Your essential link to C-38, C-39 and the page that includes articles by the person whose identity no one can confirm. Support my work, subscribe! Transcript Brigitte Pellerin (00:05): I’m joined by Stuart Benson, who’s a reporter at the Hill Times and writes the Party Central column — and who always takes good pictures of me, if of nobody else. How are you, Stuart? Welcome. Stuart Benson (00:17): Good, how are you? I was just going to say — it’s been a wild week. Brigitte Pellerin (00:23): Yes. The first week back of Parliament. That’s the reason I wanted to have you here, because you have a special eye. You see things and pay attention to things the other guys tend to ignore, because they’re busy with the main stories. I like that you see some of the other stuff that’s happening. So tell us: what have we missed on Parliament Hill this week that was in the margins of the bigger stories? Stuart Benson (00:49): Well, I guess the one thing — if you’re just a regular political watcher, you may not realize that this week is sort of like Parliament’s frosh week. The parties. There are so many. I can give you a quick rundown. (01:11) Monday was a little quieter, because I think it was the Prime Minister of Norway — Prime Minister Støre. I always hesitate, because I don’t want to say president when it’s a prime minister, or vice versa. Brigitte Pellerin (01:25): I know exactly. That’s embarrassing. Stuart Benson (01:28): It was his last day, so it was a bit quieter in terms of parties. But Tuesday you had the big one — the Housewarming, hosted by Politico and Earnscliffe Strategies, which is a big lobbying group. That usually gets hundreds of parliamentarians. A little quieter this year, because it was a midnight sitting on day two. Brigitte Pellerin (01:51): That’s awful. Stuart Benson (01:52): Well — this is a little more why I love Parliament. It was a midnight sitting on Bill C-38, which, if you don’t know, was the gas tax holiday. That’s been a Conservative suggestion for a long time, to give the Conservatives credit. So the Liberals, once again — Let me find the exact name of it. Yes: Minister Champagne introduces legislation to extend the federal fuel excise tax relief for Canadians. Brigitte Pellerin (02:17): I can link to it in the notes so people can read it if they want. Stuart Benson (02:22): This was announced before Labour Day, because that’s when the excise tax reduction — about ten cents per litre — was supposed to be removed. And obviously most people didn’t notice it, because as soon as they took it off, the Strait of Hormuz shut down and gas jumped by something like fifty cents. So all you saw was your gas going up by forty cents. Brigitte Pellerin (02:47): It got lost. Right. Stuart Benson (02:50): So they’ve extended it, and this was the bill to make it happen. Brigitte Pellerin (02:54): But don’t they all agree on this? So you’re staying up until midnight to watch people not disagree. Stuart Benson (03:03): In fairness, it was so they could get it through — it still has to go through all the processes. But when you’d tune in, as I was going to the parties to see if there were any major updates, half the time they’re just debating whatever they could think of to fill the time, because they had the time to argue. (03:28) So while that was happening, there was the Housewarming, and then there was the Speaker’s garden party at the Speaker’s farm. Because we all know the prime minister has asbestos-and-rat-infested 24 Sussex, and currently lives at Rideau Cottage. Poilievre lives at Stornoway, the official opposition residence. But the Speaker also has a gorgeous farm property. It’s called the Farm, up in — Kingsmere? No. It’s near Chelsea, but I think it’s Kingsmere, Quebec. Brigitte Pellerin (03:45): Wakefield — yes. That’s possible. I’ve been to it, but I couldn’t tell you. Stuart Benson (03:59): It’s gorgeous. So this was sort of an off-the-record, confidential kind of thing. The Speaker has his own brand of whiskey — scotch — and four different tall boys. Brigitte Pellerin (04:12): Okay. Are we taxpayers paying for this, or — sometimes it’s okay, I guess. Stuart Benson (04:19): Well, they’re basically gift-shop attraction stuff. You can go and get — if you want to pay for it — fifty dollars, probably, for 750 millilitres of Speaker’s scotch or whiskey. Brigitte Pellerin (04:36): And why not? Stuart Benson (04:37): I like the tall boys. The tall boys are kind of funny, because there’s a brown ale called the Mace, a blonde ale called the Sword, the Grotesque IPA, and the Tricorn Rattler. Brigitte Pellerin (04:50): I like that. I would start with the Rattler, personally. (04:54) And it’s good that people know this, because official residences are not just a castle you get to spend time in and lounge about because you’re an important person. They’re also places where official business is conducted — official receptions and all that kind of thing. Stuart Benson (05:07): Yes. And if you recall, that was the whole kerfuffle two or three years ago, when they were updating the official residence in New York for the consul general and there was a big hoopla. These are event spaces as well as residences. (05:32) But this was out on the lawn, with fire pits. Very, very nice. I got to hang out with a lot of diplomats and journalists — Conservatives, Liberals, Bloc, and a handful of NDP. I mean, there’s only a handful of them, but they’re out as well. Brigitte Pellerin (05:53): That’s it. They’re all there. It’s a full hand. Stuart Benson (05:57): And then there’s a bunch of other stuff. There was Torynado, a Conservative staffer party, last night. Women on the Hill, which is an event for women — which I got taken to task for, because over the past few years I’ve been writing my column admonishing the men on the Hill for their low attendance rate. And I was told to stop doing that. They said: stop trying to encourage more men to show up. We want to keep it to a minimum. You’re fine, you’re fine — because you’re going to write about it and take photos — but we don’t want that many guys here. And I said, I get it. You want this to be ladies’ night. That’s fair. Brigitte Pellerin (06:42): But they trust you. They welcome you into their safe space. That’s good for you. Stuart Benson (06:48): Yes — because they know Party Central’s an ally. (06:57) Other than that, the rest of the week — I think they’re still debating C-39, this big giant omnibus bill the Liberals brought in, which is sort of the sequel to C-5. Brigitte Pellerin (07:16): When they put disparate things all in one bill, and then you have to make sure you don’t just gloss over it because it’s big and there are consequential things buried in the margins. That’s a sneaky thing to do. I don’t like it. Stuart Benson (07:28): It was about two hundred pages. And because they do it like that, it’s harder to vote against any of it — simply because if you agree with most of it but there’s one part that’s really egregious, you can’t break it up. You have to vote for all of it or against all of it. Which puts people in a corner. Brigitte Pellerin (07:56): And then there are repercussions either way. Why did you vote for this thing you didn’t want? Or why didn’t you vote for these things you wanted? The Hill can be complicated sometimes. It would be easier if we had smaller bills. That’s been one of my little campaigns over the years, but nobody cares. They like it to work this way. (08:12) Tell me — there are two big stories on the Hill that some people may have missed, because they’re not just political stories. Well, there’s Mark Carney speaking with the New York Times. That’s big and political. And he said things in that interview he had not said before. Why don’t you catch us up? Stuart Benson (08:34): The one that’s captured the most attention is what people are calling Carney’s Red Dawn scenario — that the Canadian military has apparently war-gamed or hypothesized around what we would do in the potential scenario where the US invades. Someone had a good quote from the story, so I wanted to read it — but the tweet has been deleted. It was basically that we’d be using tactics they imagined would be similar to the Mujahideen and the Taliban. Ambush-style tactics, irregular military, civilian militias. As much as we respect the brave men and women in the Canadian military — Brigitte Pellerin (09:47): We’re just not the same size. Stuart Benson (09:50): They’ve got a lot more toys than we do. Brigitte Pellerin (09:54): That’s right. And they have long-range missiles. They could do this with buttons from anywhere they want. They don’t have to get close. Stuart Benson (10:00): So we’d have to get a little creative. That was the message. (10:20) And as fantastical as all of that is, there’s this other part where it fits a pattern. Carney sat down for an hour-long interview with a bunch of different New York Times journalists — and absolutely no shade to Matina Stevis-Gridneff, who is the Ottawa bureau chief at the New York Times. Brigitte Pellerin (10:27): The bureau chief, right. She’s great. Stuart Benson (10:33): Because I saw some people say he’s going there because he’ll get softball questions — and I’m like, it’s still the New York Times. It’s still Matina. Give her a follow. She’s the Ottawa reporter and she knows her stuff. Brigitte Pellerin (10:47): And she knows Canada very well. She’s really done her homework. Stuart Benson (10:54): For all the complaints — the main point being, why aren’t you saying this to Canadian media? Why didn’t you sit down for an hour-long interview with the whole editorial team at the Globe and Mail, or the National Post, or the Toronto Star? Hill Times — PMO, you have my email. We