Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

Zack, Josie, Brad, Brittany

Step into a candid, fun, and enlightening conversation with two full-swap couples as they share intimate details about their journey as swingers. Raw and vulnerable, Josie, Zack, Brad and Brittany share their own insecurities, boundaries, and relationship dynamics. They offer practical tips for connecting with others and understanding lifestyle etiquette. This podcast is designed to feel like a close, candid chat among friends. With playful storytelling and real-life advice, it promises to be both entertaining and informative for anyone curious about the swinging lifestyle.

  1. 6D AGO

    Ep 60: Taking a Break: Pressing Pause on the Lifestyle

    Sometimes the healthiest move a couple can make in the lifestyle is to step back. In this episode, the Two Plus Two crew open up about taking breaks—why they happen, how they feel, and what they can reveal about a relationship. Each host shares personal and vulnerable reasons they’ve needed to pause, from forced breaks due to health concerns to intentional step-backs caused by disconnection, burnout, and shifts in intimacy. The discussion centers on the reality that while the lifestyle can be meaningful and fulfilling, it should never take priority over a couple’s relationship, mental health, or family. Navigating that balance can be difficult, especially when trying to remain connected with lifestyle friends without coming across as dismissive, cold, or overly descriptive. This episode explores the emotional and sexual impact of stepping away, including frustration, regret, and the compounding effects of unmet needs. The hosts discuss the importance of trusting instincts, using protection, and communicating where they are emotionally—even when clarity is still forming. They also talk through the challenges of re-engaging after a break, determining when abstaining or testing is appropriate, and reflecting on what they would do differently moving forward. For anyone who has questioned whether it’s acceptable to pause, felt pressure to keep up, or struggled with timing and communication, this episode reinforces an important truth: taking a step back can be healthy, necessary, and relationship-strengthening. Sometimes, timing really is everything. JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Defining ‘taking a break’ (00:02:41) Exposure to a MGen forced a break (00:04:43) The negative impact to our intimacy and closeness (00:06:03) Disconnection, irritation and regret (00:07:39) Follow your instincts and use protection even in external play (00:09:24) Re-engaging in the lifestyle (00:11:04) You need the release (00:12:20) It compounds and you get ‘backed up’ (00:14:27) How do we re-engage after our forced break (00:16:27) Crawling through 1,000 yards of shit (00:18:47) Determining what we each want to communicating that (00:20:40) Is there a universal message here somewhere? (00:22:00) Knowing when abstaining and/or testing is appropriate (00:25:32) What we’ll do differently (00:27:36) Where there’s smoke there’s fire (00:28:27) Early on we had to step out of the lifestyle (00:33:34) The spoon theory (00:36:19) Your state of mind impacts your interest in sex (00:38:22) Communicating where you’re at without being specific (00:41:58) The podcast creates some additional challenges (00:43:00) This response gives you flexibility related to your timeline (00:46:59) Lifestyle people are supportive (00:48:08) Taking a step back is healthy and acceptable (00:49:33) Timing is everything    We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! Available on the App Store and on Google Play. INVITE CODE: 2plus2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with your Two Plus Two Crew: Zack, Josie, Brad & Brittany. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com

    52 min
  2. FEB 4

    Ep 59: Beyond the Birds and the Bees: Talking to Your Kids About the Lifestyle

    A listener’s message sparks one of the most emotionally loaded conversations we’ve ever had as lifestyle parents. After receiving a text from her adult daughter that read, “I know about you and dad’s extracurricular activities,” we’re forced to confront a question many couples quietly avoid: What happens when your kids know… or might know… about your life? We unpack the initial wave of fear, embarrassment, and panic, but quickly move beyond the shock to something deeper—what it actually means to live openly and honestly when you’re confident in your choices. While none of our children know yet, Zack and Josie share why they’re preparing to tell their oldest daughters, answering the question Brad and Brittany posed: Why tell them at all? This episode isn’t about justifying the lifestyle or asking for permission. It’s about being grounded in your “why,” trusting yourself, and showing up without defensiveness. We talk about how being “out” can bring relief, clarity, and stronger boundaries, and why authenticity often matters more than perfect timing or flawless delivery. We also explore the realities parents wrestle with—how different kids may react very differently, how siblings can complicate things, and why the real conversation often isn’t about sex at all. It’s about values, honesty, and modeling what it looks like to live a full, intentional life. If you’ve ever wondered whether openness could bring peace—or if staying silent is really protecting anyone—this episode sits right in that uncomfortable, powerful space between fear and freedom. JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) MrsCaliente Cookies’ question (00:02:36) Your parents’ sex life (00:04:28) Initial reactions to the message (00:06:35) How did she find out and is it relevant? (00:09:14) A cautionary tale about text messages (00:12:50) Some children can handle it and others may not be able to (00:14:23) Your own opinion of the lifestyle can drive the conversation (00:16:27) Siblings may share the news with one another (00:18:01) Walking in on your parents (00:21:18) I’ve got a secret! (00:22:34) We’re planning to tell our kids soon (00:26:11) Disclaimer: it’s not just about having sex with other people (00:28:31) One couples’ son decided to get in the LS after ‘the conversation’ (00:29:44) Focus on being authentic (00:30:25) Is this possible given recent struggles? (00:36:07) Relief can come from being ‘out’ (00:37:41) Why the qualifiers? (00:42:15) Request to not play in her daughter’s town (00:46:16) Get to the bottom of the real concerns and address those (00:48:59) Readdressing the conversation after your initial reaction (00:52:44) You don’t need to convince anybody (00:54:00) Living your life for yourself and not your kids    We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! Available on the App Store and on Google Play. INVITE CODE: 2plus2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with your Two Plus Two Crew: Zack, Josie, Brad & Brittany. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com⁠

    58 min
  3. JAN 28

    Ep 58: Women’s Health in Swinging: Taking Care of Your Kitty

    Callie is back—returning guest from our STD episode—for a much-needed deep dive into women’s health in the lifestyle. Joined by Zack, Josie, and Brittany, this conversation tackles the realities many women face but rarely hear clearly explained, especially in non-monogamous spaces. We start by unpacking how women are often forced to crowdsource health advice from friends instead of providers, and why women’s health research has historically been overlooked. From there, Callie shares her professional experience alongside real-world frustrations many lifestyle women encounter with doctors who don’t ask the right questions—or don’t know what to test for. The episode covers prevention, testing frequency, and what actually spreads (spoiler: it’s not toilet seats). We dig into HSV, BV, vaginal pH changes, biological incompatibility, boric acid, probiotics, wipes, supplements, and how condoms, flavored lubes, hormones, IUDs, and HRT can all impact vaginal health. Callie also explains why standard NAAT tests can be limited, why specificity with your provider matters, and what to do if you think you’ve been exposed. We also explore the financial and logistical hurdles of testing, insurance limitations, responsibility to partners, and navigating the lifestyle while trying to conceive or managing conditions like Hashimoto’s. Throughout the conversation, one message stays clear: listen to your body, advocate for yourself, and find a provider you trust—even if it takes time. This episode is educational, candid, and empowering—because taking care of yourself is part of taking care of the people you play with. JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Women often get health advice from other women (00:03:48) Specific study of women’s health has been ignored for a long time (00:05:19) Callie’s professional experience and our experiences of other professionals (00:07:12) Best methods of prevention and frequency of testing (00:08:42) HSV (00:10:06) Toilet seats may be dirty…but not responsible for STD’s (00:10:57) Annual exams and pap smears (00:14:52) Your pH and vaginal health can be impacted (00:16:01) Boric acid, cleaning and probiotics (00:17:12) pH wipes and biological incompatibility (00:17:55) Uqora and other supplements (00:21:28) This is not medical advice (00:23:05) Communicating effectively with your provider (00:27:30) What is Bacterial Vaginosis (BV) and how is it spread? (00:31:58) Condoms and flavored lubes (00:34:56) What to test for and frequency (00:38:43) NAAT tests are very basic tests and and are not specific (00:40:41) Be specific with your provider (00:42:42) Best course of action if you’ve been exposed (00:44:00) Some tests are expensive and insurance won’t cover them (00:45:34) Overcoming hurdles to testing (00:47:50) Being responsible in keeping others safe (00:49:21) Fluctuation in women’s bodies, hormones and the IUD (00:51:56) Trying to get pregnant and the lifestyle (00:53:12) Hashimoto’s and birth control (00:58:56) HRT (01:01:20) Listen to your body and find a doctor who you trust    We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! Available on the App Store and on Google Play. INVITE CODE: 2plus2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with your Two Plus Two Crew: Zack, Josie, Brad & Brittany. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com

    1h 2m
  4. JAN 21

    Ep 57: Uncut and Unfiltered: Sensitivity, Pleasure, and Perception

    In this candid — and hilariously honest — conversation, all four hosts tackle a topic that rarely gets talked about openly: uncircumcised penises. Brad opens up about growing up uncut in a world where it wasn’t common, including the insecurity, teasing, and the unforgettable childhood nickname “Snuffleupagus.” We explore real-world differences between circumcised and uncircumcised penises — sensitivity, oral sex, comfort in underwear, hygiene myths, and the realities of sex and play. Brad shares the story of the moment he thought he “broke” his penis as a teenager (spoiler: he didn’t — but his foreskin was never the same). Josie and Brittany reflect on what it was like the first time they experienced Brad’s body, and we unpack the stigma some couples still have about playing with uncut men — where it comes from, and how it affects confidence and connection. With lots of laughs, vulnerability, and plenty of good-natured teasing, we also talk about whether — and how — someone might disclose being uncut to new play partners… including a few fun and sexy ways to say it. This episode is equal parts educational, compassionate, and delightfully irreverent — and definitely one you won’t forget. JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) I was different (00:04:16) Kids are cruel (00:05:44) What women should know (00:07:46) The tip is really sensitive when the skin is pulled back (00:08:48) I thought I broke my penis (00:10:49) Blowing one for the first time (00:13:53) The foreskin and using lube (00:15:13) New partners (00:19:15) Hygiene (00:20:46) Most women are receptive (00:21:59) I view it as a positive (00:23:35) Why some have ‘no uncut’ in their profiles (00:25:22) Ignorance (00:26:17) Things can get funky (00:27:50) Zack Stats (00:29:28) To circumcise or not to circumcise (00:34:17) Brad is in good company (00:35:48) Pulling it back (00:38:45) Suck it! (00:40:24) Sharing information ahead of playing (00:42:41) Not many women are forward (00:44:59) They come in all different shapes and sizes   We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! Available on the App Store and on Google Play. INVITE CODE: 2plus2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with your Two Plus Two Crew: Zack, Josie, Brad & Brittany. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com

    50 min
  5. JAN 14

    Ep 56: Exclusivity with Another Couple: Love, Boundaries, and Commitment

    In this episode, Zack and Josie sit down with Roger and Jessica, a lifestyle couple whose journey has taken an unexpected turn — into an exclusive, emotionally connected relationship with another couple. After two years in the lifestyle, what began as group dates evolved into alternating date nights, overnight visits, out-of-state trips, and eventually a shared commitment they now describe as having a “boyfriend” and “girlfriend.” Roger and Jessica share how they’ve navigated parenting schedules, deepening emotional bonds, New Relationship Energy, and the intentional work they’ve done in counseling to build the tools needed for success. Even as their connection with their partner couple grows, they remain grounded in their marriage as their primary commitment — while also acknowledging that they genuinely love their boyfriend and girlfriend. We also explore how they define this relationship: Is it poly? Is it still “just” the lifestyle? Or is it something in-between? Roger and Jessica talk openly about the labels that fit — and the ones that don’t — as they shape a relationship model that feels authentic to them. With their own history of a four-way relationship that ended in divorce, Zack and Josie ask the tough questions: Is this beautiful connection also dangerous territory? What boundaries, agreements, and self-awareness does it take to make a relationship like this work? Join us as we unpack the practical, emotional, and relational realities of choosing exclusivity inside the lifestyle. JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) It all started with a sexy dream (00:02:27) Lifestyle adjacent (00:03:15) Conversation and open communication (00:03:41) We had no idea what we were doing (00:05:42) We had a few FWB’s for about a year (00:07:44) We got into an exclusive relationship (00:10:19) Isn’t being exclusive dangerous territory? (00:14:20) Our deliberate approach (00:15:19) The love we feel for different people is different than the love we feel for each other (00:18:39) Communication, connection and boundaries (00:20:18) Play parameters (00:22:52) We are able to disconnect from daily life with our play partners (00:25:33) An open marriage…not poly (00:27:59) It isn’t always easy (00:29:25) We share the big things with each other, but not every detail (00:31:27) Insecurities and compersion (00:33:50) We experience things differently because it’s a different dynamic (00:34:35) Loving vs being in love (00:37:05) Staying focused on our mutual goals (00:39:13) Vulnerability creates closeness and excitement (00:40:52) An exclusive relationship solves some of the challenges of the lifestyle (00:42:47) Navigating lifestyle events in an exclusive relationship (00:44:58) One-on-one dates (00:45:36) Protecting our couple time and our family time (00:47:17) One-on-one overnights and travel with play partners (00:48:39) The more we do it the more comfortable it becomes (00:50:36) Overnights were initially terrifying (00:52:47) The kids are young and are unaware (00:58:35) Boyfriend / girlfriend titles   We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! Available on the App Store and on Google Play. INVITE CODE: 2plus2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with your Two Plus Two Crew: Zack, Josie, Brad & Brittany. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com

    1h 2m
  6. JAN 7

    Ep 55: Midlife in the Lifestyle: Freedom, Urgency, and Identity

    As we get older, our bodies, our priorities, and even the way we experience the lifestyle begin to shift. In this episode, all four hosts are back at the table to talk honestly about aging, self-image, and how time changes our perspective on play, connection, and identity. Brad and Josie — both in their 50s — share what it feels like to realize they’re past the halfway point in life, while Brittany reflects on approaching that milestone, and Zack talks about only recently turning 40. Together, we ask: Is 50 really a turning point? When do you start to feel your mortality… or your freedom? And is the lifestyle a young person’s game, or does age bring its own kind of power? We explore body confidence, the “I don’t give a f***” stage of life, the pressure some of us feel to “live bigger now” while we still can, and whether urgency, opportunity, and time shape our choices. We also talk about the strengths that come with age — experience, perspective, emotional maturity, and success — and how those benefits can sometimes feel at odds with the expectations of the lifestyle. Of course, we keep it real with plenty of humor too… including joking about when we finally get to “give up,” skip the gym, eat whatever we want, and go off the rails. 😉 We wrap with a reminder that pleasure, connection, and adventure don’t expire — and that the lifestyle can be meaningful, fun, and fulfilling at any age. JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Insecurities about age (00:05:09) Perception of age is changing (00:09:25) The lifestyle is a young person’s game (00:10:35) You’re never too old to have sex (00:11:38) Times have changed and society is shifting (00:15:33) Age bursts (00:20:39) At what age will we no longer be attractive to younger people (00:23:16) Not disclosing your age (00:25:40) Carpe diem (00:29:16) Aging can feel limiting (00:31:58) Aging is also a blessing (00:33:45) It’s a 50’s thing (00:35:10) I don’t want the clock to run out (00:37:17) I thought the lifestyle is a short term project (00:39:54) Times have changed and so has the lifestyle (00:43:48) Stages and cycles of the lifestyle (00:45:24) Age plays into sexual liberation (00:48:38) Our perspectives changed in less than an hour (00:51:13) My journey isn’t about age although aging is part of the journey (00:52:34) The age when you stop giving a f**k (00:55:24) Not giving a f**k   We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! Available on the App Store and on Google Play. INVITE CODE: 2plus2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with your Two Plus Two Crew: Zack, Josie, Brad & Brittany. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com ⁠ RESOURCES The Subtle Art of Not Giving a F**k by Mark Manson

    1 hr
  7. 12/31/2025

    Ep 54: Behind the Mic 2025: Unfiltered, Uncensored, Unzipped

    To celebrate our first full year of Two Plus Two, we’re pulling back the curtain and sharing some of our favorite private conversations, outrageous stories, and unforgettable play moments. In this milestone episode, Zack and Josie revisit a fun, sexy, weird, and wonderfully awkward party encounter — and yes, they spill all the dirty details. Your Two Plus Two crew also has some fun shaking up the opener, including outtakes from Brad’s dramatic “sexy vampires” intro. We chat about a single vanilla guy who proudly declared himself a slut — and somehow ended up sharing his opinions on vaginas, STDs, and his vast collection of experiences. Zack and Josie also recount a hot play session with a pair of Two Plus Two listeners, and we open up about some of our own intimate moments with our partners along the way. From joking about handing out goodie bags at our orgies, to the guys teasing us about finishing their sentences, the conversation veers between playful, personal, and downright hilarious. Brad and Brittany share a wild lifestyle weekend story where Brittany’s insatiable sex drive turned Brad into a human Sybian — even after he tucked her into bed… more than once. We also laugh about how vanillas see swingers in public (and what happens when we let them in on the secret), and we dive into a conversation about Zack’s first wife being Mormon — which leads us into the curious world of “soaking” and “docking.” It’s raw, real, sexy, nostalgic, and the perfect way to celebrate one amazing year of stories, laughter, connection, and community. JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) An intro mash up (00:01:02) The play by play of an interesting play experience (00:11:39) Outtakes and fun banter  (00:12:39) Shweddy Balls and Sexy Vampires (00:14:10) Stinky vaginas and drippy penises (00:17:04) Mismatched experiences and revelations (00:19:39) A fun play experience with two of our listeners (00:25:17) I found a new button!  (00:28:10) Fun marital banter (00:29:09) Orgy swag and vampire tattoos (00:29:49) Marital communication and ‘loss of words’ (00:31:47) Intro change-up outtakes (00:34:20) Sugar lips…stroke my ego…stay humble (00:37:53) Body shaming,  judgment, confidence and insecurity (00:40:50) Dressing for your bodytype (00:42:52) Podcast ‘celebrities’ (00:46:27) FOMO and dirty martinis (00:48:06) She was like a little kid who wouldn’t stay in bed (00:50:26) She shredded a guitar on her c**t (00:52:19) I had my dick flicked (00:55:01) Phone a friend (00:55:25) Those people are so friendly! (00:59:37) Soaking and docking (01:03:29) Ex bashing (01:06:34) We evolve and get better   (01:09:01) Zack’s microphone and Josie’s music box (01:10:41) Josie’s karaoke machine (01:11:25) A sneaky lube run  (01:13:02) A Mexican Special (01:14:12) Going down with Two Plus Two with Elevated Fun (01:16:10) Josie’s elevator impression   We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! Available on the App Store and on Google Play. INVITE CODE: 2plus2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with your Two Plus Two Crew: Zack, Josie, Brad & Brittany. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com

    1h 18m
  8. 12/24/2025

    Ep 53: To Play or Not to Play: When and How to Shift Out of Neutral

    Zack, Josie, Brad, and Brittany sit down to tackle a question nearly every lifestyle couple has wrestled with: how many dates does it really take to get to a “yes”? They talk through what it’s like meeting a couple for the first time—those moments when the chemistry is instant and the energy exchange makes the decision easy, and the more complicated scenarios where one partner is a clear “yes” while the other sits in a frustrating gray area of “neutral.” The hosts unpack what “neutral” really means, how to shift out of it with intention, and how to decide whether to move forward—or confidently say no. The conversation dives deep into the risks of playing when one partner is still neutral. What happens if the experience doesn’t go well? Could it lead to regret, resentment, or hesitation in future situations? They explore how neutral energy can impact not just the couple, but everyone involved in a play dynamic, and why “neutral” often isn’t neutral at all—it’s a need for more information, clarity, or context. They also challenge the idea that more dates always lead to better outcomes, discussing how too much time or too many vanilla-setting meetups can actually shift desire toward a “no.” The hosts share their frustrations with couples who need multiple dates before making a decision and contrast that with how lifestyle vacations—like the Bliss Cruise—can completely change expectations, timelines, and energy. If you’ve ever struggled with mismatched interest levels, decision fatigue, or figuring out when to lean in versus walk away, this episode offers honest insight, thoughtful reflection, and plenty of “we’ve been there” moments. JOIN US in 2026 on the Bliss Cruise in February or at Naughty Nawlins and support our podcast by booking your ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠travel⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ or purchasing your lifestyle products using our affiliate links. Please do us a favor and visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twoplustwopodcast.com/resources/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ (00:00:00) Too much ‘information’ (00:04:19) Making decisions and finding common ground (00:10:17) Saying ‘yes’ when one partner is neutral (00:11:21) Sometimes one partner takes the lead (00:15:52) Gauging and communicating interest can be challenging (00:20:46) We are working on being more decisive and communicative (00:23:59) Determining the time and effort to invest in a couple (00:30:40) Relationships that stay vanilla too long can become awkward (00:32:30) Changing the context of a second meeting can be helpful (00:33:22) Situations where one partner is less interested than the other (00:36:00) Communicating during a session if one partner is not having fun (00:38:22) Lifestyle travel may change expectations (00:40:47) LS travel environments can also act as accelerant (00:44:13) European lifestyle clubs may inhibit verbal connection (00:48:44) Where are we at with this couple….really? (00:53:45) When the Two Plus Two Crew met for the first time (00:55:46) Shifting out of neutral We'd love to connect with you! Create your own FREE account on Peaches'nCream, the new social media app for your lifestyle! Available on the App Store and on Google Play. INVITE CODE: 2plus2 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://peachesncream.app/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Two Plus Two Podcast Group on Peaches'nCream to see our exclusive photos, post your comments, ask questions and connect with your Two Plus Two Crew: Zack, Josie, Brad & Brittany. Email us your thoughts, comments and ideas at: mailto: ⁠⁠hello@twoplustwopodcast.com⁠

    58 min
4.6
out of 5
109 Ratings

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Step into a candid, fun, and enlightening conversation with two full-swap couples as they share intimate details about their journey as swingers. Raw and vulnerable, Josie, Zack, Brad and Brittany share their own insecurities, boundaries, and relationship dynamics. They offer practical tips for connecting with others and understanding lifestyle etiquette. This podcast is designed to feel like a close, candid chat among friends. With playful storytelling and real-life advice, it promises to be both entertaining and informative for anyone curious about the swinging lifestyle.

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