Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice

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Eleanor Lisney (Thoe Chooi Wah) writer and cultural leader, embarks on a journey exploring identity. Her own, and with guests who share her East and South-East Asian Identity. Diving deeper, and exploring the intersections of being disabled, a woman and LGBTQ+. Being from the East, by heritage and adopted by Western Cultures. How do we adapt and negotiate? We get packaged together, but like an onion we can get to the different layers. eleanorlisney.substack.com

  1. JAN 1

    Leaving Mainland China

    On Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice this week I spent some time with Shan, a friend from Coventry who came to keep me company over Christmas. Shan came to the UK from China over 20 years ago. We discussed the unique journeys of mainland Chinese immigrants compared to those from Hong Kong and other regions. We explored the diverse cultural landscape of Coventry, language barriers and cultural adjustments. Plus the voluntary work she does helping Chinese immigrants with employment, and interpreting for a law firm. We touched on the cultural richness of China and the limitations of accessibility in certain regions. We also talked about the Confucius Institute and its impact on cultural exchange despite controversies. There is an increased openness of China to the world, making it easier for people to travel and study abroad. The impact of technology has made the world smaller and more accessible and financial and educational opportunities have attracted younger generations to study in the UK. Catch up with all episodes of Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube Subscribe to the Sisters Of Frida newsletter, bringing disabled women together, mobilising and sharing through lived experiences. Also consider giving a friend a subscription to New Tide Media, a UK-based network that aims to strengthen ESEA voices and perspectives in journalism. Their mission is to bring nuance into anglophone reporting on ESEA and push back on western-centric storytelling that flattens this rich and diverse region. Happy New Year to everyone and wishing you all the best for 2026! As always you can keep up with my work and news here. Please get in touch with me at eleanor.samanthaa@gmail.com if you think I should be highlighting your ESEA organisation on Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit eleanorlisney.substack.com

    34 min
  2. 11/02/2025

    The "Model Minority" and Cultural Identity

    Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice this week is James Lee. You can also listen to this episode on Spotify, YouTube and Apple Podcasts James and I first met at the House of Commons during a campaign to ratify the Istanbul Convention. Since then James' career has taken him from being a trustee at Muscular Dystrophy UK, City Bridge Trust to his current role as director at Publica, an urban design practice. We delved into the intersectionality of race and disability, noting the rise in violence against East and Southeast Asians during COVID-19. We discussed the complexities of addressing racism, disablism, and economic inequality in London and other cities. James shared his experiences as a parent discussing racism with his children and the challenges of accessibility within his community. We also reflected on the privileges and challenges of living in London, highlighting economic disparities and the impact of classism. The recent announcement that Chancellor Rachel Reeves is considering scrapping tax breaks for Motability scheme users as part of a £1 billion budget cut is a move that could severely impact the lives of many disabled individuals in the UK. This scheme is not just about cars; it's about providing independence and accessibility to those who need it most. Sign the petition here As always you can keep up with my work and news here. Please get in touch with me at eleanor.samanthaa@gmail.com if you think I should be highlighting your ESEA organisation on Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit eleanorlisney.substack.com

    43 min
  3. 10/12/2025

    What stories are silenced when history paints over the living?

    In this week's episode of Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice I was delighted to talk to the multi-hyphenate and award winning artist and author Khairani Barokka. We discussed how she first came to the UK, her book, Annah, Infinite, published by Tilted Axis Press in September and why she wrote it. Okka's new book is an experimental work of creative non-fiction that challenges art history, confronts colonial ableism, and reclaims a stolen spirit Catch up with the latest episodes of Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice on Spotify here or on Apple Podcasts below. Okka is a writer, artist, arts consultant, translator and editor from Jakarta. Her work has been presented widely internationally, and centres disability justice as anticolonial praxis, environmental justice, and access as translation. She regularly teaches, mentors, and consults for arts organisations, and has a PhD by Practice in Visual Cultures from Goldsmiths, University of London. Among her many honours, she has been a UNFPA Indonesian Young Leader Driving Social Change, a Delfina Foundation Associate Artist, an Artforum Must-See, and Associate Artist at the UK’s National Centre for Writing. She was the first Poet-in-Residence at Modern Poetry in Translation, and later became the magazine’s first non-British Editor. In 2023, Okka was shortlisted for the Asian Women of Achievement Awards in the Arts and Culture Category. Her books include Indigenous Species (Tilted Axis), Stairs and Whispers: D/deaf and Disabled Poets Write Back (Nine Arches, as co-editor), Rope (Nine Arches),Ultimatum Orangutan (Nine Arches), shortlisted for the 2022 Barbellion Prize, and 2024’s amuk (Nine Arches), longlisted for the Jhalak Prize. ‘Annah, Infinite is a luminous act of reclamation. It’s a text that dares to ask what lies behind a portrait, what stories are silenced when history paints over the living. Disability activist and author Alice Wong calls it “a fascinating exploration” of how pain is written on Annah’s body and how Barokka refuses to look away. Bhanu Kapil sees it as a work staged “at the limit of portraiture,” metabolising the body into presence and absence. Anton Hur describes it as “so precise and empathetic that the reader aches with phantom pain.” And Daisy Rockwell reminds us that it heralds “the birth of a new, yet-to-be-named genre.” ‘A profoundly disturbing, intriguing, and illuminating work—Khairani Barokka is so precise and empathetic that the reader aches with phantom pain.’ — Anton Hur, author of Toward Eternity and 2025 International Booker Prize judge. ‘Through this study of a single canvas and its subject, Barokka presents a brilliant book that defies classification, one that delves into linguistics, colonial history, queer theory and memoir, and is by turns lyrical, angry, tender and pained, harking back to the pioneering work of Linda Nochlin and John Berger, but blazing a new trail that is as unexpected as it is enthralling.’ — Frank Wynne, The Irish Times As always you can keep up with my work and news here. Please get in touch with me at eleanor.samanthaa@gmail.com if you think I should be highlighting your ESEA organisation on Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit eleanorlisney.substack.com

    44 min
  4. 08/31/2025

    Filipinos on the Frontlines

    This week I sat down with the brilliant James Olabre. James is the Operations and Development Manager at Transport for London. We were both directors at EVR (End Violence and Racism Against ESEA Communities) now rebranded as Sesame.Over the years we have met at events but never quite managed to have a proper chat. I wanted to know more about him as a friend, and his life as a Filipino in the UK. In this episode we spoke about food, Filipino karaoke and how we navigate living in London as part of the ESEA community. This week our conversation felt even more poignant because of Apple, an NHS worker who was assaulted and racially abused in Manor Heath Park, Halifax. Apple is a NHS nurse from the Philippines with 15 years of service. She was racially abused and assaulted while walking with her family on 28th August. In a social media post, she shared her feelings after the attack stating, “After what happened, it only validated my decision [to leave]. I love what I do, but some people aren’t worth my time or my care.” She added, “Justice must be served.” West Yorkshire Police reported that a white man and woman, both in their 60s, targeted Apple’s family with racist abuse. A bystander who intervened and Apple’s mother were also assaulted. The couple demanded to know if the nurse, who has worked for the NHS for 12 years, 'came here on a rubber boat' and hurled water and grabbed her hair during the assault The police have made two arrests. Catch up with all episodes of Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice on Spotify, Apple Podcasts and YouTube Recently I went to the launch of New Tide Media, a UK-based network that aims to strengthen ESEA voices and perspectives in journalism. Their mission is to bring nuance into anglophone reporting on ESEA and push back on western-centric storytelling that flattens this rich and diverse region. According to a 2025 report by the Reuters Institute, Asian and Asian British people make up 9 per cent of the United Kingdom’s population, but only three per cent are journalists (90 per cent of journalists are White). In the past ten years, there’s been no significant change in the percentage of journalists from underrepresented ethnic backgrounds working in the UK’s journalism industry, the report says. Journalists of Asian heritage are also underrepresented in American newsrooms. But in the US, there are established networks such as the Asian American Journalist’s Association, that support community members working in the industry and advocate for their interests. Find New Tide Media on Instagram here Keep up with my work and news here. Please get in touch with me at eleanor.samanthaa@gmail.com if you think I should be highlighting your ESEA organisation on Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit eleanorlisney.substack.com

    36 min
  5. 07/01/2025

    Staying Authentic in the Arts

    Very pleased to have Jasmine Thien on Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice this week. Jasmine is a fully blind, Bruneian born Chinese actor, writer, spoken word artist and stand up comedian. Her work explores intersectionality, ableism, culture and trauma in ways that are authentic while remaining accessible to all. Jasmine has written a semi autobiographical play called I Dream in Colour. She will be performing at the Omnibus Theatre 22nd/ 23rd July and at the Edinburgh Fringe. We first met though a mutual friend and subsequently realised we were neighbours! After listening to her podcast on Disability Arts Online about her intersectional experience of the performing arts as a disabled migrant to the UK and finding out she is from Brunei, I knew she had to come on the show. We talked about her upcoming play, future plans and explored the similarity in our backgrounds and experiences as disabled people. You can find Jasmine on instagram @ jasminethiencreative Catch up with past episodes of Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice on Spotify here or on Apple Podcasts below. This Week in Disability News MPs voted through the disability benefits bill with a majority of 75 today after facing major opposition from all Disability organisations, advocates and some members of the press. A total of 335 MPs voted in favour of the bill, while 260 voted for the proposals to be dropped. There was fierce opposition from some in the chamber who argued that the “brutal cuts would push hundreds of thousands of vulnerable, sick and disabled people into poverty”. The Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill will now go to the third stage in parliament, and will face another vote. The government says they will wait for the outcome of the review led by Work and Pensions Minister Sir Stephen Timms - now set to include input from disabled people. However this is simply not good enough and there will be an opportunity to fight it in the House of Lords where it will be debated further. "Expecting disabled people of today to turn our back on disabled people of tomorrow is unreasonable and it will never happen." Photos from the vigil outside parliament today. DPAC (Disabled People Against Cuts) has said they will be making a list of MPs who vote in favour and will make sure they lose their seats at the next General Election and that their disabled constituents hound them until then. #TakingThePIP #WelfareNotWarfare #DisabilityBenefits Keep up with my work and news on my linktr.ee here This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit eleanorlisney.substack.com

    27 min
  6. 05/24/2025

    The Personal is Political

    This week I sat down with Pierre Tran. Pierre is a Paris based reporter, who has worked for specialist websites, newspapers, international news agencies, and magazines, covering corporate news, politics and financial markets. He has also been a sub-editor. Pierre and I first met in 2023 at the National Union of Journalists Delegates Meeting in London. We had lunch together with other union members, and since then I've followed his reporting. When I was last in Paris, we met up and I got him to agree to record an episode of Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice. I know nothing about defence and weapons so when he came to London for this year's NUJ delegates meeting it seemed like the perfect opportunity! Catch up with past episodes of Between Nasi Goreng and Fried Rice here. This Week in Disability News Lots of us gathered in Westminister this week for a mass lobby to challenge our elected representatives about the government's proposed cuts to disability benefit. PIP (Personal Independence Payment) is a benefit to help towards some of the extra costs that come with having a long-term health condition or disability that is expected to last 12 months or longer. Follow Disabled People Against Cuts on Instagram to keep informed. The ‘First Report of the Work and Pensions Committee, Safeguarding vulnerable claimant’ has been published. One witness said they felt as if "a system that is meant to wrap its arms around us is strangling us”. “Having choice is only valid if it’s a meaningful choice, and for many disabled people we strongly fear it won’t be.” A disabled MP has dropped his support for the assisted suicide bill, largely because of concerns that “broken” social care and palliative care services could push terminally-ill people into seeking an assisted death. Steve Darling MP told Disability News Service (DNS) this week that he had not yet decided how he would vote on the bill’s third reading, which is likely to take place next month, but he said he had moved from being “marginally in favour” of the bill at its second reading last November, to now being “marginally against”. Keep up with my work and news on my linktr.ee here This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit eleanorlisney.substack.com

    29 min
  7. 04/21/2025

    Craving Something Real

    I first met Anthony Leung when I was hotdesking at the Design district. Anthony is the founder of Mean Write Hook, a media and marketing company with vision. He moved from Hong Kong to Canada and then to London. In our conversation, he talks about the impact living in such different places has had on him - he feels as much Canadian as he does being from Hong Kong. We also talked about cultural influences from food to music to sport. We talked about his work, what he does and future plans. ICYMI catch up on my conversation with Dr. Ahneez Abdul Hameed last week here This month in Disability News A petition has been launched to protect disabled people who cannot work from planned cuts to benefits. The pandemic widened the gap between current financial support and the extra cost of living for Disabled people; the government’s proposed cuts will worsen this. Forcing people to work will strain the fragile NHS. Disabled people should not be punished for being unable to work. Sign the petition here. The government must respond to all petitions that get more than 10,000 signatures. At 100,000 signatures, Parliament should debate their proposed changes. David*, from Salisbury, was found dead in his home in February, just weeks after his personal independence payment (PIP) had been stopped when he failed to return a review form. Conservative councillors responsible for housing, social care, public health and safeguarding have all refused to comment on *David's death after he was found in distressing conditions after the wrongful removal of his disability benefits. Full story here. Leading disabled people’s organisations (DPO) have written to work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall to express “serious concerns” about the human rights implications of her “incredibly dangerous” plans to cut spending on disability benefits. They say in the letter that her consultation on the Pathways to Work green paper, launched officially this week after the long-awaited publication of accessible versions of the document, is a “sham”. And they have called on her to withdraw the consultation, postpone imminent legislation – due within weeks – until all the proposed measures can be subjected to proper and accessible consultation, and provide accessible versions of all documents relating to the proposals. Read more at Disability News Service Keep up with my work and news on my linktr.ee here This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit eleanorlisney.substack.com

    33 min
  8. 04/06/2025

    Crossing Continents

    Dr. Ahneez Abdul Hameed is a Malaysian medical doctor specialising in clinical microbiology. She's also my friend and classmates' daughter from back home in Malaysia. I met her as a child when her mother, Begum came to the UK to do her postgraduate studies. We caught up recently when Ahneez came here to do some exchange work. I asked her to make some time to do a podcast with me, and she graciously agreed. By day, Ahneez is unraveling the mysteries of microbes, and by evening—or on her days outside the hospital—she is a cafe-hopping, globe-trotting foodie with a love for pretty skies, lush gardens, vibrant flowers, Michael Jackson’s timeless beats, the magic of musicals, and the purr-fect company of cats. It was wonderful to hear about her professional life in Malaysia as a medical doctor since I had no idea of the work she does there. In 2022 I did an interview for the Royal Society of Arts about the social model of disability. Here's an excerpt. Social model of disability: five decades on: I was not in the UK half a century ago. I was born and bred in Malaysia, so I did not learn about the social model until I came back to the UK in the early 2000s. What changed for me is the realisation that I can demand reasonable adjustments and access was not my individual responsibility. I became part of Disabled People Against Cuts (DPAC) and protested disability and benefit cuts and demanded disabled people’s rights and independent living. It started me and others on the route to what is now disability justice. The social model has also included an international understanding of intersectionality. We are not isolated in what oppresses us, be it discrimination and oppression due to being disabled, poor, working class, lack of status, citizenship, qualifications, age, ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation. We can have mixed identities. In our fight for human rights for disabled people, we cannot ignore those compounded oppressions are also in structural inequalities. What about rights for refugees or BIPOC (black, indigenous and other people of colour)– many of whom are also disabled? Or women? Sisters of Frida was formed with the understanding that disabled women’s struggles were not included in mainstream disability discussions. But we also pick up voices from the disabled community with an intersectional perspective. It is good that the disabled community seems to be also picking up on this need to include different identities against dis/ableism. Stay connected with my social media and work here. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit eleanorlisney.substack.com

    29 min

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Eleanor Lisney (Thoe Chooi Wah) writer and cultural leader, embarks on a journey exploring identity. Her own, and with guests who share her East and South-East Asian Identity. Diving deeper, and exploring the intersections of being disabled, a woman and LGBTQ+. Being from the East, by heritage and adopted by Western Cultures. How do we adapt and negotiate? We get packaged together, but like an onion we can get to the different layers. eleanorlisney.substack.com