Profit & Grit with Tyler

Tyler Martin

Profit and Grit is the no-BS weekly podcast for home service business owners and blue collar entrepreneurs. Each episode features real strategies from successful contractors and industry experts in HVAC, plumbing, electrical, roofing, and other trades. Hosted by Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home service businesses and the trades, Profit & Grit dives into growth, cash flow, hiring, pricing, and leadership. If you own or want to grow a business in the trades, this home service podcast will help you build a stronger, more profitable company.

  1. Thinking Too Small Is Costing You Millions - Alyssa Rogers

    4D AGO

    Thinking Too Small Is Costing You Millions - Alyssa Rogers

    Going from $600K to $10M didn’t require moving cities. It required changing how they led. Alyssa Rogers is the Vice President of Rogers Heating and Cooling in South Boston, Virginia, a town of under 10,000 people. When she and her husband took over the family business in 2018, it was doing about $600,000 in revenue. Today, it’s an eight-figure company with multiple locations and a clear path toward a $100 million vision. In this episode, we unpack what really happens between $1M and $10M in a home service business. The messy early years. Hiring without structure. Learning leadership in real time. Bringing in coaching. Installing a true GM layer. And turning down a life-changing private equity offer because it didn’t fit their long-term plan. Alyssa shares what scaling in a small market actually looks like, why technician retention is always a leadership issue, how aligning team goals changes culture, and why financial discipline matters as growth accelerates. This conversation is for home service owners who feel capped by geography, stuck between $2M and $5M, or unsure what the next phase requires. What You Will Learn in This Episode • What it looks like to take over a $600K HVAC company • Why the first $1M to $2M is grit and figuring it out • The leadership shift required to move beyond “truck and a shop” • How the right peer group changed their trajectory • What happens at the $3M–$5M bottleneck • How reverse-engineering a 10-year vision clarifies decisions • Why hiring for character beats industry experience • What changes when you bring in a true GM • Why they turned down a private equity offer • The importance of clean financials, margin targets, and forecasting If you’re pushing toward eight figures or building something durable enough to sell one day, this episode reinforces a simple truth: growth only works when leadership, structure, and financial clarity grow with it. More From Profit & Grit Book your complimentary Financial Insight Session with Tyler Martin, fractional CFO for home services and the trades, here: http://cfointrocall.com Learn more at http://cfomadeeasy.com Follow the show for weekly interviews with HVAC, plumbing, and home service owners and experts who share what it really takes to grow, scale, and profit in the trades. If you listen to any of the following shows, we’re sure you’ll love ours too! To The Point Home Services Podcast, Toolbox for the Trades, Masters of Home Service, Home Service Business Coach With David Moerman, BlueCollar.CEO, The Home Service Expert Podcast, Next Level Pros, Blue Collar Business Podcast, Home Service Millionaire with Mike Andes, The Contractor Fight with Tom Reber, and Blue Collar Success Group. 🎙️ Profit & Grit by Tyler Martin Real stories. Real strategy. Real results for service-based business owners. 🔗 Website: ProfitAndGrit.com 📍 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/thinktyler 📸 Instagram & TikTok: @profitandgrit Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home services and the trades 📅 Want to grow your business with smarter financial strategy? Book a free intro meeting

    49 min
  2. Why EBITDA Disappears After You Buy a Trade Business - Ryan Williams

    FEB 17

    Why EBITDA Disappears After You Buy a Trade Business - Ryan Williams

    Revenue looks stable when you’re buying a trade business. What’s unstable is everything underneath it. Ryan Williams is a longtime operator and co-founder of DivvyShares. After reviewing more than 100 deals, he acquired a residential plumbing company and stepped straight into what most buyers only discover after closing: year one exposes everything. In this episode, we talk about why most home service acquisitions don’t fail because of the market. They fail because of overpaying, owner dependency, rushed decisions, culture problems, and cash flow strain that shows up fast once the deal closes. Ryan shares what it actually looks like to buy a $5M trade business, miss projections, fire a top producer, slow growth intentionally, test AI answering, and overhaul fleet safety, all in the first year. This conversation is for trade business owners thinking about buying, selling, or trying to push past that $3–$5M ceiling without breaking their business. What You Will Learn in This Episode • Why many home service acquisitions quietly underperform in year one  • How overpaying for SDE or EBITDA puts buyers behind from day one  • The hidden risk of “hands-off owner” deals in the trades  • Why so many owners stall out around $5M in revenue  • How personal income dependency keeps owners from hiring leadership  • What really happens when you fire a top-producing salesperson for culture  • Why moving a billable tech into supervision immediately impacts revenue  • How to think about durability versus aggressive growth projections  • Why cash flow discipline matters more than headline revenue  • How booking rate data exposed a six-figure mistake  • What went wrong with AI answering in a 50+ Southern demographic  • Why speed-to-lead still wins in aggregator-driven markets  • How truck cameras exposed serious safety and liability risk  • The mindset required to survive the first 12 months after buying a trade business If you’re considering buying a plumbing, HVAC, or electrical company, or you’re building one with the goal of selling someday, this episode gives you a realistic look at what happens after the ink dries. More From Profit & Grit Book your complimentary Financial Insight Session with Tyler Martin, fractional CFO for home services and the trades, here: http://cfointrocall.com Learn more at http://cfomadeeasy.com Follow the show for weekly interviews with HVAC, plumbing, and home service owners and experts who share what it really takes to grow, scale, and profit in the trades. If you listen to any of the following shows, we’re sure you’ll love ours too! To The Point Home Services Podcast, Toolbox for the Trades, Masters of Home Service, Home Service Business Coach With David Moerman, BlueCollar.CEO, The Home Service Expert Podcast, Next Level Pros, Blue Collar Business Podcast, Home Service Millionaire with Mike Andes, The Contractor Fight with Tom Reber, and Blue Collar Success Group. 🎙️ Profit & Grit by Tyler Martin Real stories. Real strategy. Real results for service-based business owners. 🔗 Website: ProfitAndGrit.com 📍 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/thinktyler 📸 Instagram & TikTok: @profitandgrit Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home services and the trades 📅 Want to grow your business with smarter financial strategy? Book a free intro meeting

    49 min
  3. Your Best Tech Is About to Walk - Chris Buttenham

    FEB 10

    Your Best Tech Is About to Walk - Chris Buttenham

    Keeping great people gets harder as your business grows, especially when wages stop being enough to hold everything together. Chris Buttonham is the co-founder and CEO of Reins. He grew up inside a small contracting business, watched firsthand how retention and succession issues limit freedom and value, and later built a platform that helps owners give key employees real skin in the game without giving up ownership or control. In this episode, we talk about why most retention problems aren’t really about pay, how alternative equity and profit sharing actually work in practice, and why owners who wait too long to think about incentives and succession usually end up with fewer options, not more. This conversation is for home service owners who are growing, feeling the weight of people dependency, and starting to realize that alignment, not effort, is what unlocks the next stage. What You Will Learn in This Episode Why higher wages alone rarely solve retention problemsHow misaligned incentives quietly increase owner stressWhat “alternative equity” really means in a small businessThe difference between phantom equity and real ownershipHow profit sharing can improve margins instead of hurting themWhy simplicity matters more than complex bonus formulasWho your true “key employees” usually are and why timing mattersHow incentives can improve profitability and exit readinessWhy even owners who never plan to sell should think about successionHow aligned teams create leverage instead of dependencyMore From Profit & Grit Book your complimentary Financial Insight Session with Tyler Martin, fractional CFO for home services and the trades, here: http://cfointrocall.com Learn more at http://cfomadeeasy.com Follow the show for weekly interviews with HVAC, plumbing, and home service owners and experts who share what it really takes to grow, scale, and profit in the trades. If you listen to any of the following shows, we’re sure you’ll love ours too! To The Point Home Services Podcast, Toolbox for the Trades, Masters of Home Service, Home Service Business Coach With David Moerman, BlueCollar.CEO, The Home Service Expert Podcast, Next Level Pros, Blue Collar Business Podcast, Home Service Millionaire with Mike Andes, The Contractor Fight with Tom Reber, and Blue Collar Success Group. 🎙️ Profit & Grit by Tyler Martin Real stories. Real strategy. Real results for service-based business owners. 🔗 Website: ProfitAndGrit.com 📍 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/thinktyler 📸 Instagram & TikTok: @profitandgrit Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home services and the trades 📅 Want to grow your business with smarter financial strategy? Book a free intro meeting

    46 min
  4. The Real Reason Growth Gets Harder After $5M - Lance Bachmann

    FEB 3

    The Real Reason Growth Gets Harder After $5M - Lance Bachmann

    Growth gets harder after $5M because effort stops being the constraint and leadership, systems, and financial clarity start to matter more than hustle. Lance Bachmann has built, scaled, and sold multiple companies across home services, technology, and marketing. Today, he partners directly with business owners to help them break through growth plateaus, install real operational structure, and build companies that can scale quickly and profitably. In this episode, we talk about why so many owners get stuck between $5M and $10M, the leadership behaviors that quietly cap growth, and why financial literacy is often the missing link between effort and results. This conversation is for owners who are growing fast, feeling the pressure of complexity, and realizing that working harder isn’t solving the problem anymore. What You Will Learn in This Episode Why growth feels heavier after $5M instead of easierThe leadership mistakes that silently limit scaleWhy most businesses struggle with the same fundamentalsHow fear-based leadership hurts teams and resultsThe difference between revenue growth and operational controlWhy financial literacy creates real freedom for ownersHow personal spending inside the business slows growthWhy clean systems matter more than new tacticsWhat actually changes when a company moves toward eight figuresHow disciplined execution beats complexity every timeMore From Profit & Grit Book your complimentary Financial Insight Session with Tyler Martin, fractional CFO for home services and the trades, here: http://cfointrocall.com Learn more at http://cfomadeeasy.com Follow the show for weekly interviews with HVAC, plumbing, and home service owners and experts who share what it really takes to grow, scale, and profit in the trades. If you listen to any of the following shows, we’re sure you’ll love ours too! To The Point Home Services Podcast, Toolbox for the Trades, Masters of Home Service, Home Service Business Coach With David Moerman, BlueCollar.CEO, The Home Service Expert Podcast, Next Level Pros, Blue Collar Business Podcast, Home Service Millionaire with Mike Andes, The Contractor Fight with Tom Reber, and Blue Collar Success Group. 🎙️ Profit & Grit by Tyler Martin Real stories. Real strategy. Real results for service-based business owners. 🔗 Website: ProfitAndGrit.com 📍 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/thinktyler 📸 Instagram & TikTok: @profitandgrit Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home services and the trades 📅 Want to grow your business with smarter financial strategy? Book a free intro meeting

    33 min
  5. Scaling a Family Trade Business Without Losing the Culture - Chris Mazzini

    JAN 27

    Scaling a Family Trade Business Without Losing the Culture - Chris Mazzini

    Most family-owned trade businesses don’t struggle because they lack opportunity. Growth exposes cracks in systems, roles, and communication that were never an issue when the company was smaller. Chris Mazzini is a co-owner of Aspinwall Baystate Plumbing, a 50+ year family plumbing, heating, and HVAC business in Massachusetts. He’s lived the shift from paper calendars and day-to-day decision making to real systems, structure, and scale, without losing the culture that built the company. In this episode, we talk about what actually makes scaling a family business hard, where friction really comes from, and what it takes to modernize operations while keeping trust inside the business and with customers. This conversation is for owners running family or legacy trade businesses who want to grow without breaking the culture that made them successful. What You Will Learn in This Episode Why family businesses hit friction as they scaleHow growth exposes weak systems and unclear rolesWhy money creates the most tension in family companiesThe importance of defining lanes inside the businessWhy scheduling discipline builds customer trustHow reputation compounds over timeWhen ServiceTitan makes sense and what implementation really requiresThe pros and cons of property management workWhy COD work changes technician conversationsHow to scale without losing culture or legacyMore From Profit & Grit Book your complimentary Financial Insight Session with Tyler Martin, fractional CFO for home services and the trades, here: http://cfointrocall.com Learn more at http://cfomadeeasy.com Follow the show for weekly interviews with HVAC, plumbing, and home service owners and experts who share what it really takes to grow, scale, and profit in the trades. If you listen to any of the following shows, we’re sure you’ll love ours too! To The Point Home Services Podcast, Toolbox for the Trades, Masters of Home Service, Home Service Business Coach With David Moerman, BlueCollar.CEO, The Home Service Expert Podcast, Next Level Pros, Blue Collar Business Podcast, Home Service Millionaire with Mike Andes, The Contractor Fight with Tom Reber, and Blue Collar Success Group. 🎙️ Profit & Grit by Tyler Martin Real stories. Real strategy. Real results for service-based business owners. 🔗 Website: ProfitAndGrit.com 📍 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/thinktyler 📸 Instagram & TikTok: @profitandgrit Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home services and the trades 📅 Want to grow your business with smarter financial strategy? Book a free intro meeting

    46 min
  6. The “Super User” Risk That Can Cripple Your Business Overnight - Jenny Benbrook

    JAN 20

    The “Super User” Risk That Can Cripple Your Business Overnight - Jenny Benbrook

    Most home service owners think their tech problems are about tools. Jenny Benbrook would argue they’re about structure and intention. She’s spent years inside contractor tech stacks, and what consistently creates chaos isn’t bad software, it’s under-utilization, single-point failure risk, and buying tools without a plan. Jenny is the founder of Powerhouse Consulting Group, where she helps HVAC, plumbing, and electrical businesses actually get ROI from the software they already pay for. Her background spans marketing, data, and field service operations, giving her a clear view into why most contractors only use about 30% of their core systems. In this episode, we dig into the “super user” risk that can cripple a business overnight, shiny object syndrome in contractor tech, and why technology often becomes a silent profit killer. Jenny breaks down how to think about tech like a business plan, not a collection of subscriptions. We also talk about tech budgets, license waste, adoption resistance from technicians, and why explaining the “why” matters more than forcing compliance. Jenny shares how to build an intentional tech roadmap that supports growth instead of creating overwhelm. This conversation is for owners who feel buried in systems, frustrated by software spend, and want technology to actually make the business easier to run. What You Will Learn in This Episode Why most contractors only use ~30% of their softwareThe “super user” risk and how it exposes your businessWhy shiny object syndrome drains profitHow tech quietly becomes a productivity killerWhat a real technology plan looks likeWhy license waste is more common than owners realizeHow much contractors should budget for techWhy adoption fails without explaining the “why”How to reduce resistance from techniciansHow to turn technology into leverage instead of noiseMore From Profit & Grit Book your complimentary Financial Insight Session with Tyler Martin, fractional CFO for home services and the trades, here: http://cfointrocall.com Learn more at http://cfomadeeasy.com Follow the show for weekly interviews with HVAC, plumbing, and home service owners and experts who share what it really takes to grow, scale, and profit in the trades. If you listen to any of the following shows, we’re sure you’ll love ours too! To The Point Home Services Podcast, Toolbox for the Trades, Masters of Home Service, Home Service Business Coach With David Moerman, BlueCollar.CEO, The Home Service Expert Podcast, Next Level Pros, Blue Collar Business Podcast, Home Service Millionaire with Mike Andes, The Contractor Fight with Tom Reber, and Blue Collar Success Group. 🎙️ Profit & Grit by Tyler Martin Real stories. Real strategy. Real results for service-based business owners. 🔗 Website: ProfitAndGrit.com 📍 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/thinktyler 📸 Instagram & TikTok: @profitandgrit Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home services and the trades 📅 Want to grow your business with smarter financial strategy? Book a free intro meeting

    48 min
  7. The Rules You’re Living By Are Costing You Millions - Laura Kelly

    JAN 13

    The Rules You’re Living By Are Costing You Millions - Laura Kelly

    Most home service owners think their growth problems are tactical. Laura Kelly would argue they’re psychological. She’s helped hundreds of contractors grow 30% year over year, and what consistently holds owners back isn’t effort or opportunity, it’s owner dependency, unexamined rules, and decisions that aren’t aligned with the life they actually want. Laura is the co-founder of Clover Growth Partners, where she works with HVAC, plumbing, and electrical businesses to drive revenue, profit, and quality of life at the same time. Her background in psychology shapes how she approaches growth, leadership, and performance, focusing on systems that reduce burnout, increase accountability, and create momentum without chaos. In this episode, we dig into why knowing your numbers isn’t enough if you’re not acting on them early, how daily scorecards force better decisions, and why missing goals repeatedly creates cultural damage. Laura explains her DP Report framework, why teams should see the scoreboard, and how leaders should pivot quickly instead of hoping the month fixes itself. We also get into the real reason owners stay stuck in the field, how unconscious rules and identity traps keep them there, and why defining a “rich life” is the first step to breaking owner dependency. Laura shares how values and rules shape behavior, why most people make fulfillment harder than it needs to be, and how changing the rules can change everything. This conversation is for owners who are growing but feel more trapped than free, want better performance without burnout, and are ready to build a business that supports their life instead of competing with it. What You Will Learn in This Episode Why growth problems are often psychological, not tacticalWhy knowing your numbers without action still leads to missed goalsHow daily scorecards force faster, better decisionsWhy missing targets repeatedly damages cultureThe real reason owners struggle to get out of the fieldHow unconscious rules keep owners stuckWhat defining a “rich life” actually meansHow values and rules shape leadership behaviorWhy venting kills performance and resolution builds itHow to build systems that grow the business without burning you outMore From Profit & Grit Book your complimentary Financial Insight Session with Tyler Martin, fractional CFO for home services and the trades, here: http://cfointrocall.com Learn more at http://cfomadeeasy.com Follow the show for weekly interviews with HVAC, plumbing, and home service owners and experts who share what it really takes to grow, scale, and profit in the trades. If you listen to any of the following shows, we’re sure you’ll love ours too! To The Point Home Services Podcast, Toolbox for the Trades, Masters of Home Service, Home Service Business Coach With David Moerman, BlueCollar.CEO, The Home Service Expert Podcast, Next Level Pros, Blue Collar Business Podcast, Home Service Millionaire with Mike Andes, The Contractor Fight with Tom Reber, and Blue Collar Success Group 🎙️ Profit & Grit by Tyler Martin Real stories. Real strategy. Real results for service-based business owners. 🔗 Website: ProfitAndGrit.com 📍 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/thinktyler 📸 Instagram & TikTok: @profitandgrit Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home services and the trades 📅 Want to grow your business with smarter financial strategy? Book a free intro meeting

    48 min
  8. How to Fix Your Messy Data Before It Kills Your Margins - Bernie Ollila

    JAN 6

    How to Fix Your Messy Data Before It Kills Your Margins - Bernie Ollila

    Most home service owners think their systems problem is a software problem. Bernie Ollila will tell you the real issue is messy data, unclear ownership, and buying tools before knowing what you’re trying to fix. Bernie is Head of Partnerships and a partner at Titan Pro Technologies, a ServiceTitan consulting firm that works with growing HVAC, plumbing, and electrical businesses to clean up operations, pricing, and reporting. He spends his days inside real contractor accounts, seeing exactly where data breaks down and how those breakdowns quietly crush margins. In this episode, Bernie explains why ServiceTitan isn’t for everyone, and why rushing into it without clarity often makes problems worse. He breaks down the most common onboarding mistakes, why contractors buy features they never use, and how “garbage in, garbage out” data leads to bad pricing, bad decisions, and internal finger-pointing. A big focus of the conversation is the pricebook. Bernie walks through why the pricebook is the engine of the business, why it must be treated as a living system, and why someone in accounting usually ends up owning it. He also explains why trying to keep pricing “perfect” can be just as damaging as never updating it at all. This is a practical conversation for owners who feel stuck between growth and tech overwhelm, and want systems that support profit instead of complicating it. What You Will Learn in This Episode Who ServiceTitan is actually built for, and who should waitThe most common ServiceTitan onboarding mistakes contractors makeWhy buying too many features can be worse than buying too fewHow messy data quietly destroys marginsWhy the pricebook is the engine of the businessWhy the pricebook is never “done”Who should own the pricebook and why it’s rarely the ownerThe danger of obsessing over perfect pricingHow clean data eliminates internal blame and confusionWhy building systems that can scale matters even if you never plan to sellMore From Profit & Grit Book your complimentary Financial Insight Session with Tyler Martin, fractional CFO for home services and the trades, here: http://cfointrocall.com Learn more at http://cfomadeeasy.com Follow the show for weekly interviews with HVAC, plumbing, and home service owners and experts who share what it really takes to grow, scale, and profit in the trades. If you listen to any of the following shows, we’re sure you’ll love ours too! To The Point Home Services Podcast, Toolbox for the Trades, Masters of Home Service, Home Service Business Coach With David Moerman, BlueCollar.CEO, The Home Service Expert Podcast, Next Level Pros, Blue Collar Business Podcast, Home Service Millionaire with Mike Andes, The Contractor Fight with Tom Reber, and Blue Collar Success Group 🎙️ Profit & Grit by Tyler Martin Real stories. Real strategy. Real results for service-based business owners. 🔗 Website: ProfitAndGrit.com 📍 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/thinktyler 📸 Instagram & TikTok: @profitandgrit Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home services and the trades 📅 Want to grow your business with smarter financial strategy? Book a free intro meeting

    44 min
4.8
out of 5
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Profit and Grit is the no-BS weekly podcast for home service business owners and blue collar entrepreneurs. Each episode features real strategies from successful contractors and industry experts in HVAC, plumbing, electrical, roofing, and other trades. Hosted by Tyler Martin, a fractional CFO for home service businesses and the trades, Profit & Grit dives into growth, cash flow, hiring, pricing, and leadership. If you own or want to grow a business in the trades, this home service podcast will help you build a stronger, more profitable company.