Total Succession

Tyson Ray
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So you've built a business helping others plan their future. But what's the plan for yours? Your future deserves the same attention you give your clients every day. It's time to protect what you've built and prepare for what's next. Welcome to the Total Succession Show, your resource for learning how to exit confidently, be fully compensated, and keep your clients' interests first. Hosted by veteran financial advisor Tyson Ray and co-host Kim Cochenour, each episode will help you navigate the emotional and strategic challenges of succession planning through real-life stories, insights from industry experts, and Tyson's SPACE framework: See, Prepare, Act, Commit, Exit. Tune in each week and head to totalsuccession.com for free tools to help you start preparing for what's next.

  1. 22h ago

    Build Capacity Before You Need It - With David Adams

    What if succession planning started years before a sale, retirement date, or health event forced the conversation? David Adams joins Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour to explain how his own succession journey began with a much more immediate problem: he had built a successful advisory business that depended too heavily on him. Long hours, too many responsibilities, and an “accidental CEO” role eventually pushed him to rethink how he hired, led, and delegated. David walks through the operating decisions that changed the firm: hiring slowly but before capacity became a crisis, creating redundancy, developing future leaders over years instead of months, and introducing team members into client relationships so trust could transfer naturally. He also explains his “chief problem-solver” mindset—saving his own time and energy for complex situations while empowering others to own ongoing client care and execution. The payoff is bigger than a lighter calendar. David now has room to step away, recover energy, spend time with family, and still show up fully for moments that matter—like a late-day conversation helping a client’s granddaughter think through college and money. The episode makes the case that succession is not something to prepare for when the founder is finally ready to leave. It is something you build by reducing dependence on the founder long before that day arrives. The information has been obtained from sources considered to be reliable, but we do not guarantee that the foregoing material is accurate or complete. Any opinions are those of the speaker and not necessarily those of Raymond James. Expressions of opinion are as of this date and are subject to change without notice. There is no guarantee that these statements, opinions or forecasts provided herein will prove to be correct. Investing involves risk and you may incur a profit or loss regardless of strategy selected, including diversification and asset allocation. KEY TOPICSThe “accidental CEO” problem in a growing advisory firmBurnout, founder dependence, and the limits of working harderSlow-to-hire, quick-to-fire leadership disciplineHiring ahead of demand and building excess capacityReinvesting in people before the need becomes urgentDeveloping next-generation advisors over multiple yearsGradual client trust transfer and shared meeting structuresThe “medical intern” model for introducing future leadersChief problem-solver versus day-to-day caretakerDesigning a firm that can function without the founder presentEnergy management, time away, and better founder performanceUsing the “month off” test to expose succession gaps CHAPTERS00:00 — Cold Open: The Accidental CEO 00:38 — Meet David Adams 01:26 — 80-Hour Weeks and the Founder-Dependence Trap 03:09 — Slow to Hire, Quick to Fire 04:20 — What Team-Building Made Possible 08:18 — Why David Builds More Capacity Than He Needs 09:42 — Finding and Developing Miles and Carson 11:52 — Delegating Client Relationships Over Time 14:19 — The Medical-Intern Model for Trust Transfer 16:41 — Chief Problem-Solver, Not Caretaker 20:53 — Trust the Team, Culture, and Process 23:10 — Redesigning the CEO Role and Managing Energy 28:10 — The “Goodwill Deposit” With the Next Generation 30:38 — The Month-Off Test for Founder Dependence 34:43 — Build Succession Before a Crisis Forces It 37:51 — Closing Lessons and What Comes Next NEXT STEPRun the month-off test. Imagine you are leaving the business for a full month two months from now. Write down every client, operational, leadership, and decision-making responsibility that would still require you. Then identify what must be taught, delegated, documented, or staffed so the firm can operate without your daily presence. That list is your succession-capacity roadmap.

    Build Capacity Before You Need It - With David Adams

  2. Sep 29

    Clarify Before the Move: Steve Voss on Outgrowing Your Platform - ICYMI

    What happens when the platform that helped you build an advisory business begins to limit the business you want to build next? In this short ICYMI conversation, Steve Voss and the hosts examine the tension between familiar comfort and the freedom that can come from reconsidering a firm’s structure, ownership, and future. Their starting point is a simple image: a blanket that feels reassuring until you outgrow it. Steve describes how his experience with cancer treatment changed the way he thinks about time and ownership. He then identifies practical signs that an advisor may have outgrown a platform: working around the firm rather than with it, absorbing its constraints, or seeing a gap between the economics of the relationship and the enterprise value being built. With many models available, he argues for getting clear about the business you want first and working backward to a possible solution. The conversation closes by reframing obstacles as things to learn through, considering where a business owner may need help from the team, and distinguishing what real versus synthetic equity can reward. Rather than treating a move as an automatic answer, this excerpt invites advisors to define what they want from their time, ownership, and future growth before evaluating the options. The point at which a familiar firm structure becomes restrictiveThe emotional difficulty of leaving a comfortable platformHow a personal health experience reshaped Steve’s view of time and ownershipRecognizing when an advisor is working around a firm instead of with itConstraints, economics, and the enterprise value a team is buildingWhy having more platform options can also create confusionStarting with business goals and working backward to a solutionTreating unfamiliar obstacles as opportunities to learnDelegating operational detail so an owner can work at a higher levelReal equity, synthetic equity, and the distinction between past and future rewards 00:00 — Why a familiar platform feels comfortable 00:27 — When the comfort blanket becomes restrictive 01:04 — Steve’s personal turning point on time and ownership 01:58 — Recognizing when you have outgrown a platform 02:21 — Firm economics and the enterprise value you build 02:42 — Too many options: begin with the business you want 03:28 — Reframing obstacles as opportunities to learn 04:00 — Let the team handle details so owners can think bigger 04:13 — Real equity versus synthetic equity 04:40 — The closing question: what should equity reward?

    Clarify Before the Move: Steve Voss on Outgrowing Your Platform - ICYMI

  3. Sep 22

    Clarify Before The Move: A Conversation With Steve Voss

    Financial advisors often begin a major business decision with structure: Which platform? What deal? What valuation? What does the transition package look like? Steve Voss makes the case for starting one step earlier. Before comparing options, an advisor needs to understand what they are actually trying to create. Steve joins Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour to explore the advisory business as an enterprise rather than simply a book of individual production. They discuss the shift from advisor to business owner, the economics and tradeoffs involved in different models, building infrastructure that can support growth, and the factors that ultimately create durable enterprise value. That same thinking changes the succession conversation. Valuation matters, but so do profitability, structure, timing, optionality, and the life the owner wants on the other side of the decision. Whether the next step is a move, another stage of growth, a partnership, or an eventual exit, clarity creates better choices—and building those choices before they become urgent creates leverage. • Defining the desired outcome before comparing business options • Thinking like a business owner, not only a financial advisor • The move, scale, and exit lifecycle of an advisory practice • Independence and the economics of ownership • Understanding the tradeoffs behind different business structures • Revenue versus profitability and enterprise value • Building infrastructure that supports scale • Moving beyond personal production to a transferable enterprise • Creating value long before a succession transaction • Valuation, deal economics, and the owner’s actual outcome • Succession as part of a broader business strategy • Creating options before timing forces the decision 00:00 — Meet Steve Voss and the Business-Owner Conversation 03:45 — Why the Desired Outcome Comes First 07:20 — What Are You Actually Solving For? 11:05 — From Financial Advisor to Business Owner 14:50 — Understanding the Economics of Ownership 18:40 — Building for Scale, Not Just Production 22:35 — What Actually Creates Enterprise Value 26:40 — Infrastructure, Profitability, and Better Decisions 30:35 — Succession as Part of the Business Lifecycle 34:10 — Valuation, Structure, and the Real Economic Outcome 38:20 — Creating Options Before the Decision Becomes Urgent 42:15 — Choosing the Right Next Step 44:35 — Clarity Creates Options Before comparing a platform, partner, growth investment, buyer, or succession structure, write a one-page owner brief: What do I want my role, income, ownership, team, client experience, and time to look like three years from now? Then evaluate each available option against that outcome—not just against the headline economics. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode TotalSuccession.com TotalSuccession.com/Podcast Tyson Ray Tyson’s book Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First Kim Cochenour

    Clarify Before The Move: A Conversation With Steve Voss

  4. Sep 15

    ICYMI: Let Them Cook — Jackie Wilke on Trusting the Next Generation

    Succession planning is not only about finding a buyer or maximizing a number. It is also about choosing the people, culture, and working model that can carry the business forward. In this ICYMI cut, Jackie Wilke explains why advisors should pay attention to cultural fit as closely as valuation, why next-generation professionals may work differently without working less, and why forcing an old operating model onto a new generation can set them up to fail. Once the right team is in place, the leadership job changes: give them the tools, trust them, involve them in decisions, and listen to what they are seeing. That matters even more as AI and technology reshape the advisory business. Jackie points out that younger professionals may be closer to emerging tools, client expectations, and new ways of working. Succession becomes stronger when senior leaders create the space for those perspectives before the transition is urgent. KEY TOPICS • AI as a tool for creating more high-value human interaction • Monetizing a life’s work without losing sight of clients and employees • Matching next-generation talent to succession needs • Why cultural fit matters alongside valuation • Avoiding “golden handcuffs” created by the wrong transition • Why next-generation professionals may work differently • Leadership responsibility for creating the conditions to succeed • Trusting the team after giving them the tools • Involving next-gen professionals in real business decisions • Using mid-year planning to surface next-generation insight • Next-gen perspective on AI and technology • Building buy-in and loyalty through involvement CHAPTERS 00:00 — AI Creates More Time for Human Interaction 01:04 — Monetizing a Life’s Work 01:31 — Matching Next-Gen Talent to Succession Needs 02:00 — Culture Before the Number 02:24 — The Next Generation Wants to Work Different 03:16 — Trust the Team and Let Them Cook 03:44 — Ask the Next Generation for Their Insight 04:10 — Let Next Gen Help Lead AI and Technology NEXT STEP At your next planning meeting, ask one next-generation team member what they are seeing that senior leadership may be missing—especially around technology, AI, client experience, or the way work gets done. Then give them a real decision where that perspective can influence the outcome. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode TotalSuccession.com TotalSuccession.com/Podcast Tyson Ray Tyson’s book Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First Kim Cochenour

    ICYMI: Let Them Cook — Jackie Wilke on Trusting the Next Generation

  5. Sep 8

    Financial Advisor Succession: Build Your Next-Gen Bench Before You Need It (with Jackie Wilke)

    Succession planning is changing. Advisors have more buyers, more enterprise support, and more ways to structure a transition than they did a few years ago—but more options do not automatically create a better outcome. In this episode, Jackie Wilke joins Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour to discuss what she is seeing across the advisor industry and why the best succession plans start long before a retirement date is fixed. The conversation moves beyond valuation. Jackie explains why cultural fit, client continuity, shared values, and the future leader’s working style matter just as much as the headline number. Developing a successor also means giving next-generation professionals the tools and authority to contribute now: involving them in decisions, listening to their perspective on technology and AI, and building a career path that can eventually include ownership. Whether that path involves internal buy-in, sweat equity, enterprise matching, or another structure, the core advantage is time. Life events and retirement plans can change faster than expected. Building the bench early gives advisors more choices, gives future leaders a reason to stay, and gives clients a smoother transition when succession becomes real. KEY TOPICS • Why succession planning is becoming more proactive • Unexpected life events that compress transition timelines • How enterprises are getting more involved in advisor succession • Programs connecting retiring advisors with next-generation professionals • Why more offers and options do not eliminate the need for fit • Looking beyond valuation to culture, clients, and values • The ROI of developing next-generation talent early • What next-generation professionals want to be part of • Hard skills, soft skills, and qualitative fit • Involving future leaders in decisions about AI and technology • Creating ownership paths through buy-in, sweat equity, or financing • Avoiding the scramble when retirement happens sooner than planned 00:00 — Succession Is More Than a Transaction 01:20 — What’s Changing in the Succession Conversation 03:30 — The Triggers That Make Planning Urgent 06:10 — Enterprises Step Into the Succession Gap 09:00 — More Options—and the Need for a Runway 11:55 — Why the Highest Number Isn’t Always the Best Fit 15:00 — What the Next Generation Wants to Join 16:30 — Hard Skills, Soft Skills, and a Different Way of Working 19:30 — Empower Future Leaders Before the Transition 20:25 — AI, Technology, and the Value of Next-Gen Perspective 23:40 — Retaining Future Leaders 24:10 — Ownership Paths: Buy-In, Sweat Equity, and Values 25:30 — Culture Is Part of the Succession Plan 27:00 — What If You Retire Earlier Than Expected? Identify one future leader and give them one meaningful decision, one client-facing responsibility, and one ownership-path conversation this quarter. Then test your succession options before urgency chooses for you. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode TotalSuccession.com TotalSuccession.com/Podcast Tyson Ray Tyson’s book Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First Kim Cochenour

    Financial Advisor Succession: Build Your Next-Gen Bench Before You Need It (with Jackie Wilke)

  6. Sep 1

    Emily Stubbs And The Enterprise Value Gap ICYMI

    A profitable business is not automatically a sale-ready business. In this episode, Emily Stubbs explains how buyers evaluate risk, transferability, cash-flow quality, and owner dependence—and why cleaning up those issues early can create better operations, stronger financial visibility, and more leverage before a deal is ever on the table. Owners experience a business through years of sacrifice, growth, payroll pressure, and personal effort. Buyers see something different: risk. Emily explains the gap between a business that serves clients and supports its owner and one that can withstand scrutiny from a buyer, lender, or investor. A sale-ready business needs credible financials, defensible add-backs, a clear growth story, reduced owner dependence, proper legal structure, reliable contracts, and fewer unresolved issues. Using the analogy of preparing a house for sale, Emily shows why de-risking often makes the business more enjoyable and valuable to own right now. Cleaner financials and outside expertise can improve decision-making, reveal where money can be reinvested, and remove surprises before a buyer discovers them. The lesson is simple: do the work ahead of time with a sell-side perspective so you preserve more leverage, more options, and more control over your eventual exit. • The owner’s perspective versus the buyer’s perspective • Buyer risk and business transferability • Cash-flow quality and durable results • Good businesses versus sale-ready businesses • Deal-grade financials and defensible add-backs • Reducing owner dependence • Legal structure, contracts, and documentation • De-risking before going to market • The home-sale analogy for exit preparation • CFO visibility and smarter reinvestment decisions • The role of a sell-side advisor • Preparing early for leverage, options, and control 00:00 — Why Owners and Buyers See Different Businesses 00:54 — Good Business vs. Sale-Ready Business 01:40 — What De-Risking Really Means 01:59 — The Home-Sale Analogy 02:29 — Running the Business Through a Buyer’s Lens 03:14 — Clean Up the Skeletons Before the Buyer Does 03:28 — Prepare Early for More Leverage Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode TotalSuccession.com TotalSuccession.com/Podcast Tyson Ray Tyson’s book Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First Kim Cochenour Emily Stubbs Visibility CFO Book a 30-minute call with Emily and the Visibility CFO team

    Emily Stubbs And The Enterprise Value Gap ICYMI

  7. Aug 25

    The Enterprise Value Gap: Why Succession Planning Fails Without De-Risking (with Emily Stubbs)

    When it comes to succession, owners and buyers see enterprise value completely differently. Emily Stubbs of Visibility CFO joins Kim Cochenour to reveal what buyers actually look at first, why a good business isn't necessarily sale-ready, and the de-risking steps that protect your enterprise value. You'll discover why solving owner dependence five years early gives you more leverage, options, and control over your exit. Emily Stubbs sets the stage for the conversation about succession and enterprise value by sharing more about what Visibility CFO is all about.Kim stresses that, when it comes to succession, owners and buyers tend to see value differently from one another.Owners tend to see the years of sacrifice, effort and growth, whereas buyers see risk, transferability, and cash flow quality.Emily touches upon what a buyer first looks at when trying to understand a company's enterprise value – this is something owners often don't see.Many owners have the misconception that strong revenue, or strong revenue potential, creates a strong enterprise value and a high price when you sell.A good business isn’t necessarily a business ready for sale. Emily explains the difference between the two.Emily and Kim talk about what owners should focus on to do their due diligence when it comes to aligning with a potential buyer.De-risking is all about identifying the issues that would cause a buyer to lower the price or slow down the process.Selling a business is like selling a house: you finally find yourself doing things you have been putting off for years!Emily and Kim look at what owners can do today to minimize the risk of surprises when starting the process of getting their firm ready for a sale.When it comes to “see” in Tyson Ray’s S.P.A.C.E. framework, there’s a mistake Emily sees owners make over and over again.Getting your financials and legal documents in order and solving owner dependence are preparation steps Emily recommends looking into five years in advance.Not waiting until a deal is on the table but actually preparing yourself early for succession will give you more leverage, options and control over when, how, and what you exit to. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode TotalSuccession.com TotalSuccession.com/Podcast Tyson Ray Tyson’s book Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First Kim Cochenour Emily Stubbs Visibility CFO Book a 30-minute call with Emily and the Visibility CFO team

    The Enterprise Value Gap: Why Succession Planning Fails Without De-Risking (with Emily Stubbs)

  8. Aug 18

    The Exit You Actually Want — Deal Structures, Fit, and Finishing Well

    Are you ready to step away from your business, or are you just running away from the stress? Success in a business exit isn't just about the final check; it is about finding purpose in your next act and ensuring your legacy is in good hands. In this episode of the Total Succession Show, we dive deep into the emotional and practical realities of succession planning for financial advisors. 🚀 Key Insights in This Episode Succession planning is more than just a transaction; it is often a multi-year partnership focused on value enhancement and tax minimization. We explore why many founders regret their exit not because of the money, but because they lacked a clear identity for what comes next. If you do not know what you are retiring to, the transition can be incredibly difficult. We also break down the three essential qualities of a perfect business fit: being client-centric, planning-centric, and growth-oriented. You will learn about the power of a we culture and why bringing in specialists is the only way to provide truly holistic wealth management. We discuss how to move away from being a one-man band to building a sustainable infrastructure. Finally, we walk through the complexities of deal structures, from upfront cash to equity and earn-outs. You will hear how successor programs can help transition billions of dollars to the next generation while keeping incentives aligned for everyone involved. Chapters 0:00 Intro and the Power of Culture 3:15 Planning for Your Second Act 6:45 Finding the Right Fit for Your Business 9:30 Building a We Culture vs a Me Culture 12:50 M&A Deal Structures and Equity 16:15 Mentoring the Next Generation 18:45 The Value of Exit Coaches and Intermediaries 20:30 The SPACE Framework and Final Steps Ready to plan your confident exit? Tap subscribe and let each episode guide you closer to your goals. Visit totalsuccession.com/podcast to download your free starter guide and pick up the book Total Succession on Amazon today to master your transition! #successionplanning #financialadvisor #businessexit #wealthmanagement #leadership

    The Exit You Actually Want — Deal Structures, Fit, and Finishing Well
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So you've built a business helping others plan their future. But what's the plan for yours? Your future deserves the same attention you give your clients every day. It's time to protect what you've built and prepare for what's next. Welcome to the Total Succession Show, your resource for learning how to exit confidently, be fully compensated, and keep your clients' interests first. Hosted by veteran financial advisor Tyson Ray and co-host Kim Cochenour, each episode will help you navigate the emotional and strategic challenges of succession planning through real-life stories, insights from industry experts, and Tyson's SPACE framework: See, Prepare, Act, Commit, Exit. Tune in each week and head to totalsuccession.com for free tools to help you start preparing for what's next.

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  • Creator
    Tyson Ray
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    75
  • Rating
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    © 2025
  • Show Website
    Total Succession

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