Kind Of A Big Book Deal

Meghan Stevenson

"Kind of a Big Book Deal" is the go-to podcast for entrepreneurs eager to dive into the world of traditional publishing. Hosted by Meghan Stevenson, a seasoned editor with deep roots in the publishing industry, this podcast is perfect for anyone dreaming of topping the bestseller lists. Meghan shares her wealth of experience, including securing over $5 million in book deals for her clients from giants like Penguin and Harper Collins. Each episode is packed with insider tips on snagging a book deal, building a compelling author platform, and the realities of the publishing journey. Meghan's approachable style and candid discussions make learning about the often-intimidating publishing process enjoyable and relatable. She brings on successful authors to share their stories, offers straightforward advice, and answers listener questions, all while keeping things light and engaging. "Kind of a Big Book Deal" isn't just informative—it's like sitting down with a good friend who knows the ins and outs of the publishing world. The podcast airs new episodes every other Friday, providing fresh insights and ongoing support for both budding and seasoned entrepreneurs. Whether you're just starting out or you're looking to expand your reach in the literary world, Meghan's guidance and the vibrant community she fosters can help you navigate your way to publishing success with confidence and a few laughs along the way.

  1. 6d ago

    From Burnout to Book Deal with Dr. Jen Rafferty, author of The Empowered Educator

    Send us Fan Mail A book deal is not just about having a good idea. It is about becoming the kind of person who can carry that idea all the way into the world. In this episode of *Kind of a Big Book Deal*, Meghan Stevenson sits down with Dr. Jen Rafferty, educator, TEDx speaker, founder of Empowered Educator, and author of *The Empowered Educator*. Jen shares how burnout, divorce, motherhood, and a major life reset led her from the classroom to building a mission-driven business and eventually landing a book deal with Penguin Random House. Together, Meghan and Jen walk through the real path behind traditional publishing, including market potential, platform growth, proposal development, literary agent rejections, publisher interest, and the patience required to bring a book to life. Jen also shares why visibility has to feel safe, why there is no fast shortcut to a meaningful book deal, and how the “why times five” exercise can help authors get clear on the deeper reason behind their work. This episode is for entrepreneurs, experts, and creators who want to write a book without losing sight of their purpose, their pace, or their important work. Dr. Jen Rafferty is an educator, an author, a TEDx speaker, and the founder of Empowered Educator, an organization transforming the culture of education by placing educator well-being at the center of school success. She holds a Ph.D. in educational psychology, degrees in music education and vocal performance, and certifications in Emotional Intelligence and Neuro-Identity Evolution. As a former middle school music teacher, Jen knows firsthand the challenges and joys of life in the classroom, and the toll it can take when personal well-being comes last. Her own journey from burnout to balance ignited her mission to help educators reconnect with their purpose, restore their energy, and feel empowered as leaders both in and out of the classroom. Find Jen on social IG: @jenrafferty_ LinkedIn: http://linkedin.com/in/jenrafferty/ FB Group: @empowerededucatorfacultyroom Get The Empowered Educator at https://www.empowerededucator.com/book. Episode Highlights: (0:00) Intro (1:34) Meet Dr. Jen Rafferty and The Empowered Educator (3:39) Jen’s transition from classroom teacher to entrepreneur (6:07) The first P: market potential (8:58) The second P: growing platform and visibility (13:22) Why there is no fast path to a book deal (16:38) The third P: building a strong book proposal (20:38) Sending the proposal to literary agents (24:53) Publisher interest and the Penguin Random House deal (28:38) Why Jen hired help to write the book (31:45) Why the book timeline required patience (34:54) The “why times five” exercise for authors (40:46) Turning a personal why into a strong business message (47:21) Jen’s best advice for future authors (50:17) Free resources from Empowered Educator (50:37) Outro Have a great idea for a book but don't know where to start? MeghanStevenson.com/quiz Traditional publishing expert Meghan Stevenson blasts open the gates of the “Big 5”—Penguin Random House, Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Hachette, and Macmillan—to share what every entrepreneur and expert needs to know about landing a book deal.  In episodes released every Monday, Meghan shares wisdom and stories from 20+ years in publishing as well as interviews with authors, literary agents, and editors. She also answers questions from listeners like you.  Whether you are an experienced entrepreneur with an empire, or are just starting out—this podcast will help you understand what you need to do in order to turn your dream of being a bestselling author into real life.

  2. Jul 27

    Get Paid to Make a Bigger Impact

    Send us Fan Mail What if your book deal could do more than publish your ideas? What if it could help fund your legacy? In this episode of Kind of a Big Book Deal, Meghan Stevenson explains why traditional publishing can be a powerful form of leverage for entrepreneurs, experts, and creators. She breaks down how publishers often act like business partners, taking on the upfront financial risk of producing, distributing, and supporting a book. Meghan also reframes the book advance, not as a simple payday, but as working capital that can help authors write, promote, and build something bigger. She shares why investing in a strong book proposal can create a major return, especially when it helps attract the right agent and publisher. Through the story of Jamie Sears and her book How to Love Teaching Again, Meghan shows how a traditional book deal can expand both impact and reach. This episode is especially useful for creators who have valuable ideas and want to serve more people without carrying the full financial risk alone. Episode Highlights: (0:00) Intro (1:15) Why publishers act like venture capitalists (1:44) What a book deal really means (2:15) How publishers take on the upfront risk (2:33) Why your advance is working capital (3:04) The leverage authors gain through traditional publishing (3:34) Why many authors hire help with proposals (4:22) The real numbers behind proposal investment (5:35) Why impact matters beyond the money (6:02) Jamie Sears’ book deal and mission (6:36) How to Love Teaching Again reached thousands (7:22) Why traditional publishing can grow your legacy (7:45) How to start pursuing a book deal (8:26) Outro Have a great idea for a book but don't know where to start? MeghanStevenson.com/quiz Traditional publishing expert Meghan Stevenson blasts open the gates of the “Big 5”—Penguin Random House, Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Hachette, and Macmillan—to share what every entrepreneur and expert needs to know about landing a book deal.  In episodes released every Monday, Meghan shares wisdom and stories from 20+ years in publishing as well as interviews with authors, literary agents, and editors. She also answers questions from listeners like you.  Whether you are an experienced entrepreneur with an empire, or are just starting out—this podcast will help you understand what you need to do in order to turn your dream of being a bestselling author into real life.

  3. Jul 20

    What AI Means for Authors (and Publishers)

    Send us Fan Mail AI may be loud, but your real ideas still matter. In this episode of Kind of a Big Book Deal, Meghan breaks down what entrepreneurs, experts, creators, and thought leaders need to understand about AI, copyright, and traditional publishing. She explains why publishers are paying close attention to AI use, especially when it comes to protecting original work and avoiding copyright issues. Meghan shares how AI clauses are already showing up in publishing contracts, what authors can safely use AI for, and where the line gets risky. She also explains the basics of copyright in simple terms, including why authors usually keep their copyright in a traditional book deal and why registration matters. Listeners will walk away with a clearer view of how to use AI responsibly, why human expertise still has value, and why traditional publishing is not going away anytime soon. For anyone dreaming of a book deal, this episode is a smart reminder: tools can help, but your voice is still the asset. Episode Highlights: (0:00) Intro (1:11) AI clauses in publishing contracts (2:54) Why copyright matters for authors (3:43) How traditional book deals handle copyright (5:11) How ghostwriters and collaborators handle rights (6:04) Fair use and copyright protection (7:20) AI, copyright, and responsible use (8:12) Lawsuits around AI training and books (10:29) Publisher warnings against AI training use (11:12) Why AI should not handle major creative work (13:19) The pressure to adopt AI (14:31) Why traditional publishing can survive AI (15:24) How to take the next step toward a book deal (15:56) Outro Have a great idea for a book but don't know where to start? MeghanStevenson.com/quiz Traditional publishing expert Meghan Stevenson blasts open the gates of the “Big 5”—Penguin Random House, Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Hachette, and Macmillan—to share what every entrepreneur and expert needs to know about landing a book deal.  In episodes released every Monday, Meghan shares wisdom and stories from 20+ years in publishing as well as interviews with authors, literary agents, and editors. She also answers questions from listeners like you.  Whether you are an experienced entrepreneur with an empire, or are just starting out—this podcast will help you understand what you need to do in order to turn your dream of being a bestselling author into real life.

  4. Jul 13

    Traditional Publishing for Entrepreneurs: The ROI of Investing in Your Book Deal

    Send us Fan Mail What if your book idea could become more than a book and become the reason your audience, business, and income finally grow? In this episode of Kind of a Big Book Deal, Meghan Stevenson pulls back the curtain on what entrepreneurs, experts, and creators need to know about landing a traditional publishing deal. She explains her three-part framework: a book idea with real potential, a strong author platform, and a well-built book proposal. Using Dr. Erica Jordan-Thomas, author of Seven-Figure Educator, as a real example, Meghan shows why a great idea is only the starting point. Publishers want proof that you can reach readers and help sell the book. Meghan also shares why growing your audience should support your business, not just your book dream. From six-figure advances to audiobook rights, foreign rights, royalties, and bigger business growth, this episode gives listeners a clear look at how a book can become a serious growth tool when done strategically. Episode Highlights: (0:00) Intro (1:55) Megan’s three-key book deal framework (2:16) Dr. Erica Jordan-Thomas’ real book deal example (2:52) Why potential alone is not enough (3:08) Understanding your author platform (3:38) Why publishers are not reader finders (4:12) Growing audience and business together (5:19) Building a strong book proposal (5:54) Other ways books can earn money (6:55) The real cheat code behind book success (8:06) Free quiz for your book journey (8:24) Outro Have a great idea for a book but don't know where to start? MeghanStevenson.com/quiz Traditional publishing expert Meghan Stevenson blasts open the gates of the “Big 5”—Penguin Random House, Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Hachette, and Macmillan—to share what every entrepreneur and expert needs to know about landing a book deal.  In episodes released every Monday, Meghan shares wisdom and stories from 20+ years in publishing as well as interviews with authors, literary agents, and editors. She also answers questions from listeners like you.  Whether you are an experienced entrepreneur with an empire, or are just starting out—this podcast will help you understand what you need to do in order to turn your dream of being a bestselling author into real life.

  5. Jul 6

    How to Get a Literary Agent with Dani Segelbaum of Arc Literary Management

    Send us Fan Mail A book deal is not just about having a great idea. It is about knowing how publishing really works before you step into the room. In this episode of Kind of a Big Book Deal, Meghan Stevenson talks with literary agent Dani Segelbaum about what entrepreneurs, experts, and creators need to understand before chasing traditional publishing. Dani shares why literary agents matter, from contract negotiations and publisher relationships to helping authors understand what is really happening behind the scenes. She also explains what agents look for in nonfiction authors: strong ideas, real platform, proven audience demand, and the willingness to sell the book hard. Meghan and Dani also break down the success of Caitlin V’s book and why trusting your audience can challenge old publishing assumptions. This episode is especially useful for entrepreneurs who want their book to become more than a passion project. It shows why platform-building, clear positioning, and the right book team can make the difference between a book that sits on a shelf and one that actually reaches people. This week’s guest is Dani Segelbaum. Dani has nearly a decade of experience working in the publishing industry. She joined Arc Literary in 2024 after three years at the Carol Mann Agency. She began her publishing career as an editorial assistant at HarperCollins Publishers, focusing primarily on highly designed non-fiction titles. She previously worked as a literary assistant at New Leaf Literary & Media. Dani has worked on bestselling and award-winning books by authors including Justin Timberlake, Iris Apfel, Ann Patchett, and Jacqueline Winspear.  Born and raised in Minneapolis, Dani is a graduate of Boston University’s College of Communication where she studied journalism and political science. In college, she worked as an intern for Marie Claire Magazine and as a writer for Boston Common Magazine and the Milford Daily News. Dani has been a voracious reader for as long as she can remember. She represents a wide range of both fiction and non-fiction in the adult and children's spaces, working with New York Times bestselling and debut authors, and is passionate about collaborating with authors from diverse backgrounds to tell stories that are meaningful to them. In nonfiction, she is particularly drawn to books in the areas of women’s issues, popular culture, illustrated/photography, history, politics, self-help, and current events. She also loves narrative non-fiction, biography, business, lifestyle, and cookbooks. Dani collaborates with a diverse range of authors, including illustrators, photographers, academics, psychologists, and journalists. In fiction, Dani seeks contemporary and upmarket adult fiction, historical fiction, rom-coms, and women’s fiction. She loves compelling narrators and is drawn to writing that is voice-driven, highly transporting, and features unique perspectives and marginalized voices. Outside of her professional life, Dani enjoys spending time with her Aussiedoodle, trying out new restaurants with her husband, and indulging in her cookbook collection (which has officially reached "too many" status). Her guilty pleasures include reading the newspaper late at night and baking a never-ending array of treats for family and friends—many of which come straight from her extensive collection of cookbooks. Dani is a member of the AALA. Find Dani at  instagram.com/danisegelbaum/  x.com/danisegelbaum querytracker.net/query/danisegelbaum/ manuscriptacademy.com/faculty-members/dani-segelbaum  Episode Highlights: (0:00) Intro (1:19) Meet Literary Agent Dani Segelbaum (3:27) From HarperCollins Editor to Literary Agent (5:05) Why Authors Need Literary Agents (8:28) Putting Authors First in Publishing (11:11) What Agents Look for in Authors (13:38) Caitlin V’s Book and Market Resistance (18:52) Turning Expertise Into a Sellable Book (23:31) Queries, Referrals, and Proposal Access (27:10) Dani’s Personal Agenting Approach (33:21) The Truth About Marketing Your Book (38:38) Building Platform Before the Book Deal (42:47) Final Thoughts and Listener Callout Have a great idea for a book but don't know where to start? MeghanStevenson.com/quiz Traditional publishing expert Meghan Stevenson blasts open the gates of the “Big 5”—Penguin Random House, Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Hachette, and Macmillan—to share what every entrepreneur and expert needs to know about landing a book deal.  In episodes released every Monday, Meghan shares wisdom and stories from 20+ years in publishing as well as interviews with authors, literary agents, and editors. She also answers questions from listeners like you.  Whether you are an experienced entrepreneur with an empire, or are just starting out—this podcast will help you understand what you need to do in order to turn your dream of being a bestselling author into real life.

  6. Jun 29

    The Real Reason Mel Robbins Became a Bestseller

    Send us Fan Mail What really makes a book a bestseller, and is the famous “blueprint” worth following? In this episode of Kind of a Big Book Deal, Meghan Stevenson breaks down what entrepreneurs need to understand about bestselling books, platform growth, and the publishing machine behind major author success. Using Mel Robbins, James Clear, and other big self-help names as examples, Meghan explains why simple ideas, wide audience appeal, and massive platforms often drive bestseller momentum. She also looks at the darker side of influence, including parasocial relationships, copycat strategies, and the line between learning from others and losing your own integrity. This episode is especially useful for entrepreneurs, experts, and creators who want to publish a meaningful book without feeling pressured to chase trends or copy someone else’s path. The big reminder: You do not need a New York Times bestseller badge to write a book that matters. You need clarity, purpose, and a publishing path that actually fits you. Read the Atlantic article here: https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/2026/04/let-them-mel-robbins-cassie-phillips/686840/. Watch journalist Scott Carney’s YouTube video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VFa7AVis7E. Episode Highlights: (1:24) Why Mel Robbins Is the Case Study (2:02) How James Clear Reverse Engineered Success (2:42) Platform Matters More Than Content Alone (3:27) Mel Robbins’ Publishing Path (4:48) Finding a Broad but Specific Niche (5:48) Influencers, Trust, and Parasocial Relationships (7:32) Bestseller Dreams Without Losing Integrity (8:28) The Let Them Theory Controversy (9:24) Copying, Learning, and Bestseller Strategy (10:42) Bestseller Lists Are Not the Only Impact (11:37) How to Start Your Publishing Journey Have a great idea for a book but don't know where to start? MeghanStevenson.com/quiz Traditional publishing expert Meghan Stevenson blasts open the gates of the “Big 5”—Penguin Random House, Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Hachette, and Macmillan—to share what every entrepreneur and expert needs to know about landing a book deal.  In episodes released every Monday, Meghan shares wisdom and stories from 20+ years in publishing as well as interviews with authors, literary agents, and editors. She also answers questions from listeners like you.  Whether you are an experienced entrepreneur with an empire, or are just starting out—this podcast will help you understand what you need to do in order to turn your dream of being a bestselling author into real life.

  7. Jun 22

    How My Clients Land Six-Figure Book Advances (And How You Can Too)

    Send us Fan Mail A six-figure book deal sounds exciting, but the real story is more honest and more useful than a big number. In this episode of Kind of a Big Book Deal, Meghan Stevenson explains what entrepreneurs, experts, and creators need to understand about traditional publishing advances, literary agents, and the real value of a book deal. Meghan breaks down why publishing is a reputation-based business, why many agents aim for deals of $100,000 or more, and why not every strong proposal lands a massive advance. She shares how market timing, editor interest, competition, and the economy can all affect what a publisher offers. She also explains her 3P Framework™: potential, platform, and proposal, and why those are the pieces authors can actually control. Listeners will walk away with a clearer view of what book advances mean, why lower upfront money does not always mean a weaker book opportunity, and how traditional publishing can create long-term visibility, credibility, speaking opportunities, and business growth. Meghan’s episode about money in publishing can be found at https://www.meghanstevenson.com/podcast/episode-14. Episode Highlights: (0:00) Intro (1:24) Why six figures became the goal (2:45) How literary agents make money (3:13) Publishing as a business model (5:03) Common book deal advance ranges (6:53) The 3P framework for authors (7:41) Why publishing mirrors real estate (9:17) Best deal does not mean biggest deal (10:17) Why lower advances still matter (11:25) Books as business growth tools (13:22) Outro Have a great idea for a book but don't know where to start? MeghanStevenson.com/quiz Traditional publishing expert Meghan Stevenson blasts open the gates of the “Big 5”—Penguin Random House, Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Hachette, and Macmillan—to share what every entrepreneur and expert needs to know about landing a book deal.  In episodes released every Monday, Meghan shares wisdom and stories from 20+ years in publishing as well as interviews with authors, literary agents, and editors. She also answers questions from listeners like you.  Whether you are an experienced entrepreneur with an empire, or are just starting out—this podcast will help you understand what you need to do in order to turn your dream of being a bestselling author into real life.

  8. Jun 15

    Why Bestselling Authors Invest in Book Deals with Dr. Erica Jordan-Thomas

    Send us Fan Mail What if the book deal you want depends less on your idea and more on the business you build around it? In this episode of Kind of a Big Book Deal, Meghan Stevenson sits down with Dr. Erica Jordan-Thomas, founder of 7-Figure Educator™ and forthcoming author of 7-Figure Educator™. Erica shares the real journey behind preparing for a traditional publishing deal, from hearing the hard truth about audience size to spending two years growing her platform with strategy, consistency, and data. She explains why social media growth is not about vanity metrics, but about learning what your audience needs and proving you can sell your message. Erica also opens up about building the team, systems, and support needed to write a book while running a multiple seven-figure business. This episode is a grounded look at authorship, entrepreneurship, visibility, and why expert support can make the publishing process smoother, stronger, and more strategic. Dr. Erica Jordan-Thomas is the CEO and Founder of 7-Figure Educator™, a business development company shifting power in education and closing the racial wealth gap by equipping high-performing educators to build 7-figure consulting businesses. Through her programs, she’s worked with over 20,000 educators nationwide. Her clients earn an average of $92,000 in annual business revenue outside their 9-to-5s, 42% more than the average teacher’s salary. A former math teacher and school principal, Dr. Erica holds degrees from The Ohio State University, Relay Graduate School of Education, and Harvard Graduate School of Education, where she earned her doctorate. She’s also a real estate investor and CEO of Emma & Easter Realty Group, and the forthcoming Hay House author of 7-Figure Educator: Turn Your Experience as an Educator Into Income, Impact, and Freedom, available everywhere books are sold on June 16, 2026. Find Dr. Jordan-Thomas on social  https://www.instagram.com/e_jordanthomas/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/drericajordanthomas/  Episode Highlights: (0:00) Intro (1:34) Meet Dr. Erica Jordan-Thomas (3:00) Starting the publishing journey in 2022 (4:21) Getting direct feedback on audience growth (6:24) Why platform size matters to publishers (9:25) Building a strategic social media presence (11:25) Hiring support without losing your voice (14:41) Preparing the business to write a book (20:06) Using time, joy, and revenue as filters (25:45) Balancing manuscript deadlines and live events (35:47) Finding the right literary agent (39:14) Why New York Times bestseller matters (42:39) Investing in a serious book launch (48:20) The best advice for growing an audience (51:26) Outro Have a great idea for a book but don't know where to start? MeghanStevenson.com/quiz Traditional publishing expert Meghan Stevenson blasts open the gates of the “Big 5”—Penguin Random House, Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins, Hachette, and Macmillan—to share what every entrepreneur and expert needs to know about landing a book deal.  In episodes released every Monday, Meghan shares wisdom and stories from 20+ years in publishing as well as interviews with authors, literary agents, and editors. She also answers questions from listeners like you.  Whether you are an experienced entrepreneur with an empire, or are just starting out—this podcast will help you understand what you need to do in order to turn your dream of being a bestselling author into real life.

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"Kind of a Big Book Deal" is the go-to podcast for entrepreneurs eager to dive into the world of traditional publishing. Hosted by Meghan Stevenson, a seasoned editor with deep roots in the publishing industry, this podcast is perfect for anyone dreaming of topping the bestseller lists. Meghan shares her wealth of experience, including securing over $5 million in book deals for her clients from giants like Penguin and Harper Collins. Each episode is packed with insider tips on snagging a book deal, building a compelling author platform, and the realities of the publishing journey. Meghan's approachable style and candid discussions make learning about the often-intimidating publishing process enjoyable and relatable. She brings on successful authors to share their stories, offers straightforward advice, and answers listener questions, all while keeping things light and engaging. "Kind of a Big Book Deal" isn't just informative—it's like sitting down with a good friend who knows the ins and outs of the publishing world. The podcast airs new episodes every other Friday, providing fresh insights and ongoing support for both budding and seasoned entrepreneurs. Whether you're just starting out or you're looking to expand your reach in the literary world, Meghan's guidance and the vibrant community she fosters can help you navigate your way to publishing success with confidence and a few laughs along the way.