Lion Counseling Podcast

Lion Counseling Podcast

The Lion Counseling Podcast helps men escape the cages that hold them back and become the Lions they were created to be. It exists to help men obtain success, purpose, happiness, and peace in their career and personal lives. The podcast is hosted by the founder of Lion Counseling, Mark Odland (Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified EMDR Therapist), and Zack Carter (Counselor and Coach with Lion Counseling). In their podcasts, they address a variety of topics relevant to men, including: mental health, relationships, masculinity, faith, success, business, and self-improvement.

  1. Counselors Destroy Child Therapists

    1d ago

    Counselors Destroy Child Therapists

    🎙️ Counselors Destroy Child Therapists 😂 - Episode 76 What happens when licensed therapists critique... child therapists? In this episode, Zack surprises Mark with a series of hilarious videos featuring young children giving couples relationship advice. Some of their recommendations are surprisingly thoughtful. Others go completely off the rails. As therapists, they break down each "therapy session," discussing what these young counselors instinctively get right, where they accidentally make classic rookie mistakes, and what they reveal about how good counseling actually works. Along the way, they score each child therapist on listening skills, rapport, emotional awareness, and the quality of their advice before deciding which one we'd actually hire (and which ones might need a little more supervision). It's one of our funniest episodes—but beneath the laughs are real lessons about communication, relationships, and what makes therapy effective. In this episode:✅ Do therapists give advice too quickly?✅ Why listening is usually more important than solving✅ The surprising wisdom children sometimes possess✅ Common mistakes beginning therapists make✅ Marriage, conflict, chores, jealousy, family tension, and more✅ Our final rankings of each child therapistWho do YOU think gave the best advice? Let us know in the comments! 📞 Book a Clarity Call with Mark or Zack:https://escapethecagenow.com/contact/ 📘 Get Mark's FREE E-Book:https://escapethecagenow.com/subscribe/ 📚 Books & Resources:https://escapethecagenow.com/books/ 🌐 Lion Counseling:https://escapethecagenow.com/ Click here to watch a video of this episode.’ Click here to view the episode transcript.’ About Lion Counseling Lion Counseling exists to help people understand how trauma, relationships, and emotional patterns influence everyday life. Through conversations like these—and through professional counseling—we hope to make psychology practical, engaging, and accessible.If you're looking for counseling, EMDR therapy, or simply want to learn more about how the mind works, we'd love to connect. #TherapistReacts #CouplesTherapy #MarriageAdvice #Counseling #Therapy #Psychology #Funny #Reaction #RelationshipAdvice #EMDR #MentalHealth #LicensedTherapist #LionCounseling #Podcast

    13 min
  2. Why Ownership Breaks Down Under Pressure

    6d ago

    Why Ownership Breaks Down Under Pressure

    🎙️ Why Ownership Breaks Down Under Pressure | Leadership Under Pressure #75One of the most valuable parts of the Echelon Front framework is that they don’t just teach ownership. They also talk about why people resist it. Fear.Ego.Overwhelm.Blame.Avoidance.Defensiveness. Those are real barriers—and if you’ve led people for any length of time, you’ve seen them everywhere.But what happens when those same barriers are operating inside YOU? In this episode of Leadership Under Pressure, Mark Odland explores why many high-performing men deeply believe in ownership intellectually… yet still become defensive, reactive, avoidant, or emotionally shut down under pressure. Mark breaks down:✅ Why fear, shame, and overwhelm are often nervous system responses—not just “bad attitudes”✅ How old survival patterns quietly distort leadership under stress✅ Why criticism and conflict can feel threatening even to successful men✅ The hidden emotional barriers behind defensiveness and avoidance✅ Why many men feel “stuck” even though they already know the right principles✅ The difference between understanding ownership and actually living it out in real time This episode is not about making excuses.It’s about identifying the internal barriers that keep high-performing men from living out the values they already believe in.Because you cannot defeat a hidden enemy by pretending it is not there.And for many men, the real battle is not intellectual.It’s internal. 🎙️ Book a Clarity Call with Mark:https://escapethecagenow.com/call/ 📘 Get Mark’s FREE book + join the newsletter:https://escapethecagenow.com/subscribe/ Click here to watch a video of this episode.’ Click here to view the episode transcript.’ About Leadership Under Pressure:Leadership Under Pressure is a series from Lion Counseling exploring the hidden psychological layer of leadership, discipline, relationships, and performance. Mark Odland combines trauma-informed therapy, EMDR expertise, leadership principles, faith, and real-world experience to help high-performing men operate with greater clarity, steadiness, and freedom under pressure.

    4 min
  3. Does Shame Change People? | Therapists React to Caleb Hammer

    Jun 23

    Does Shame Change People? | Therapists React to Caleb Hammer

    🎙️ Does Shame Change People? | Therapists React to Caleb Hammer Millions of people watch Caleb Hammer because he says what everyone else is thinking. He's blunt. He's confrontational. And for many viewers, it's incredibly satisfying to watch. But does being harsh actually help people change? In this episode of the Lion Counseling Podcast, therapists Mark Odland and Zack Carter react to several viral Caleb Hammer clips and explore the psychology behind shame, accountability, behavior change, and personal growth. Along the way, they discuss:✅ Why criticism often creates defensiveness✅ The difference between guilt and shame✅ Whether public confrontation actually works✅ Why some people change while others double down✅ The psychology behind interventions and addiction recovery✅ Reward vs punishment in relationships and parenting✅ When tough love helps—and when it hurts✅ How therapists challenge people without shaming them This isn't a critique of Caleb Hammer. In many ways, he's highlighting real problems and encouraging people to take responsibility for their lives. The bigger question is:What actually creates lasting change? 📞 Book a Clarity Call with Markhttps://escapethecagenow.com/contact/ 📘 Get Mark's Free E-Bookhttps://escapethecagenow.com/subscribe/ 📚 Mark's Books & Resourceshttps://escapethecagenow.com/books/ Click here to watch a video of this episode.’ Click here to view the episode transcript.’ About Lion CounselingLion Counseling exists to help high-achieving men break free from the patterns that keep them stuck.Mark Odland, MA, LMFT is a Certified EMDR Therapist, EMDRIA Approved Consultant, and former pastor who works with leaders, entrepreneurs, athletes, and other high-performing men who are ready to stop managing symptoms and start doing the deeper work. #leadership #psychology #calebhammer #selfimprovement #mentalhealth #therapy #relationships #personaldevelopment #accountability #motivation

    20 min
  4. Why Leaders React Instead of Think

    Jun 18

    Why Leaders React Instead of Think

    🎙️ Why Leaders React Instead of Think | Leadership Under Pressure #73At Echelon Front Muster, Mark Odland was struck by the simplicity and power of the Leadership Loop: Detach. Assess. Decide. Act. It’s a powerful framework for leadership under pressure. But what happens when a man thinks he’s detached… while he’s actually emotionally activated?In this episode of Leadership Under Pressure, Mark explores how fear, ego, resentment, shame, anxiety, and old conditioning can quietly distort judgment under stress—without a man even realizing it. Mark breaks down:✅ The Leadership Loop taught at Echelon Front Muster✅ Why many men mistake emotional reactivity for leadership✅ How trauma and conditioning distort perception under pressure✅ Why urgency, certainty, and righteous anger can sometimes be emotional distortion✅ How fear changes what leaders notice, assume, and react to✅ The difference between true detachment and self-protection✅ Why some men repeatedly make decisions they later regret This episode is not about becoming passive, emotionless, or overly cautious.It’s about learning how to create enough internal space to actually think clearly under pressure.Because leadership is not just about stepping back physically.Real leadership requires the ability to detach internally.And for many high-performing men, that is a trained capacity. 🎙️ Book a Clarity Call with Mark:https://escapethecagenow.com/call/ 📘 Get Mark’s FREE book + join the newsletter:https://escapethecagenow.com/subscribe/ Click here to watch a video of this episode.’ Click here to view the episode transcript.’ About Leadership Under Pressure:Leadership Under Pressure is a series from Lion Counseling exploring the hidden psychological layer of leadership, discipline, relationships, and performance. Mark Odland combines trauma-informed therapy, EMDR expertise, leadership principles, faith, and real-world experience to help high-performing men operate with greater clarity, steadiness, and freedom under pressure.

    4 min
  5. Andrew Tate Says Depression Isn't Real. A Therapist Responds.

    Jun 16

    Andrew Tate Says Depression Isn't Real. A Therapist Responds.

    🎙️ Andrew Tate Says Depression Isn't Real. A Therapist Responds. | Lion Counseling Podcast #72 Andrew Tate says depression isn’t real.He says what’s useful matters more than what’s true.And he says men become weak when they spend too much time at home with their families.But is he completely wrong? In this episode, Mark and Zack react to Andrew Tate’s interview with a psychotherapist and break down the psychology beneath his worldview: mental toughness, trauma, denial, father wounds, success, attachment, masculinity, and the hidden cost of building your entire identity around winning. ✅ Why Andrew Tate’s message resonates with so many young men✅ The difference between mental toughness and denial✅ Why “I don’t believe in depression” can be both powerful and dangerous✅ How trauma can hide underneath extreme confidence✅ Why high-achieving men often avoid the parts of themselves that need healing✅ The difference between therapy and emotional substitutes✅ Why father wounds shape a man’s view of strength, success, and legacy✅ What avoidant attachment can look like in powerful men✅ Why being a provider is not the same thing as being present✅ How Christian men can think clearly about ambition, masculinity, and the soul 🎙️ Book a Clarity Call with Mark or Zack:https://escapethecagenow.com/contact/ 🎧 Listen Audio-Only:https://lioncounselingpodcast.transistor.fm/ 📘 Get Mark’s Free E-Book:https://escapethecagenow.com/subscribe/ 📚 Mark’s Books & Resources:https://escapethecagenow.com/books/ 🌐 Lion Counseling:https://escapethecagenow.com/ Click here to watch a video of this episode.’ Click here to view the episode transcript.’ About the Lion Counseling PodcastThe Lion Counseling Podcast helps high-achieving men break free from trauma, anxiety, addiction, marriage struggles, and the patterns that keep them stuck. Hosted by Mark Odland, MA, LMFT, and Zack Carter, the show explores trauma, EMDR therapy, faith, masculinity, leadership, relationships, and personal growth. What do you think: is Andrew Tate exposing weakness in modern therapy, or is he confusing denial with strength? #AndrewTate #Therapy #Masculinity #MensMentalHealth #Trauma #FatherWounds #AttachmentTheory #ChristianCounseling #EMDR #LionCounselingPodcast

    42 min
  6. Why Communication Breaks Down Under Pressure

    Jun 11

    Why Communication Breaks Down Under Pressure

    🎙️ Why Communication Breaks Down Under Pressure | Leadership Under Pressure #71One of the most practical leadership ideas Mark Odland heard at Echelon Front Muster was the importance of communication clarity: It’s not enough to say something.A leader has to make sure the message was actually received.But what happens when you think you’re communicating clearly… and the people around you experience something completely different?  In this episode of Leadership Under Pressure, Mark breaks down why communication failures are often not just about words—but about nervous systems, emotional pressure, tone, presence, and self-awareness. Mark explores:✅ Why “I explained it clearly” often isn’t enough✅ The communication concept of “readback” taught at Echelon Front Muster✅ Why high-performing men often struggle in marriage despite being effective leaders✅ How tone, facial expression, body language, and emotional state shape communication✅ Why men under stress often sound harsher or more dismissive than they realize✅ The dangerous gap between intention and impact✅ How nervous system activation changes communication under pressure This episode is not about becoming passive or walking on eggshells.It’s about learning how to communicate with clarity, steadiness, strength, and emotional awareness—so the people you lead and the people you love actually experience you the way you intend. Because communication is not only what you said.Communication is what the other person experienced. 🎙️ Book a Clarity Call with Mark:https://escapethecagenow.com/call/ 📘 Get Mark’s FREE book + join the newsletter:https://escapethecagenow.com/subscribe/ Click here to watch a video of this episode.’ Click here to view the episode transcript.’ About Leadership Under Pressure:Leadership Under Pressure is a series from Lion Counseling exploring the hidden psychological layer of leadership, discipline, relationships, and performance. Mark Odland combines trauma-informed therapy, EMDR expertise, leadership principles, faith, and real-world experience to help high-performing men operate with greater clarity, steadiness, and freedom under pressure.

    4 min
  7. Why Therapy Fails So Many Men | Lion Counseling Podcast #70

    Jun 9

    Why Therapy Fails So Many Men | Lion Counseling Podcast #70

    🎙️ Why Therapy Fails So Many Men | Lion Counseling Podcast #70 The therapeutic mindset has become one of the dominant forces in modern culture.We're told to process our feelings.We're told to heal our inner child.We're told to prioritize self-care. But according to some critics, the result isn't a healthier society—it's a more anxious, fragile, and divided one. In this episode, Mark Odland and Zack Carter react to a viral conversation between Megyn Kelly and therapist Jonathan Alpert about the state of modern therapy. As therapists themselves, they explore where the criticism is justified, where it misses the mark, and what high-achieving men need to know before stepping into a counseling office. They discuss:✅ Is therapy creating victim mentality?✅ Why everyone suddenly seems to be a “narcissist”✅ The dangers of over-diagnosis and self-diagnosis✅ Validation vs. accountability in counseling✅ Why resilience still matters✅ CBT, EMDR, and coaching—when each is most effective✅ How good therapy differs from bad therapy✅ What high-performing men should look for in a counselor Mark and Zack argue that while some therapy can reinforce avoidance and fragility, great therapy helps people confront reality, heal deeply, build resilience, and move forward with courage. 🎙️ Book a Clarity Call with Mark:https://escapethecagenow.com/contact/ 🎧 Listen Audio-Only:https://lioncounselingpodcast.transistor.fm/ 📘 Get Mark’s Free E-Book:https://escapethecagenow.com/subscribe/ 📚 Mark’s Books & Resources:https://escapethecagenow.com/books/ 🌐 Lion Counseling:https://escapethecagenow.com/ #LionCounselingPodcast #Therapy #MensMentalHealth #EMDR #CBT #ChristianCounseling #Resilience #HighAchievingMen #MentalHealth #TraumaRecovery #Masculinity #Leadership #Anxiety #PersonalGrowth #TherapistReaction

    35 min
  8. Detached… or Emotionally Gone?

    Jun 4

    Detached… or Emotionally Gone?

    🎙️ Detached… or Emotionally Gone? | Leadership Under Pressure #69At Echelon Front Muster, one of the leadership principles that stood out to Mark Odland was detachment: The ability to step back, create space, assess clearly, and make good decisions under pressure.It’s a powerful skill. But what happens when “detachment” turns into emotional shutdown?In this episode of Leadership Under Pressure, Mark breaks down one of the most misunderstood concepts in leadership and masculinity:The difference between healthy detachment… and emotional disconnection. Mark explores:✅ Why many high-performing men mistake shutdown for discipline✅ How emotional numbness can quietly damage marriage, leadership, and trust✅ Why some men learned to “go cold” as a survival strategy✅ The hidden cost of emotional absence in relationships and teams✅ How trauma and conditioning shape reactions under pressure✅ What true emotional steadiness actually looks like This is not about becoming soft, passive, or emotionally fragile.It’s about learning how to stay calm without shutting down… engaged without becoming reactive… and present without being controlled by emotion.Because real detachment is not numbness.Real detachment is calm and engaged at the same time. 🎙️ Book a Clarity Call with Mark:https://escapethecagenow.com/call/ 📘 Get Mark’s FREE book + join the newsletter:https://escapethecagenow.com/subscribe/ Click here to watch a video of this episode.’ Click here to view the episode transcript.’ About Leadership Under Pressure:Leadership Under Pressure is a series from Lion Counseling exploring the hidden psychological layer of leadership, discipline, relationships, and performance. Mark Odland combines trauma-informed therapy, EMDR expertise, leadership principles, faith, and real-world experience to help high-performing men operate with greater clarity, steadiness, and freedom under pressure.

    5 min

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The Lion Counseling Podcast helps men escape the cages that hold them back and become the Lions they were created to be. It exists to help men obtain success, purpose, happiness, and peace in their career and personal lives. The podcast is hosted by the founder of Lion Counseling, Mark Odland (Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist and Certified EMDR Therapist), and Zack Carter (Counselor and Coach with Lion Counseling). In their podcasts, they address a variety of topics relevant to men, including: mental health, relationships, masculinity, faith, success, business, and self-improvement.

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