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Pat Doering
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The stories of Hostage and Crisis Negotiation have been collecting for decades. Join Crisis Negotiator Trainer Pat Doering as he shares the legends, details and information all of us should know about the valuable lesson inside The Crisis Cop Podcast.

  1. Sep 23

    Tickets to Your Favorite Gun Show: The J Higgins 1017 Shotgun

    Family: it’s the most powerful force shaping our lives — yes, even more powerful than the explosives behind every hunting shot. The hunting rifle is more than just a tool; it’s the centerpiece of many families’ stories and traditions. But when it comes to celebrating legacy firearms and tickets to your favorite gun show, we ask: where are the Shotguns at? The answer? Right here, today, on the show. In this episode, we’re joined by father, crisis negotiator and outdoorsman, Dan Asher. Dan brings incredible insight — not just into the artistry of the J Higgins Model 1017 shotgun, but also into what legacy truly means to multiple generations of his family in Missouri. Join us as Dan opens up about his love for shotguns, and the family stories it carries, inside today’s episode of 2GuysTalkingGuns.   The 2GuysTalkingGuns Podcast Links Bar:  Connect with The Host!     Subscribe to This Podcast Now!     This program is one of the many parts of The WhatCopsWatch.Com Effort! Rate this podcast on Apple Podcasts. the Ultimate success for every podcaster is FEEDBACK! Not an Apple Podcasts user? No problem! Be sure to check out any of the other many growing podcast directories online to find this and many other podcasts on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network! -- 2GuysTalking Guns/2GuysTalking is Now an Official USCCA Business Partner!   Housekeeping -- The USCCA - Education, Peace of Mind and More: The USCCA is a centerpiece of education for 2GuysTalkingGuns, in that Mike Wilkerson is a USCCA-Certified Firearms Instructor. Be sure to check out the USCCA to understand the benefits of incident insurance that goes far deeper than simply events involving a firearm. Protect your family by educating yourselves about the USCCA. 2GuysTalking is an Official Partner Organization of The USCCA. https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ -- The Editor Corps - Make Your Podcast Soar: There's only one question to ask: Why are YOU still editing your podcast? Reclaim the time you spend on editing (easily at least twice the time you spend on capturing the program) to make more great content by enlisting "The Editor Corps" who will "Make Your Podcast Soar!" http://EditorCorps.Com -- The Voice Farm: Fred Wilkerson, Mike's Father that died in the first few days of 2018, always dreamed of a place that those interested in Voiceover could go to learn more about the industry and experience - without all the BS that goes with it. We build it four and a half years go and it continues to provide new voiceover artists and businesses looking for voiceover talent a place to go and secure great voiceover artists. http://VoiceFarmers.Com   Foster the Goals and Connect with 2GuysTalkingGuns: It's EASY to do it all! Whether you're sending us equipment, gear or your latest doo-dad, or want to get the T-shirts that foster our educational goals you can do it all here! Send your items to us at: 2GuysTalking 1200 Lake Saint Louis Boulevard  Lake Saint Louis, MO 63367 Connect with us via our quick web form or socials listed above...     Two Great Ways to Listen/Watch! We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://youtu.be/kEnK_-7yTRk The Detailed Shownotes for This Episode of 2GuysTalkingGuns: Looking for the detailed links, information and references used inside this episode? Read on below to find them all and remember to reach out to ask if there's something else you'd like to see from this episode!   Timestamps for This Episode of 2GuysTalkingGuns: 00:00 Talking about legacy firearms and memories 05:13 Advice on preserving leather jackets 12:27 Father-son bonding and course benefits 19:54 Importance of Team Chemistry in Policing 24:37 Getting involved with the podcast reviews 28:05 Looking for junior shooting leagues in Missouri 32:40 Understanding shotgun chokes and spread 38:56 Cherished memories of influential mentors 43:04 Discussing rabbit and squirrel recipes 49:29 Exploring diverse food preferences and options 54:41 Family outings for clay shooting practice 59:40 Importance of heritage and legacy discussed 01:03:40 Concluding the episode and goodbyes   Questions Answered Inside This Episode of 2GuysTalkingGuns: How do legacy firearms help preserve family history and heritage, according to the stories shared in this episode? What role do personal memories and family traditions play in the value people assign to heirloom guns? How have attitudes toward firearms in schools and public spaces changed over the years, as described in the episode? In what ways does participating in hunting or shooting sports serve as a bonding experience between family members? What are some of the challenges and benefits of passing down firearms through multiple generations? How does formal firearms education—like the hunter safety courses discussed—impact family experiences with guns? What considerations should be taken into account when preserving or restoring legacy firearms and their accessories (such as cases)? How might someone encourage younger or less interested family members to appreciate or participate in hunting or shooting traditions? What insights did the episode provide about multi-generational mentorship, both in hunting and in professional environments? How can creating keepsakes (like shadow boxes with ammunition and photos) help maintain the legacy and stories tied to family firearms?   -- Take the Podcast Pill as You Experience 2GuysTalking: The Matrix!  It's our Matrix (1999) Perspective Review featuring Dynamic Firearms Trainer Matt Bauer! 2GuysTalking welcomed in a dynamic firearms trainer to talk about each and every firearm used inside The 1999 feature film, "The Matrix". Ready to Learn, Train and Be Entertained via a podcast that's actually - LONGER THAN THE MOVIE? Click here or the banner above to listen!   Links from This Episode of 2GuysTalkingGuns: Be sure to Like, Subscribe & Share Everywhere via the links above! -- USCCA-Certified Firearms Instructor Mike Wilkerson at The USCCA: -- Tickets to Your Favorite Gun Show: Sean Pollocks Cooper 270 Episode of 2GuysTalkingGuns.Com -- 2GuysTalkingGuns.com — Podcast website and shirt store 02:00 -- WhatCopsWatch.com — Law enforcement media reviews and guest info 02:04, 01:00:10 -- 2GuysTalking.com/sponsors — Information about perpetual advertising 00:23:55 -- VoiceFarmers.com — Voice Farm Voice Over Academy 00:26:12 -- BlueBaggersProject.com — Role playing voice adventure for crisis negotiation training 00:26:54 -- USCCA.com — USCCA self-defense insurance and online firearms education 00:31:06 -- Sam the Cooking Guy YouTube Channel — Cooking inspiration and techniques 00:48:46   -- Take the Podcast Pill as You Experience 2GuysTalking: The Matrix!  It's our Matrix (1999) Perspective Review featuring Dynamic Firearms Trainer Matt Bauer! -- Learn All About Rocket Money -- Learn All About The Blue Baggers Project - Training the Future of Crisis Negotiation! -- Learn All About Ground News - Know Where Your News Comes From! ==== Links to 10+ Years of WhatCopsWatch.Com: Website: https://whatcopswatch.com/ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast.... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2VV1HL9.... Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b46.... Facebook: / whatcopswatch ==== Connect with Mike Wilkerson (The STLPodFather)'s 20+ Years of Podcasting: -- Entire Career Library: https://www.2gtdatacore.com/ — Mike Wilkerson on LinkedIn — Mike Wilkerson on X — Mike Wilkerson on Instagram — 2GuysTalking on the Web — 2GuysTalking on LinkedIn — 2GuysTalking on YouTube   Calls to the Audience from this Episode of 2GuysTalkingGuns: — Have you had the chance to hunt in amazingly ALIEN environments? Tell us Your Perspective About This Episode Now!   Be an Advertiser/Sponsor for 2GuysTalkingGuns!   Tell us what you think! It’s never too late to be an advertiser in this podcast, thanks to Perpetual Advertising! Contact 2GuysTalkingGuns.Com now and learn more about why podcasting allows your advertising dollar to live across millions of future listeners – FOREVER!   Tell Us What You Think About this Episode of 2GuysTalkingGuns: Tell us what you think and we’ll use your comments in a future ALL-FAN-INPUT Episode! Educating the public is what we’ve based all of our programming on and we’re eager to connect with others who are doing it! Know about another podcast , YouTuber or other media generator making a difference in the way of perspective when it comes to law enforcement? Tell us about them now and we’ll link to them and have them on a future episode of 2GuysTalkingGuns.Com!   The Host of 2GuysTalkingGuns:   Mike Wilkerson: Mike Wilkerson Is the PodFather of St. Louis, and has been hosting, producing, concepting and enhancing podcasts since 2005. As a professional content creator, Mike has been making and documenting every mistake in the Podcasting industry so you won't have to when you're ready to begin. With thousands of of hours of business, marketing and life experience behind and in front of the mic and keyboard, he has created a vibrant and always-growing business tapestry via The 2GuysTalking Podcast Networ

  2. Sep 7

    Balancing Tactics and Compassion: Inside Patty McConnell’s Approach to Crisis Negotiations

    What happens when your greatest strength in Law Enforcement isn’t force, but the power of conversation? Retired Police Officer, SWAT Team Member, and veteran crisis negotiator Patty McConnell joins The Crisis Cop, Pat Doering, to reflect on her decades-long journey breaking barriers and saving lives across Northern Illinois. Patty’s unique path - from the only woman on her department to a central figure training the next generation - reveals how empathy, curiosity, and active listening are true superpowers at the heart of crisis negotiation. Ready to discover why the right words can be mightier than any weapon, and how understanding and human connection can change - maybe even save - a life? It’s all here in this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast. Don’t forget to Like, Subscribe, and Share this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network via WhatCopsWatch.Com…   The Crisis Cop Podcast Podcast Links Bar:  Connect with The Host!     Subscribe to This Podcast Now! Click Here for More Ways to Subscribe and Listen to this Podcast!   Rate this podcast on Apple Podcasts. The Ultimate success for every podcaster is FEEDBACK! Not an Apple Podcasts user? No problem! Be sure to check out any of the other many growing podcast directories online to find this and many other podcasts on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network! This program is one of the many parts of The WhatCopsWatch.Com effort. Check out more great law enforcement-based content now!     The Light Bulb Moments for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: 1. Curiosity is the Cornerstone of Effective Negotiation The discussion explored the idea that curiosity, rather than judgment, is a fundamental trait for successful crisis negotiators. The conversation highlighted that by being genuinely interested in understanding why a person is in crisis—whether due to criminal behavior or suicidal ideation—negotiators can foster real conversations that drive connection and progress. This shift from a judgmental mindset, essential on patrol for officer safety, to a curious one during negotiations is a critical and often challenging transition for police officers entering this specialized discipline 14:03. 2. Active Listening Trumps "Silver Tongue" One concept discussed was the misconception that the best negotiators are those who are great talkers with a "silver tongue." Instead, active listening emerged as a key theme, with several points raised about the importance of emotion labeling and the power of silence or effective pauses. These tools help people in crisis feel heard and understood—sometimes enabling them to express emotions or details they've never verbalized before. The conversation emphasized that truly listening, rather than focusing on what to say, often unlocks the best results in high-stakes situations 21:11. 3. Resilience and Debriefing Combat Cumulative Trauma A key theme that emerged was that negotiators and first responders must recognize and address cumulative trauma. The discussion highlighted the phenomenon of secondary traumatic stress—where hearing and witnessing repeated traumatic stories impacts responders' mental health—and the necessity of psychological resilience. Debriefings, peer support, and an evolving cultural openness toward mental health in policing were discussed as vital tools for well-being. Understanding this dynamic is crucial for law enforcement leaders and practitioners alike in sustaining long-term effectiveness and personal health 54:02.   Two Great Ways to Take In This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://youtu.be/8mF1yGLz_6Q   The Detailed Shownotes for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: Looking for the detailed links, information and references used inside this episode? Read on below to find them all and remember to reach out to ask if there's something else you'd like to see from this episode!   Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: 00:00 Feeling like Benjamin Button 10:01 The influence of Harvey Schlossberg 13:04 Encouraging students to speak naturally 17:33 Negotiation mindset shift 24:44 Using silence in interrogation 31:15 Handling sensitive third-party situations 35:10 Join Two Guys Talking: Be a Reviewer 41:07 Comforting a distraught friend 49:34 Night shift stakeout experience 52:56 Psychological resilience in SWAT teams 59:37 Supporting teammates and recognizing trauma 01:06:57 Advice for aspiring law enforcement officers 01:08:09 Practicing crisis communication skills 01:13:48 Misconceptions about negotiation tactics 01:19:33 Podcast closing and call to action   Questions Answered Inside This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: The conversation focused on the evolution of career paths in law enforcement, especially for women in the late 1970s. What challenges and opportunities were discussed regarding being one of the few women in policing at that time? One concept discussed was the dual-track nature of police work: investigative versus tactical (SWAT/negotiations). How did these different tracks shape professional development and skill sets? A key theme that emerged was the importance of curiosity and genuine interest in others for effective negotiations. How can cultivating curiosity improve outcomes in high-stress crisis situations? The discussion explored the process of transitioning from street patrol to becoming a crisis negotiator. What fears and misconceptions did new negotiators tend to have, and how were these addressed? Several points were raised, including the idea that being a good negotiator is more about listening than talking. What active listening skills were highlighted, and how can they be applied both in law enforcement and everyday life? The episode described a critical incident where assumptions about an individual’s concerns (e.g., fear of more medical bills) affected negotiation tactics. How can law enforcement better gather and utilize intelligence to avoid missteps? One concept discussed was the use of emotion labeling and effective pauses as negotiation techniques. Why are these approaches particularly effective in crisis negotiation scenarios? A key theme that emerged was the impact of cumulative trauma and the need for psychological resilience in policing. What strategies were suggested for managing trauma and stress both individually and organizationally? The discussion explored the “triad of command” model during critical incidents. How does integrating incident, tactical, and negotiations leadership improve decision-making and outcomes? Several points were raised about advice for future negotiators, including pursuing diverse education and practicing skills outside traditional law enforcement roles. What benefits are associated with broadening one’s background, and how can prospective negotiators prepare for the unique demands of the field?   Links from this Episode: -- The People Mentioned: Harvey Schlossberg - Be Sure toCheck Out Harvey's Wife's Episode of The Crisis Cop! Wikipedia – Harvey Schlossberg Gary McDougall - Be Sure to Check Out Gary's Episode of The Crisis Cop! LinkedIn – Gary McDougall (Former Calgary Police, crisis negotiations instructor and speaker.) Kevin Briggs Wikipedia – Kevin Briggs (Known as "The Guardian of the Golden Gate Bridge" for his suicide prevention work.) Gary Noesner - Be Sure to Check Out Gary's Episode of The Crisis Cop! Gary Noesner Official Website (Retired FBI negotiator, author of "Stalling for Time") Harry Drucker Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department Bio (Public information officer, often cited for negotiation expertise.) Deb McMahon LinkedIn – Deb McMahon (Crisis negotiation trainer and speaker.) Joni Birkenheier LinkedIn – Joni Birkenheier (Law enforcement negotiations team leader in Illinois.) Mike Vohling Reference: Law enforcement professional in Illinois (limited public information) (Mentioned as a negotiator and team leader with NIPAS.) Waymond Mullins Amazon – Books by Waymond C. Mullins (Author of "Crisis Negotiations: Managing Critical Incidents and Hostage Situations in Law Enforcement and Corrections") Michael McMahan Amazon – Crisis Negotiations: Managing Critical Incidents and Hostage Situations in Law Enforcement and Corrections (Co-author on premier negotiations textbook) Robert Cialdini Official Website – Robert Cialdini (Author of "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion") Chris Voss Official Website – Chris Voss (Former FBI negotiator, author of "Never Split the Difference") Malcolm Gladwell Official Website – Malcolm Gladwell (Author of "Talking to Strangers" and other bestselling books) Bessel van der Kolk Official Website – Bessel van der Kolk, M.D. (Author of "The Body Keeps the Score") -- The Books & Authors Mentioned: The Psychology of Persuasion by Robert Cialdini Talking to Strangers by Malcolm Gladwell The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk Crisis Negotiation: Managing Critical Incidents and Hostage Situations in Law Enforcement and Corrections by Michael McMains -- Get All of Pat's Books on Amazon Now!: Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation

  3. Jul 10

    Building Legacies in Law Enforcement Negotiation: Tim Hunter’s Journey

    How can you make a difference when your superpower in Law Enforcement is - connecting people? Retired Sergeant and Crisis Negotiator Tim Hunter stops by to visit with The Crisis Cop, Pat Doering, to share perspectives from his 30+year career that continues to help craft the future of Crisis Negotiation around the globe. Ready to learn how connecting people isn't just a superpower, but an essential element in the chemistry set of crisis negotiation success? It's all here and more inside this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast Be sure to Like Subscribe and Share this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network via WhatCopsWatch.Com...   The Crisis Cop Podcast Podcast Links Bar:  Connect with The Host!     Subscribe to This Podcast Now!   This program is one of the many parts of The WhatCopsWatch.Com Effort! Rate this podcast on Apple Podcasts. the Ultimate success for every podcaster is FEEDBACK! Not an Apple Podcasts user? No problem! Be sure to cherck out any of the other many growing podcast directories online to find this and many other podcasts on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network!   Housekeeping -- The Editor Corps - Make Your Podcast Soar: There's only one question to ask: Why are YOU still editing your podcast? Reclaim the time you spend on editing (easily at least twice the time you spend on capturing the program) to make more great content by enlisting "The Editor Corps" who will "Make Your Podcast Soar!" http://EditorCorps.Com -- The Voice Farm: Fred Wilkerson, Mike's Father that died in the first few days of 2018, always dreamed of a place that those interested in Voiceover could go to learn more about the industry and experience - without all the BS that goes with it. We build it four and a half years go and it continues to provide new voiceover artists and businesses looking for voiceover talent a place to go and secure great voiceover artists. http://VoiceFarmers.Com   Two Great Ways to Listen/Watch! We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://youtu.be/Z1av5R8hjhQ The Detailed Shownotes for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: Looking for the detailed links, information and references used inside this episode? Read on below to find them all and remember to reach out to ask if there's something else you'd like to see from this episode!   Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: 00:00 Tim's journey in law enforcement and retirement 05:24 Larry's Intense Hostage Negotiation Story 07:53 Coordinating international conference speakers 10:11 Intense training, evaluations, and student dropouts 14:45 Importance of practicing active listening skills 19:09 Emphasis on tactical operations in policing 20:34 Negotiation during a critical incident 27:00 Supportive team check-ins and debriefs 30:26 Police standoff experiences and outcomes 33:50 Locating and apprehending suspect with SWAT team 35:42 Supporting each other after tragedy 38:43 Maintaining Humor in Law Enforcement 41:35 Preparing for future crisis negotiations 47:34 Networking in crisis negotiations field 48:26 Closing the Crisis Cop podcast episode   Questions Answered Inside This Episode of Cops and Robbers Talk: The conversation focused on the transition from being a "good talker" to a "good listener" in crisis negotiation. How does this shift in skillset impact the effectiveness of a negotiator? 02:54 One concept discussed was the importance of mentors in law enforcement. How did mentorship influence the careers and approaches of the negotiators highlighted in this episode? 05:03 A key theme that emerged was the challenges and benefits of international training, such as the course in Manchester. How do international approaches to negotiation training differ, and what can American negotiators learn from them? 10:02 The discussion explored the role of networking and interpersonal connections in advancing one’s career in crisis negotiation. What are some ways in which these relationships can open up professional opportunities? 12:33 Several points were raised, including the importance of active listening and stepping out of the traditional law enforcement “problem-solving” mindset. In what ways does active listening change the outcome of crisis situations? 13:32 The episode addressed preparing for language and cultural barriers in negotiation scenarios. What strategies can teams implement to ensure they are ready for situations where language is an obstacle? 16:36 The conversation focused on the relationship between tactical units and negotiators. What are some of the challenges in harmonizing their efforts, and what practices can help bridge the gap between these teams? 18:40 A key theme that emerged was the evolution of peer support and mental health awareness within law enforcement agencies. How have attitudes towards mental health support changed, and what further improvements could be made? 26:40 The discussion explored handling the aftermath of traumatic incidents, including critical incident stress debriefs. How effective are these debriefs in supporting officer wellbeing, and what could enhance their effectiveness? 35:27 Several points were raised about the significance of legacy and the contributions an individual makes beyond their personal callouts. How can negotiators positively shape the future of their field through training, mentorship, and organizational change? 46:44   Links from this Episode: -- Get All of Pat's Books via Amazon Now!    - Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America      - Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation      - Calming the Chaos: My Life as a Crisis Negotiator in the St. Louis Area 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Link to the Network's homepage to provide listeners with more background. 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Books & Training Materials Compliance Surrender by Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator: The foundational book on negotiation tactics – find it on Amazon or inquire to the hosts for a fair price. Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com’s newest negotiation book: For more content and practical advice, reach out via the podcast or website. Relevant Techniques & Philosophies The "Four Rs" of Negotiation: Recognize, Respect, Reduce, and Remove barriers – as discussed by Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator Active Listening Skills: Essential for both negotiations and day-to-day policing – and featured throughout the episode. Professional Communication in Law Enforcement: Why avoiding yelling and profanity matters for de-escalation and public image. Topics Covered in This Episode The evolution of crisis negotiation in police work and CIT (Crisis Intervention Team) training. Handling emotionally charged situations, and the effects of PTSD in law enforcement. Building trust and rapport—even through difficult or traumatic incidents. Why mentorship matters: Advice for new negotiators from Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com and Meghan Taft - Limited License Psychologist & Crisis Negotiator. The importance of preserving dignity and respecting emotional barriers during crisis calls. Be sure to Like, Subscribe & Share Everywhere!   ==== Connect with Pat Doering - The Crisis Cop Today! — Pat Doering on Facebook — Pat Doering on LinkedIn — Pat Doering on Instagram — Crisis Cop on the Web -- Crisis Cop on YouTube   ==== Help Us Tell People About 10+ Years of WhatCopsWatch.Com: On the Web: https://whatcopswatch.com/ At Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast.... At Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2VV1HL9.... On Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b46.... On Facebook: / whatcopswatch     Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode: — Did you know that it ALL STARTED with John & Al's Sporting Goods? What was your favorite light bulb moment that YOU discovered in this episode? Tell us Your Perspective About This Episode Now!   Be an Advertiser/Sponsor for This Program!   Tell us what you think! It’s never too late to be an advertiser in this podcast, thanks to Perpetual Advertising! Contact CrisisCop.Com now and learn more about why podcasting allows your advertising dollar to live across millions of future listeners – FOREVER!   Tell Us What You Think About The Crisis Cop Podcast: Tell us what you think and we’ll use your comments in a future ALL-FAN-INPUT Episode! Educating the public is what we’ve based all of our programming on and we’re eager to connect with others who are doing it! Know about another podcast , YouTuber or other media generator making a difference in the way of perspective when it comes to law enforcement? Tell us about them now and we’ll link to them and have them on a future episode of CrisisCop.Com!   The Host of this Program: Pat Doering Pat Doering began his career as a police officer in 1996 and has served as a Police Hostage Negotiator since 2004. He has received formal negotiation training from the FBI, the London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), and the Negotiation Program at Harvard University. As a graduate of the FBI National Academy (Class 248), Pat continues to provide guidance, formal training, and leadership mentoring worldwide. In 2024,...

  4. Jun 15

    What Real Cops Think About Crisis Negotiation in Hawaii Five-0

    Who better to give you grand perspective about the ultra-blue, heavenly waters of Hawaii - than three people living in the midwest? Well, when it comes to the vista? Perhaps not, but when we're talking about dissecting what you see when it comes to storytelling, real-life crime-based content (in this case, Crisis Negotiation) and why what you see on TV/in Movies or via Streaming isn't always "the way it is in real life" - WhatCopsWatch.Com has you covered with this episode! The Crisis Cop (and Crisis Negotiator Trainer) Lt. Pat Doering, Iowa State Police Sgt. and Crisis Negotiator Michael Clyde and OG Podcaster and Crisis Negotiator Role Player Mike Wilkerson give you some of the greatest ligh bulb moments that reaction content has to offer! Are YOU ready to learn more about the entertainment you take in when it comes to effective policing? Ready to learn more about the HUMANS behind the duty belt and badge? It's time for a Perspective Review of Hawaii Five-O, Season 8, Episode 13 - "What is Gone is GOne" via WhatCopsWatch on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network.   The Perspective Reviews Podcast Connection Links:   Connect with The Host (and View Direct Contact information Below!) Subscribe to This Podcast & Listen Now!     Subscribe, Like, and Share Everywhere! Help Perspective Reviews Grow!   Rate this Podcast on iTunes! The ultimate success for every podcaster – is FEEDBACK! Be sure to take just a few minutes to tell the hosts of this podcast what YOU think over at iTunes! It takes only a few minutes but helps the hosts of this program pave the way to future greatness! Not an iTunes user? No problem! Be sure to check out any of the other many growing podcast directories online to find this and many other podcasts on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network! Links to Enjoy This  Film! It's easy to have the  same great experience from this film as we go! Hit the links below and get your copy of the film's soundtrack, score or even the movie itself!   Housekeeping -- The Crisis Cop Podcast: Check it Out! https://CrisisCop.Com -- Calling All Future Role Players! Got a knack for acting and thinking on your feet? Train the future of Law Enforcement via Crisis Negotiation and Tell Us You're Interested Today!  https://BlueBaggersProject.Com -- WhatCopsWatch/2GuysTalking is Now an Official USCCA Business Partner! -- Free Field Training: Inside this episode we welcome Officer Tommy Mottl from Free Field Training on YouTube (and now, from The Free Field Training Podcast effort) to share his perspective on - literally - the area that he has intimate knowledge about in the South Chicagoland area...   Two Great Ways to Listen/Watch! We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://youtu.be/0FEbIqYKEVE Timestamps for This Episode: 06:15 Starting WhatCopsWatch with Mystic River Episode 13:24 Explaining perpetual advertising benefits 18:51 Focus on listening during negotiations 26:17 Negotiator and Steve's territorial clash 28:32 Involving mental health professionals in negotiations 36:46 Lessons learned from crisis negotiation 38:20 Talking to people in crisis situations 47:28 Technology changing tactical operations 52:00 Command decisions in hostage scenarios 55:27 Discussing mental health support options 59:32 Brad's struggles and proving his innocence 01:06:52 Using an odd question to reset negotiations 01:11:14 Lou's Support Group in Chicago 01:16:59 Importance of mutual understanding in teams 01:24:49 TV format shift and internet's role 01:26:28 Finding personal insights in reviews 01:31:45 Requesting feedback on WhatCopsWatch.com   Questions from This Episode: *How does the portrayal of crisis negotiation in this episode of Hawaii 5-0 compare to real-life practices, according to Michael Clyde and Pat Doering? Where does Hollywood get it right or wrong? (23:41, 25:26) What are the risks and consequences of showing law enforcement officers making unsafe choices during negotiations, such as approaching a vehicle barricade too closely, as discussed in the episode? (23:41, 24:10) Reflect on the depiction of trauma and mental health among officers in the episode. How did the show use Lou’s backstory to highlight these issues, and how did Pat Doering and Michael Clyde react to it? (33:38, 53:58) What are the challenges negotiators face when outcomes are not successful? How do Pat Doering and Michael Clyde emphasize dealing with “losing cases”? (35:14, 38:12) Discuss the role and importance of teamwork between negotiators and tactical teams. What strategies do Michael Clyde and Pat Doering recommend for building better collaboration? (01:16:14, 01:18:15) How does the rapid resolution of cases and evidence processing in television (the “CSI effect”) affect public expectations of policing, as mentioned by the hosts? (33:02, 01:01:02) In the episode, mental health for both suspects and officers plays a key role. How should police respond to or support officers dealing with trauma? What resources were discussed as helpful? (56:27) What commentary do the hosts provide on the pissing matches (power struggles) frequently depicted between negotiators and SWAT or tactical leaders in Hollywood? How accurate is this, and what do real teams do instead? (26:30, 27:11) After a negotiation ends, what does “good closure” look like for both the subject and the team, according to Michael Clyde and Pat Doering? How does this differ from the abrupt TV ending? (01:13:15) What did Mike Wilkerson, Pat Doering, and Michael Clyde identify as both the “goods” and “bads” in this episode’s depiction of crisis negotiation? Which points resonated most with you and why? (01:20:31, 01:23:01) Links from this Episode: The Theme Songs from Hawaii Five-0!: The Original Hawaii Five-0 Theme Song (from the late 1960's): https://youtu.be/CpxJsy8nfjA?t=25 The Hawaii Five-0 Theme Song (from the 2010's): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNCu4Uh-JqU Crisis Cop Podcast & Related Sites: Crisis Cop Podcast: https://crisiscop.com Complete Crisis Cop Podcast Library: https://crisiscoppodcast.com Role Player & Crisis Negotiation Training: Blue Baggers Project – Professional role players for crisis negotiation training: https://bluebaggersproject.com Episode Details TV Show: Hawaii Five-0 Episode Discussed: Season 8, Episode 13, "What is Gone is Gone" Original Air Date: January 2018 Streaming Link: Paramount+ Hawaii Five-0 Official Episode Info: IMDb - Hawaii Five-0 S8E13 Guest & Host Info Michael Clyde: Sergeant, Iowa State Patrol/Crisis Negotiator LinkedIn Profile Pat Doering: Founder, The Crisis Cop Podcast Crisiscop.com – Crisis negotiation resources, podcast, training info Mike Wilkerson: Host, WhatCopsWatch.com WhatCopsWatch.com – Full show archive, contact form Highlighted Topics & External Resources Crisis Negotiation National Council for Crisis Negotiation FBI Crisis Negotiation Unit 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline 988lifeline.org Call or Text: 988 (US Only) Role-Playing for Negotiator Training BlueBaggersProject.com – Role-player resources for law enforcement crisis negotiators Role-Playing for Negotiator Training BlueBaggersProject.com – Role-player resources for law enforcement crisis negotiators Referenced Shows & Episodes Referenced Past Episodes Criminal Minds S1E5 - Our Perspective Review with Dr. Morgan Krumeich! WhatCopsWatch - Mystic River Episode Related Shows The Shield Ocean's Eleven (2001) Further Reading & Learning Books on Crisis Negotiation: "Stalling for Time: My Life as an FBI Hostage Negotiator" by Gary Noesner (Amazon link) Suicide Prevention & Mental Health The Bridge Documentary (Golden Gate Bridge) National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI) Production & Sponsors 2GuysTalking – Podcast production and perpetual advertising EditorCore.com – Podcast editing services VoiceFarmers.com – Voiceover services How to Get Involved Want to be a guest or share your story? Visit WhatCopsWatch.com/contact and fill out our quick web form. Law enforcement interested in joining Iowa State Patrol: Iowa State Patrol careers section https://dpscareers.com/ Show Feedback We want to hear from you! Episode Comments & Listener Feedback: WhatCopsWatch.com Find full archives & resources: WhatCopsWatch.com/   Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode: — What do YOU think of storytelling that we are given nowadays inside of what Hollywood shovels to us? Tell us now! — What did YOU think of the long-running television series, Hawaii Five-O? Tell us now! Be an Advertiser/Sponsor for This Program!   Tell us what you think! It’s never too late to be an advertiser in this podcast, thanks to Perpetual Advertising! Contact WhatCopsWatch now and learn more about why podcasting allows your advertising dollar to live across millions of future listeners – FOREVER! Tell Us What You Think About WhatCopsWatch: Tell us what you think and we’ll use your comments in a future ALL-FAN-INPUT Episode! Educating the public is what we’ve based all of our programming on and we’re eager to connect with others who are doing it!...

  5. May 14

    Bridging Mental Health and Law Enforcement: Student Spotlight with Megan Taft

    What happens when the world of Limited License Psychology collides with the realm of Crisis Negotiation? The answer is not only simple, but clear - you get one of Pat Doering's Crisis Negotiator Training Class Students - Meghan Taft. We all know that being a life-long, Perpetual Student isn't only one of the best ways to live, it IS LIFE. Are you continuing to learn as you lead your life? Are you finding satisfaction as you add to the toolbelt that you have inside YOUR life? Listen to this episode to learn more about what Meghan thought - from the original days of even contemplating the Crisis Negotiator Training efforts to her now being a real-life, in-place Crisis Negotiator, and everything in between. You'll find it all and more inside this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast as Pat launches The Student Spotlight Series. Be sure to Like Subscribe and Share this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network via WhatCopsWatch.Com...   The Crisis Cop Podcast Podcast Links Bar:  Connect with The Host!     Subscribe to This Podcast Now!   This program is one of the many parts of The WhatCopsWatch.Com Effort! Rate this podcast on Apple Podcasts. the Ultimate success for every podcaster is FEEDBACK! Not an Apple Podcasts user? No problem! Be sure to cherck out any of the other many growing podcast directories online to find this and many other podcasts on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network!   Housekeeping -- The Editor Corps - Make Your Podcast Soar: There's only one question to ask: Why are YOU still editing your podcast? Reclaim the time you spend on editing (easily at least twice the time you spend on capturing the program) to make more great content by enlisting "The Editor Corps" who will "Make Your Podcast Soar!" http://EditorCorps.Com -- The Voice Farm: Fred Wilkerson, Mike's Father that died in the first few days of 2018, always dreamed of a place that those interested in Voiceover could go to learn more about the industry and experience - without all the BS that goes with it. We build it four and a half years go and it continues to provide new voiceover artists and businesses looking for voiceover talent a place to go and secure great voiceover artists. http://VoiceFarmers.Com   Two Great Ways to Listen/Watch! We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AA0lD4734o The Detailed Shownotes for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: Looking for the detailed links, information and references used inside this episode? Read on below to find them all and remember to reach out to ask if there's something else you'd like to see from this episode!   Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: 00:00 Considering a role in crisis negotiation 05:58 Participating in law enforcement training class 07:37 Engaging students in virtual learning environments 10:17 Maintaining skills learned in training sessions 13:47 Importance of coordination with tactical teams 16:20 Coaching an officer through decision-making scenario 20:37 Successful negotiation and positive outcome 23:31 Experiencing emotional highs and lows 27:44 Learning about team roles in behavioral health settings 32:26 Integrating into the team and building relationships 35:51 Managing a challenging behavioral call out 37:06 Post-incident debrief: learning and improvements 42:07 Establishing connection before problem-solving 44:01 Dealing with a scene involving a suicide 47:07 Checking in with law enforcement partners regularly 52:49 Mentorship and advice for newcomers 53:41 Advice for future behavioral health professionals   Questions Answered Inside This Episode of Cops and Robbers Talk: How did Meghan Taft’s initial uncertainty about joining a crisis negotiation team evolve throughout her training and field experience? What factors influenced her change of perspective? In what ways does having a behavioral health professional like Meghan Taft integrated into crisis negotiation teams enhance team effectiveness, as discussed in the episode? What challenges did Meghan Taft face as a mental health professional entering a traditionally law enforcement-dominated environment, and how did she and her team address them? The episode discusses the “80/20 rule” in active listening. What is this rule, and how does it apply to both law enforcement and clinical crisis work? Scenario-based training played a significant role in this episode. How did these scenarios help prepare Meghan Taft for real-life incidents, and what were some of the key takeaways from her scenario experiences? What are some of the emotional and physical impacts described by Meghan Taft that negotiators may experience after a long and intense crisis call-out? Discuss the importance of debriefs and team roles as described in the episode. How do these contribute to continuous improvement in crisis negotiation outcomes? The episode highlights the importance of “connection” in negotiations. How can negotiators use their own mistakes or missteps to build human connection during a crisis? What advice does Meghan Taft offer to mental health professionals who may be considering joining a crisis negotiation team? How can teams make this integration more effective? Reflect on the episode’s discussion about handling incidents where a subject dies by suicide. How do teams process these experiences, and what supports are mentioned as being important for team well-being?   Links from this Episode: -- Get All of Pat's Books via Amazon Now!    - Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America      - Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation      - Calming the Chaos: My Life as a Crisis Negotiator in the St. Louis Area 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Link to the Network's homepage to provide listeners with more background. 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Books & Training Materials Compliance Surrender by Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator: The foundational book on negotiation tactics – find it on Amazon or inquire to the hosts for a fair price. Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com’s newest negotiation book: For more content and practical advice, reach out via the podcast or website. Relevant Techniques & Philosophies The "Four Rs" of Negotiation: Recognize, Respect, Reduce, and Remove barriers – as discussed by Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator Active Listening Skills: Essential for both negotiations and day-to-day policing – and featured throughout the episode. Professional Communication in Law Enforcement: Why avoiding yelling and profanity matters for de-escalation and public image. Topics Covered in This Episode The evolution of crisis negotiation in police work and CIT (Crisis Intervention Team) training. Handling emotionally charged situations, and the effects of PTSD in law enforcement. Building trust and rapport—even through difficult or traumatic incidents. Why mentorship matters: Advice for new negotiators from Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com and Meghan Taft - Limited License Psychologist & Crisis Negotiator. The importance of preserving dignity and respecting emotional barriers during crisis calls. Be sure to Like, Subscribe & Share Everywhere!   ==== Connect with Pat Doering - The Crisis Cop Today! — Pat Doering on Facebook — Pat Doering on LinkedIn — Pat Doering on Instagram — Crisis Cop on the Web -- Crisis Cop on YouTube   ==== Help Us Tell People About 10+ Years of WhatCopsWatch.Com: On the Web: https://whatcopswatch.com/ At Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast.... At Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2VV1HL9.... On Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b46.... On Facebook: / whatcopswatch     Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode: — Did you know that it ALL STARTED with John & Al's Sporting Goods? What was your favorite light bulb moment that YOU discovered in this episode? Tell us Your Perspective About This Episode Now!   Be an Advertiser/Sponsor for This Program!   Tell us what you think! It’s never too late to be an advertiser in this podcast, thanks to Perpetual Advertising! Contact CrisisCop.Com now and learn more about why podcasting allows your advertising dollar to live across millions of future listeners – FOREVER!   Tell Us What You Think About The Crisis Cop Podcast: Tell us what you think and we’ll use your comments in a future ALL-FAN-INPUT Episode! Educating the public is what we’ve based all of our programming on and we’re eager to connect with others who are doing it! Know about another podcast , YouTuber or other media generator making a difference in the way of perspective when it comes to law enforcement? Tell us about them now and we’ll link to them and have them on a future episode of CrisisCop.Com!   The Host of this Program: Pat Doering Pat Doering began his career as a police officer in 1996 and has served as a Police Hostage Negotiator since 2004. He has received formal negotiation training from the FBI, the London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), and the Negotiation Program at Harvard University. As a graduate of the FBI National Academy (Class 248), Pat continues to provide guidance, formal training,...

  6. Mar 23

    Inside the Mind of a Crisis Negotiator: Brian Banning’s Journey

    Step inside The Crisis Cop NOC, the nerve center where the weight of crisis is both shouldered and unraveled, and you’ll find retired Lieutenant Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator, a man whose law enforcement journey reads like a riveting novel - one that twists from the concrete cells of Sacramento County’s jails to the electric tension of high-stakes negotiations. For 26 years, Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator wore every hat the badge had to offer: jailer, patrol deputy, fusion center analyst, and finally, the calm and steady voice behind the negotiation team’s phone line, where lives hung in the balance and every conversation was a chance to change destiny. Be sure to Like Subscribe and Share this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network via WhatCopsWatch.Com...   The Crisis Cop Podcast Podcast Links Bar:  Connect with The Host!     Subscribe to This Podcast Now!   This program is one of the many parts of The WhatCopsWatch.Com Effort! Rate this podcast on Apple Podcasts. the Ultimate success for every podcaster is FEEDBACK! Not an Apple Podcasts user? No problem! Be sure to cherck out any of the other many growing podcast directories online to find this and many other podcasts on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network!   Housekeeping -- The Editor Corps - Make Your Podcast Soar: There's only one question to ask: Why are YOU still editing your podcast? Reclaim the time you spend on editing (easily at least twice the time you spend on capturing the program) to make more great content by enlisting "The Editor Corps" who will "Make Your Podcast Soar!" http://EditorCorps.Com -- The Voice Farm: Fred Wilkerson, Mike's Father that died in the first few days of 2018, always dreamed of a place that those interested in Voiceover could go to learn more about the industry and experience - without all the BS that goes with it. We build it four and a half years go and it continues to provide new voiceover artists and businesses looking for voiceover talent a place to go and secure great voiceover artists. http://VoiceFarmers.Com   Two Great Ways to Listen/Watch! We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://youtu.be/Vts0zcsC4vw The Detailed Shownotes for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: Looking for the detailed links, information and references used inside this episode? Read on below to find them all and remember to reach out to ask if there's something else you'd like to see from this episode!   Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: 00:00 26-year Sacramento County Sheriff's veteran with diverse roles: jail deputy, patrol, fusion centers, critical infrastructure intel, and terrorism threat analysis. 04:52 The speaker enjoyed negotiation work and saved lives through it, making the experience fulfilling and impactful. 06:53 Team mentors, including Sergeants Bob Curry and Bob Lizzito, shaped effective communication and broader considerations, emphasizing professionalism, legal awareness, and representation in high-stakes situations. 13:07 Early role: setup equipment and intelligence; later: first negotiation with a distraught man threatening self-harm. 15:12 Verbal mistakes are easier to overcome than tactical ones; rebuild rapport to recover trust in negotiations. 17:17 Early in their career, a negotiator used intelligence about a barricaded gang member's Raiders fandom during an armed standoff in an evacuated apartment complex. 21:24 Negotiators are a small, specialized community within law enforcement. 24:25 A man aiming for suicide by cop held hostages, called the police, and the team leader was dispatched to handle the situation. 31:05 Law enforcement often prioritizes negotiation over deadly force, saving lives despite situations where shooting would be legally justified. 36:32 An apartment complex was evacuated for 36 hours as police searched for JD Souza, wanted for shooting at officers; intelligence suggested he might visit his ex-girlfriend's home in Sacramento. 37:47 Man quickly checks a room, instinctively avoids entering, and spots JD Souza aiming an SKS rifle. 48:03 Seek help from a counselor for fresh solutions; it's worth exploring options. 51:28 Brian Banning reflects on his legacy, valuing lasting teaching tips, especially the idea that negotiation prevents unnecessary violence, ensuring safety for all. 55:18 Understand your audience, infrastructure risks, and priorities; manage relationships effectively; prepare for crises and support your team. 56:52 Prioritize safety, educate teams, foster wellness, and support each other. 59:57 Brian thanked for sharing his story on Crisis Cop Podcast; encouraged to seek knowledge.   Questions Answered Inside This Episode of Cops and Robbers Talk: How did Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator's early experiences in the jail system influence his approach to crisis and hostage negotiation later in his career? Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator mentions the Good Guys hostage rescue as a pivotal event for his department. How do major incidents like this shape departmental policies and team composition? What role do personal connections and shared experiences (e.g., knowing the same people, similar backgrounds) play in building rapport during a negotiation, based on Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator's stories? Discuss the importance of "face-saving" strategies for subjects during negotiations. In what ways did Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator use these techniques successfully? How does misinformation or withheld intelligence (such as the Idaho case) impact the outcome of crisis negotiations? Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator talks about the importance of mentorship and ongoing skill development. What systems or structures can law enforcement agencies put in place to encourage this kind of growth? Reflect on the “force multiplier” effect of training others that Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator describes. Why is this especially significant in the negotiation field? Negotiators are often required to think in "multi-dimensional" ways during incidents. How did Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator explain this skill and why is it crucial for successful outcomes? The episode discusses the value of team support and wellness post-incident. In what ways should agencies ensure negotiators and tactical officers are supported after high-stress events? What advice does Brian Banning - Crisis Negotiator give to aspiring crisis negotiators about legacy and the emotional weight of the profession, and how can new negotiators apply this perspective to their own careers?   Links from this Episode: -- Get All of Pat's Books via Amazon Now!    - Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America      - Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation      - Calming the Chaos: My Life as a Crisis Negotiator in the St. Louis Area 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Link to the Network's homepage to provide listeners with more background. 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Key Resources & References From This Episode California Association of Hostage Negotiators (CAHN) Networking, education, and resources for crisis negotiators: http://www.cahn.us/ The Good Guys Hostage Standoff (Referenced Major Case) Documentary & Case Overview:Wikipedia: Good Guys Hostage Crisis Documentary (subject to availability):"True Crime": Good Guys Hostage Standoff on YouTube Recommended Reading "Calming the Chaos" by Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com (featured in the episode) "Stalling for Time" by Gary Noesner (Referenced expert) Books by Jack Cambria Training & Professional Development Voice Farmers Voiceover Academy Voice training for public safety and beyond: https://voicefarmers.com/ BlueBaggerz Project Volunteer voice role-play opportunities for negotiator training: https://bluebaggerzproject.com/ National Tactical Officers Association (NTOA) Training, conferences, and professional development: https://www.ntoa.org/ Crisis Negotiator Conferences & Events Kansas Negotiators Conference Oklahoma Negotiators Association Be sure to Like, Subscribe & Share Everywhere!   ==== Connect with Pat Doering - The Crisis Cop Today! — Pat Doering on Facebook — Pat Doering on LinkedIn — Pat Doering on Instagram — Crisis Cop on the Web -- Crisis Cop on YouTube   ==== Help Us Tell People About 10+ Years of WhatCopsWatch.Com: On the Web: https://whatcopswatch.com/ At Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast.... At Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2VV1HL9.... On Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b46.... On Facebook: / whatcopswatch     Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode: — Did you know that it ALL STARTED with John & Al's Sporting Goods? What was your favorite light bulb moment that YOU discovered in this episode? Tell us Your Perspective About This Episode Now!   Be an Advertiser/Sponsor for This Program!   Tell us what you think! It’s never too late to be an advertiser in this podcast, thanks to Perpetual Advertising! Contact CrisisCop.Com now and learn more about why podcasting allows your advertising dollar to live across millions of future listeners – FOREVER!   ...

  7. Feb 28

    Building Trust and Saving Lives: Insights From Crisis Negotiator Mentor Geno Dorough

    Few things have the same impact as an effective mentor. Many moons ago, a man named Geno Dorough taught a class on Barricaded Individuals, and set the life of Pat Doering - The Crisis Cop, on a course for training crisis negotiators around the globe. Who is this man? What in the world did Pat learn from him? What stories, perspectives and deep down truths have and continue to power this gentleman's sway on the lives of so many? You'll find it all and more inside this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast as Pat's original mentor, Geno Dorough, visits in-studio to share everything with you... Be sure to Like Subscribe and Share this episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network via WhatCopsWatch.Com...   The Crisis Cop Podcast Podcast Links Bar:  Connect with The Host!     Subscribe to This Podcast Now!   This program is one of the many parts of The WhatCopsWatch.Com Effort! Rate this podcast on Apple Podcasts. the Ultimate success for every podcaster is FEEDBACK! Not an Apple Podcasts user? No problem! Be sure to cherck out any of the other many growing podcast directories online to find this and many other podcasts on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network!   Housekeeping -- The Editor Corps - Make Your Podcast Soar: There's only one question to ask: Why are YOU still editing your podcast? Reclaim the time you spend on editing (easily at least twice the time you spend on capturing the program) to make more great content by enlisting "The Editor Corps" who will "Make Your Podcast Soar!" http://EditorCorps.Com -- The Voice Farm: Fred Wilkerson, Mike's Father that died in the first few days of 2018, always dreamed of a place that those interested in Voiceover could go to learn more about the industry and experience - without all the BS that goes with it. We build it four and a half years go and it continues to provide new voiceover artists and businesses looking for voiceover talent a place to go and secure great voiceover artists. http://VoiceFarmers.Com   Two Great Ways to Listen/Watch! We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://youtu.be/HLhJ4lbEn9I The Detailed Shownotes for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: Looking for the detailed links, information and references used inside this episode? Read on below to find them all and remember to reach out to ask if there's something else you'd like to see from this episode!   Timestamps for This Episode of The Crisis Cop Podcast: 00:00 "Prioritizing Negotiation and Life Preservation" 08:11 "Sharing Negotiation Knowledge and Insight" 13:00 Challenges in Leadership and Crisis Philosophy 17:30 "Guide to Law Enforcement Communication" 22:35 Managing Armed Suicidal Situations Tactfully 28:19 "Tragic End to Volatile Standoff" 34:40 "Challenges and Sacrifices of Officers" 40:45 "Serious Commitments and Sacrifices Needed" 44:53 Balancing Negotiations and Internal Crises 51:09 "Practicing Empathy and Respect in Law Enforcement" 57:19 "Impact and Joy of Mentorship" 01:01:07 "Passion and Connection in Training"   Questions Answered Inside This Episode of Cops and Robbers Talk: Mentorship & Influence: How did mentorship (or the lack thereof) shape Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator’s approach to crisis negotiation, and how did he later become a mentor himself? Negotiation Philosophy: What is the “4 Rs” philosophy discussed in the episode, and how can it be applied to both emotional and physical barriers in crisis negotiation? Communication Skills: How does the difference between verbal and nonverbal communication affect outcomes during barricaded or crisis situations? Emotional Impact: The episode touches on the emotional toll crisis negotiation can have. How do negotiators cope with traumatic incidents, and what resources are available today compared to earlier years? Legacy & Lessons: What does Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator hope his legacy in the field will be, and how does passing on knowledge help shape the next generation of negotiators? Changing Practices: How have responses to suicidal individuals changed over time, and what are the implications for law enforcement and community safety? Training & Professionalism: Why is it important for all officers (not just negotiators) to receive training on communication and emotional management, and what impact does this have on the public’s perception of police? Tactical vs. Negotiation: How did Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator’s unique experience as both a tactical officer and negotiator help bridge the gap between these teams, and why is congruence in messaging crucial? Barriers & Time: Why is “taking time” emphasized repeatedly in the episode, and what risks are involved when law enforcement rushes a crisis situation? Personal Reflection: Geno Dorough and Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com share personal stories about balancing their commitment to crisis negotiation with personal life. How do negotiators manage the demands of the job, and what advice do they offer to those considering this line of work?   Links from this Episode: -- Get All of Pat's Books via Amazon Now!    - Crisis Cops: The Evolution of Crisis Negotiation in America      - Crisis Cop 2: More Stories from the Front Lines of Crisis Negotiation      - Calming the Chaos: My Life as a Crisis Negotiator in the St. Louis Area 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Link to the Network's homepage to provide listeners with more background. 2GuysTalking Podcast Network Books & Training Materials Compliance Surrender by Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator: The foundational book on negotiation tactics – find it on Amazon or inquire to the hosts for a fair price. Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com’s newest negotiation book: For more content and practical advice, reach out via the podcast or website. Relevant Techniques & Philosophies The "Four Rs" of Negotiation: Recognize, Respect, Reduce, and Remove barriers – as discussed by Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator Active Listening Skills: Essential for both negotiations and day-to-day policing – and featured throughout the episode. Professional Communication in Law Enforcement: Why avoiding yelling and profanity matters for de-escalation and public image. Topics Covered in This Episode The evolution of crisis negotiation in police work and CIT (Crisis Intervention Team) training. Handling emotionally charged situations, and the effects of PTSD in law enforcement. Building trust and rapport—even through difficult or traumatic incidents. Why mentorship matters: Advice for new negotiators from Pat Doering - CrisisCop.Com and Geno Dorough - Retired Crisis Negotiator. The importance of preserving dignity and respecting emotional barriers during crisis calls. Be sure to Like, Subscribe & Share Everywhere!   ==== Connect with Pat Doering - The Crisis Cop Today! — Pat Doering on Facebook — Pat Doering on LinkedIn — Pat Doering on Instagram — Crisis Cop on the Web -- Crisis Cop on YouTube   ==== Help Us Tell People About 10+ Years of WhatCopsWatch.Com: On the Web: https://whatcopswatch.com/ At Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast.... At Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2VV1HL9.... On Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/b46.... On Facebook: / whatcopswatch     Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode: — Did you know that it ALL STARTED with John & Al's Sporting Goods? What was your favorite light bulb moment that YOU discovered in this episode? Tell us Your Perspective About This Episode Now!   Be an Advertiser/Sponsor for This Program!   Tell us what you think! It’s never too late to be an advertiser in this podcast, thanks to Perpetual Advertising! Contact CrisisCop.Com now and learn more about why podcasting allows your advertising dollar to live across millions of future listeners – FOREVER!   Tell Us What You Think About The Crisis Cop Podcast: Tell us what you think and we’ll use your comments in a future ALL-FAN-INPUT Episode! Educating the public is what we’ve based all of our programming on and we’re eager to connect with others who are doing it! Know about another podcast , YouTuber or other media generator making a difference in the way of perspective when it comes to law enforcement? Tell us about them now and we’ll link to them and have them on a future episode of CrisisCop.Com!   The Host of this Program: Pat Doering Pat Doering began his career as a police officer in 1996 and has served as a Police Hostage Negotiator since 2004. He has received formal negotiation training from the FBI, the London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard), and the Negotiation Program at Harvard University. As a graduate of the FBI National Academy (Class 248), Pat continues to provide guidance, formal training, and leadership mentoring worldwide. In 2024, Pat retired from his law enforcement career but remains dedicated to fostering the next generation of Crisis Negotiators. He conducts live, on-site training events and online workshops designed to sharpen the skills of those interested in crisis negotiation. “My goal is to share the knowledge and experience I’ve gained throughout my career in high-stakes situations....

  8. Feb 6

    Did Criminal Minds Get Crisis Negotiation & Mental Health Details Right?

    We all know that television and movies simply don't have enough time to give us what REALLY happens in Law Enforcement circles, in particular, Crisis Negotiation but - what IS Hollywood giving us when it comes to Crisis Negotiation and understanding Mental Health? The answer is reasonably horrifying. There are so many details, scenarios, perspectives and processes that have to be shoved into a 43-minute package, and it's time to find out what Hollywood is offering us from Crisis Negotiator Trainer, Pat Doering, The Crisis Cop and Crisis Negotiator and Clinical Psychologist Dr. Morgan Krumeich. It's time for a Perspective Review of Criminal Minds, Season 1, Episode 9 - "Derailed" via WhatCopsWatch on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network.   The Perspective Reviews Podcast Connection Links:   Connect with The Host (and View Direct Contact information Below!) Subscribe to This Podcast & Listen Now!     Subscribe, Like, and Share Everywhere! Help Perspective Reviews Grow!   Rate this Podcast on iTunes! The ultimate success for every podcaster – is FEEDBACK! Be sure to take just a few minutes to tell the hosts of this podcast what YOU think over at iTunes! It takes only a few minutes but helps the hosts of this program pave the way to future greatness! Not an iTunes user? No problem! Be sure to check out any of the other many growing podcast directories online to find this and many other podcasts on The 2GuysTalking Podcast Network! Links to Enjoy This  Film! It's easy to have the  same great experience from this film as we go! Hit the links below and get your copy of the film's soundtrack, score or even the movie itself!   Housekeeping -- The Crisis Cop Podcast: Check it Out! https://CrisisCop.Com -- Calling All Future Role Players! Got a knack for acting and thinking on your feet? Train the future of Law Enforcement via Crisis Negotiation and Tell Us You're Interested Today!  https://BlueBaggersProject.Com -- WhatCopsWatch/2GuysTalking is Now an Official USCCA Business Partner! -- Free Field Training: Inside this episode we welcome Officer Tommy Mottl from Free Field Training on YouTube (and now, from The Free Field Training Podcast effort) to share his perspective on - literally - the area that he has intimate knowledge about in the South Chicagoland area...   Two Great Ways to Listen/Watch! We are proud to provide you both a dedicated AUDIO and VIDEO presentation for this program! To Listen Now: Hit the play button in the player on this page or hit the Subscribe button on your favorite Podcast Directory to instantly get these episodes when they release! To Watch Now: Visit this program on YouTube, or hit the window located below to see the hosts, guests and light bulb moments that make this program special! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JByG1f9o2bo Timestamps for This Episode: 00:00 "Crisis Negotiation Training Insights" 14:34 FBI Training Scenarios Experience 23:55 "Power of Great Writing" 32:47 "Security Guard's Fatal Moment" 50:43 "Phenomenal Film on Schizophrenia" 53:31 "Negotiation and Priest Protocol" 01:08:31 "Realistic Brainstorming in Negotiations" 01:20:35 "Hostage Rescue Tactical Insights" 01:23:10 "Critical Hostage Communication Strategy" 01:40:37 Ron Howard's Passionate Direction 01:48:45 Situational Awareness and Safety 01:56:56 "Revenge and Obsession Spiral" 02:13:01 "Crisis, Counselors, and Modern Solutions" 02:17:57 "Surviving Trauma and Loss" 02:31:16 "Entertainment's Unsteady Landscape" 02:36:10 WhatCops Watch: Next Episode   Questions from This Episode: How accurately do you think Criminal Minds portrayed crisis negotiation and mental health issues in this episode, based on the insights shared byPat Doering, Mike Wilkerson and Dr. Morgan Krumeich What impact does the lack of realistic negotiation strategy in the TV episode have on viewers’ understanding of real-life crisis response? Pat Doering and Mike Wilkerson share personal experiences with real-life hostage scenarios and negotiations. What stood out to you most in their comparisons between Hollywood and reality? The episode discusses the importance of not “playing into” a subject's delusions during negotiation. Why might affirming a delusional belief be risky, and what are alternative approaches? The team talks about the integration of mental health professionals into law enforcement responses. What are the potential challenges and benefits discussed concerning this collaboration? Both hosts and Dr. Morgan mention the rise in mental health-related crisis calls. How do you think police departments can best equip themselves to handle these situations? The episode criticizes the decision to send an additional "hostage" (Spencer) into the crisis situation as unrealistic and dangerous. Why is this problematic from a tactical and negotiation standpoint? With so much of the episode’s critique revolving around writing choices for suspense versus realism, do you think it’s possible for TV dramas to balance excitement and accuracy? Why or why not? The discussion touched on situational awareness, both in professional and personal life. How might increased public education on situational awareness benefit everyday safety? After watching this episode and listening to the breakdown, do you think shows like Criminal Minds help or hurt public perception of law enforcement, negotiation, and mental health crises? Why? Links from this Episode: Crisis Cop Podcast & Related Sites: Crisis Cop Podcast: https://crisiscop.com Crisis Cop Podcast Library: https://crisiscoppodcast.com Role Player & Crisis Negotiation Training: Blue Baggers Project – Professional role players for crisis negotiation training: https://bluebaggersproject.com Criminal Minds Viewing: Watch Criminal Minds on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/series/criminal-minds-518564c2-380b-4f4e-acc1-7c75a59c8ad9 Paramount Plus: https://www.paramountplus.com/shows/criminal-minds/ Referenced Books & Authors: "Mindhunter" by John Douglas: https://www.amazon.com/Mindhunter-Inside-Elite-Criminal-Unit/dp/0671023850 "Whoever Fights Monsters" by Robert Ressler: https://www.amazon.com/Whoever-Fights-Monsters-Serial-Killers/dp/0312059412 "Dark Dreams" by Roy Hazelwood: https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Dreams-Legendary-Crimes-Investigator/dp/0312301439 Real-Life Case References & Negotiation: The Negotiator movie and real story review: https://twoguystalking.com/thenegotiator "Stalling for Time" by Gary Noesner (FBI Negotiator): https://www.amazon.com/Stalling-Time-Hostage-Negotiator-ebook/dp/B003F3PKTU/ National Tactical Officers Association: https://www.ntoa.org/ Mental Health & Psychology Resources: National Alliance on Mental Illness: https://www.nami.org/Home Information about Tardive Dyskinesia: https://www.ninds.nih.gov/health-information/disorders/tardive-dyskinesia Referenced TV Shows & Films: Flashpoint (negotiation-focused show): https://www.amazon.com/Flashpoint-Season-1/dp/B002EIQB4E The Wire (cop drama): https://www.hbo.com/the-wire True Blood: https://www.hbo.com/true-blood Beautiful Mind (film): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0268978/ Silence of the Lambs (film): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102926/ Podcast & Voice Broadcasting Services: EditorCore, for podcast editing: https://editorcore.com VoiceFarmers, for voice services: https://voicefarmers.com Show Contact & Feedback: Contact WhatCopsWatch.com: https://whatcopswatch.com/contact   Calls to the Audience Inside this Episode: — What do YOU think of storytelling that we are given nowadays inside of what Hollywood shovels to us? Tell us now! — What did YOU think of the long-running television series, Criminal Minds? Tell us now! Be an Advertiser/Sponsor for This Program!   Tell us what you think! It’s never too late to be an advertiser in this podcast, thanks to Perpetual Advertising! Contact WhatCopsWatch now and learn more about why podcasting allows your advertising dollar to live across millions of future listeners – FOREVER! Tell Us What You Think About WhatCopsWatch: Tell us what you think and we’ll use your comments in a future ALL-FAN-INPUT Episode! Educating the public is what we’ve based all of our programming on and we’re eager to connect with others who are doing it! Know about another podcast , YouTuber or other media generator making a difference in the way of perspective when it comes to law enforcement? Tell us about them now and we’ll link to them and have them on a future episode of WhatCopsWatch.Com!   The Hosts of this Program: Morgan Krumeich Dr. Morgan Krumeich is a highly respected Clinical Psychologist and Crisis Negotiator, recognized for her expertise in working with first responders and law enforcement professionals. With a strong background in mental health care, she specializes in promoting wellness, resiliency, and effective crisis response among those who routinely face high-stress and traumatic situations. Based in Pittsburgh, Dr. Krumeich offers a blend of clinical skills and real-world application. She not only provides therapy and interventions, but also delivers training sessions designed to give law enforcement and EMS personnel the practical mental health tools they need to manage the rising tide of mental health calls in their daily work. Her passion for education stretches from teaching resiliency and post-traumatic stress management, to ensuring that professionals have access to resources tailored specifically to the demands of their fields. Dr. Krumeich is also an experienced member of a local crisis negotiation team, where she directly assists during critical incidents and hos

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The stories of Hostage and Crisis Negotiation have been collecting for decades. Join Crisis Negotiator Trainer Pat Doering as he shares the legends, details and information all of us should know about the valuable lesson inside The Crisis Cop Podcast.

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  • Creator
    Pat Doering
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    15
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    Explicit
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    © All Rights Reserved -- 2026 -- Crisis Cop Communications
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