The Founder's Horizon

David and Josie Fisher · Fisher and Fisher Dual Asset Advisory

Hosted by David & Josie Fisher of Fisher & Fisher Dual-Asset Advisory. (Previously The Business Exit Beyond). For Australian founders in their 50s, 60s, and 70s who built a business and own the commercial property it operates from. We tackle the hard questions: How do you untangle your life's work from your real estate? Who are you when the business no longer needs you? What does your next chapter look like? Property first. Business second. That's the sequence that makes the exit work. 🌐 Access the Dual Exit Scorecard: https://fisherandfisher.au/

  1. Jul 29

    The Hidden Danger in Selling Your Business and Property as One Package

    How Ready Are You In Exiting Your Business? https://fisherandfisher.au/scorecard Most business owners don’t realize that their biggest growth potential lies beyond the sale — it’s about redefining what’s next, not just exiting. If you're in your 50s or 60s, feeling exhausted, or worried about losing your identity after selling your business, this episode is your blueprint to a smoother transition. Discover how splitting your assets strategically and focusing on your “horizon” can unlock new freedom and financial security, without sacrificing your legacy. In this eye-opening episode, David Fisher shares the powerful concept of the dual asset approach—how to separate property from business for more control, less stress, and better value. He breaks down a real-world case of Tony and Mary, whose property values soared while their business ran smoothly, providing insights that could change how you plan your next chapter. You'll learn why most owners rush into sales that regret later, and how a tailored, strategic exit can protect your income, your identity, and your future.We explore: • The pitfalls of combining property and business sale strategies • The step-by-step process of property-first and business-second planning • How to ensure your business pays market rent and stays independently valuable • The emotional journey of stepping away from a business that defines you • Practical tools, like the free Dual Asset Readiness Scorecard, to assess where you stand today Without this knowledge, many founders face a risky, emotionless sale or a lost legacy. But with the right approach, you can preserve your identity, maximize your assets, and embrace the next horizon with confidence. Whether you're considering selling soon or planning for the future, this episode offers crucial insights for turning potential stress into opportunity—and making your exit not an end, but a powerful new beginning.If you’re serious about your next chapter—whether that’s retirement, new ventures, or rediscovering who you are outside your business—this episode is your roadmap. Perfect for founders, business owners in their 50s and beyond, or anyone feeling stuck on the edge of transition.

  2. Jul 21

    The Hidden Danger in Selling Your Business and Property as One Package

    How Ready Are You In Exiting Your Business? https://fisherandfisher.au/scorecard Most business owners don’t realize that their biggest growth potential lies beyond the sale — it’s about redefining what’s next, not just exiting. If you're in your 50s or 60s, feeling exhausted, or worried about losing your identity after selling your business, this episode is your blueprint to a smoother transition. Discover how splitting your assets strategically and focusing on your “horizon” can unlock new freedom and financial security, without sacrificing your legacy. In this eye-opening episode, David Fisher shares the powerful concept of the dual asset approach—how to separate property from business for more control, less stress, and better value. He breaks down a real-world case of Tony and Mary, whose property values soared while their business ran smoothly, providing insights that could change how you plan your next chapter. You'll learn why most owners rush into sales that regret later, and how a tailored, strategic exit can protect your income, your identity, and your future.We explore: The pitfalls of combining property and business sale strategiesThe step-by-step process of property-first and business-second planningHow to ensure your business pays market rent and stays independently valuableThe emotional journey of stepping away from a business that defines youPractical tools, like the free Dual Asset Readiness Scorecard, to assess where you stand todayWithout this knowledge, many founders face a risky, emotionless sale or a lost legacy. But with the right approach, you can preserve your identity, maximize your assets, and embrace the next horizon with confidence. Whether you're considering selling soon or planning for the future, this episode offers crucial insights for turning potential stress into opportunity—and making your exit not an end, but a powerful new beginning.If you’re serious about your next chapter—whether that’s retirement, new ventures, or rediscovering who you are outside your business—this episode is your roadmap. Perfect for founders, business owners in their 50s and beyond, or anyone feeling stuck on the edge of transition.

  3. May 4

    The Surprising Truth: Why Most Businesses Are Unsellable TodayThe Surprising Truth: Why Most Businesses Are Unsellable Today

    Most business owners don’t understand how critical it is to align their growth strategy with a clear exit plan. The stakes have never been higher. In this episode, Micah Brandenburg and David Fisher reveal the hidden secrets to go from building to selling so your hard-earned assets reach their maximum potential. Why is it that 92% of businesses close their doors to leave, rather than sell at a premium? The answer is in intentionality, clarity, and knowing what truly matters in your next chapter. Discover how radical clarity + strategic action = the game changer that takes a business from a stress-inducing burden to an intentionally designed legacy. Micah and David dive into proven frameworks like the Legendary Exit Blueprint, sharing compelling stories about growth, purpose, and legacy. You’ll discover the questions every owner must answer before considering an exit, such as: “Is my company in the top 25% financially?” and “Does my business create optionality and purpose for my next life stage?” We dissect key strategies for getting unstuck—such as "growing into your exit" instead of drifting—and how honing self-awareness speeds up your road. Whether you are in pre-exit planning, mid-transition, or post-sale, this episode shares actionable steps to avoid regret, increase valuation, and create the freedom you desire. In this conversation, they discuss the relationship between purpose and legacy and financial planning, debunking the old retirement myth and reimagining a life of ongoing education and contribution. When preparing for sale, why is it important to know your strengths, learning style, and identity? And how do you cultivate radical clarity in chaotic times? Micah and David offer simple but powerful exercises—like stepping away to write out your exit questions or working with trusted advisors—to help you stay aligned with your ultimate goals. If you’re serious about stopping the guesswork and designing a meaningful, profitable exit, this episode provides gold nuggets that will change the way you approach your business future forever. Ideal for entrepreneurs, business owners, and advisors who want to create a purpose, growth, and legacy-based exit plan. If you’re just getting started or nearing the finish line, the tactics shared here will help you move forward with confidence and clarity. Your next chapter starts now. Book a Call with Micah www.legendaryexits.com

  4. Apr 20

    Why Your Business Might Be Unsellable Without Proper Delegation (And How to Fix It)

    Unlock the secret to transforming your business into an irresistible asset that sells for top dollar. If you're tired of working 14-hour days, feeling emotionally attached, and ready to finally exit with confidence, this episode is your game-changer. Discover how shifting your mindset, delegating smarter, and leveraging AI can create a sellable, scalable empire—and why most owners overlook these critical steps until it's too late. In this candid conversation, Louis Swart reveals the entrepreneurs' biggest pitfalls—like confusing busywork with real value—and shares proven systems to delegate effectively, boost productivity, and prepare your business for sale. You'll learn the importance of building a management team that elevates your brand, how to avoid the all-too-common ego traps that hold owners back, and why property often holds the key to a smoother exit. Louis's insights are backed by decades of experience in business growth, exit planning, and leveraging AI to automate and scale without burnout.We break down actionable frameworks—like the 60% rule for hiring, the AI delegation masterclass, and mindset shifts—to help you step back, see the bigger picture, and position your business for maximum value. Missing these strategies can leave you stuck, overwhelmed, and emotionally drained when it comes time to sell. But with the right approach, you unlock more than just financial gains—you regain your time, sanity, and sense of purpose. Perfect for business owners feeling the pressure of growth, approaching exit, or simply wanting to make their assets more valuable, this episode offers a blueprint for a smoother transition and a more fulfilling next chapter. If you're serious about exit readiness—whether you’re five years out or just considering the journey—this is your essential playbook. Lewis Swart is a business builder, delegation coach, AI expert, and founder of the Property First Exit Formula. His decades of experience in scaling, selling, and automating businesses make him an invaluable guide on your path to exit success. Don't miss his proven strategies—your future profitable exit could depend on it.

    Why Your Business Might Be Unsellable Without Proper Delegation (And How to Fix It)

  5. Apr 6

    The Surprising Asset That Makes Your Business More Sellable Than The Business Itself

    Most business owners underestimate just how hard it is to sell their company—and how essential it is to prepare early. Caroline Woodman’s journey from starting her natural bath product company in 2018 to realising that the time to exit had come after seven years of hard lessons will challenge everything you think you know about business longevity and selling. When her initial vision for bath soaks shifted unexpectedly, she pivoted into shower bombs and branded candles, discovering that flexibility and diversification are key to survival—and saleability. You’ll discover how Caroline navigated the emotional hurdles of letting go, including a game-changing tip about reframing her business as a true asset rather than her 'baby.' Her story reveals critical lessons: why you shouldn’t undervalue your business, the importance of strategic planning before the sale, and how community and mentor advice can accelerate your exit journey. We break down her unique ‘shower bomb’ innovation—an inspiring example of transforming unexpected challenges into new opportunities—and her mix of passion and pragmatism in building a business that’s as sellable as it is beloved. If you’re contemplating selling your business, this episode is essential listening. Caroline’s insights into knowing when to let go, the power of community, and practical steps to prepare your company's financial health and emotional readiness will empower you to make strategic moves today for a profitable, stress-free exit. The stakes are high—those who exit prematurely or without preparation risk regret, but the right mindset and support can turn your biggest asset into your greatest future. Perfect for entrepreneurs feeling stuck at the crossroads, business owners planning their next chapter, or anyone interested in the unseen side of business sales—this episode offers clarity, inspiration, and actionable advice from someone who’s been there. Ready to transform your asset into your exit? Hit play now and start your journey toward a smoother, more profitable sale and the next adventure.

    The Surprising Asset That Makes Your Business More Sellable Than The Business Itself

  6. Mar 23

    The Surprising Power of Reading Faces to Boost Business Value and Exit Success

    Maximising Your Business Exit: Insights from Alan Stevens and David Fisher. In this episode, David Fisher, aka Mr Exit Ready, welcomes Alan Stevens—an expert in human pattern recognition and communication—to discuss the art of reading people, developing effective negotiation strategies, and preparing your business for a successful sale. Whether you're mid-process or just starting to plan your exit, these insights will help you navigate the emotional and strategic challenges involved. Understand yourself with this special course for our listeners: ⁠https://store.alanstevens.com.au/free⁠ Key Topics Covered: The importance of exit strategy planning from day one, and how most businesses fail to reach a sale.Alan Stevens’ journey from telecommunications to face reading and the development of Rapid Trade Profiling.The crucial role of understanding personality types in building relationships and influencing negotiation outcomes.How emotional attachment and identity impact the business sale process.Strategies for business owners to prepare their team and themselves for a smooth transition.The significance of setting successors up for success and the value of passing knowledge to the next generation.Recognising and overcoming personal past blocks that hinder business and personal growth.The future of human connection amidst AI and technology, and the importance of the human touch.Practical tips on body language, face reading, and mental models to excel in negotiations.The concept of “selling to the right person” and ensuring your business value is preserved.The importance of self-awareness and understanding what you truly want in retirement or life post-exit.(0:02) - Welcome to the Exit Ready Business Podcast(0:11) - The shocking stats on business sale success rates(2:16) - Alan Stevens’ early life lessons and career journey(4:01) - Building relationships through understanding people(6:59) - When did Alan realise face reading was his key skill?(7:28) - The impact of personal past experiences on current success(8:51) - The platinum rule: Treat others as they want to be treated(9:16) - Business owners’ emotional ties and sales challenges(10:16) - Recommendations for negotiating in business sale processes(11:38) - Knowing yourself first to facilitate better exits(13:02) - How identity influences the exit and transition process(15:15) - Why many regret selling within a year(16:02) - The importance of purpose and passion after exit(17:51) - The impact of losing identity post-redundancy(19:33) - Learning from historical transitions like elder roles(20:52) - The risk of technology replacing human connection(22:58) - Passing wisdom and training the next generation(24:24) - The significance of “setting up for success” during handover(27:39) - Understanding childhood imprints and personal blocks(29:17) - The importance of reacting rather than simply responding(33:13) - Face reading and micro-expressions in negotiations(34:22) - Preparing and understanding your own and others’ traits(37:42) - The power of knowing what the other person truly wants(39:19) - The value of aligning sale terms with the successor’s success(43:42) - The long-term pride in passing a successful business(44:39) - Your own journey of growth through business succession(50:10) - Embracing open-mindedness and trial-and-error in learning(51:09) - Alan Stevens’ free face profiling course for listeners(52:20) - Final thoughts: The importance of ongoing self-discoveryAlan's Articles: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/readingfaces_most-people-are-guessing-guessing-share-7423127325451427840-N5Cq Alans LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/readingfaces/Our Sponsors Business Exit & Beyond: https://businessexitbeyond.com/Business Exit Xchange: Commercial Real Estate & Business https://businessexitxchange.com.au/

    The Surprising Power of Reading Faces to Boost Business Value and Exit Success

  7. Mar 8

    How the 'Pink Sheep' Principle Will Make Your Business Stand Out and Sell Faster

    Unlock the future of selling your business before it’s too late. In a world where customer patience is vanishing and technology accelerates faster than ever, Brett McFall reveals the game-changing strategies to keep your business relevant, trusted, and exit-ready. If you think waiting for customers or relying on outdated marketing is enough, think again — speed and instant response are now the new currency. Brett, a marketing innovator since 1989, shares why AI isn’t just for the big players—and how even small businesses can harness it to revolutionise customer experience, boost trust, and dramatically improve sales. You’ll discover why response time can make or break your business, how to use AI to handle inquiries 24/7, and why “invisible technology” creates loyalty that lasts. From AI-driven video reports to real-time SMS conversations, Brett crafts the blueprint for turning curiosity into customers faster than your competitors. We break down the critical shift from traditional business models to high-speed, AI-enabled customer engagement—showing you how to turn every interaction into a trust-building, sales-driving moment. You’ll learn how to identify what your prospects really need—and deliver it instantly, all while avoiding the common pitfalls of tool-overload and generic automation. The opportunity to lead rather than lag behind isn’t just possible, it’s urgent. This episode is essential listening if you're committed to thriving in a disrupted marketplace, where impatience and distrust threaten your bottom line. Whether you’re a small business owner or a seasoned entrepreneur, Brett’s insights help you understand why speed is your new competitive edge—and how to implement it today. Join us now to cut through the noise, dispel the myths about AI, and start making technology work for you—not the other way around. Your next level is just one strategic shift away. Don’t get left behind in the slow lane — the future belongs to those who move fast, respond instantly, and build trust at the speed of AI.

    How the 'Pink Sheep' Principle Will Make Your Business Stand Out and Sell Faster

  8. Feb 22

    Exit Ready Insights

    In this episode of the Exit Ready Business Podcast, host David Fisher engages with Lizzie Hodgetts from Focus Forward Partners, who shares her personal journey of buying and selling a family plumbing business. The conversation delves into the emotional and financial challenges faced during the exit process, the importance of legacy, and the need for better support for both sellers and buyers in the business market. Lizzie emphasises the significance of vendor finance as a viable option for buyers and discusses the necessity of aligning personal values with business goals during transitions. The episode concludes with practical advice for business owners contemplating an exit, highlighting the importance of seeking guidance and preparing well in advance. Join Lizzie on a Discovery Call. Book time with Lizzie - Forwardfocus: Discovery Call And explore more on her website: www.forwardfocuspartners.com.au Takeaways Only 14% of businesses listed for sale actually sold last year.The emotional aspect of business transitions is often overlooked.Vendor finance can open up opportunities for buyers.Legacy and emotional ties can complicate business sales.Internal transitions can preserve business legacy.It's crucial to align personal values with business goals.Buyers face significant challenges in securing financing.Having a support network is essential during the exit process.Planning for an exit should start years in advance.Conversations with advisors can provide clarity and direction.Chapters 00:00Introduction to Exit Readiness 01:08Lizzie's Journey in Business 11:02The Emotional Challenges of Exiting 19:36Transitioning Leadership and Legacy 29:24Understanding the Buyer’s Perspective 42:15Preparing for an Exit: Key Takeaways A big thank you to our sponsors, Business Exit & Beyond, and our strategic partners who prepare, optimise you and your business. https://businessexitbeyond.com/ And Business Exit Xchange, our real estate partners If you want to unbolt your property from your business with the Asset-First Exit, schedule a call with David https://businessexitxchange.com.au/schedule-a-call

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Hosted by David & Josie Fisher of Fisher & Fisher Dual-Asset Advisory. (Previously The Business Exit Beyond). For Australian founders in their 50s, 60s, and 70s who built a business and own the commercial property it operates from. We tackle the hard questions: How do you untangle your life's work from your real estate? Who are you when the business no longer needs you? What does your next chapter look like? Property first. Business second. That's the sequence that makes the exit work. 🌐 Access the Dual Exit Scorecard: https://fisherandfisher.au/

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  • Creator
    David and Josie Fisher · Fisher and Fisher Dual Asset Advisory
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    33
  • Rating
    Explicit
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