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Welcome to Leaders List Show, where CEOs and business leaders get the insights they need to scale smarter. We break down leadership strategies, business operating systems, and personal CRMs to help you optimize growth, retention, and exit value. No fluff, just real conversations with experts who’ve been there. Subscribe now and stay ahead of the curve!

  1. 1d ago

    Knowing When to Grow: Efficiency, Complexity, and a Company Rebuild

    Growth is usually treated as the goal, but each new stage adds complexity that can outweigh the benefit. The harder question is whether the next stage is worth what it takes. In this episode of The Leaders List Show, Bryon Morrison sits down with Jonathan Hughes, CEO of Five Star Global, to discuss when to grow, how to grow efficiently, and why bigger is not always better. Hughes leads a company built on a hub and spoke model, where shared teams for events, membership, media, and education support multiple trade associations, including the Five Star Institute in the mortgage industry and the Alliance of M&A Advisors. He became CEO in January 2020 with about 70 percent of revenue tied to events, then spent two years right sizing the company after the pandemic, reducing staff by roughly half. He explains how that experience shaped his view of growth breakpoints such as 25, 50, and 100 employees, why compliance and human resources demands change the math, and why he now focuses on making employees more efficient and better decision makers before adding headcount. Hughes also describes how he introduced artificial intelligence through company managed accounts, a project for each user, and weekly meetings to share what works. Key insights from the conversation include:◾ Why growth breakpoints add compliance, human resources, and management complexity that should be weighed before expanding.◾ How a shared operating platform lets a company support several businesses and evaluate acquisitions on contribution margin.◾ Why empowering employees to work efficiently and make decisions can come before adding headcount.◾ How projects and weekly meetings turn employee use of artificial intelligence into a managed practice instead of a data risk. For CEOs, Hughes suggests revisiting the decisions made during lean periods before adding people or tools during good ones. Those lessons help separate growth that adds capacity from growth that only adds complexity. Watch the full episode to learn how to decide when growth is worth the added complexity and how to build a leaner team that does more.

  2. 1d ago

    Valley of Death: How to Protect Your Culture Between Growth Stages

    Every growth stage has a hidden cost. Processes that work at 50 employees often stop working at 150, and the stretch in between is where companies get hurt.In this episode of The Leaders List Show, Bryon Morrison sits down with Jessica Nunez, Founder and CEO of True Point Communications, to discuss how to protect culture, people, and momentum through growth transitions.Nunez started True Point in 2006 and has led it through 20 years as an integrated marketing and communications firm. The company has 45 employees, and she describes the current year as a sustaining year rather than a push for a bigger number. She explains why the stretch between growth milestones feels like a valley of death, why processes break before anyone notices the company has outgrown them, and why she pays for management training before people become managers.She also covers how her firm approaches artificial intelligence, with training and performance reviews tied to using it to differentiate rather than just adopt it. Nunez closes with what service firm leaders should put on their lists: thought leadership, brand reputation, and visible executive presence, along with the case for handing off work that is not the owner's craft.Key insights from the conversation include:◾ Why systems and processes break first when a company outgrows its current size, and how to rebuild them while still operating.◾ How knowledge sharing and management training before promotion improve the client experience.◾ Why a sustaining year can protect key people and clients while leaving room to differentiate with artificial intelligence.◾ Why brand reputation and executive visibility build trust that a company can draw on when conditions change.For CEOs, the practical question is whether the company is feeling temporary growing pains or has reached a real stage change. Nunez points to broken processes and new frustrations as the signal, and she asks her leadership team to map the path through it instead of relying on the founder alone.Watch the full episode to learn how to protect your people, culture, and brand while your company moves through its next growth stage.

  3. Sep 28

    The Sales Leadership Trap: Why Top Sellers Aren't Automatically Great Leaders

    Most organizations promote their top salesperson into leadership and expect the team to start performing like that person did. Selling and leading are different skill sets, and treating one as proof of the other can weaken team performance while removing the company's best producer from the field. In this episode of The Leaders List Show, Bryon Morrison sits down with Dr. Richard Conde, Associate Professor at the University of Houston-Downtown, and Terry Moore, Senior Vice President of Operations at Tivly, co-authors of Built to Sell, Not to Lead, to discuss why sales leadership development has barely changed in decades and what leaders should do differently. Dr. Conde and Terry argue that sales organizations keep rewarding individual performance instead of identifying leadership ability. Dr. Conde cites research showing that teams led by promoted top sales agents see a 34% decline in performance, and he points to the traits that signal real leadership potential: curiosity, comfort giving people autonomy, a growth mindset, and the ability to coach and give useful feedback. Both guests challenge the belief that incentives drive behavior, noting that research suggests money motivates only a small share of people. The conversation then turns to the analytical side of sales leadership. Dr. Conde explains why most funnel metrics are reporting rather than analytics, and how simple regression models and necessary condition analysis reveal which variables actually influence outcomes. As a sales executive, he found that only three of the 16 measures his team tracked had a meaningful link to results. Terry describes applying these ideas at Tivly, from testing long-held operating rules against data to developing managers in-house as coaches, and explains the difference between the culture leaders inherit and the climate they control. Key insights from the conversation include: ◾ Why promoting top sales performers without assessing leadership ability can weaken team results and cost you a strong producer ◾ Which traits, including curiosity, autonomy, and a growth mindset, signal that someone is ready to develop people ◾ How a simple regression analysis, even run with an artificial intelligence tool, can show which activities actually drive revenue or attrition ◾ How front-line managers can shape their team's climate and outperform within a corporate culture they do not control For CEOs, this conversation highlights a leadership pipeline problem that extends well beyond sales. Growing companies often promote their best performers by default, whether in sales, engineering, or operations. Pairing human leadership skills with analytical rigor gives executives a better way to choose, develop, and measure the leaders responsible for growth. Watch the full episode to learn how to identify real sales leadership potential and replace gut-feel decisions with data that shows what actually drives performance.

  4. Sep 28

    Employee Benefits Are a CEO Decision, Not Just an HR Task | with Allison De Paoli

    For most companies, employee benefits are the second largest expense after payroll, yet many leaders approve the health plan renewal with far less scrutiny than they give to smaller costs. That gap leaves spending, compliance exposure, and the employee experience in the hands of a system that rarely works in the employer's favor. In this episode of The Leaders List Show, Bryon Morrison sits down with Allison De Paoli, Founder of Altiqe, to discuss how employers can stop treating health care as an unavoidable cost and start managing it as a strategic financial decision. Allison argues that the health insurance system is built to serve the people who run it, not employers or their employees. She explains why a claim is not simply a claim: the same procedure can be paid very differently depending on the vendor, where a prescription is filled can change its cost significantly, and more expensive care is not necessarily better care. She describes the right role for a benefits advisor as a general contractor who helps develop the plan specifications, finds vendors that meet them, and holds those vendors accountable. She also walks through how cost control strategies expand with company size, from health reimbursement arrangements for smaller groups to self-funding and direct oversight of third party administrator and pharmacy contracts as companies approach 100 employees. Allison shares client examples, including an on-site clinic for an 800-employee company where participating employees cost about $1,200 less per year, and a near-site clinic that reduced a 100-employee client's small-claims spending from $447,000 to roughly $200,000. Key insights from the conversation include: ◾ Why benefits spending deserves the same financial rigor CEOs apply to every other major business expense ◾ How the same procedure or prescription can cost radically different amounts depending on the vendor, contract, and provider ◾ What a benefits advisor should do as a general contractor who sets specifications and holds vendors accountable ◾ How gaps in broker compensation disclosure and Affordable Care Act reporting create preventable enterprise risk For CEOs, this conversation reframes health care from a line item handed off at renewal time into a controllable cost with real impact on margins, employee retention, and risk. It shows how greater visibility into claims, contracts, and vendors opens up options many employers assume they are too small to use. Watch the full episode to learn how to gain visibility into your health plan and manage benefits costs with the same discipline you apply to the rest of the business.

  5. Sep 19

    From Procter & Gamble to Founder: Brad Casper on Rebranding a Fast-Growing Agency

    Rapid growth can hide a deeper problem. A company can land clients, hire fast, and hit every revenue target while still drifting away from the identity its founders set out to build. That gap between success and intention is exactly what Brad Casper confronted three years into building his own agency. In this episode of The Leaders List Show, Bryon Morrison sits down with Brad Casper, Co-Founder of Heart and Soul Marketing, to discuss business growth, brand repositioning, and leadership during scaling. Casper spent more than four decades in senior executive roles at companies including Procter and Gamble, Dial, and the Phoenix Suns before becoming a first time founder at Heart and Soul Marketing, an independent advertising agency based in Phoenix, Arizona. He explains how the agency grew from a handful of employees to more than thirty across twelve states, and why fast early success led him and his co-founder to ask a harder question: had they actually become the agency they intended to build. That question led to a full brand repositioning, including a new logo, color palette, and website, grounded in a clearer understanding of what the agency does best. Casper also shares how he approaches team building and culture as the company scales, why he prioritizes employee experience as the foundation for client service, and how he is thinking about executive hiring as the business moves into its next growth stage. Key insights from the conversation include: ◾ Why fast early growth can mask a lack of clarity about brand identity and positioning ◾ How leaders can decide what to be excellent at and what to intentionally not build in house ◾ Why prioritizing employee experience directly improves client retention and service quality ◾ What signals indicate it is time to bring in senior leadership rather than continue to wear every hat For CEOs, this conversation offers a practical look at how business growth can outpace strategic clarity, and why founders need to periodically test whether their company still reflects the vision they started with. It shows why leadership accountability, executive hiring, and company culture decisions become more important, not less, as a business scales. Watch the full episode to learn how Brad Casper rebuilt his agency's brand and leadership approach after three years of fast growth.

  6. Sep 19

    Leading Succession: National Brand Strategy with Local Market Execution

    Multi-location brands face a constant tension. Corporate strategy has to work at a national level, but the customers walking into any single location experience the brand locally. Getting that balance wrong creates friction between corporate teams, franchisees, and the agencies trying to serve both. In this episode of The Leaders List Show, Bryon Morrison sits down with Matt Powell, CEO of Moroch, to discuss leadership succession, agency culture, and executing marketing strategy across multi-location and franchise brands. Powell has spent 25 years at Moroch, a Dallas-based advertising agency now in its 45th year, whose original client, McDonald's, remains a client today. He explains how he moved from media planner to CEO after the agency's founder retired and asked him to lead the next chapter, and what it took to earn that trust while still finding his own way to run the business. Powell describes how Moroch approaches multi-location marketing differently depending on a brand's growth stage, from early-stage brands with a handful of locations to mature national accounts, and why the agency intentionally does not try to serve every type of client. Powell also shares how Moroch has adapted its culture and services around artificial intelligence, why he continues to invest in entry-level talent even as some organizations pull back, and how the agency approaches partnerships with other independent agencies rather than trying to build every capability in house. Key insights from the conversation include: ◾ Why brands need both a national strategy and a market by market understanding of local culture ◾ How agencies should adjust their approach based on a client's growth stage and number of locations ◾ What leadership succession requires beyond naming a successor, including a multiyear timeline ◾ Why treating agency partnerships as collaboration rather than competition creates more long term value For CEOs, this conversation offers a practical look at how leadership transitions, agency partnerships, and workforce strategy have to evolve together as a business scales across markets. It shows why succession planning and cultural continuity matter just as much as the strategy itself. Watch the full episode to learn how Matt Powell approaches leadership succession and multi-location brand strategy at Moroch.

  7. Sep 15

    Surviving Two Recessions, Refusing Private Equity, and Managing AI With Fortune 500 Clients

    When private equity firms came calling, Joel Kaplan turned them down. Not because the offers were bad, but because he knew what they would cost him: the culture he had spent nearly two decades building at MK3 Creative. In this episode of The Leaders List Show, Bryon Morrison sits down with Joel Kaplan, CEO and Founder of MK3 Creative, to discuss how he built a succession plan without selling the company, how he keeps a mid-sized creative agency's pipeline full, and how he is navigating client demands around artificial intelligence. Kaplan has led MK3 Creative through the 2008 downturn, the COVID shutdown of live events, and now the shift toward artificial intelligence, and he credits staying adaptable rather than coasting as the reason the agency is still standing at nearly 20 years old. When private equity firms and brokers began reaching out about acquisition, he realized selling would have meant handing the culture over to an ownership group focused purely on financial return. Instead, he brought two long-tenured team members in as partners, a decision that forced him to be more accountable and gave the agency leadership beyond a single founder. He also breaks down why sales and relationship management, not creative output alone, keep a services business alive, and why some of his largest clients in finance and healthcare are currently prohibiting the use of AI on their accounts entirely, even as his own creative team uses it daily to speed up ideation. Key insights from the conversation include: ◾ Why turning down private equity offers protected company culture and led to an internal succession plan instead of an outside sale ◾ How treating pipeline and relationship management as a daily leadership priority keeps a mid-sized creative agency sustainable ◾ Why some Fortune 500 clients in finance and healthcare are banning agency use of AI on their accounts over data privacy and IP concerns ◾ What changed internally after bringing in partners, including new accountability structures and a shift away from single-founder decision making For CEOs, this conversation is a practical look at succession planning that does not require selling the business, and a reminder that staying relevant through economic downturns, industry shifts, and new technology depends on adaptability rather than any single skill or product. Watch the full episode to learn how Joel Kaplan built succession into his agency, kept his pipeline full through two recessions, and is managing client restrictions on AI.

  8. Sep 14

    Brand Equity, M&A Communications, and Winning Trust Before the Deal

    Deals rarely collapse over numbers. They collapse because the market never learned who the company was before the deal was announced, and by then it is too late to change the story. In this episode of The Leaders List Show, Bryon Morrison sits down with Kathleen Lucente, Founder of Red Fan Communications, to discuss why brand equity and communications strategy determine the outcome of mergers and acquisitions. Kathleen built Red Fan into a senior boutique tech PR firm after two decades working inside IBM Research, JPMorgan Chase, and major agencies, and she has seen firsthand what separates companies that command a premium at exit from those that get treated as a commodity. She explains why brand positioning is an operational decision, not a marketing one, and why founders who wait until a deal is close to build their narrative end up negotiating from behind. The conversation covers how stakeholder messaging gets overlooked during M&A, why internal communications can make or break a deal's landing, and what leaders should be doing years in advance to build a brand that compounds in value. Key insights from the conversation include: ◾ Why brand positioning should be treated as an operational priority years before a company considers a sale, not a task handled during deal preparation ◾ How stakeholder communication and internal messaging determine whether a merger or acquisition lands smoothly or creates lasting damage ◾ What leaders often overlook when trying to sell a business, including outdated brand assets, weak market visibility, and no clear succession story ◾ How consistent thought leadership, media presence, and a defined market position create measurable brand equity that directly affects deal value For CEOs, this conversation is a reminder that reputation is an asset that compounds whether or not leadership manages it on purpose. It shows why building brand equity, preparing stakeholders, and defining a clear market position before a deal is on the table can be the difference between negotiating from strength and negotiating from behind. Watch the full episode to learn how brand equity, communications strategy, and stakeholder trust shape the outcome of an M&A deal long before the paperwork is signed.

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Welcome to Leaders List Show, where CEOs and business leaders get the insights they need to scale smarter. We break down leadership strategies, business operating systems, and personal CRMs to help you optimize growth, retention, and exit value. No fluff, just real conversations with experts who’ve been there. Subscribe now and stay ahead of the curve!

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    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
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