This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit letitrollpodcast.substack.com In 1954 a St. Louis police detective named Charlie O’Brien went looking for the piano player Henry Brown, who by then was making his living in the numbers racket. Word got around that a cop was after him, and Brown kept slipping out the back door. O’Brien finally cornered him in a one-room flat on the second floor of a tenement and talked to the closed door: “Henry, I’m here to ask you about the blues records that you made.” The door creaked open. Host Nate Wilcox talks with Kevin Belford, artist, illustrator and author of “Devil at the Confluence: The Pre-War Blues Music of St. Louis, Missouri,” in a brand-new conversation recorded in October 2026. It joins Let It Roll From the Beginning..., in which the whole Let It Roll archive is being re-cast in chronological order by topic, just ahead of two episodes on Robert Johnson and the Delta. Kevin set out to paint a portrait series of his city’s blues musicians and found there wasn’t even a list of their names - so he went to the microfilm. He explains how the first writers on the blues, Lomax, Abbe Niles and Rudi Blesh, set rules that left St. Louis out: no city music, no comedy, no hokum, hardly any women. He sets W.C. Handy’s story of hearing the blues on the St. Louis levee in 1893 against his more famous Tutwiler, Mississippi, account a decade later, and asks why the St. Louis version was played down in Handy’s 1941 autobiography. Then the women who made the first blues records - Eva Taylor, Virginia Liston, Irene Scruggs and Josephine Baker’s start at the Booker Washington Theatre - and Lonnie Johnson, who won the theatre’s blues contest 18 weeks running and made 191 pre-war recordings. Also: the St. Louis school of guitar-and-piano duos; Henry Townsend decoding the pseudonyms on the old 78s, and why Roosevelt Sykes needed so many of them; record-store owner and talent scout Jesse Johnson; Jimmie Rodgers making a special trip to St. Louis to record with Clifford Gibson; Peetie Wheatstraw, the Devil’s Son-in-Law, cutting at least 160 sides through the Depression; Victoria Spivey; the original Sonny Boy Williamson’s “Good Morning, School Girl” session with Big Joe Williams and Robert Nighthawk just before the Petrillo recording ban; how Bob Koester and Charlie O’Brien rescued the city’s legacy in the 1950s; and Kevin’s forthcoming book on the St. Louis music before the blues - “Duncan and Brady”, “Stagger Lee”, “Frankie and Johnny”, and “Ta-ra-ra Boom-de-ay.” Let It Roll is dedicated to the memory of Ed Ward, Russell Thomas and Danny Park. MUSIC IN THIS EPISODE * “The Harlem Rag,” Tom Turpin * “You’ve Got the Right Key, But the Wrong Keyhole,” Virginia Liston * “Let Me Be Your Side Track,” Jimmie Rodgers with Clifford Gibson * “Good Morning, Little School Girl,” Sonny Boy Williamson HOW TO HEAR THE FULL EPISODE IN YOUR OWN PODCAST APP Paid subscribers get the complete episode. It doesn’t come through Apple Podcasts or Spotify - those carry the free preview. To get the full-length episodes in whatever app you already use, set up your private feed: 1. Go to letitrollpodcast.substack.com and open your subscription page 2. Scroll down to Private podcast feed 3. Click Set up podcast and copy the link 4. Paste it into your podcast app - in Apple Podcasts that’s Library -> ... -> Add a Show by URL That link is yours alone, and every new full-length episode lands in it automatically. Or skip all that and use the Substack app - sign in and everything’s already there.