Sink and Swim

Julie Granger

Sink into your truth, rewrite the story you were born to live, swim in your Soul’s purpose. Sink AND Swim is a podcast for high-achieving Luminaires ready to break free from the “sink or swim” societal narratives that dictate the “right” ways to live, work, parent, and be.  By paddling furiously to stay afloat and conform to the corset of "sink or swim" narratives, we are pulled away from our deepest and most authentic stories. This show illuminates the stories of Luminaires - gifted, talented, multidimensional, soul-led, and neurospicy people who have gone on the deep alchemical journey from telling a story of sink OR swim to sink AND swim.  Listeners are invited to “sink” into your raw, unfiltered stories, uncovering the gifts embedded in the parts of you that you were conditioned to hide and conform. There, you'll find the buoyancy to “swim” - fully embracing the freedom to be who you are, live out your soul's purpose, and attract people and opportunities that honor you in your full expansiveness.

  1. 6D AGO

    Notes From a Fart Walk: Your “Wellness Manager” Is Exhausting You: The Winter Reset You Actually Need

    Welcome to the very first Notes from a Fart Walk—a monthly digest episode inside Sink & Swim where nothing has to be polished, optimized, or resolved to be worth sharing. This episode is an invitation to metabolize life in real time. Not with hot takes, diagnoses, or “here’s what you should do”—but with honesty, humor, and a body-led pace that lets things stay half-formed. Julie shares why “fart walking” (moving, processing, and sometimes being a little messy with a witness) is her response to urgency culture, performative wisdom, and the pressure to always be the expert—especially for high-achieving women in healthcare, law, corporate, and entrepreneurial spaces. You’ll hear Julie sink into her own inner world—naming recovering good-girl conditioning, the fear of making waves, and what it feels like to reclaim her voice without needing agreement. She explores the shift from being the internal “wellness manager” to actually experiencing her life, especially in winter, when the body is wired to slow down, not optimize. This isn’t a teaching episode. It’s not a manifesto. It’s a walk. 00:58 — Orientation: how to listen with your body (without fixing, analyzing, or optimizing) 09:08 — What a “Fart Walk” actually is: creating space for unpolished, in-process life on the internet 13:54 — Why digestion matters more than consumption in a loud, urgent, certainty-obsessed world 27:47 — Sink Into the Deep End: Recovering Good Girl conditioning, palatability, and the fear of making waves 35:59 — Sink Into the Deep End: What feels stinky right now—letting go of urgency, optimization, and inherited narratives 42:48 — Sink Into the Deep End: Listening to your body in winter (slowing down, seasonal rhythms, and the “speed of love”) 47:14 — It’s a Team Effort: Friendship starvation, transactional connection, and why millennial women feel lonely despite success 52:31 — Swim Practice → Swim Meet: Turning inner truth into real life—values, nourishment, identity, and contribution 57:53 — Nourishment in perimenopause: carbs, energy, and unsubscribing from wellness culture fear 01:07:34 — Delight without purpose: maps, geology, and why unexpected connection matters If this episode speaks to you, hit subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend 👉Looking for more of where this came from? Sink deeper with coaching support from Julie and Book a Soul Story Mapping Session Keep up with what's going on by joining the Notes from a Fart Walk Newsletter and don't miss an episode or update Watch full video episodes and clips on Youtube Social Media: Follow Julie for clips, bonus content, and updates throughout the week. You can also shoot her a DM to connect! Instagram @drjuliegranger, Substack @drjuliegranger LinkedIn juliegrangerdpt

    1h 8m
  2. The Power of Being a Niche Switcher — TaVona Denise on Reinvention, Voice, and Trusting the Pivot

    10/22/2025

    The Power of Being a Niche Switcher — TaVona Denise on Reinvention, Voice, and Trusting the Pivot

    When you’ve built a life that looks successful on paper but still feels like a tight corset, reinvention can feel like both rebellion and relief.  In this candid, laughter-filled, deeply honest conversation, Julie sits down with her longtime friend and fellow former PT, TaVona Boggs — Master Certified Coach, fractional CRO, and host of Breaking Protocol — to explore what happens when your identity, career, and even your literal voice all demand a new evolution. Together, they unpack: The bravery of letting go when something no longer fitsThe “niche switcher” wound and how it weaponizes multidimensionalityThe body’s role in reinvention (including losing her voice for 10 weeks)The grief and power of midlife, perimenopause, and changing identitiesWhy athletes often make the best entrepreneurs — and how pain tolerance, curiosity, and trust build resilienceEqual parts practical and soulful, this episode is a permission slip for every high-achieving woman afraid that changing direction means starting over. As TaVona reminds us: “You can’t listen to the world. You have to listen to yourself.” 03:15 – Letting Go and Being a ‘Niche Switcher’   07:28 – Reinvention and Becoming a Fractional CRO   12:10 – Listening to Yourself Over the World   15:15 – The Rule-Breaker’s Defiance   20:21 – The Right of Exile   24:36 – Losing Her Voice: When the Body Speaks   29:02 – Titrating Truth & Reclaiming the Voice   33:12 – Joy, Aliveness & Counter-Culture   36:23 – Enter the CRO Era   43:05 – The Athlete Archetype   46:23 – Identity, Loss & Integration   56:24 – Closing Reflections   Love what you hear? Learn more from Tavona at @tavonadenise on IG If this episode speaks to you, hit subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend 👉Looking for more of where this came from? Sink deeper with coaching support from Julie and Book a Soul Story Mapping Session Keep up with what's going on by joining the Notes from a Fart Walk Newsletter and don't miss an episode or update Watch full video episodes and clips on Youtube Social Media: Follow Julie for clips, bonus content, and updates throughout the week. You can also shoot her a DM to connect! Instagram @drjuliegranger, Substack @drjuliegranger LinkedIn juliegrangerdpt

    59 min
  3. Write the Damn Book (and Trust Yourself While You’re At It): Elizabeth Lyons on Storytelling and Letting It Be Enough

    10/08/2025

    Write the Damn Book (and Trust Yourself While You’re At It): Elizabeth Lyons on Storytelling and Letting It Be Enough

    When bestselling author and publishing mentor Elizabeth Lyons joins Julie for a conversation about trusting your voice, what unfolds is a deeply human, hilarious, and refreshingly honest look at the creative process—from loosening the “Conformity Corset” to navigating self-doubt, self-trust, and sourdough starters. Together they explore what it really takes to write (and live) in your own voice—without needing Oprah’s approval or a book deal to prove it. 00:00 – “Breaking News & Beginnings” Julie shares breaking news — she’s finished her first book draft (!!) — and introduces Elizabeth Lyons, six-time author, mentor, and queen of saying the quiet parts of the creative process out loud. 06:45 – “The Responsibility of Storytelling” A deep dive into the ethics of memoir: how to revisit truth without re-traumatizing yourself or your reader, and why every powerful story has to “land the plane.” 12:48 – “What Every Aspiring Author Should Know” Elizabeth debunks the biggest myths in publishing — from “write a book in a weekend” to “everyone else has it figured out” — and shares her real-world wisdom on patience, process, and staying power. 17:15 – “From Editor to Author: The Art of Self-Trust” How to trust your voice when doubt creeps in, why creative insecurity is actually a sign of integrity, and what happens when you stop trying to “do writing right.” 27:40 – “The Brené Brown Fantasy: Publishing Realities & Industry Illusions” A truth-bomb conversation about traditional vs. indie publishing, why The Today Show doesn’t sell books, and how chasing visibility can strangle your creative joy. 43:50 – “Loosening the Conformity Corset” Elizabeth gets raw about unlearning people-pleasing, learning to feel safe being herself, and surrounding herself with people who let her breathe — not bind. 57:40 – “Future You, Present Peace” Her signature practice: journaling as “future you.” How it rewires self-trust, softens anxiety, and helps her move through creative life with more ease and humor. 1:06:20 – “The Sourdough Era & The Permission to Begin Again” They close with laughter, carbs, and creative metaphor — from sourdough starters and Highland cows to the tattoo that reminds us all: you can always begin again. Love what you hear and want to learn more from Elizabeth? Check out her website www.elizabethlyons.com and follow her on instagram @elizabethlyonsauthor If this episode speaks to you, hit subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend 👉Looking for more of where this came from? Sink deeper with coaching support from Julie and Book a Soul Story Mapping Session Keep up with what's going on by joining the Notes from a Fart Walk Newsletter and don't miss an episode or update Watch full video episodes and clips on Youtube Social Media: Follow Julie for clips, bonus content, and updates throughout the week. You can also shoot her a DM to connect! Instagram @drjuliegranger, Substack @drjuliegranger LinkedIn juliegrangerdpt

    1h 27m
  4. 10/01/2025

    Regulation Isn’t Always About Zen: Audrey Burke on Flexible Nervous Systems and the Fight for Fierce Boundaries

    Nervous System Regulation is having its moment, and we love that for it.  But what if regulation isn’t about staying calm, but about reclaiming flexibility, boundaries, and embodied strength as a sensitive high-achiever? In this episode, Julie reconnects with longtime friend and Somatic Experiencing® practitioner Audrey Burke to explore what real nervous-system “regulation” is (hint: it’s flexibility, not monk-on-a-mountaintop calm).  Audrey traces her path from dancer/yoga teacher to trauma-informed touch work, unpacking why co-regulation and consent-based touch can complete stress cycles when talking can’t. Together they name the difference between embodiment and “moving without being in your body,” the balance of internal/external locus of control, and how sensitive, intuitive women can build boundaries without abandoning compassion.  Audrey shares practical boundary practices (the yarn exercise, push-hands “I can” reps), reframes healthy aggression as protecting life-force, and explains why titration beats catharsis.  Julie weaves in the Conformity Corset, parts-work in coaching, and the both/and of mobilization and rest.  They close with real-life community building beyond “pay-to-play,” and the advice they’d give their younger, hyper-capable selves: trust your body’s cues—and let that be enough. From Movement to Embodiment — 01:03  Audrey’s journey from dancer and yoga teacher to Somatic Experiencing® Practitioner — and the difference between moving your body vs. being in your body.The Power of Touch — 03:23  Why touch can be a missing piece in trauma healing and regulation, and how it differs from talk therapy or manual therapy.Redefining Regulation — 08:01  Unpacking misconceptions about regulation (it’s not endless calm), and reclaiming fight/flight energy as part of a flexible, responsive nervous system.Context, Culture & the Nervous System — 11:32  Exploring locus of control, trauma, and how regulation can’t be separated from culture, systems, and social context.Boundaries & Sensitivity — 43:13  Somatic practices like the yarn circle and relationship mapping, the challenges of being a highly sensitive person, and reframing boundaries as acts of care.Reclaiming Healthy Aggression — 56:29  How suppressed fight responses impact safety, and how titrated exercises help sensitive people feel both strong and relaxed at the same time.Belonging & Community — 1:08:19 Turning 40, moving back to Durham, longing for non-monetized circles, and building community rooted in secure, ongoing relationships.Love what you hear from Audrey and If this episode speaks to you, hit subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend 👉Looking for more of where this came from? Sink deeper with coaching support from Julie and Book a Soul Story Mapping Session Keep up with what's going on by joining the Notes from a Fart Walk Newsletter and don't miss an episode or update Watch full video episodes and clips on Youtube Social Media: Follow Julie for clips, bonus content, and updates throughout the week. You can also shoot her a DM to connect! Instagram @drjuliegranger, Substack @drjuliegranger LinkedIn juliegrangerdpt

    1h 21m
  5. 09/24/2025

    When Your Heart Stops and Life Really Starts: Dr. Kate Mihevc Edwards on Reinventing Her Athlete Identity and Building a Life + Career She Loves

    In this heartfelt and powerful episode of Sink and Swim, Julie sits down with one of her oldest friends and PT school classmates, Dr. Kate Mihevc Edwards—a renowned running medicine specialist, clinic founder, author, and entrepreneur. Kate shares the life-altering moment when her body forced her to stop mid-run, igniting a years-long journey through misdiagnoses, identity loss, and ultimately the discovery of a rare genetic heart condition. Together, Julie and Kate reflect on the irony of being healthcare providers who ignored their own bodies, the devastating unraveling of an athletic identity, and the courage it takes to rebuild life and purpose on new terms. From launching her own clinic to building the RunSource app, writing books, and raising her son while navigating his inherited genetic risk, Kate has turned her crisis into a blueprint for healing and integrative care that blends science and soul. Their conversation weaves together laughter, tears, and hard-earned wisdom about agency, boundaries, motherhood, entrepreneurship, and the unexpected beauty of slowing down. 00:00 – Old Friends, New Conversation Meet Kate, her laughter, and her unique blend of science and soul. 02:41 – The Run That Changed Everything Kate recounts the terrifying moment of going into ventricular tachycardia on a neighborhood run. 06:34 – Misdiagnoses, Identity Loss, and Finally the Truth  Nine months of tests, dismissals, and finally a diagnosis of arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy. 13:47 – Agency in the Face of Medicine  Why Kate said “no” to immediate surgery and chose to make decisions on her own terms. 15:39 – Leaving the Job, Building Precision  How a toxic clinic environment and personal health crisis pushed Kate to start her own practice. 28:18 – From Clinic to Community Impact  Growing Precision, collaborating with the Atlanta Track Club, and creating the RunSource app. 37:55 – Science Meets Soul  Kate explains how her patient work, research, and new podcast bridge medicine with intuition and humanity. 49:50 – A New Kind of “Retirement”  Kate’s reimagined lifestyle of white space, boundaries, and putting her health first. 56:17 – Lightning Round  From eagle spirit animals to pineapple on pizza, Kate shares her quirks and hidden pleasures. 1:04:55 – What She’d Tell Her Past Self The wisdom Kate would whisper to the version of herself still clinging to the Garmin data. Love what you hear and want to learn more from Kate? Follow her on instagram at @katemihevcedwards Visit her website at If this episode speaks to you, hit subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend 👉Looking for more of where this came from? Sink deeper with coaching support from Julie and Book a Soul Story Mapping Session Keep up with what's going on by joining the Notes from a Fart Walk Newsletter and don't miss an episode or update Watch full video episodes and clips on Youtube Social Media: Follow Julie for clips, bonus content, and updates throughout the week. You can also shoot her a DM to connect! Instagram @drjuliegranger, Substack @drjuliegranger LinkedIn juliegrangerdpt

    1h 7m
  6. 09/17/2025

    Soul Story Mapping: from “I’m Fine” to “I’m Fully Alive”

    This one’s a sacred pause. If you’ve been feeling restless, unclear, or unmoored—this one’s for you. It’s a slow-down episode meant to meet you right where you are.  Before we dive into logistics or client stories, I invite you to grab your tea, go for a walk, or settle in with a journal and let this be a moment to exhale. In this episode, I reflect on the tension of being in the “valley of becoming,” that strange in-between where what used to fit doesn’t anymore — but what’s next still feels hazy.  I talk about why I believe this season of life is not a crisis but an awakening, how the Conformity Corset shows up when you’ve outgrown your old map, and why that uncomfortable tug in your body is actually a sign you’re right on time. I share why I created the 90-minute Soul Story Mapping session for ambitious, midlife, athlete-hearted women who’ve outgrown the old map but don’t want to torch their lives to find the new one.  I trace my own pivots (swimmer → clinician → entrepreneur → Soul Story Guide), name the “Conformity Corset,” and explain why tension is a sign you’re right on time. You’ll hear two real-world vignettes—Holly (from “fine” to free) and Elena (manual therapist unlacing a gilded cage)—and I guide you through a brief somatic reflection to feel your next chapter.  I close with a limited-time offer (two sessions for the price of one through Sept 2025) and exactly who this is for: women in healthcare, founders, and athlete-types in a midlife awakening who crave personalized, drop-in support. 00:00 — Sacred Pause & What’s New: Why Soul Story Mapping exists 05:15 — What It Is (and Isn’t): How the session actually works 07:06 — My Valley of Becoming: Athlete roots, pivots, and the Body-to-Soul line 11:20 — Who It’s For: Healthcare leaders, entrepreneurs, and athlete-hearted women (aka Midlife Awakening) 24:19 — Out in the Wild: Holly’s “fine” → freedom arc (titrated change, real results) 44:11 — How We Map: Session flow, Voxer support, and a guided visualization and drop in 49:10 —Session Invitation  & Next Steps (link in show notes) Soul Mapping Session Website: Discover more & sign up for a Soul Mapping Session by tapping here. If this episode speaks to you, hit subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend 👉Looking for more of where this came from? Sink deeper with coaching support from Julie and Book a Soul Story Mapping Session Keep up with what's going on by joining the Notes from a Fart Walk Newsletter and don't miss an episode or update Watch full video episodes and clips on Youtube Social Media: Follow Julie for clips, bonus content, and updates throughout the week. You can also shoot her a DM to connect! Instagram @drjuliegranger, Substack @drjuliegranger LinkedIn juliegrangerdpt

    51 min
  7. Bad Mom City USA: Dr. Jackie Roelofs on Finding Yourself in Motherhood

    09/03/2025

    Bad Mom City USA: Dr. Jackie Roelofs on Finding Yourself in Motherhood

    Pelvic floor PT and mom-of-two Dr. Jackie Roelofs (aka @drjuicyjackie) joins Julie to tell the truth about motherhood when the dream life and the day-to-day don’t match.  Jackie traces her origin story from PT student with debilitating cycle-linked back pain and an “I-know-it’s-endo” hunch, through COVID-era diagnosis and surgery, to rebuilding trust in her body and becoming the mirror she once needed for other moms.  Together they unpack identity loss after birth, nervous-system spirals, and why the goal isn’t perfect regulation—it’s surrendering to the mess and finding safety again. Jackie introduces her “unprogrammed program” for real postpartum strength (two minutes counts!), gives permission to care about aesthetics and grieve what’s changed, and coins the now-iconic Bad Mom City USA.  The episode closes with a Swiftie lightning round and Jackie’s story of dragging herself to the Eras Tour in the thick of postpartum anxiety—how scream-singing became medicine—and the two whispers she’d give any mom in the spiral: trust yourself and you’re not alone. 01:00 — A Love Letter to Moms + Meet Dr. Jackie 09:58 — From a Knowing Nod to an Endo Hunch: Jackie’s Origin Story 23:02 — COVID Pause, Diagnosis & the Pivot to Pelvic PT 44:21 — Motherhood Identity Shift: Strategy vs. Surrender 56:23 — The Unprogrammed Program: Grief, Body Image & Permission 1:03:28 — Bad Mom City USA + Eras Tour: Joy, Tears & Repair Love what you hear and want to connect with Jackie?  Follow her on Instagram @drjuicyjackie  If this episode speaks to you, hit subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend 👉Looking for more of where this came from? Sink deeper with coaching support from Julie and Book a Soul Story Mapping Session Keep up with what's going on by joining the Notes from a Fart Walk Newsletter and don't miss an episode or update Watch full video episodes and clips on Youtube Social Media: Follow Julie for clips, bonus content, and updates throughout the week. You can also shoot her a DM to connect! Instagram @drjuliegranger, Substack @drjuliegranger LinkedIn juliegrangerdpt

    1h 25m
5
out of 5
5 Ratings

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Sink into your truth, rewrite the story you were born to live, swim in your Soul’s purpose. Sink AND Swim is a podcast for high-achieving Luminaires ready to break free from the “sink or swim” societal narratives that dictate the “right” ways to live, work, parent, and be.  By paddling furiously to stay afloat and conform to the corset of "sink or swim" narratives, we are pulled away from our deepest and most authentic stories. This show illuminates the stories of Luminaires - gifted, talented, multidimensional, soul-led, and neurospicy people who have gone on the deep alchemical journey from telling a story of sink OR swim to sink AND swim.  Listeners are invited to “sink” into your raw, unfiltered stories, uncovering the gifts embedded in the parts of you that you were conditioned to hide and conform. There, you'll find the buoyancy to “swim” - fully embracing the freedom to be who you are, live out your soul's purpose, and attract people and opportunities that honor you in your full expansiveness.