In the Church Library

Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis

Join Kelsey Kramer McGinnis and Marissa Franks Burt for conversation around popular Christian resources found in church libraries. The first season focuses on parenting books Kelsey and Marissa read as they wrote their forthcoming book The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families.

  1. 09/05/2025

    A Conversation with Andrew Remington Rillera about Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA)

    Send us a text Join Marissa and Andrew Remington Rillera in the church library for today's bonus episode discussing Andrew's book Lamb of the Free: Recovering the Varied Sacrificial Understandings of Jesus's Death, his insight into the sacrificial system of the Torah, and the implications this has for our theories about atonement and family life. Things mentioned in the episode:  -Andrew's article on Ephesians 2 -Jesus and the Law of Moses: The Gospels and the Restoration of Israel within First-Century Judaism, by: Paul T. Sloan -Anselm's Cur Deus Homo -Hannah Bowman's  article From Substitution to Solidarity: Towards an Abolitionist Atonement Theology -Peter Leithart's critique of Andrew's book -Andrew's response to Peter's critique Find Andrew on X/Twitter and Bluesky *** Episode Chapter Markers:  3:21—Andrew's bio/introduction 6:23—Penal Substitutionary Atonement (PSA) defined 22:20—Is PSA "the Gospel"? 47:28—Significance of the "washing" imagery in the sacrificial system 57:13—Where did we go wrong with our understanding of this imagery? 1:01:22—What are the implications for parenting? 1:18:43—Discussion of recent social media conversation on PSA & critiques of Andrew's book *** Connect with Marissa & Kelsey across social media Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now.

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  2. 07/17/2025

    A Conversation with Sunita Theiss about Neurodiversity in Faith Communities and Family Systems

    Send us a text Join Marissa Franks Burt and Kelsey Kramer McGinnis In the Church Library for a conversation with Sunita Theiss to discuss neurodiversity in faith communities and families Connect with Sunita online: Instagram, LinkedIn, Substack Mentioned in the conversation: --Use code LIBRARY for a discount for her upcoming workshop and Q&A: Parenting PDA Children with Grace & Hope:  A Christian Perspective on Understanding, Supporting, and Raising PDA Children (8/14/25 at 9AMPT/12ET) --Use SUNITA15 for $15 off low demand parent coaching now through 8/31/25. Learn more about Sunita's work with Amanda Diekman's team and schedule a free intro call here.  --Accessible Church: A Gospel-Centered Vision for Including People with Disabilities and Their Families, by: Sandra Peoples --Dr. David and Amanda Erickson of Flourishing Homes and Families and their new book The Flourishing Family --Key Ministry resources and conference --Kim Botto's work --With Ministries You can connect with Kelsey and Marissa on social media: Marissa: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, YouTube, Facebook Kelsey: Website, Substack, Instagram, Threads, Twitter, TikTok, BlueSky, Facebook And Pre-order The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families wherever books are sold!  Bookshop Amazon Barnes&Noble  PreorderThe Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families for 40% off now.

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Join Kelsey Kramer McGinnis and Marissa Franks Burt for conversation around popular Christian resources found in church libraries. The first season focuses on parenting books Kelsey and Marissa read as they wrote their forthcoming book The Myth of Good Christian Parenting: How False Promises Betrayed a Generation of Evangelical Families.

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