The New Paradigm Leadership Podcast

Rayner Jae Liu

A podcast about how to create beauty amid the breakdown and complexity of the 21st century. raynerjaeliu.substack.com

Episodes

  1. 12/19/2025

    Jac O'Keeffe on Guru Problems and How Colonialism Shapes Spirituality

    Jac and I met as speakers as the Harvard Divinity School Conference on at the Program for the Evolution of Spirituality, where we discussed spiritualities of celebration, resistance, and accountability. At the conference, Jac explored the influence of colonialism on spiritual ethics and accountability and proposes a new system of accountability through the ASI. One of the great challenges in spiritual spaces is that people arrive with a great deal of pain, but rather than use spirituality as a means of authentic liberation, they use it to place teachers on pedestals. This repeats colonial patterns but simply cloaks it in new forms. In this conversation, Jac and I talk about how to undo unhealthy adoration, which creates an imbalance of power, and replace it with a spiritual sovereignty that doesn’t bypass but instead liberates us toward a deeper universal consciousness. Key Topics 00:00 - Introduction 00:48 - Start of Conversation 02:12 - Colonialism’s Impact on Spirituality 06:54 - Jac’s Spiritual Awakening Story 13:17 - “Truth for Its Own Sake” 18:03 - How the ASI Got Started 22:55 - Spiritual Spaces & The Pain Body 30:21 - What Is a Projection? 35:25 - The Human Needs of Spiritual Teachers 39:05 - When Spiritual Teachers Have God Complexes 41:57 - What Could a Spiritual Learning Environment Look Like? 50:09 - Does the Spiritual Teaching Profession Need Structure? 55:29 - The Role of Younger Generations 58:27 - What Happens When You Believe Systems Can’t Change? 01:03:15 - Close of Conversation 01:04:53 - End Jac O’Keeffe Jac O’Keeffe is a spiritual leader, author, and trailblazer in the exploration of consciousness. She has followed a disciplined spiritual path for over 25 years including 15 years as an international spiritual teacher. Her books include Born to Be Free and How to Be a Spiritual Rebel. She is a Theology graduate with post graduate studies in Adult and Community Education. Jac’s Website Association for Spiritual Integrity How to be a Spiritual Rebel Contact me about being a guest or invite me on your show: https://raynerjaeliu.com/ Subscribe This podcast would not be possible without the support of our paid subscribers. Consider offering a one-time or recurring gift here or become a paid subscriber and support the longevity of independent publishing on Substack while getting exclusive access to the comments section, bonus episodes, and all future benefits. Get full access to New Paradigm Knowledge at raynerjaeliu.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 6m
  2. Brent Cooper on the Role of Sociology in Metacrisis Discourse

    12/04/2024

    Brent Cooper on the Role of Sociology in Metacrisis Discourse

    I came across Brent Cooper’s writing while looking for more cogent explanations of what’s happening in the global metacrisis. There were often pieces missing from the narrative in various spaces. When I came across Brent’s writing, something clicked. I began sending his article to other sensemakers, and they remarked that Brent’s perspectives expressed exactly what they were seeing. My journey through epistemic spaces has been filled with many insights into the unconscious drivers that form people’s biases. Everyone’s different and we’re not here to have everyone think or act the same. However, the problem today is that people are hiding, in denial of larger realities because they’re afraid to transform and change into higher versions of themselves. That is our problem today. If you’ve come across or even been hooked by various names in the online space of so-called public intellectuals (e.g., Jordan Peterson, Steven Pinker, Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, Ben Shapiro, Eric Weinstein) and if you’re looking to become more adept at being present to the complex challenges of our world today, this episode is for you. I don’t hate any of these people, but I have serious issues with their thinking. If they’re going to send out distorted frequencies and ideas to the not-self collective and make careers out of them, they should expect some pushback. Key Topics 00:00 - Introduction 00:58 - Start of Conversation 02:19 - Being an “Anti-Professional” 03:17 - Sociology & Beyond Integral Theory 05:36 - Brent’s Content and Relationship to Integral 07:30 - Integral Theory’s Ceilings and Dead Ends 08:55 - New Paradigm Creation & Epistemic Tension 10:08 - We’re in the Darkest Timeline & Decolonization 12:16 - The Importance of Sociology in Epistemic Spaces 15:26 - The Lack of Sociological Consciousness in Society 19:02 - The Abs-Tract Organization + What Is Abstraction? 26:08 - The Intellectual Dark Web Is Leaving Things Out 28:44 - “Epistemic Humility” and Weaponized Incompetence 31:22 - Dealing With People’s Structures of Interpretation 31:58 - Optimizing Response Through Fierce Grace 35:00 - How the World Was Gaslit on Capitalism 37:00 - The Dearth of Aesthetics of Communism 39:26 - Whole Careers Are Built on Hatred 45:48 - Giving Everyday People Access to More Ideas 49:38 - The Race to the Bottom of the Brainstem 54:45 - Systems Thinking, Dogma, and Brent’s Books 57:26 - The Problem with Steven Pinker’s Work 1:02:40 - Brent’s Work, Patreon, and Links 1:06:36 - Good Abstraction Is Getting Real Brent Cooper Brent Cooper is Executive Director of The Abs-Tract Organization, a meta think tank and transmedia project committed to solving the world's systemic problems through a process of complexity reduction known as abstraction. In this episode, Brent and I talk about the critical role of political sociology in 21st-century issues, the limitations of Wilber’s integral theory, the dynamics of modern discourse, and the true meaning of independent thinking as it pertains to complex topics. Brent brings a political and sociological perspective that grounds epistemic thinkers and philosophers in the realities of people’s lived experiences. Resources & Affiliate Links Vicious Abstract and Systemic Racism by Brent Cooper Woman Warrior: A Training for 21st Century Systems Change by Rayner Jae Liu Inventing the Future: Postcapitalism and a Future Without Work by Srnicek and Williams The Power Elite by C. Wright Mills The Sociological Imagination by C. Wright Mills White Collar: The American Middle Classes by C. Wright Mills The Meaning of Truth by William James Guest Links & Contact The Abs-Tract Organization and Contact: abs-tract.org Abs-Tract Medium: medium.com/the-abs-tract-organization Abs-Tract Twitter: twitter.com/tato_tweets Abs-Tract Facebook: tinyurl.com/abs-tract-fb-page Abs-Tract YouTube: youtube.com/Abs-tractOrg Abs-Tract Patreon: patreon.com/abs_tract Contact me about being a guest or invite me on your show: raynerjaeliu.com Subscribe This podcast would not be possible without the support of our paid subscribers. Consider offering a one-time or recurring gift here or become a paid subscriber and support the longevity of independent publishing while getting exclusive access to the comments section, bonus episodes, and all future benefits. Get full access to New Paradigm Knowledge at raynerjaeliu.substack.com/subscribe

    1h 9m
  3. Dr. Robyn Short on Building Peace Through Dignity and Belonging

    11/20/2024

    Dr. Robyn Short on Building Peace Through Dignity and Belonging

    Robyn Short is a colleague with high emotional intelligence and what we might call dignity intelligence—the ability to help people experience a sense that their experiences matter. We’re often so limited by existing levels of development that we forget that our more infinite capacities and longings are actually fundamental needs and that by inverting the paradigm, we can actually actualize the things that current levels of development or popular paradigms say they want (e.g., creativity, productivity). Robyn also has several interesting ideas that have given me language for things I knew I was doing in my work but didn’t have words for. For example, she talks about homeostasis mind, among other ideas, in her professional webinar series on New Paradigm Leadership at the Workplace Peace Institute. While we have different perspectives and approaches, the fact that we landed on almost the same name should tell you a lot about her worldview. Whereas I’ve always focused on intuition and interdisciplinary connections around life purpose, whole-life transformation, integration, and social innovation more generally, I really appreciate Robyn’s emphasis around safety, belonging, and these things that are foundational for high levels of performance as well as larger social transformations. I hope you enjoy the episode. Key Topics 00:00 - Introduction 01:22 - Start of Conversation 03:53 - Robyn’s Origin Story 09:40 - Newtonian Workplaces 12:48 - Maslow’s Hierarchy 15:47 - The Tent Encampment 19:08 - Working with Organizations 23:41 - Where Conflict Comes From 24:56 - Hierarchical Systems and Power 27:09 - The Intersection of Peace and Systems 28:20 - The United States as a System 31:00 - Anti-Authoritarian and Authoritarian 33:51 - Robyn’s Definition of Peace 34:50 - The Problems of Hierarchy and Scarcity 35:30 - Understanding the Vagus Nerve & Peace 41:40 - Changing Others vs. Changing Ourselves 47:30 - Who Profits From Division? 48:50 - Our Sphere of Influence 49:42 - Conclusion and Links 50:11 - Outro Dr. Robyn Short, DLS Dr. Robyn Short (she/her) is the Founder and CEO of the Workplace Peace Institute. Dr. Short helps individuals, teams and organizations resolve conflicts and build sustainable, purpose-driven environments. With a doctor of liberal studies and multiple master’s degrees, she is an expert in organization systems design, peace building, and transformative  mediation, and she's worked internationally with  community and political leaders to foster peace in areas of historic conflict. Resources & Affiliate Links Peace in the Workplace: Transforming Conflict Into Collaboration by Robyn Short Communicating with Dignity and Curiosity: The Peacemaker's Handbook for Creating and Sustaining Peace by Robyn Short Dignity: Its Essential Role in Resolving Conflict by Donna Hicks Leading with Dignity: How to Create a Culture That Brings the Best by Donna Hicks Reinventing Organizations: The Next Stage of Human Consciousness by Frederic Laloux Reinventing Organizations: An Illustrated Invitation by Frederic Laloux Guest Links & Contact Workplace Peace Institute (WPI): workplacepeaceinstitute.com WPI on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/workplace-peace-institute Contact me about being a guest or invite me on your show: raynerjaeliu.com Subscribe This podcast would not be possible without the support of our paid subscribers. Consider offering a one-time or recurring gift here or become a paid subscriber and support the longevity of independent publishing on Substack while getting exclusive access to the comments section, bonus episodes, and all future benefits. Get full access to New Paradigm Knowledge at raynerjaeliu.substack.com/subscribe

    51 min

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A podcast about how to create beauty amid the breakdown and complexity of the 21st century. raynerjaeliu.substack.com