business, the book that felt written about him, and Preston True as his first implementer. 6:00 - Why they do it: unique ability, energy, and the feeling of walking out of a session room on fire. 8:30 - What great implementation actually looks like: rolling up sleeves, asking hard questions, solving real issues. 11:00 - Self-implementing vs. working with an implementer — and the truth-telling that's lost when you try to do both. 14:00 - "What do you want?" — and why peeling the onion always gets there eventually. 17:00 - Getting back to basics: Andrew and Mike both simplifying everything in their lives right now. 20:00 - The 85% rule: Stacy's stress management approach and what scheduling at capacity really costs you. 23:30 - Mike's integrator Kim, Krabby Mike, and the art of letting someone else protect your calendar. 27:00 - FOMO, driven people, and why every yes is a no to something else — including a podcast in a van. 30:00 - What's next: grandbabies in Chicago, Kim sitting in on a session, and ruthlessly eliminating hurry. 33:00 - How to reach Mike: cell phone, 248-761-4401. Mentions & Credits Mike Gruley - https://1visionadvisors.com Traction Book - https://www.eosworldwide.com/traction-book Gino Wickman - https://www.ginowickman.com ENRG Greater Ann Arbor Chapter - https://thesecondgeargroup.com Vistage Michigan - https://www.vistage.com Wonder - https://workwithwonder.com EOS Worldwide - https://www.eosworldwide.com

  4. Jul 9

    Live from the Wonder Wagon with Larry Garcia: Building Better EOS Teams with Strety

    Larry Garcia, co-founder of Strety, drops into the Wonder Wagon for a conversation that traces the full arc of how an internal tool built inside a Miami MSP software company became one of the most loved EOS platforms on the market. Larry and Andrew connect the dots on how BrightGauge's EOS journey in 2015 planted the seed for Strety, why the MSP world was the perfect early proving ground, and how the company has grown from a few hundred users to 3,000+ companies in under a year — all while staying calm about it. They also dig into AI, the spirit of abundance that drives both the MSP and EOS communities, and what Strety is building next. Key Topics - How BrightGauge started running on EOS in 2015 after receiving Traction at a conference, and how that planted the seed for Strety. - The origin of Strety as an internal tool that looked like Microsoft DOS — and why the code never got sold when BrightGauge was acquired in 2019. - Why the MSP industry was the natural first market for Strety: technical culture, scorecard affinity, and a give-first peer group mentality. - Growing from high triple digits to 3,000+ companies in a single year — calmly, on EOS. - The ideal Strety customer: 40-100 users, established businesses that value beautifully built software and deep integrations. - How Strety expanded beyond its Microsoft-only roots to support Google and other platforms. - The AI note taker inside L10 meetings: tracking to-dos, flagging missed items, and keeping the integrator from drowning in notes. - Every team member at Strety has an AI-based rock — what that looks like in practice. - The three-year picture: more integrations, tasteful AI, and helping more companies grow calmly on EOS. - The cooperative, abundance-minded culture of the MSP world and how it mirrors the EOS community. Key Chapters 0:00 - Welcome to the Wonder Wagon: Larry Garcia and the origin story of Strety. 2:00 - BrightGauge, the MSP world, and how a Traction book from Nick Oleroon in 2015 changed everything. 4:30 - Building the first internal EOS tool: a Microsoft DOS-looking screen and rolling issues forward. 7:00 - BrightGauge sells in 2019 — and the Strety codebase stays with the founders. 9:00 - Why the MSP community is the perfect early market: technical DNA, peer groups, and the give-first mentality. 13:00 - How the Dosal brothers and Larry reconnected over wine and decided to rebuild the vision. 15:30 - Growth from triple digits to 3,000+ companies — and what "growing calmly on EOS" actually looks like. 18:00 - The ideal Strety customer and what sets the platform apart as artisan-built software. 20:30 - Microsoft roots and expanding to Google and beyond. 22:00 - AI in the L10: the note taker that helps integrators stop drowning in their own meeting. 25:00 - AI rocks for every team member and how Strety is approaching AI thoughtfully. 27:30 - The three-year picture and where to find Strety. Mentions & Credits Larry Garcia - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lgarcia314/ Strety - https://strety.com BrightGauge Software - https://brightgauge.com Shea Hauser / Green Cloud Technology - https://greencloud.tech IT Nation / ConnectWise - https://www.connectwise.com/itnation ENRG - https://thesecondgeargroup.com Traction Book - https://www.eosworldwide.com/traction-book Wonder - https://workwithwonder.com EOS Worldwide - https://www.eosworldwide.com

  5. Jul 9

    Live from the Wonder Wagon with Forrest Derr: How Visionaries & Integrators Scale Companies Together

    Forrest Derr, fractional integrator, founder of ENRG, and an Inside the 90 OG, joins Jami and Andrew in the Wonder Wagon for his eighth EOS US Conference. It's a wide-ranging conversation that covers his full arc — from being a full-time integrator at a telecom company who first read Traction when his visionary literally threw it across his desk, to founding a grassroots EOS community out of a coffee shop in Fairhope, Alabama that has now grown to over 85 chapters and officially taken over the EOS Conference. Forrest also breaks down what fractional integration actually looks like in practice, why so many visionaries go through integrator after integrator, the concept of the "closet integrator," and the story behind the tattoo on his arm that is quite literally an integrator circuit. One of the most layered conversations to come out of the Wonder Wagon. Key Topics - Forrest's origin story: from full-time integrator at a telecom company to fractional integrator and community builder. - Why visionaries burn through integrators — and how fractional integration breaks that cycle by teaching the mechanism before the relationship. - The founding of ENRG: from a no-show coffee meeting in Fairhope to 85+ chapters nationwide. - How Kyle Mealy and Second Gear Group became the rocket fuel that took ENRG from 5 chapters to running the EOS Conference. - What fractional integration really looks like: 3 clients, Monday through Wednesday, 6 to 9 month engagements. - The "closet integrator" concept — and why finding and freeing them is part of Forrest's mission. - The invitation-only integrator mastermind: 10 integrators, once a month, a safe space to talk about what visionaries can't hear. - The integrator circuit tattoo: a visionary light bulb, resistance for right people/right seats, Pi for process, and an equity curve — all drawn by an artist who refused to do anything boring. - The Fractionator Playbook series and what Forrest is building next. - Why 90-day thinking is the secret to not getting overwhelmed as a fractional entrepreneur. Key Chapters 0:00 - Welcome to the Wonder Wagon: Forrest Derr, conference number eight, and an Inside the 90 OG. 1:30 - From full-time integrator to EOS convert: the day Traction hit his desk — literally. 4:00 - Self-implementation, Gene Moorhead, and the telecom company that needed a system. 6:30 - The origin of ENRG: a no-show coffee meeting that eventually became 11 people and a movement. 10:00 - From Fairhope to Fairhope plus Mobile to 5 chapters to 85+ in three years. 13:00 - The big news: ENRG is now the official caretaker of the EOS Conference. 15:30 - Meeting Kyle Mealy over bourbon and what happened when local chapters met national sponsors. 19:00 - What Forrest's fractional integrator practice actually looks like day to day. 22:00 - Why visionaries go through integrator after integrator — and how fractional integration fixes it. 25:30 - The invitation-only integrator mastermind and the difference between that and ENRG. 28:00 - Closet integrators: finding people trapped in the wrong seat who don't know there's a name for what they are. 31:00 - The integrator circuit tattoo: the full story, the tattoo artist who refused to do boring, and why his dad was mad for three weeks. 36:00 - The Fractionator Playbook series and what's on the horizon. 39:00 - 90-day thinking and where to find Forrest online. Mentions & Credits Forrest K. Derr - https://derrconsulting.com Fractionator Playbooks - https://fractionatorplaybooks.com ENRG - https://thesecondgeargroup.com Fixers & Founders Podcast - Search on major podcast platforms. Traction Book - https://www.eosworldwide.com/traction-book Rocket Fuel Book - https://www.eosworldwide.com/rocket-fuel-book Wonder - https://workwithwonder.com EOS Worldwide - https://www.eosworldwide.com

  6. Jul 9

    Live from the Wonder Wagon with Eric Herrerra: Understanding Kolbe and Your Team's Natural Strengths

    Eric Herrera, VP of Growth and Strategic Alliances at Kolbe Corp, joins Jami and Andrew in the Wonder Wagon at the 2026 EOS Conference for a conversation about what makes Kolbe different from every other assessment most EOS companies are already using. Eric breaks down the three buckets of human strength — cognitive, affective, and conative — and explains why Kolbe is the only one measuring how people actually execute. He shares a real-world example of an implementer and fact-finder heavy electrical contractor team, walks through the 80% rule for breaking analysis paralysis, and offers a candid take on how to use Kolbe results responsibly rather than as a free pass for bad behavior. The conversation wraps with an unexpected and very relatable segment on the Kolbe Youth assessment and what it means when your kid needs to do cartwheels to nail their math facts. Key Topics - The three buckets of human strength: cognitive (what you know), affective (your personality and motivations), and conative (how you naturally execute) — and where Kolbe fits. - How Kolbe differs from DISC, Myers-Briggs, Working Genius, and Predictive Index. - What it looks like to go beyond just knowing your Kolbe numbers and actually put them to work inside a leadership team. - Identifying team blind spots — and what to do about them when you can't just hire your way out. - The 80% rule: a practical technique for teams weighted in Fact Finder to break through analysis paralysis. - Why Kolbe is a tool for strengths, not an excuse — especially for high Quick Starts. - The two-plus-two-equals-five effect when teams learn to use each other's conative talents together. - Eric's career journey: from unloading beer trucks to running strategic partnerships at one of the most recognized assessment companies in the world. - The Kolbe Y Youth Assessment and why it changes everything for parents — and kids who hate sitting still. Key Chapters 0:00 - Welcome to the Wonder Wagon: Eric Herrera and the advantage of being built into EOS. 1:30 - From beer trucks to assessments: Eric's unlikely path to Kolbe. 4:00 - Five years with Predictive Index, and why Kolbe felt like a natural next step. 6:00 - Breaking down the three buckets: cognitive, affective, and conative. 8:30 - Eric's current role: strategic partnerships and on-the-road client work. 10:00 - Going beyond the numbers — how Kolbe gets applied inside leadership teams. 12:30 - Real example: an electrical contractor team heavy in Implementer and Fact Finder. 15:00 - The 80% rule and how to introduce it progressively inside a team. 18:30 - Using Kolbe as a strength, not a hall pass — especially as a nine in Quick Start. 22:00 - What's next for Kolbe: doubling down on customized in-person experiences. 24:00 - The Kolbe Y Youth Assessment: helping kids thrive by understanding how they're wired. 27:30 - Cartwheels, math facts, and why movement unlocks everything for some kids. 30:00 - Where to find Eric and how to take your Kolbe assessment. Mentions & Credits Eric Herrera - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericherrera5392 Kolbe Corp - https://www.kolbe.com Powered by Instinct Podcast - https://poweredbyinstinct.com Predictive Index - https://www.predictiveindex.com Working Genius - https://www.workinggenius.com DISC - https://www.discprofile.com Myers-Briggs - https://www.myersbriggs.org Wonder - https://workwithwonder.com EOS Worldwide - https://www.eosworldwide.com

  7. Jul 9

    Live from the Wonder Wagon with Dillon England: How B2B Podcasts Build Relationships & Drive Growth

    Dillon England of 313 Media Co. hops into the Wonder Wagon at the EOS US Conference in Kansas City — and the conversation covers a lot of ground fast. Dillon shares how a wife's offhand suggestion led him to start a podcast while selling insurance, how that show unexpectedly opened doors to guests like Danica Patrick, and how he eventually turned a passion project into a B2B podcast agency on track to hit a million dollars in revenue. He breaks down the philosophy behind 313 Media — that a podcast isn't a content machine, it's a relationship engine — and explains how $100M Offers completely changed how he packages and sells his services. A candid, energetic conversation about taking the leap, discovering you're a Visionary, and building something from scratch in real time. Key Topics - How Dillon's wife talked him into starting a podcast while he was still selling insurance — and why he's glad she did. - Growing a local podcast into a platform that landed Danica Patrick and Brandon Tatum as guests. - Why 313 Media flips the typical podcast agency model on its head: relationships over views and algorithm. - The core B2B value proposition — 30 to 52 high-quality relationships a year through a single content vehicle. - How reading Alex Hormozi's $100M Offers in January took 313 Media from 1 client to 15 in 3.5 months. - The value equation: dream outcome, perceived likelihood, time delay, and effort/sacrifice. - Finding his integrator Cannon, landing the first retainer client through a reference call, and building out the team. - Discovering he's a Visionary after years of being forced into an Integrator role at Aflac. - 313 Media's full-service model: editing, posting, clips, thumbnails, email templates, guest journey, and ROI tracking. - Dillon's message to anyone sitting on an idea: if not now, when? Key Chapters 0:00 - Welcome to the Wonder Wagon: meeting Dillon at his first EOS US Conference. 1:30 - Why having a newborn son was the final push to make the leap. 3:00 - How a friend's lawn care story and a wife's nudge launched the Dillon England Show. 5:30 - Two mismatched mics, a camera that kept shutting off, and year one of the podcast. 7:30 - How the show snowballed: Babylon Bee, Brandon Tatum, and Danica Patrick. 10:00 - Mike Gruley asks: "Have you considered what that could look like as a company?" 12:30 - Making the full jump in January and meeting integrator Cannon through Coach Bob Schoenfeld. 15:30 - Landing the first retainer client through a reference call — and the "$2,000 Mercedes" moment. 17:30 - The 313 Media methodology: why it's about relationships, not views. 21:00 - B2B companies, the content problem, and why podcasting checks every box. 24:00 - How reading $100M Offers changed everything and the value equation explained. 27:00 - Leaning into B2B in November and the growth that followed. 30:00 - EOS, discovering he's a Visionary, and what's next for 313 Media. 34:00 - How to work with 313 Media and Dillon's final encouragement to make your own leap. Mentions & Credits Dillon England - https://313media.co The Dillon England Show - https://www.youtube.com/@DillonEngland Mike Gruley - https://implementer.eosworldwide.com Alex Hormoz - https://shop.acquisition.com Wonder - https://workwithwonder.com EOS Worldwide - https://www.eosworldwide.com

  8. Jul 9

    Live from the Wonder Wagon with Chris Dawson: The 7 Critical Needs for a Healthier Team

    Chris Dawson of Bite7 hops into the Wonder Wagon for a conversation that covers a lot of ground — from the seven things every employee needs to thrive at work, to how those needs map directly to EOS tools, to how a former high school football coach found his way into the world of business coaching. Chris breaks down the BITE7 framework in plain language, explains what the coaching element actually looks like in practice, and shares the unlikely story of how "Uncle Walt" Brown recruited him to help build something Walt had quietly been using with clients for a decade. Key Topics - What BITE stands for — Buy-in, Inclusion, Trust, and Engagement — and why it matters for EOS companies. - The 7 Critical Needs every team member has: Belong, Believe, Accountable, Well-Measured, Heard, Developed, and Balanced. - How Bite7 extends EOS health beyond the leadership team and out to the entire organization. - The difference between compliance (are the tools being done?) and impact (are the tools working for people?). - What the Bite7 coaching engagement looks like: action plan meetings, monthly check-ins, halfway reviews, and re-surveys. - The paradigm shift from EOS tools being done *to* people versus *for* people. - Chris' 7-year run as head football coach at Broughton High School in Raleigh and the transition to business coaching. - How Walt Brown pulled Chris in to help formalize a framework Walt had been using informally for 10 years. Key Chapters 0:00 - Welcome to the Wonder Wagon. 1:00 - What is Bite7? Chris gives the overview. 2:30 - Breaking down all 7 Critical Needs one by one. 5:30 - What leaders can and can't control when it comes to their team's needs. 7:00 - How Bite7 maps to EOS tools and where it fits alongside the Organizational Checkup. 9:30 - The coaching element: action plan meetings, timelines, and re-surveys. 13:00 - The key paradigm shift — EOS being done for people, not to them. 15:00 - Chris's background: English teacher, head football coach, and meeting Uncle Walt on the sideline. 20:00 - How Walt recruited Chris to help build Bite7 in January 2023. 23:00 - Does Chris prefer the coaching room or the business development game? 25:30 - Where to find Chris and how to get started. Mentions & Credits Chris Dawson - chris@bite7.com Bite7 - https://www.bite7.com Walt Brown - https://waltbrown.co Attract or Repel Book - https://attractorrepel.com Wonder - https://workwithwonder.com EOS Worldwide - https://www.eosworldwide.com Patrick Lencioni - https://www.tablegroup.com Brené Brown - https://brenebrown.com Gallup / Don Clifton - https://www.gallup.com

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The Practical, Deep-Dive Entrepreneurial Operating Systems (EOS) Podcast for Implementers, Integrators, Leadership Teams and Anyone Running on EOS or Interested in EOS. Hosted by Andrew Gissal and Jami Mullikin.

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  • Creator
    Jami Mullikin and Andrew Gissal
  • Years Active
    2024 - 2026
  • Episodes
    52
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © Jami Mullikin and Andrew Gissal
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    Inside The 90™