We've Got To Talk

Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway
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Our story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringings—Jolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Area—we became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides. So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it! We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of them—but we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day.

  1. 4d ago

    "Bridgers vs. Dividers: The Report Card That Could Change the Midterms "

    Most of us don’t actually want “our side” to win. We want the country to work, with less chaos, less political theatre, and fewer people getting rich off outrage while nothing gets fixed. This week we welcomed Brad Porteus from Bridge Grades back onto the podcast, and his idea is refreshingly simple. Bridge Grades is a congressional report card that doesn’t measure ideology, it measures collaboration. It uses nonpartisan, third-party data to score how lawmakers govern, so you can get a clearer read on who builds across the aisle and who fuels division. What hit us most is how much this challenges the way we’re trained to vote. Most people don’t vote based on effectiveness; they vote based on identity, fear, habit, or revenge, and if you’re deeply loyal to a party, a report card probably won’t change your mind. The bigger opportunity is everyone else, especially the exhausted middle and the millions of eligible Americans who didn’t vote last election because they don’t trust anyone and don’t see the point. If you’re curious, use Bridge Grades as a second lens before the next election. Look up your lawmakers, notice what happens in your own head when you see a grade you didn’t expect, and ask what we’re rewarding as a culture. Because if we keep voting like it’s a tribal loyalty test, we’re going to keep getting tribal outcomes, and we’ll all keep sitting here wondering why nothing works. CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 Introduction 00:21 Meet Brad and Bridge Grades 01:49 How the Scoring Works 07:29 Legislative Metrics Explained 11:22 Gaming the Bipartisan Score 13:47 Performative Bridging Debate 17:37 Exhausted Middle and Independents 20:29 Bridgers at Risk in Swing Seats 28:26 Roasting Government Dysfunction 31:41 Texas Race Trust Issues 34:14 Breaking Tribal Partisanship 36:32 Reaching the Disengaged Millions 38:05 Shift from Party to Ideology RESOURCES MENTIONED: Brad's Good for the Soul: Otis Cutts Old Music Friday: https://www.instagram.com/owencutts/?hl=en LINKS: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2 How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/ How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

    "Bridgers vs. Dividers: The Report Card That Could Change the Midterms "

  2. Sep 23

    What If We Replaced Politicians With Regular People Picked by Lottery?

    We’ve lost a lot of trust in politicians in America, and it’s not hard to see why. Politics feels like a permanent campaign where leaders are performing, fundraising, and protecting their careers while the real problems keep getting worse. Our guest is Adam Cronkright, creator of the film Goodbye Politicians Hello Democracy, which explores a bold alternative to the current political system. Adam’s idea is simple but disruptive: replace career politicians with ordinary citizens selected by lottery, supported with experts and staff, and asked to make decisions on behalf of their communities. It’s a conversation about democratic lotteries, citizen assemblies, and what “government by the people” could actually mean in practice. We talk about why elections often produce a political class instead of real representation, and how incentives like party loyalty, media attention, and fundraising have turned politics into theatre. Adam shares what happened when 30 regular people in Michigan were selected during 2020 to work through pandemic decisions together, and why good faith disagreement becomes possible when nobody is angling for re-election or scoring points for social media. If you’re tired of political polarisation, the two-party system, and the feeling that you’re just a spectator in your own democracy, this episode offers a hopeful, practical reframe. It’s about accountability, trust, civic participation, and whether citizens could govern more effectively than professional politicians. CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 Introduction 00:22 Meet Adam Cronkright 05:19 Why Make This Film 07:18 Democratic Lottery Explained 09:17 How Selection Works 14:07 Where Democracy Goes Next 18:10 A Post Party System 22:25 Pushback and Corruption 27:34 Extremes and Being Heard 30:19 How to Watch the Film RESOURCES MENTIONED: Goodbye Politicians, Hello Democracy: https://goodbyepoliticians.movie/ Adam's Good for the Soul: My Unsung Hero podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/my-unsung-hero/id1586880312 https://open.spotify.com/show/2lBDAGE8UkizPEC2ZjmgaP LINKS: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2 How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/ How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

    What If We Replaced Politicians With Regular People Picked by Lottery?

  3. Sep 16

    How to Talk to “The Enemy” with Larry Rosen

    Politics can feel like a loyalty test now. Like you are either on the right team, or you are a threat. In this conversation with Larry Rosen, attorney turned mediator and host of The Enemies Project YouTube docuseries, we talk about what happens when people stop seeing each other as humans and start treating politics like a team sport. Larry’s work sits right in the middle of the biggest problems in political polarization and social division: we assume intention, we fill in the blanks with the worst story, and we turn disagreement into moral war. We unpack why conflict is rarely just about the surface issue, how “enemy making” works, and why curiosity feels like betrayal when the nervous system is in threat mode. We also get into Larry’s approach to depolarization and conflict resolution, including rapport-building, extreme perspective taking, and the moment that changes everything: helping people understand what the other person is trying to protect. It is not about forcing agreement. It is about making it harder to keep the other side as a cartoon, and easier to have hard conversations without dehumanising each other. If you care about bridging the political divide, civil discourse, and how to talk to people you disagree with without damaging your relationships beyond repair, this one will land. It is a reminder that healing is not soft, and it is not naive; it is one of the only paths out of the loop we are stuck in. CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 Introduction 00:22 Meet Larry Rosen 02:50 From Lawyer to Mediator 05:43 Why Enemies Project Started 12:20 Enemies Project Format 15:49 Extreme Perspective Taking 19:37 Healthy Conflict Zone 23:33 Platforming and Safety 30:38 Casting Real Enemies 34:29 Why Activists Fight 35:39 Low Empathy And AI 42:22 Future Of Enemies Project RESOURCES MENTIONED: https://www.enemiesproject.org/ Larry's Good for the Soul: https://youtube.com/shorts/aFuuyibkx1Q?si=MhVJvWhH5SMGPDdb LINKS: On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701 On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2 How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/ How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

    How to Talk to “The Enemy” with Larry Rosen

  4. Sep 9

    Liberal and Conservative: 5 Questions We've Always Wanted to Ask

    We are back in the Ozarks for our second annual in-person recording at Jolene’s house, and we decided to ask each other a handful of questions we have thought about asking, but never have. We start with something deceptively simple: why Jolene hides how funny (and sometimes crass) she is on the podcast. It turns into a bigger conversation about authenticity, self-censoring, and how exhausting it is to try to be inoffensive all the time. In a culture where politics feels performative and everyone is bracing for outrage, being real can feel risky, but it is also what makes people relatable. From there we get into the harder stuff: what Nicole struggles to defend about the Democratic Party, and what Republican beliefs she actually agrees with. We talk about political extremes, the national debt, homelessness, cost of living, and why so many people can “smell” consultant language and talking points a mile away. It is less about scoring points and more about thinking clearly, even when your own side is messy. If you are tired of political polarization, tribalism, and the feeling that every conversation is a loyalty test, this episode is a reminder that there is another way through, and it starts with staying human long enough to listen. CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 Introduction 00:35 Five Questions Challenge 01:07 Why Not More Humor 05:44 Democrats Hard To Defend 11:13 Holding Back On Air 15:35 Common Ground With GOP 17:27 Questioning Beliefs ALICE 25:13 Three Laws As President 26:47 Voter ID Accountability 27:14 Reining In Executive Orders 28:26 Stocks PACs and Lobbyists 30:27 Why AI Feels Dangerous 35:02 Everyday AI and Kids 37:27 Dream Administration Picks 43:25 Cross Party Leadership Idea 44:37 Personal Secrets and Shyness 47:07 Pickup Truck Life Lesson RESOURCES MENTIONED: Larry Rosen of The Enemies Project: https://www.enemiesproject.org/ WGTT United for Alice episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWR77jzh1aQ Gwen Stefani- Hollerback Girl: https://youtu.be/Kgjkth6BRRY?si=p_xkfcscFsHegSD4 Patsy Cline- Crazy: https://youtu.be/MbnrdCS57d0?si=H7N6gdb9DX4JBp3m Dolly Parton-Jolene: https://youtu.be/Ixrje2rXLMA?si=k6qzW_ix_5MwiX9G Ray LaMontagne- Jolene: https://youtu.be/YTjKotAu4xQ?si=VX_9eYc6Xxd3GLTB Cruise Inn Throttle Down: https://cruise-inns.com/ Congress Stock Trading: https://www.quiverquant.com/congresstrading/ Van Jones interview with Bill Gates: https://vanjones.substack.com/p/my-bill-gates-interview-on-ai-global?r=n7so4&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web×tamp=1.2 Brooke L. Rollins, Secretary of Agriculture: https://www.usda.gov/our-agency/about-usda/our-secretary Senator Jeff Merkley: https://www.merkley.senate.gov/ Governor Mikie Sherill: https://www.nj.gov/governor/ Courage Can Save Us Book: https://couragecansaveus.com/ With Honor: https://withhonor.org/ Rahm Emanuel: https://www.instagram.com/rahmemanuel/?hl=en Sarah Longwell of The Bulwark: https://www.longwellpartners.com/sarah-longwell/ LINKS: On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701 On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2 How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/ How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

    Liberal and Conservative: 5 Questions We've Always Wanted to Ask

  5. Sep 2

    Liberal and Conservative Compare: Fox News vs MSNOW

    A year and a half ago, when we started our podcast, Jolene and I had an uncomfortable realization. We weren’t just “watching the news”; we were watching news that already agreed with us. Jolene had her conservative media, I had my liberal media, and even when we landed on the same basic facts, the emotional tone was completely different depending on what we’d been consuming. Same country, same week, two totally different versions of reality shaped by cable news and political commentary. So we cleaned up our media diet and started looking for sources that show more than one angle, like Ground News, Tangle, Mo News, 1440, and Straight Arrow News. We wanted to be less easily manipulated by algorithms and outrage, and better able to have civil conversations across political differences. If you’ve been searching for “balanced news sources,” “media bias chart,” or “how to avoid political echo chambers,” this is exactly the road we started walking. Then my husband Josh, suggested a new experiment: a full week of Fox News and MSNOW (full immersion, no cherry-picked clips). I know it’s a shock to hear this, but it did not make us smarter. It made us anxious. Both networks seemed to run the same play, just with different villains: keep you slightly scared, slightly angry, and just certain enough that you don’t go looking elsewhere. It wasn’t “here’s what happened,” it was “here’s what happened, here’s who to blame, and here’s why you should be worried.” What really stung is how normal it feels when you’re in it daily. It feels like being responsible, like staying informed, like doing your civic duty. But after a week, we could see the pattern clearly: less clarity, more defensiveness, more judgement, and more confidence about things we hadn’t actually researched. We talk about how 24-hour news cycles turn commentary into the product, why outrage is profitable, and what to do instead, including tools like Ad Fontes Media, reading across sources, and the simplest antidote of all: get back into real life, talk to actual humans, and take action in your community instead of marinating in rage. CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 Introduction 01:36 One Week Fox vs MSNBC 02:09 Three Takeaways From Jolene 04:05 Nicole’s Takeaways 06:33 Bias Charts And Better Sources 07:39 Big Stories Compared 09:58 Spin On Trump And Iran 14:07 Quit Doomscrolling All Day 19:59 How To Research Without Bias 25:00 Do Something With The News RESOURCES MENTIONED: We've Got To Talk Swamping News Sources for 10 days episode: https://youtu.be/5wtPeP8XwAk?si=pzJ5Ef_KL8gz5Yaw Fox News Hourly Update: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fox-news-hourly-update/id209991975 Morning Joe podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/morning-joe/id974299441 Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/ MSNOW: https://www.ms.now/ Ad Fontes Media Bias Chart: https://app.adfontesmedia.com/chart/interactive?utm_source=adfontesmedia&utm_medium=website Tangle News: https://www.readtangle.com/ Mo News: https://www.mo.news/ Straight Arrow News: https://san.com/ Ground News: https://ground.news/ 1440: https://join1440.com/ Isaac Saul of Tangle Ted Talk: https://youtu.be/543mYKKh1EE?si=aEscLTxkXbGx39IR LINKS: On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701 On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2 How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/ How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

    Liberal and Conservative Compare: Fox News vs MSNOW

  6. Aug 26

    Will Social Security run out in 2032?

    They’re saying Social Security could run out by 2032, and that timeline is close enough to feel real. We talk through what that warning actually means for everyday Americans, especially if you’ve got parents, grandparents, a spouse, or a future self who’s been assuming this safety net will be there. This isn’t a “someday” problem. It’s a real deadline that’s already shaping what comes next. We also clear up the most common question people ask: “Is Social Security really going to run out?” The program doesn’t just vanish overnight, but the money set aside to pay full benefits is projected to fall short, and if Congress does nothing, automatic benefit cuts become the default. That’s why this matters beyond politics, because Social Security is a monthly lifeline for millions of people, not a talking point. A lot of people forget Social Security isn’t only about retirement. It covers disability benefits, survivor benefits, and the kind of support that keeps families afloat after a death, an accident, or a diagnosis. We talk about why the silence around Social Security is so dangerous, and why it keeps getting pushed aside even though it affects real lives, real bills, and real dignity. Finally, we get into the frustrating part: there’s actually bipartisan agreement that something needs to be done, but the incentives reward delay. We walk through the kinds of solutions lawmakers keep circling, like raising the payroll tax cap, changing payroll taxes, adjusting benefits for higher earners, raising the retirement age and why every option comes with trade-offs. CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 Introduction 00:46 Why Social Security Now 03:17 What Social Security Covers 04:27 Fixes Taxes Benefits Age 08:57 Congress Performance Problem 11:08 The Payroll Tax Cap 12:55 Big Beautiful Bill Impact 22:08 Donut Hole Explained 25:26 Raising Age And Investing 29:55 More System Pressures 32:29 Rapid Fire Solutions 33:58 Seniors With No Savings 34:44 Means Testing Debate 35:54 Tax Breaks For Giving Back 36:57 Teaching Money And Debt 37:54 Baby Bonds And Investing 39:13 Bipartisan Fix Now 39:53 Taxing Wages And Capital 43:30 No Benefit Cuts 45:40 Congress Needs Focus 47:06 Call Your Congressperson RESOURCES MENTIONED: Original clip from viewer: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DavOpqYgTi6/ CSPAN: Senate Social Security Meeting: March 25, 2026 https://www.c-span.org/program/senate-committee/senate-budget-committee-examines-social-security-solvency/676234 August 5, 2026 Senate Finance Committee SS Solvency: https://youtu.be/M4ZUg7woHAs?si=P4RUx90pd7xy7eyz August 4, 2026: Dick Durbin and Bill Cassidy Crosspartisan https://www.c-span.org/program/us-senate/sens-cassidy-and-durbin-on-social-security-insolvency/683706 Bridge Grades: https://www.bridgegrades.org/ Japanese 7/Eleven Egg Salad: https://www.7-eleven.com/products/fresh-chilled/egg-salad Bonus Recipe!!! https://www.foodandwine.com/japanese-7-eleven-egg-salad-sandwich-6416077 Zach Bryan: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwK3C8Vgphad4PweezfUBAQ Dierks Bentley: https://dierks.com/ Nascar: https://www.nascar.com/ LINKS: On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701 On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2 How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/ How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

    Will Social Security run out in 2032?

  7. Aug 19

    How Future Caucus Gets Republicans and Democrats to Work Together

    We walked away from our conversation with Layla Zaidane feeling something we don’t always feel after talking about politics: hope. Layla is the President and CEO of Future Caucus, and her whole approach is built around a simple idea that changes everything. If young lawmakers across party lines can know each other as people first, the work changes. The temperature drops, the incentives shift, and bipartisan cooperation stops feeling like a miracle and starts feeling like a skill. Layla also shared the personal story behind why she does this work, from her family’s journey from Morocco to growing up in the shadow of 9/11 and the identity questions that followed. Listening to her, it’s easy to understand how someone ends up committed to diplomacy, civic leadership, and bridging divides. She’s not chasing a shiny version of politics. She’s trying to build a more human one, and that matters in a time when political polarisation is treated like entertainment. We talked about Future Summit, which is basically a mid-year reset for state legislators who are tired, stretched thin, and trying to keep going. There are real policy wins and serious conversations, but there’s also joy and connection because trust doesn’t grow in a vacuum. If you can’t laugh together, you’re not going to legislate together, and Future Caucus seems to understand that relationships are not a side quest. They are the work. We also got into the hard realities facing young people in politics, like the cost of running for office, low pay, burnout, threats, and rising political violence. Layla was blunt about what it will take to keep good people in public service: structural support, better compensation, stronger staffing, and systems that make the job sustainable. If you’ve been searching for how to reduce political division, how to rebuild trust in democracy, or how to have civil political conversations across party lines, this one is a hopeful reminder that better models exist, and they’re already being built. CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 Introduction 00:21 Meet Layla Zaidane 01:13 Roots and 9/11 03:28 From Recession to Politics 07:14 Founding Future Caucus 09:47 How the Caucuses Work 16:20 Generations and Leadership 26:49 Why Young People Run 30:32 Inside Future Summit 35:46 Money Fundraising Hurdles 36:53 Retention Beyond One Term 37:45 Legislator Pay Reality 45:41 Political Violence Crisis 49:30 Solidarity Disagree Better RESOURCES MENTIONED: Future Caucus: https://futurecaucus.org/Future Caucus Exit Interview: https://futurecaucus.org/the-exit-interview/ Layla’s Podcast, Terms of Service: https://youtu.be/Nkbhx-o4FY0?si=fLud5hpQ4jlohHxj Layla’s Good for the Soul: The Little Prince: https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/157993.The_Little_Prince LINKS: On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701 On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2 How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/ How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

    How Future Caucus Gets Republicans and Democrats to Work Together

  8. Aug 12

    The problem with my political party is.....

    Accountability and common ground shouldn’t feel like rare collectibles in American politics, but lately that’s exactly what they are. In this episode, we ask the question a lot of exhausted Americans are asking right now: what is wrong with our political parties? We talk honestly about feeling a bit party-less, even while coming from different political leanings. Jolene is worn down by what Trump is doing and what parts of the Republican Party keep excusing, while Nicole is frustrated by the idea that the only path forward for Democrats is to become a far-left mirror image of the same chaos. The bigger point is how both sides can get trapped in a reactive loop where tribalism, outrage, and constant escalation are rewarded, and reasonable people are treated like they’re naive. From there, the conversation shifts to what most people actually want: safety, stability, and a government that doesn’t feel like a reality show. We dig into the “exhausted majority”, the people who aren’t screaming online all day and would love to see something almost radical in 2026: bipartisan cooperation and cross-party collaboration. They also get into why Congress feels broken, why executive orders keep whiplashing the country, and why durable laws require compromise, even when it’s uncomfortable. We also chat about the “America First” debate and why that phrase hits differently depending on who’s saying it. We then discuss why decency needs to be the way forward. Character matters, truth matters, and party loyalty shouldn’t be a free pass. If you’re tired of political chaos, culture war theatre, and leaders who perform for the loudest edges, this episode is a grounded conversation about voting (especially in primaries), rewarding adults in the room, and remembering that labels are meant to describe us, not trap us. CHAPTER MARKERS:00:00 Introduction 01:00 Democrats: Three Problems 02:52 Republicans Spending and Identity 03:29 Immigration and ICE Concerns 04:40 America First and Tariffs 08:39 Congress Is Broken 12:34 Language and Media Triggers 17:16 Bipartisan Budget Fixes 21:42 Extremes and Decency Debate 25:59 Collaboration Over Compromise 28:56 Vote in Primaries 33:01 Would You Rather Segment 35:09 Sponsor Plug and Wrap RESOURCES MENTIONED: Congress is Broken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJmJTofEN3E Isaac Saul’s Ted Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/isaac_saul_3_ideas_for_communicating_across_the_political_divide?utm_campaign=tedspread&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=tedcomshare Lalshareef: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbHAbAgOA4u/ Brad Porteus of Bridge Grades on MO News: https://lnkd.in/p/gQUQxSMN Dan Goldman District 10: https://www.instagram.com/repdangoldman/?hl=en Jolene’s Dible Dough: https://dibledough.com/ Our Website: https://www.wevegottotalk.com/ LINKS: On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/wevegottotalk/ On YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WeveGotToTalk On Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/weve-got-to-talk/id1797423701 On Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0qJVgTvjciUffRmoUienx2 How to find Nicole https://nicolefonarow.com/ How to find Jolene https://dibledough.com/

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Our story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringings—Jolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Area—we became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides. So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it! We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of them—but we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day.

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  • Creator
    Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    87
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    Explicit
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    © Copyright 2026 Nicole Fonarow and Jolene Conway
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