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So you've built a business helping others plan their future. But what's the plan for yours? Your future deserves the same attention you give your clients every day. It's time to protect what you've built and prepare for what's next. Welcome to the Total Succession Show, your resource for learning how to exit confidently, be fully compensated, and keep your clients' interests first. Hosted by veteran financial advisor Tyson Ray and co-host Kim Cochenour, each episode will help you navigate the emotional and strategic challenges of succession planning through real-life stories, insights from industry experts, and Tyson's SPACE framework: See, Prepare, Act, Commit, Exit. Tune in each week and head to totalsuccession.com for free tools to help you start preparing for what's next.

  1. 5d ago

    ICYMI: A Team Buyout Built on Trust—and Profits (with Mark Aho)

    Mark Aho’s succession plan puts trust ahead of extracting every last dollar: a seller-financed team buyout, payments tied to profits, and a continuing role managing client investments. Mark Aho describes financing his team’s purchase himself, with nothing down, quarterly note payments funded by 55% of profits, and an interest rate he says he roughly halved. He continues to receive a salary while shifting into the chief investment officer role, rather than treating the sale as a complete departure from the business. He also puts responsibility for growth on himself and describes using conservative growth assumptions in planning the transaction. The terms reflect an ambition for the firm to remain a hundred years from now. Mark did not want spouses, homes, or signature guarantees involved in the deal. Tyson connects the structure to a practical concern: a down market can reduce profitability and make bank obligations stressful for both successors and the owner. Linking repayment duration to profitability allows the transition to adjust as business conditions change. The information has been obtained from sources considered to be reliable, but we do not guarantee that the foregoing material is accurate or complete. Any opinions are those of the speaker and not necessarily those of Raymond James. Expressions of opinion are as of this date and are subject to change without notice. There is no guarantee that these statements, opinions or forecasts provided herein will prove to be correct. Investing involves risk and you may incur a profit or loss regardless of strategy selected, including diversification and asset allocation. Key Topics• Seller-financed succession with no down payment • Quarterly notes and repayment tied to 55% of profits • Trust and keeping spouses, homes, and signature guarantees out of the transaction • Building a firm intended to last a hundred years • The founder’s continuing investment role and salary • Repayment flexibility when markets reduce profitability • Personal responsibility for growth and conservative projections Chapters00:00 — A Firm Built to Last Beyond Its Founder 00:57 — Taking Responsibility for Growth 01:37 — Seller Financing: 55% of Profits and Nothing Down 03:24 — Alternatives to Outside Buyers and Bank Financing 03:51 — Down Markets and Flexible Repayment Next StepVisit Total Succession for free tools to help you prepare for what comes next. https://totalsuccession.com

    ICYMI: A Team Buyout Built on Trust—and Profits (with Mark Aho)

  2. Oct 20

    From Founder to CIO: Mark Aho’s Internal Succession Playbook

    Mark Aho began planning for succession about 15 years before completing his internal transition. He shares how hiring for attitude, building an ownership mindset, protecting culture, and structuring a win-win internal sale helped his firm move into its next generation—while giving him a new role as CIO and more freedom outside the business. What does succession look like when you start building for it long before you are ready to leave? Mark Aho joins Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour to share how he spent roughly 15 years shaping his team with the future in mind. From hiring for attitude and passion to giving team members a real voice in the business, Mark explains why succession began with culture—not paperwork. Mark also walks through the decision to keep the transition internal rather than sell to an outside aggregator or private-equity buyer. He discusses the first partial ownership tranche, the eventual full sale to members of the team, and the profit-based structure designed to keep the transition workable for both sides. Now serving as Chief Investment Officer, Mark remains involved in investment work and legacy client relationships while gaining more time for family and life beyond day-to-day ownership. The episode is a practical case study in treating succession as continuity: protect the client experience, create ownership before the handoff, and build a firm that can continue your work beyond you. The information has been obtained from sources considered to be reliable, but we do not guarantee that the foregoing material is accurate or complete. Any opinions are those of the speaker and not necessarily those of Raymond James. Expressions of opinion are as of this date and are subject to change without notice. There is no guarantee that these statements, opinions or forecasts provided herein will prove to be correct. Investing involves risk and you may incur a profit or loss regardless of strategy selected, including diversification and asset allocation. KEY TOPICSStarting succession planning years before the transactionHiring for attitude, passion, and cultural fitCreating an ownership mindset before ownership changes handsBuilding a 100-year legacy firmSuccession as continuation rather than simply a saleClient care and fiduciary responsibility during transitionWhy Mark rejected outside ownership and aggregator offersPartial ownership as a bridge to full successionProfit-based internal sale structuresMoving from owner to Chief Investment OfficerDesigning a win-win transition for founder and successorsLife, purpose, and identity after day-to-day ownership CHAPTERS00:00 — Cold Open: A Firm Built to Last 00:43 — Meet Mark Aho 01:36 — A Boutique Practice With National Reach 03:07 — A 15-Year Succession Mindset 04:24 — Hire for Attitude, Not Just Skill 06:55 — Make Them Feel Like Owners 08:09 — Building a Firm That Lasts 100 Years 10:41 — Succession as Continuation, Not Sale 13:36 — Culture, Care, and Shared Responsibility 20:43 — Why Mark Rejected Outside Ownership 28:45 — The First Internal Ownership Tranche 32:30 — Completing the Internal Sale 35:47 — Mark’s Next Chapter as CIO 39:31 — Win-Win Ethics and Profit-Based Payback 45:57 — Closing Reflections NEXT STEPMap your succession runway before you map the transaction. Identify the people who could eventually carry the firm forward, then ask what ownership behaviors, decision-making authority, client relationships, and economic participation they can begin building now—years before an exit is required.

    From Founder to CIO: Mark Aho’s Internal Succession Playbook

  3. Oct 13

    The Accidental CEO: Building a Firm Beyond Yourself (ICYMI w David Adams)

    After years of building his practice organically, David Adams found himself with roughly $2 million in revenue, about 200 clients and very little support. He was working around 80 hours a week and beginning to feel overwhelmed. Recognizing that hiring people was not the same as knowing how to lead them, he brought in a coach and added positions ahead of immediate demand. The discussion shifts from staffing to client trust: a dentist’s office illustrates how a team can deliver consistent care without the principal doing every task. Succession preparation becomes a concrete question about taking a month off—what must be taught or delegated first? Starting with the work that would wait during a week away offers a manageable way to reduce dependence on the founder. Key Topics• Recognizing the accidental CEO stage of an advisory practice • Learning to lead rather than expecting new hires to figure it out • Hiring ahead of demand to create capacity • Teaching service standards so clients can trust the team • Using planned time away to identify succession gaps Chapters00:00 — The accidental CEO and the limits of solo growth 01:29 — Hiring a coach and building capacity ahead of demand 02:53 — What a dentist’s office teaches about client service 04:40 — The month-off test: what needs to be delegated? Next StepVisit Total Succession for free tools to help you prepare for what comes next. https://totalsuccession.com LinksTotal Succession resources: https://totalsuccession.com

    The Accidental CEO: Building a Firm Beyond Yourself (ICYMI w David Adams)

  4. Oct 6

    Build Capacity Before You Need It - With David Adams

    What if succession planning started years before a sale, retirement date, or health event forced the conversation? David Adams joins Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour to explain how his own succession journey began with a much more immediate problem: he had built a successful advisory business that depended too heavily on him. Long hours, too many responsibilities, and an “accidental CEO” role eventually pushed him to rethink how he hired, led, and delegated. David walks through the operating decisions that changed the firm: hiring slowly but before capacity became a crisis, creating redundancy, developing future leaders over years instead of months, and introducing team members into client relationships so trust could transfer naturally. He also explains his “chief problem-solver” mindset—saving his own time and energy for complex situations while empowering others to own ongoing client care and execution. The payoff is bigger than a lighter calendar. David now has room to step away, recover energy, spend time with family, and still show up fully for moments that matter—like a late-day conversation helping a client’s granddaughter think through college and money. The episode makes the case that succession is not something to prepare for when the founder is finally ready to leave. It is something you build by reducing dependence on the founder long before that day arrives. The information has been obtained from sources considered to be reliable, but we do not guarantee that the foregoing material is accurate or complete. Any opinions are those of the speaker and not necessarily those of Raymond James. Expressions of opinion are as of this date and are subject to change without notice. There is no guarantee that these statements, opinions or forecasts provided herein will prove to be correct. Investing involves risk and you may incur a profit or loss regardless of strategy selected, including diversification and asset allocation. KEY TOPICSThe “accidental CEO” problem in a growing advisory firmBurnout, founder dependence, and the limits of working harderSlow-to-hire, quick-to-fire leadership disciplineHiring ahead of demand and building excess capacityReinvesting in people before the need becomes urgentDeveloping next-generation advisors over multiple yearsGradual client trust transfer and shared meeting structuresThe “medical intern” model for introducing future leadersChief problem-solver versus day-to-day caretakerDesigning a firm that can function without the founder presentEnergy management, time away, and better founder performanceUsing the “month off” test to expose succession gaps CHAPTERS00:00 — Cold Open: The Accidental CEO 00:38 — Meet David Adams 01:26 — 80-Hour Weeks and the Founder-Dependence Trap 03:09 — Slow to Hire, Quick to Fire 04:20 — What Team-Building Made Possible 08:18 — Why David Builds More Capacity Than He Needs 09:42 — Finding and Developing Miles and Carson 11:52 — Delegating Client Relationships Over Time 14:19 — The Medical-Intern Model for Trust Transfer 16:41 — Chief Problem-Solver, Not Caretaker 20:53 — Trust the Team, Culture, and Process 23:10 — Redesigning the CEO Role and Managing Energy 28:10 — The “Goodwill Deposit” With the Next Generation 30:38 — The Month-Off Test for Founder Dependence 34:43 — Build Succession Before a Crisis Forces It 37:51 — Closing Lessons and What Comes Next NEXT STEPRun the month-off test. Imagine you are leaving the business for a full month two months from now. Write down every client, operational, leadership, and decision-making responsibility that would still require you. Then identify what must be taught, delegated, documented, or staffed so the firm can operate without your daily presence. That list is your succession-capacity roadmap.

    Build Capacity Before You Need It - With David Adams

  5. Sep 29

    Clarify Before the Move: Steve Voss on Outgrowing Your Platform - ICYMI

    What happens when the platform that helped you build an advisory business begins to limit the business you want to build next? In this short ICYMI conversation, Steve Voss and the hosts examine the tension between familiar comfort and the freedom that can come from reconsidering a firm’s structure, ownership, and future. Their starting point is a simple image: a blanket that feels reassuring until you outgrow it. Steve describes how his experience with cancer treatment changed the way he thinks about time and ownership. He then identifies practical signs that an advisor may have outgrown a platform: working around the firm rather than with it, absorbing its constraints, or seeing a gap between the economics of the relationship and the enterprise value being built. With many models available, he argues for getting clear about the business you want first and working backward to a possible solution. The conversation closes by reframing obstacles as things to learn through, considering where a business owner may need help from the team, and distinguishing what real versus synthetic equity can reward. Rather than treating a move as an automatic answer, this excerpt invites advisors to define what they want from their time, ownership, and future growth before evaluating the options. The point at which a familiar firm structure becomes restrictiveThe emotional difficulty of leaving a comfortable platformHow a personal health experience reshaped Steve’s view of time and ownershipRecognizing when an advisor is working around a firm instead of with itConstraints, economics, and the enterprise value a team is buildingWhy having more platform options can also create confusionStarting with business goals and working backward to a solutionTreating unfamiliar obstacles as opportunities to learnDelegating operational detail so an owner can work at a higher levelReal equity, synthetic equity, and the distinction between past and future rewards 00:00 — Why a familiar platform feels comfortable 00:27 — When the comfort blanket becomes restrictive 01:04 — Steve’s personal turning point on time and ownership 01:58 — Recognizing when you have outgrown a platform 02:21 — Firm economics and the enterprise value you build 02:42 — Too many options: begin with the business you want 03:28 — Reframing obstacles as opportunities to learn 04:00 — Let the team handle details so owners can think bigger 04:13 — Real equity versus synthetic equity 04:40 — The closing question: what should equity reward?

    Clarify Before the Move: Steve Voss on Outgrowing Your Platform - ICYMI

  6. Sep 22

    Clarify Before The Move: A Conversation With Steve Voss

    Financial advisors often begin a major business decision with structure: Which platform? What deal? What valuation? What does the transition package look like? Steve Voss makes the case for starting one step earlier. Before comparing options, an advisor needs to understand what they are actually trying to create. Steve joins Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour to explore the advisory business as an enterprise rather than simply a book of individual production. They discuss the shift from advisor to business owner, the economics and tradeoffs involved in different models, building infrastructure that can support growth, and the factors that ultimately create durable enterprise value. That same thinking changes the succession conversation. Valuation matters, but so do profitability, structure, timing, optionality, and the life the owner wants on the other side of the decision. Whether the next step is a move, another stage of growth, a partnership, or an eventual exit, clarity creates better choices—and building those choices before they become urgent creates leverage. • Defining the desired outcome before comparing business options • Thinking like a business owner, not only a financial advisor • The move, scale, and exit lifecycle of an advisory practice • Independence and the economics of ownership • Understanding the tradeoffs behind different business structures • Revenue versus profitability and enterprise value • Building infrastructure that supports scale • Moving beyond personal production to a transferable enterprise • Creating value long before a succession transaction • Valuation, deal economics, and the owner’s actual outcome • Succession as part of a broader business strategy • Creating options before timing forces the decision 00:00 — Meet Steve Voss and the Business-Owner Conversation 03:45 — Why the Desired Outcome Comes First 07:20 — What Are You Actually Solving For? 11:05 — From Financial Advisor to Business Owner 14:50 — Understanding the Economics of Ownership 18:40 — Building for Scale, Not Just Production 22:35 — What Actually Creates Enterprise Value 26:40 — Infrastructure, Profitability, and Better Decisions 30:35 — Succession as Part of the Business Lifecycle 34:10 — Valuation, Structure, and the Real Economic Outcome 38:20 — Creating Options Before the Decision Becomes Urgent 42:15 — Choosing the Right Next Step 44:35 — Clarity Creates Options Before comparing a platform, partner, growth investment, buyer, or succession structure, write a one-page owner brief: What do I want my role, income, ownership, team, client experience, and time to look like three years from now? Then evaluate each available option against that outcome—not just against the headline economics. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode TotalSuccession.com TotalSuccession.com/Podcast Tyson Ray Tyson’s book Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First Kim Cochenour

    Clarify Before The Move: A Conversation With Steve Voss

  7. Sep 15

    ICYMI: Let Them Cook — Jackie Wilke on Trusting the Next Generation

    Succession planning is not only about finding a buyer or maximizing a number. It is also about choosing the people, culture, and working model that can carry the business forward. In this ICYMI cut, Jackie Wilke explains why advisors should pay attention to cultural fit as closely as valuation, why next-generation professionals may work differently without working less, and why forcing an old operating model onto a new generation can set them up to fail. Once the right team is in place, the leadership job changes: give them the tools, trust them, involve them in decisions, and listen to what they are seeing. That matters even more as AI and technology reshape the advisory business. Jackie points out that younger professionals may be closer to emerging tools, client expectations, and new ways of working. Succession becomes stronger when senior leaders create the space for those perspectives before the transition is urgent. KEY TOPICS • AI as a tool for creating more high-value human interaction • Monetizing a life’s work without losing sight of clients and employees • Matching next-generation talent to succession needs • Why cultural fit matters alongside valuation • Avoiding “golden handcuffs” created by the wrong transition • Why next-generation professionals may work differently • Leadership responsibility for creating the conditions to succeed • Trusting the team after giving them the tools • Involving next-gen professionals in real business decisions • Using mid-year planning to surface next-generation insight • Next-gen perspective on AI and technology • Building buy-in and loyalty through involvement CHAPTERS 00:00 — AI Creates More Time for Human Interaction 01:04 — Monetizing a Life’s Work 01:31 — Matching Next-Gen Talent to Succession Needs 02:00 — Culture Before the Number 02:24 — The Next Generation Wants to Work Different 03:16 — Trust the Team and Let Them Cook 03:44 — Ask the Next Generation for Their Insight 04:10 — Let Next Gen Help Lead AI and Technology NEXT STEP At your next planning meeting, ask one next-generation team member what they are seeing that senior leadership may be missing—especially around technology, AI, client experience, or the way work gets done. Then give them a real decision where that perspective can influence the outcome. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode TotalSuccession.com TotalSuccession.com/Podcast Tyson Ray Tyson’s book Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First Kim Cochenour

    ICYMI: Let Them Cook — Jackie Wilke on Trusting the Next Generation

  8. Sep 8

    Financial Advisor Succession: Build Your Next-Gen Bench Before You Need It (with Jackie Wilke)

    Succession planning is changing. Advisors have more buyers, more enterprise support, and more ways to structure a transition than they did a few years ago—but more options do not automatically create a better outcome. In this episode, Jackie Wilke joins Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour to discuss what she is seeing across the advisor industry and why the best succession plans start long before a retirement date is fixed. The conversation moves beyond valuation. Jackie explains why cultural fit, client continuity, shared values, and the future leader’s working style matter just as much as the headline number. Developing a successor also means giving next-generation professionals the tools and authority to contribute now: involving them in decisions, listening to their perspective on technology and AI, and building a career path that can eventually include ownership. Whether that path involves internal buy-in, sweat equity, enterprise matching, or another structure, the core advantage is time. Life events and retirement plans can change faster than expected. Building the bench early gives advisors more choices, gives future leaders a reason to stay, and gives clients a smoother transition when succession becomes real. KEY TOPICS • Why succession planning is becoming more proactive • Unexpected life events that compress transition timelines • How enterprises are getting more involved in advisor succession • Programs connecting retiring advisors with next-generation professionals • Why more offers and options do not eliminate the need for fit • Looking beyond valuation to culture, clients, and values • The ROI of developing next-generation talent early • What next-generation professionals want to be part of • Hard skills, soft skills, and qualitative fit • Involving future leaders in decisions about AI and technology • Creating ownership paths through buy-in, sweat equity, or financing • Avoiding the scramble when retirement happens sooner than planned 00:00 — Succession Is More Than a Transaction 01:20 — What’s Changing in the Succession Conversation 03:30 — The Triggers That Make Planning Urgent 06:10 — Enterprises Step Into the Succession Gap 09:00 — More Options—and the Need for a Runway 11:55 — Why the Highest Number Isn’t Always the Best Fit 15:00 — What the Next Generation Wants to Join 16:30 — Hard Skills, Soft Skills, and a Different Way of Working 19:30 — Empower Future Leaders Before the Transition 20:25 — AI, Technology, and the Value of Next-Gen Perspective 23:40 — Retaining Future Leaders 24:10 — Ownership Paths: Buy-In, Sweat Equity, and Values 25:30 — Culture Is Part of the Succession Plan 27:00 — What If You Retire Earlier Than Expected? Identify one future leader and give them one meaningful decision, one client-facing responsibility, and one ownership-path conversation this quarter. Then test your succession options before urgency chooses for you. Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode TotalSuccession.com TotalSuccession.com/Podcast Tyson Ray Tyson’s book Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First Kim Cochenour

    Financial Advisor Succession: Build Your Next-Gen Bench Before You Need It (with Jackie Wilke)
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So you've built a business helping others plan their future. But what's the plan for yours? Your future deserves the same attention you give your clients every day. It's time to protect what you've built and prepare for what's next. Welcome to the Total Succession Show, your resource for learning how to exit confidently, be fully compensated, and keep your clients' interests first. Hosted by veteran financial advisor Tyson Ray and co-host Kim Cochenour, each episode will help you navigate the emotional and strategic challenges of succession planning through real-life stories, insights from industry experts, and Tyson's SPACE framework: See, Prepare, Act, Commit, Exit. Tune in each week and head to totalsuccession.com for free tools to help you start preparing for what's next.

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  • Creator
    Tyson Ray
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    78
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