Upsample with Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff

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Upsample is a music, tech, and business show co-hosted monthly by longtime friends Carson Tworow (drummer, electronic music producer, and Big Tech professional) and Will Chernoff (bassist, writer, and music industry professional).

  1. May 29

    APRA Cadabra

    The future of getting paid for our songs rests on blockchain vs. bureaucracy, as Will reports back on Australian musician Jo Loewenthal's 19-part "deep forensic investigation" of global publishing. We also touch on the launch of Subvert after opening with a dismissal of the year's biggest Upsample-core story. (0:00) We're skipping Pysop Geese-gate (2:35) Subvert launched (8:55) The joloew publishing investigation (32:17) Joel Gouveia covers the same story (39:16) Blockchain? (53:08) Recommendations Recs: Will - watch Living for the City hosted by Hanif Abdurraqib, keeping in mind that Live Nation is producing itCarson - listen to My New Band Believe FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

    59 min

  2. Apr 17

    Ticket Talk w/ Gigpit Co-Founder Evan Dungate

    Evan Dungate of Gigpit joins us! Gigpit, headquartered in Victoria and also running in Vancouver, is a new local live music platform that offers concert listings and a ticketing service, currently with no fees. The company has five young co-founders: Evan, Aidan Polglase, Ellie Scott, Josh Taylor, and MacKenzie Joyal. Will and Carson get a feel for their work and take a detour in the middle to discuss the Live Nation / Ticketmaster U.S. DOJ case. (0:00) Let's get our $200k! (1:46) Evan's background (7:21) The Gigpit team (10:33) Ticketing & no-fee PWYC model (20:21) Live Nation found liable by jury (27:15) Ticketweb & stealth subsidiaries (31:59) Handling the pressure to grow (34:51) How to win a presenter? (38:48) Writing & video sessions (44:15) How to get involved with Gigpit (49:18) The Shaggy story (50:46) Recommendations with Evan Recs: Evan - Standard Issue Pleasure Model - Tripsitter | Christopher Atkins - Another Year | Hedonist - ScapulimancyWill - check out Infinite Catalog’s breakdown of Spotify’s Loud & Clear PR statsCarson - Charlotte Cornfield - Hurts Like Hell FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

    57 min

  3. Mar 27

    Sora Shutdown, Spotify Profile Protection, AI Can't Write

    (0:00) Toronto Blue Jays opening day (2:31) Will's physical media level-up (4:59) OpenAI shuts down Sora (17:35) Spotify Artist Profile Protection (30:29) Jasmine Sun on AI and creative writing (50:44) Triple recommendations Carson recs: Gregory Uhlmann - Extra Stars, Photokem - A Mat in the Garden, kJADE - On Everything I Love. Will recs: Tomeka Reid Quartet - dance! skip! Hop!, Marquis Hill - (Beautifulism) Sweet Surrender, smush - standards EP. FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

    1 hr

  4. Feb 27

    Getting Taken Down is Cool & SOCAN vs. AI

    let's talk about fully automated slopitalism and the threats to performance rights organizations & songwriters No episode 2 weeks from now (Mar. 13), we return later in March. (0:00) Music MCP (which got taken down) (8:40) SOCAN's AI policies & advocacy (36:23) "Pre-deplatformed" cool content (50:27) Dave King of The Bad Plus' rant (54:54) Recommendations Darren Hemmings linking to Music MCP at Network NotesSOCAN "Stop Unlicensed AI Training" petitionRyan Broderick's story at Garbage Day: "The only taboo left is copyright infringement: the future of media is pre-deplatformed"Nate Chinen's interview at The Gig with Dave King and Reid Anderson of The Bad Plus Recs: Will - watch Sun Ra: Do The Impossible on PBS (if you can) and listen to the music of Sun Ra and his Arkestra, Carson - listen to The Call by Bellbird FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

    1 hr

  5. Jan 30

    Post-American Internet

    "Move fast and break... Kings!" That's what Cory Doctorow calls for in his recent talk. We discuss a potential "post-American internet" future per that talk, then we weave in two related stories: Anna's Archive scraping virtually all of Spotify for torrenting, and Pitchfork launching a paywall. No episode 2 weeks from now (Feb. 13), we return later in February. (0:00) Intro (2:15) Cory Doctorow talk (38:35) Anna's Archive scrapes Spotify (53:17) Pitchfork paywall (1:02:17) Recommendations Legal complaint against Anna's Archive here. Recs: Will - listen to Catalog Club podcast series by Steven Hyden at Evil Speakers on Substack, which covered Lucinda Williams in January. Carson - read Richard Powers novels, including The Echo Maker which Carson gave to Will. FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

    1h 10m

  6. Jan 16

    Now They’re Emailing Our Friends

    It's Year 2 of Upsample starting now, and the leading AI music company Suno has already intruded into Will's day-to-day in the local scene. What else is in store? (0:00) Intro & Self-Taught Legend (4:27) Hooks by Suno (12:50) Suno Partner Program (32:06) Bandcamp wants to ban AI music (45:35) Recommendations Recs: Will - listen to Julian Lage: "Opal", "Talking Drum", and "Night Shade" 3 singles from album Scenes from Above coming next week on Blue Note with John Medeski, Jorge Roeder, & Kenny Wollesen. Carson - listen to Blizzard by Dove Ellis. FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

    49 min

  7. 12/18/2025

    Finally, Filterworld! Year-Ender at Carson's

    3 days after we published the Side Door episode, a tragic incident injured a loved one of someone from the Side Door community. There's a GoFundMe that the community organized to support them through the hospitalization and recovery. We're back at Carson's house to discuss a book that has influenced our show's entire first year: Filterworld by Kyle Chayka. Stick around for when we look back at all our recommendations across the first 25 episodes and highlight some of them. See you in 2026! (0:00) Upsample Wrapped (11:24) Filterworld (57:27) Recommendations we made in 2025 (1:08:54) Seasonal wishes & outro FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

    1h 13m

  8. 12/05/2025

    Hide From Wrapped Season With Us

    After we rage against Spotify Wrapped and follow up on our previous episodes, Carson unpacks three recent stories related by the theme of AI blowback: a maximally high-effort and human album, an anti-AI revival of Vine, and a platform that might get enshittified by its buyer. (0:00) Intro (4:11) Does Will do year-end lists? (5:57) Canada Music Fund $16 million top-up update (7:42) Side Door correction & updates (11:38) AI blowback? (16:59) Lux by Rosalía (31:34) Jack Dorsey-backed DiVine: bring back Vine? (53:50) Spotify acquires WhoSampled (1:03:41) Recommendations Recs: Will - listen to Strays by Way Ahead Trio, Carson - listen to What of Our Nature by Haley Heynderickx & Max García Conover FIND US: Will -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@williamchernoff/ -Rhythm Changes: https://www.rhythmchanges.ca/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/williamchernoff/ Carson -YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ctworow/ -Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/ctworow.bsky.social/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ctworow/ Hosted by Carson Tworow & Will Chernoff. Edited and mixed by Will Chernoff. A Chernoff Music podcast. Theme music by Carson Tworow.

    1h 6m
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Upsample is a music, tech, and business show co-hosted monthly by longtime friends Carson Tworow (drummer, electronic music producer, and Big Tech professional) and Will Chernoff (bassist, writer, and music industry professional).

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