Spiraling Up — Marketing For Professional Services

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Tired of dry, predictable marketing podcasts? Us too. Welcome to Spiraling Up—the show that puts a playful twist on professional services marketing. A few times each month, you'll hear Pivotal Stories about the hottest B2B marketing research and trends before diving headfirst into interactive games and challenges with marketing leaders, Visible Experts™, and practitioners.  Whether you’re spearheading marketing and business development efforts or building your expertise in the field, this podcast is your go-to resource for actionable insights and real-world advice with a fun twist! Hosted by Austin McNair, Joe Pope, and Mary-Blanche Kraemer. Join us as we spiral up with the brightest minds in professional services marketing. Get ready to laugh, learn, and level up your marketing game! Subscribe Today.

  1. Culture vs Data: What AEC Firms Do to WIN

    APR 22

    Culture vs Data: What AEC Firms Do to WIN

    What happens when you take a podcast out of the studio… and put it on stage in front of a live audience? In this special Spiraling Up keynote episode recorded live at The SMPS Southeast Regional Conference (SERC), we put two industry experts on the hot seat—no scripts, no edits, no safety net. Just real-time answers to the biggest questions facing professional services firms today. From business development and branding to AI, authenticity, and what actually drives growth, this episode dives into: • How business development has evolved—and where it’s going • Why authenticity is becoming the most valuable (and rare) asset • What separates firms that grow from those that stall • How to build trust, visibility, and real differentiation in a crowded market • The role of consistency, adaptability, and execution in winning work This isn’t a typical interview. It’s a fast-paced, high-stakes conversation where ideas are tested live—and the best insights rise to the top.

    51 min
  2. VP of Marketing Reveals the 4 Tactics That Still Work in 2026

    APR 1

    VP of Marketing Reveals the 4 Tactics That Still Work in 2026

    If you could only choose four marketing strategies to rely on for the next year, what would make the cut? In this episode of Spiraling Up, the team is joined by Dawn Hancock, VP of Marketing at Vertex, for a practical and engaging exercise: building a “Marketing Mount Rushmore.” Each participant selects and defends the four tactics they believe deliver the greatest impact in today’s environment. The conversation explores how firms can prioritize effectively, allocate resources with intention, and focus on strategies that generate meaningful business outcomes. Key themes include: The role of conferences, gated content, and case studies in driving growthHow to align marketing efforts with buyer needs and long-term positioningWhy consistency and value creation matter more than volumeHow to build a cohesive marketing system rather than isolated tacticsWhether you’re refining your marketing strategy or rethinking your approach to business development, this episode offers a clear, experience-backed perspective on what works—and why. Connect with Dawn on LinkedIn Check out VERTEX

    1 hr
  3. AI Search Has ARRIVED (Are you ChatGPT & Gemini-ready?)

    MAR 11

    AI Search Has ARRIVED (Are you ChatGPT & Gemini-ready?)

    AI search has arrived—and it’s reshaping how buyers discover and evaluate companies. In this episode of Spiraling Up, the team welcomes Leah from Brandi to explore the rise of Generative Engine Optimization (GEO) and what marketers must do to stay visible in tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Perplexity. Leah explains why the shift from traditional SEO to AI search changes the rules of digital marketing. Instead of simply matching keywords, AI systems evaluate intent, authority, and share of voice across an entire market conversation to determine which companies get recommended.  The discussion also explores how AI prompts compress the traditional marketing funnel, why content strategy must evolve to answer real user questions, and how businesses can track how AI models are describing and comparing them to competitors.  They also tackle a dangerous assumption many marketers are making today: that AI search is just another SEO tactic or a temporary trend.  If you’re responsible for marketing, brand visibility, or demand generation, this episode will help you understand how to prepare for a world where AI assistants increasingly decide which companies get recommended. Connect with Leah on LinkedIn Learn more about Brandi

    50 min
  4. Business Leaders That CARE (Why Authenticity Always Wins)

    FEB 25

    Business Leaders That CARE (Why Authenticity Always Wins)

    In this episode, the Hinge team explores whether the gap between thriving and struggling marketing leaders can really be traced back to four letters: C.A.R.E. Leadership strategist and bestselling author Jonathan Eldridge joins us to put his CARE framework to the test in a series of high-stakes, real-world scenarios—from boardroom imposter syndrome to marketing team meltdowns and social media crises. Along the way, we unpack: Why executives don’t want perfection—they want truthHow small, everyday behaviors quietly signal (or sabotage) leadershipWhat adaptability looks like when budgets get cut and teams fractureHow to lead with enthusiasm and influence, even in uncertaintyIf you’ve ever felt the pressure to be flawless, the fear of not having all the answers, or the weight of leading through chaos—this episode will challenge you to rethink what strong leadership really means. Because in the moments that matter most, the question isn’t whether you’re perfect. It’s whether you CARE. Connect with Jonathan on LinkedIn, and check out his website.

    57 min
  5. Crazy, Stupid Rebrands (and How to Avoid Catastrophe)

    FEB 11

    Crazy, Stupid Rebrands (and How to Avoid Catastrophe)

    Rebrands are hard. And when they go wrong, they can be really wrong. In this episode of Spiraling Up, the Hinge team takes a playful—but deeply practical—look at Crazy, Stupid Rebrands: the most common ways professional services firms sabotage their own brand transformations. Using a game-based format inspired by classic romantic comedies, the team dissects real branding blunders—from research-free repositioning and internal power struggles to rushed launches that leave teams confused and clients unconvinced. Listeners will learn: Why most rebrands fail before design even beginsHow internal alignment breaks down during brand transitionsWhat separates a “clean breakup” from a branding disasterThe strategic foundations every successful rebrand needsThis episode is equal parts entertaining and educational—and a must-listen for marketing leaders, firm partners, and executives navigating brand change.

    46 min
  6. New Years Resolutions For Business Leaders

    JAN 28

    New Years Resolutions For Business Leaders

    Every year, business leaders set ambitious resolutions—delegate more, lead better, work less, grow faster. And every year, most of those goals quietly disappear. In this episode of Spiraling Up, the team sits down with Dr. Josh Elmore, organizational scientist and executive advisor, for a live coaching conversation on why leadership resolutions fail—and how high-performing executives create change that lasts. Rather than relying on motivation or willpower, Josh helps the hosts unpack the systems, incentives, and behaviors that shape real leadership growth. Through candid coaching, the episode explores delegation traps, visibility challenges, burnout, and how leaders can shift from being “the fixer” to building resilient teams. This episode covers: Why New Year’s leadership goals break downHow to replace willpower with systems and structureThe hidden costs of always being the go-to problem solverWhat sustainable leadership change actually looks likePractical ways to design accountability into your roleIf you’re entering the new year with big leadership goals—or trying to recover momentum you’ve already lost—this conversation offers a smarter, more sustainable path forward. Connect with Dr. Josh: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshelmore1/ Learn more about Court Street Consulting: https://www.courtstreetconsulting.net/

    59 min
  7. This or That: What High-Growth Professional Services Firms Do Differently

    JAN 14

    This or That: What High-Growth Professional Services Firms Do Differently

    Download the executive summary of the 2026 High Growth Study: www.hingemarketing.com/hgs What marketing decisions truly drive growth in professional services firms? In this episode of Spiraling Up, the team explores findings from Hinge’s 2026 High Growth Study through a structured “This or That” conversation, examining the strategic choices that differentiate high-growth firms from their slower-growing peers. Rather than relying on opinions or industry hype, Austin McNair, Joe Pope, and Mary-Blanche Kraemer use research-backed insights to unpack common marketing tradeoffs—revealing where high-growth firms focus, where they don’t, and why many popular debates miss the point entirely. Topics include: How high-growth firms balance brand building and demand generationThe role of thought leadership, SEO, and visibility in long-term growthWhy specialization consistently outperforms broad positioningHow data—not instinct—should guide marketing strategyThis episode is designed for professional services marketers and firm leaders looking to move beyond surface-level tactics and make smarter, more strategic decisions backed by evidence. If you want to understand what high-growth firms actually do differently, this conversation delivers the clarity.

    53 min
  8. The ROI of a Business Podcast: Was Spiraling Up Worth It?

    12/18/2025

    The ROI of a Business Podcast: Was Spiraling Up Worth It?

    Was launching Spiraling Up actually worth it? In this special year-end episode, the team looks back on 2025 and asks the honest question every firm-led podcast eventually faces: did this experiment deliver real value? We revisit standout clips from across the year, reflect on what worked (and what didn’t), and unpack the lessons we learned about podcasting as a strategic business tool—not just a marketing channel. From audience engagement and format experiments to internal alignment and long-term ROI, this episode pulls back the curtain on what it really takes to run a successful professional services podcast. Whether you’re considering launching a podcast, already producing one, or questioning if the effort is paying off, this episode offers a candid, behind-the-scenes look at the realities of podcasting inside a growing firm. In this episode: Was the Spiraling Up podcast experiment worth the time and effort?What surprised us most after a full year behind the micClips and moments that shaped the direction of the showLessons on consistency, formats, and audience expectationsWhat we’d double down on—and what we’d do differentlyHow podcasting actually supports business development and brand growth Who this episode is for: Professional services marketers and leadersFirm owners considering a podcastPodcast hosts questioning ROI or momentumAnyone curious about podcasting beyond “downloads and likes”If you’re looking for a realistic, experience-based perspective on podcasting—not hype—this episode is a must-watch. Past episodes referenced: The 2025 Professional Services Marketing Tactics Draft + Everyday AI ExamplesIntern TAKEOVER: Will Gen Z Put Marketing in Jeopardy? with Sabrina AlperinGoogle Veo 3 is here and we're DOOMED...or are we? + B2G Power Plays with Megan Battaglia10 Things We Hate About Websites (And Examples of Ones We Like)

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Tired of dry, predictable marketing podcasts? Us too. Welcome to Spiraling Up—the show that puts a playful twist on professional services marketing. A few times each month, you'll hear Pivotal Stories about the hottest B2B marketing research and trends before diving headfirst into interactive games and challenges with marketing leaders, Visible Experts™, and practitioners.  Whether you’re spearheading marketing and business development efforts or building your expertise in the field, this podcast is your go-to resource for actionable insights and real-world advice with a fun twist! Hosted by Austin McNair, Joe Pope, and Mary-Blanche Kraemer. Join us as we spiral up with the brightest minds in professional services marketing. Get ready to laugh, learn, and level up your marketing game! Subscribe Today.

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