The Non-Billable Podcast

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The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm, and brought to you by Non-Billable, the legal media platform for City lawyers, in-house counsel, and legal professionals.

  1. 4d ago

    Richard Medd on Browne Jacobson’s growth strategy

    Richard Medd, managing partner of Browne Jacobson, joins the podcast to discuss how the firm has doubled revenue over the past six years - revenue for the most recent financial year came in at a record £149m - and the strategy behind its recent growth. He explains why Browne Jacobson has invested heavily across its UK and Ireland network, the thinking behind its expanding London presence, and why he believes firms can be both ambitious and culture-driven. The conversation explores the firm's approach to lateral hiring, its growing private equity, technology and real estate practices, and why Medd sees London as an increasingly important part of the firm's long-term strategy rather than simply a shop window for clients. He also discusses Browne Jacobson's expansion into Ireland and how the firm thinks about international growth. We also discuss AI and legal technology, including the firm's rollout of Legora, how AI is changing the delivery of legal services, and why judgment and commercial context will remain critical skills for lawyers. Finally, Medd shares his views on external investment in law firms, why private capital is unlikely to transform the upper end of the UK legal market overnight, and what the next phase of growth looks like for Browne Jacobson. Chapters 00:01 Introduction 00:40 Richard Medd's journey to managing Browne Jacobson 01:26 The strategy behind Browne Jacobson's rapid growth 06:33 Why London has become central to the firm's ambitions 15:01 Expanding into Ireland and what's next for the firm 18:55 Rolling out AI across Browne Jacobson 21:43 How AI will change legal services and lawyer training 24:59 External investment and private capital in law firms 28:13 Will a top UK law firm take external capital? About Non-Billable Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals across private practice, in-house and legal tech. Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

    Richard Medd on Browne Jacobson’s growth strategy

  2. Jul 14

    What Microsoft expects from its law firms in the AI era

    Rebecca Anderson, Microsoft's head of legal for EMEA, joins the podcast to discuss how the in-house function at one of the world's biggest tech companies is adapting to the AI era. She explains why Microsoft has overhauled its legal operating model, how AI is changing the role of lawyers, and why the function is increasingly becoming a strategic partner to the business rather than simply a legal adviser. The conversation explores how Microsoft is deploying AI across its own legal department, from AI-powered legal triage to contract drafting and decision-making tools. Anderson also shares how the company thinks about legal tech, why the operating model matters as much as the tools themselves, and how Microsoft's lawyers are using AI to move away from repetitive work towards higher-value strategic advice. We also discuss what Microsoft now expects from its external law firms in the age of AI, why AI fluency has become a baseline requirement, and how firms can differentiate themselves beyond simply adopting new technology. Finally, Anderson shares her thoughts on the future of the profession, the new legal roles emerging alongside AI, and the skills lawyers will need to thrive over the next decade. Chapters 00:01 Introduction 00:45 From private practice to leading Microsoft's EMEA legal team 03:55 Rebuilding Microsoft's legal operating model for the AI era 09:40 How Microsoft is using AI inside its own legal department 18:00 Microsoft's legal tech strategy and the future of contract review 19:40 What Microsoft now expects from its external law firms 29:30 The changing role of the in-house lawyer 35:25 What Microsoft looks for when hiring lawyers 36:30 The future of legal work in the age of AI About Non-Billable Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals across private practice, in-house and legal tech. Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

    What Microsoft expects from its law firms in the AI era

  3. Jun 30

    Sidley executive committee chair Brian Fahrney on London, talent and the global elite

    Brian Fahrney, chair of Sidley Austin's executive committee, joins the podcast to discuss the firm's transformation into one of the fastest-growing US law firms in London. He explains why Sidley spent years investing in private equity, how the strategy reshaped its London office, and why the firm remains bullish on the London market. The conversation explores the growing importance of the "NYLON corridor", why US clients increasingly expect seamless transatlantic legal advice, and how Sidley thinks about growth, lateral hiring and building market-leading practices on both sides of the Atlantic. We also discuss AI, law firm culture and leadership, as well as why Fahrney believes the legal industry is consolidating into a smaller group of global firms with the scale to invest in talent, technology and client service. Finally, Fahrney shares his outlook for the next decade of Big Law and explains what he believes will separate the industry's winners from the rest. The Non-Billable Podcast is sponsored by Legora. To find out more about Legora, visit: https://legora.com/ Chapters 00:01 Introduction 01:20 Sidley's growth story and Brian's path to executive committee chair 04:46 Running a global law firm 07:00 Why talent is critical to Sidley’s strategy 11:56 How Sidley’s London office became a private capital platform 15:46 The deliberate push into private equity 17:49 Why the NYLON corridor matters 24:16 Big Law consolidation and the firms pulling away 29:08 Partnership structures, talent development and future leaders About Non-Billable Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals across private practice, in-house and legal tech. Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

    Sidley executive committee chair Brian Fahrney on London, talent and the global elite

  4. Jun 24

    BCLP senior partner Segun Osuntokun on growth, mergers and weekend emails

    Segun Osuntokun, senior partner at BCLP, joins the podcast to discuss leadership, firm strategy and what it takes to run a global law firm while continuing to practise as a partner. Having held senior leadership roles at the firm for more than seven years, he reflects on BCLP's recent return to growth and the long-term strategy behind it. The conversation explores the lessons learned from the merger between Berwin Leighton Paisner and Bryan Cave, why Osuntokun believes successful integrations must start with clients rather than firm economics, and his views on the current wave of transatlantic law firm combinations reshaping the market. We also discuss mental health, sustainable leadership and the demands of modern legal practice. Osuntokun shares his perspective on resilience, the importance of wellbeing in a people business, and the comments that sparked debate across the profession about sending non-urgent emails at weekends. The Non-Billable Podcast is sponsored by Legora. To find out more about Legora, visit: https://legora.com/ Chapters 00:01 Introduction 01:36 From Nigeria to City law and becoming BCLP senior partner 04:26 BCLP's return to growth and the strategy behind it 07:35 How BCLP positions itself in the transatlantic legal market 09:12 Lessons from the Bryan Cave and BLP merger 13:34 US versus UK law firm culture: more similar than different? 15:47 Life as senior partner and balancing leadership with client work 18:19 Weekend emails, mental health and sustainable leadership 24:01 The future of Big Law, scale and BCLP's growth plans About Non-Billable Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals across private practice, in-house and legal tech. Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

    BCLP senior partner Segun Osuntokun on growth, mergers and weekend emails

  5. Jun 16

    Private equity and the future of law firms | Podcast special

    Private equity investment in law firms has become one of the most talked-about trends in the legal industry. But how much is actually happening? Why are investors interested in legal services, and what does outside capital mean for the traditional partnership model? In this special edition of the podcast, Oliver is joined by Patrick Savage (Burford Capital), Peter Jackson (former managing partner of Hill Dickinson), Adil Taha (legal industry consultant), and Oscar Dean (Grant Thornton) for a candid discussion about the future of law firm ownership. The panel explores why legal has become attractive to investors, whether private equity activity has slowed in recent months, what makes a law firm investable, and how external capital can be used to fund growth, technology and talent. They also discuss consolidation, succession planning, the differences between legal and other professional services sectors, and why some investors are becoming more selective about the firms they back. Finally, the conversation turns to the biggest unanswered question in the market: exits. The panel debates whether private equity-backed law firms can deliver the returns investors need, who the eventual buyers might be, and whether outside capital will become a normal feature of the UK legal market over the next decade. The Non-Billable Podcast is sponsored by Legora. To find out more about Legora, visit: https://legora.com/ Today’s episode is also supported by Definely. To find out more about Definely, visit: https://www.definely.com/nonbillable Chapters 00:01 Introduction 01:30 Introductions & setting the scene 04:40 Why investors are bullish on legal services 12:55 Why legal is different from accounting and other professional services 22:30 Has the private equity boom in law firms stalled? 27:30 Why law firms seek outside capital, and what changes afterwards 42:40 Talent, AI and the future law firm business model 53:50 The exit problem: IPOs, secondary sales and investor returns 1:03:50 Advice for law firm leaders and predictions for the future About Non-Billable Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals across private practice, in-house and legal tech. Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

    Private equity and the future of law firms | Podcast special

  6. Jun 10

    The business of international arbitration with Boies Schiller’s Tim Foden

    Tim Foden is co-head of the international arbitration group at Boies Schiller Flexner in London. In this episode, he joins the podcast to discuss his path into arbitration, his time at Allen & Overy and Quinn Emanuel, and why he believes specialist disputes firms offer something fundamentally different to full-service law firms. The conversation explores the business of international arbitration, from commercial disputes between companies to high-stakes claims brought by investors against states. Tim explains how investment treaty arbitration works in practice, why resource nationalism continues to drive disputes around the world, and what it is like handling cases involving governments, mining projects and politically sensitive assets. Tim also shares his perspective on litigation funding, pushing back on the idea that funders encourage weak claims. He explains how funding has become a critical tool for many claimants, how funded cases are assessed, and why the UK Supreme Court’s PACCAR decision has had less impact on his practice than many predicted. Finally, we discuss London's position as a global disputes hub, the outlook for arbitration and collective actions, and Boies Schiller Flexner's growth plans in the UK as the firm continues to expand its London disputes practice. The Non-Billable Podcast is sponsored by Legora. To find out more about Legora, visit: https://legora.com/ Today’s episode is also supported by Definely. To find out more about Definely, visit: https://www.definely.com/nonbillable Chapters 00:01 Introduction 01:34 From courtroom dramas to international arbitration 03:10 Allen & Overy, Quinn Emanuel and life at a disputes boutique 05:06 Why specialist disputes firms think differently 10:48 Joining Boies Schiller and rebuilding the London office 16:16 The business of international arbitration and investor-state disputes 22:30 Litigation funding, PACCAR and access to justice 30:59 Why London remains the world's leading disputes hub 33:55 The future of disputes and Boies Schiller's growth plans in London About Non-Billable Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals across private practice, in-house and legal tech. Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

    The business of international arbitration with Boies Schiller’s Tim Foden

  7. May 27

    Why US firms are still winning the talent battle in London

    Headhunter Scott Gibson returns to the podcast for a wide-ranging conversation on what’s going on in the London partner market. As co-founder of Edwards Gibson, Scott tracks every major partner move in the City and has one of the clearest views of how the market is moving beneath the surface. We discuss why partner movement remains near record levels despite a tougher economic backdrop, the continued influence of US firms in London, and how areas like private capital, infrastructure and real estate are driving demand. Scott also explains why mergers create far more disruption than firms like to admit, and why that often leads to opportunities elsewhere in the market. The conversation also dives into the changing economics of partnership itself. Scott breaks down the rise of non-equity partnership structures, why UK firms face a “home turf disadvantage” against US rivals, and how compensation systems are evolving as firms compete for rainmakers. We also talk about whether partnership is still as attractive as it once was, what top firms are really looking for when they hire laterals, and why law firms today may be more fragile than many lawyers realise. The Non-Billable Podcast is sponsored by Legora. To find out more about Legora, visit: https://legora.com/ Today’s episode is also supported by Definely. To find out more about Definely, visit: https://www.definely.com/nonbillable Chapters 00:01 Introduction 02:26 The London partner recruitment market explained 04:21 Why partner moves hit record highs in 2025 08:17 The hottest practice areas in Big Law right now 11:37 Will restructuring finally boom in London? 14:41 Are Magic Circle firms fighting back against US rivals? 21:30 What law firms really want from lateral partner hires 27:06 The rise of non-equity partnership in Big Law 45:44 Which recent law firm mergers will actually work About Non-Billable Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals across private practice, in-house and legal tech. Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

    Why US firms are still winning the talent battle in London

  8. May 20

    Inside Lawfront: The PE-backed law firm group betting big on consolidation

    Axel Koelsch, COO of private equity-backed legal group Lawfront, joins the podcast to discuss how outside investment is reshaping the UK legal market and why he believes consolidation is still in its early stages. Koelsch explains how Lawfront’s model works in practice, why the group allows firms to retain their brands and leadership teams, and how central investment in areas like technology, operations and business services is becoming increasingly important as law firms face growing competitive pressure. The conversation also explores what lawyers often misunderstand about private equity, the operational lessons Koelsch brought from senior roles at firms including Freshfields and Addleshaw Goddard, and why the traditional partnership model can struggle to move quickly enough in a rapidly changing market. Finally, Koelsch discusses the future of the sector, including AI, scale, talent and why he expects further consolidation across both the regional and commercial law firm markets in the years ahead. The Non-Billable Podcast is sponsored by Legora. To find out more about Legora, visit: https://legora.com/ Today’s episode is also supported by Definely. To find out more about Definely, visit: https://www.definely.com/nonbillable Chapters 00:01 Introduction 01:30 Axel’s journey from lawyer to law firm COO 03:25 Applying consultant-style strategy inside major law firms 07:18 Why Axel joined Lawfront 10:38 Inside Lawfront’s “national scale for regional leaders” model 14:31 How Lawfront integrates firms without losing culture 20:08 The Lawfront growth playbook: recruitment, pricing and EBITDA 22:25 Why equity partnership is becoming less attractive to lawyers 27:46 Why Axel believes consolidation in UK law is inevitable About Non-Billable Non-Billable is the media company for modern legal professionals across private practice, in-house and legal tech. Visit our website: ⁠⁠https://www.nonbillable.co.uk

    Inside Lawfront: The PE-backed law firm group betting big on consolidation
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The Non-Billable Podcast takes UK legal professionals beyond the billable hour, bringing you interviews with top lawyers, law firm leaders, industry experts and legal tech innovators to uncover actionable insights on the business of law, career growth and the future of the industry. Hosted by Oliver Attinger, a former finance lawyer at a leading City law firm, and brought to you by Non-Billable, the legal media platform for City lawyers, in-house counsel, and legal professionals.

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  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    57
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