TIMING IS EVERYTHING… The world of soul music is full of its fair share of recording artists and performers who, for whatever their destiny may be, don’t ascend to the heights of recognition their talent warrants or deserves. In the crowded pantheon of ‘60s and ‘70s R&B, Thelma Jones is not - as she herself would acknowledge - a ‘household’ name. Indeed, like many a soulful purveyor of emotive and passionate singing - even in the hallowed hierachy of avid record buyers and listeners - Thelma is known only by a dedicated few, most notably and in particular in the UK. With the 1967 blues ballad “Never Leave Me,” Thelma achieved US Top 50 R&B chart status - and yet, some of her recordings for the Barry label achieved a greater reception among Britain’s ‘Northern Soul’ community. DAVID NATHAN: JUST MY SOUL RESPONDING... is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. SOUL CITY RECORDS - REVIVED & REJUVENATED… In 2025, I was approached by UK-based Charly Records to consider the relaunch of Soul City Records, a label that I co-founded with Dave Godin and Robert Blackmore in l968 as a natural outgrowth of our shop that only sold American R&B 45s and LPs. Soul City Records lasted for almost two years -and yet, among Britain’s hardcore soul music fraternity of the ‘60s, it became somewhat the stuff of mythology and legend. Our 1969 releases included the original recording of “The House That Jack Built” by Thelma Jones (covered and a big hit for Aretha Franklin in 1968) and in what I can only call synchro-destiny, August 2026 sees the ‘return’ of Thelma to the revived Soul City label with two brilliant new recordings, “Love That Man” and “Movin’ In The Right Direction.” Timing is, indeed, everything! (Note: The transcript for the audio has been edited) DAVID N: Welcome everybody. I am so excited to have a conversation today with the incomparable Ms. Thelma Jones! She is about to have a new release, first release ever anywhere in the world of two recordings she has done. “Love That Man “and “Movin’ In The Right Direction.” It’s even more wonderful for me that they’re on Soul City Records, which is the label that I started with Dave Godin and Robert Blackmore, originally back in 1968. One of our first releases back then was also a recording by Thelma, “The House of Jack Built” and here we are all these years later, reuniting with Thelma for this brand new release. So welcome Thelma! THELMA J: Thank you so much. I’m so grateful to be here and I’m doing very, very well. DAVID N: Well, I’m sure people are going to want to know how this whole new recording came about. Share with us a little bit about the whole process that led to this release on Soul City… THELMA J: Well, it was actually the producer of this record and the writer is Mr. James Holvay. We were doing some music projects together and he was interested in putting together a promo or a theme song for President Obama at the time for his second re-election campaign [in 2013]. He came up with this song, “Movin’ In The Right Direction, and “Love That Man,” which will be the A side. That’s how we decided to do it. DAVID N: Did you have any plans for it being released at that time, when it was recorded? THELMA J: At that time, we did not. He was going to present it to the Obama campaign managers, and I don’t know that he ever had the opportunity to do that, but then he was at some point planning to release “Love That Man”, but it just never happened until now. DAVID N: And we can tell the story… I don’t mind us telling the story about how this came about. Because in the interest of transparency for everyone who will be listening to this, I have known Thelma personally as a dear friend for quite a few decades. I think how I recall that one of the people at Charly Records, was working with a gentleman you mentioned, James Holvay, and had this track and he wasn’t 100% sure who it was. He asked me to listen to it and I said, well, I’m not sure, I think it’s Thelma Jones. Then as you recall, Thelma, I believe I played it to you on the phone. I think that’s how I did it. THELMA J: You did. I had actually forgotten that we did that session. When I heard it and I said, ‘I’m not sure. Are you sure that’s me?’ It was quite comical because you said, ‘yes, Miss Thelma. I know your voice. I know the inflections, the way you phrase, that is you.’ After I listened to it, I went, ‘oh, yes. I remember recording this with James Holvay’. DAVID N: Yes. At that point, we had not heard “Movin’ In The Right Direction.” We only heard that one song, “Love That Man.” I remember what I did, actually, when I heard it… and I diDavid N’t know anything about James Holvay…and I went online and tried to see, ‘ Has this been something that Thelma did thatI diDavid N’t know about? I coulDavid N’t find it anywhere, of course, it haDavid N’t been released. Then, as you know how it’s all turned out, Chary Records working with Soul City label has been able to work it out to have it released. I’ve got to tell you, from my perspective, it sounds absolutely brilliant! To me, it has that kind of almost like a Chicago soul sound to it. So tell me about what you remember about the session. I mean, anything you want to say about the actual recording of it? THELMA J: Well, it’s very interesting that you mentioned that it has the Chicago soul sound, because that’s where James is from, Chicago. That is his musical background. Of course, R&B music, but he especially loved Curtis Mayfield. But he really, really loved that sound that is specific to Chicago. What I remember about the session was that I loved it, it was an easy going feeling in the studio, no pressure…it was just easy. I actually enjoyed it which I can hear that through the listening to the song afterwards. DAVID N: I have to tell you that I personally was a little torn between which I thought should be the A or B side because “Movin’ In The Right Direction” is as much a great recording as “Love That Man”. Do you want to say anything a little bit about “Movin’ In The Right Direction” because it seems kind of topical… given what’s going on in the world. I particularly noted that the flavor of it that would be reminiscent a little bit of Mavis Staples, I would say, in reference towards the end of the recording. THELMA J: Oh yes, oh yes. It is really interesting the times we’re living in and the message in the song that he was offering to the Obama campaign at the time. It is reminiscent a little Mavis. DAVID N: I know it’s been a while since you had a new record out, Thelma, so we want to catch people up a little bit about what you’ve been up to. I do recall specifically that you’ve had a couple of times coming to Europe, which has been quite amazing because I think both or three occasions that you have been over on this side of the pond, as they used to say. One was in Northampton, was very much a ‘Northern Soul’ event. I think it’s okay to tell people that, when we were there, it was really interesting how much those recordings that you made all the way back in the years, in the 60s, still resonate with that particular audience, songs like “Stronger.” I just want you to share with us a little bit about when that happened, what was your reaction to it? THELMA J: I was just really overwhelmed and amazed and so appreciative because that the fan base was still there and remembered the songs and was singing along with me. It was just wonderful. DAVID N: Then, of course, you and I got together again in Italy at Porretta, which is also very memorable to me because I recall that you treated us on a Sunday morning at a local church with an incredible rendition of “Take My Hand, Precious Lord, “which I know is very much a part of your gospel roots. I want to say a little bit about that too, because I think that’s also, for people who haven’t heard from you for a while, let’s give them some idea of your story in as much as it began in the world of gospel. You singing that song was very fitting, I think, on that occasion [in 2010]. THELMA J: That’s my roots, my base. That’s what I started out singing. The music was, of course, gospel. I think I remember the first time I ever sung a song in public was in the church. I was about five years old and my aunt bribed me into singing because she’s a very devout Christian. She came to visit and she heard me singing every blues song that was popular at the time and she said to me, ‘well, do you know any songs about Jesus?’ I remember that vividly, I said, ‘no, ma’am’ and she says, ‘well, if I teach you a song about Jesus, I’ll make a very pretty little dress. Will you sing it at church?’ I went, ‘oh, you know, being a little Taurean baby, I wanted that pretty dress!’ So I said, oh, yes, ma’am.’ She taught me this song, ‘I’ll Fly Away’ and I ended up singing it in church for the first time. The response was so overwhelming. I ended up becoming a member of the choir and singing gospel music for quite a long time. DAVID N: Well, what’s amazing is that you said you were five? THELMA J: Five. Four or five. I was very little. DAVID N: Yeah. I mean, do you have to stand on a little stool or something? THELMA J: Well, you know, that’s interesting. the acoustics in the churches in those days, you really didn’t need a microphone so they let me stand on the little platform just below the pulpit so everybody could see the little person that was singing. It was almost frightening to a certain degree because the people reacted so emotionally and everybody wanted to grab you and squeeze you. They were shouting, ‘Praise the Lord! That was kind of scary to me, but I wanted that little dress and I got it. DAVID N: So you