Can You Dig it

Hosts: Joe Shields and Dan Fuller -- Produced By: Theo Sloan and Bill Smith
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This podcast delves into the intriguing history of cemeteries, blending elements of horticulture, world history, and a touch of the macabre. Join Dan Fuller, the Cemetery Chronicler, and Joe Shields, the plot-loving Development Exec, as they explore the forgotten stories of cemeteries like St. Louis's Bellefontaine. For history buffs, horticulture enthusiasts, and those who appreciate a bit of mystery, this podcast offers a unique blend of education and entertainment. Let's dig in.

  1. 6d ago

    Architectural Alchemy

    In this episode of the Can You Dig It podcast, Dan Fuller and Joe Shields discuss the Cascade Mausoleum at Bellefontaine Cemetery with architect Tom Wall. Wall shares his journey, inspired by his father, Mitchell Wall, and the family business. The mausoleum, designed with a forced perspective and solar alignment, features a 30,000-pound granite slab cut at a precise angle to illuminate a cross on a specific day. The design incorporates elements of life, death, and afterlife, and is meant to be interactive for the living. The podcast also highlights the importance of architects on the cemetery's board and the diverse architectural styles present at Bellefontaine. OutlineCascade Mausoleum Introduction and Podcast Setup Dan and Joe introduce the Can You Dig It podcast, focusing on the history and architecture of Bellefontaine Cemetery and Arboretum.Joe announces the guest, Tom Wall, an architect and board member at Bellefontaine Cemetery.Tom Wall shares his journey as an architect, starting with his father, Mitchell Wall, and his involvement in the family business.Dan highlights the importance of having an architect on the board for reviewing and approving new projects at the cemetery.Joe discusses the importance of a diverse board of trustees in historic cemeteries, mentioning Bellefontaine's nonprofit status and the role of the Friends of Bellefontaine Cemetery.Tom Wall talks about his role on the board and the diverse backgrounds of other board members, emphasizing the value of different perspectives.Joe shares his passion for mausoleums and the extensive inventory of above-ground structures at Bellefontaine Cemetery.Dan and Joe discuss the influence of various architects on the cemetery's design, including George I. Barnett and Tom Wall.Tom Wall explains the design process for Cascade Mausoleum, including extensive research and inspiration from historical mausoleums.He describes the concept of forced perspective and how it was incorporated into the mausoleum's design.Dan and Joe discuss the significance of the mausoleum's size and its placement by Cascade Lake.Tom shares the story of Byron Shinkle's burial and the historical context of mausoleum construction at Bellefontaine Cemetery.Tom Wall delves into the symbolic elements of Cascade Mausoleum, including the three-dimensional design inspired by a Rubik's cube.He explains the significance of the site selection and the earth berming to create an Acropolis-like feel.The mausoleum's design is described as a journey from life to death to afterlife, with specific architectural elements representing each stage.Tom highlights the use of stained glass by Emil Fry Stained Glass Studio and the solar alignment feature of the mausoleum.Tom Wall discusses the solar alignment feature of Cascade Mausoleum, which creates a cross of light on a specific day at a specific time.He shares the emotional impact of seeing the alignment and the importance of the design's accuracy.Joe and Dan talk about the significance of the alignment and the challenges of achieving it.Tom reflects on the emotional response of his wife and friends to the completed mausoleum, emphasizing the personal connection to the project.Tom Wall reflects on his design philosophy and the importance of creating meaningful and interactive architecture.He discusses the potential for future mausoleum projects and the possibility of exploring different design directions.Dan and Joe highlight the importance of visiting Cascade Mausoleum and engaging with its architectural elements.Joe shares his passion for guiding tours and the unique features of Bellefontaine Cemetery, including its diverse architectural styles and historical significance.Dan and Joe invite listeners to visit Bellefontaine Cemetery and experience the Cascade Mausoleum in person.Joe shares his enthusiasm for guiding tours and the unique aspects of Bellefontaine Cemetery's architecture.

  2. Sep 14

    Nickel for Your Thoughts? Remembering Jerry Garrett

    Dan and Joe discuss the legacy of Jerry Garrett, a dedicated volunteer and historian at Bellefontaine Cemetery. Jerry's passion for Lewis and Clark led him to travel across the U.S. and develop a deep knowledge of their expedition. He was known for his engaging storytelling, wit, and dedication, often giving commemorative nickels to tour attendees. Jerry also played a significant role in the creation of the Lewis and Clark statue on the St. Louis riverfront. His contributions include educational signage for the Lewis and Clark Trail at the cemetery. The podcast honors Jerry's memory and impact on the community. Remembering Jerry Garrett's Contributions to Bellefontaine Cemetery Dan and Joe discuss the impact of losing volunteers like Renee, Jake, Addie, Cindy, John, Ted, and Jerry Garrett.Jerry Garrett's interest in William Clark began 40 years ago in 1984 when he took a trip across the United States.Jerry's trip inspired him to read about Lewis and Clark, leading to a lifelong interest in their expedition.Joe highlights Jerry's dedication and passion as a volunteer, describing him as one-of-a-kind and a definition of kindness and grace.Dan recalls meeting Jerry in 2012 when he started at Bellefontaine Cemetery, noting Jerry's role in leading private tours.Jerry was known for his delivery and wit, often leaving attendees with thought-provoking insights.Joe shares his first interaction with Jerry, where he mispronounced a name, and Jerry's graceful response.Dan and Joe discuss Jerry's creative side, including his infamous game parties and self-given birthday parties.Dan describes Jerry's ability to orchestrate events and gather people with common interests.Jerry's tours often included giving commemorative nickels to attendees, especially those related to William Clark.Jerry's storytelling and delivery were highly influential, with Dan often using Jerry's phrases in his own tours.Joe shares a personal story about receiving Jerry's collection of tie tacks, highlighting Jerry's generosity and impact.Dan and Joe discuss Jerry's involvement in various events and institutions around St. Louis.Jerry's philanthropy and relationship-building skills were widely recognized and appreciated.Dan mentions Jerry's donation of journals from his cross-country trip, which will be shared in the future.Joe shares a story about Jerry's passion for political figures and his connections with notable individuals.Jerry played a significant role in the creation and placement of the Lewis and Clark statue on the St. Louis riverfront.The statue, called "Captain's Return," features Lewis, Clark, and the dog, and was placed in a prominent location.Jerry's involvement in the project highlights his dedication to preserving and celebrating St. Louis history.Dan and Joe reflect on Jerry's legacy and the impact he had on the community and Bellefontaine Cemetery.James Papel, the director of horticulture at Bellefontaine, shares his last project with Jerry: the Lewis and Clark Trail signage.Jerry's work on the signage reflects his commitment to sharing information with the public.Dan and Joe discuss the ongoing impact of Jerry's contributions to the cemetery and the community.The podcast concludes with a tribute to Jerry, encouraging listeners to share their memories and stories of him.Jerry Garrett's Role and Impact as a VolunteerJerry's Unique Approach to Tours and InteractionsJerry's Legacy and Contributions to St. LouisJerry's Role in the Lewis and Clark Statue ProjectJerry's Final Projects and Legacy at Bellefontaine Cemetery

  3. Aug 31

    Divided City Pt2 - S3-E2

    In this episode, the boys, along with guest Christopher Allen Gordon, delve into the complexities of the American Civil War, focusing on St. Louis and Bellefontaine Cemetery. They discuss notable figures like Sterling Price, who presided over a convention that decided against secession, and Francis Brunell, the first Medal of Honor recipient. They also explore the Sultana disaster, the worst maritime disaster in U.S. history, and the story of Adeline Cousins, one of the first women to receive reparations for her Civil War injuries. The episode highlights the profound impact of the Civil War on American society and the ongoing historical discoveries at Bellefontaine Cemetery. OutlineCivil War Pt 2: Introduction and Participants Dan and Joe discuss the possibility of connecting the Civil War to William Shatner.Joe introduces the Can You Dig It podcast, focusing on the dark secrets of St. Louis and Bellefontaine Cemetery.Dan thanks the Missouri Historical Society for hosting them and mentions the difficult conversation about the Civil War in St. Louis.Dan and Joe discuss Sterling Price, a former governor of Missouri, and his burial next to Hamilton Gamble at Bellefontaine Cemetery.They mention the carriage used for Abraham Lincoln's funeral and its connection to various notable individuals buried at Bellefontaine.Dan and Joe delve into Sterling Price's role as a conditional unionist and his involvement in the Missouri secession convention.Joe shares a fun fact about Sterling Price declaring Thanksgiving a state holiday in Missouri in 1853.Dan mentions the first recipient of the Medal of Honor, Francis Brunell, and his actions during the Civil War.They discuss the significance of the Medal of Honor and its connection to the Civil War.Joe highlights the 10 Medal of Honor recipients buried at Bellefontaine, with eight from the Civil War.Dan and Joe discuss Henry Wirz, the Swiss-born Confederate commander of Andersonville prison, and his trial for war crimes.They mention Norton P. Chipman, who played a significant role in the prosecution of Henry Wirz.Joe explains Henry Wirz's defense of "only following orders" and his eventual execution.Dan shares the connection of Norton P. Chipman to Bellefontaine Cemetery and his involvement in the Civil War.They mention the overcrowded ship and its boiler issues, leading to the explosion and sinking.Joe highlights the significant number of casualties, including former Andersonville prisoners headed to Benton Barracks in St. Louis.Joe introduces Adeline Cousins, one of the first women to receive reparations from the U.S. government for her Civil War injuries.He details her work as a nurse during the Civil War and her dedication to helping wounded soldiers.Dan mentions Adeline Cousins' military marker at Bellefontaine Cemetery and her efforts as a suffragette.They discuss the challenges and sacrifices of Civil War nurses and the impact of their work.They highlight the significance of Fletcher's actions and the impact of the Emancipation Proclamation.Joe mentions the contrast between Fletcher and Joseph Nash McDowell, buried near Fletcher at Bellefontaine Cemetery.They reflect on the tumultuous period of the Civil War and the changes it brought to Missouri.Dan and Joe discuss the immense casualties of the Civil War and the impact on American society.They mention the invention of new weapons like the Gatling gun and the Spencer rifle during the war.Joe highlights the personal toll on President Lincoln and the difficult decisions he had to make.They reflect on the lasting legacy of the Civil War and the lessons learned from its horrific events.Dan and Joe encourage listeners to visit the Missouri Historical Society for more information on the Civil War.Joe emphasizes the importance of understanding the Civil War and its impact on American history.They conclude the episode by expressing gratitude to their listeners and promising more interesting topics in future episodes.

  4. Aug 17

    Divided City Pt1 - E1-S3

    In the first episode of season three of the "Can You Dig It" podcast, Dan Fuller and Joe Shields, along with guest Christopher Gordon, delve into the complex history of St. Louis during the American Civil War. They discuss the German immigrants' fervent desire for freedom and their role in saving the St. Louis Arsenal from Confederate forces. The conversation highlights the Dred Scott case, which overturned the Missouri Compromise and set the stage for the conflict. They also explore the Camp Jackson affair, where Union troops clashed with secessionists, resulting in civilian casualties. The episode emphasizes the deep-rooted tensions and the significant impact of the Civil War on St. Louis. Outline: German Contributions to St. Louis and Introduction to the Podcast Dan asks Joe about the contributions Germans brought to St. Louis, and Joe mentions their fervent desire for freedom and their role in saving the St. Louis Arsenal from Confederate forces.Joe introduces the Can You Dig It podcast, highlighting its focus on exploring the dark secrets of St. Louis and Bellefontaine Cemetery.Dan and Joe welcome listeners to season three of the podcast, introducing themselves and their roles at Bellefontaine Cemetery and Arboretum.Dan and Joe discuss the complexity of Missouri's secession from the Union, mentioning the two governors, Claiborne Fox Jackson and Hamilton Gamble.Dan and Joe delve into the Dred Scott case, its impact on the Civil War, and the Missouri Compromise, which was overturned by the Dred Scott v. Sandford decision.Christopher and Dan discuss the legal wrangling surrounding Dred Scott's case and the political changes that affected the Supreme Court's decisions.Dan and Joe explain the Dred Scott case, its significance, and the legal battles that took place in St. Louis.Christopher highlights the historical context of the Dred Scott case, including the Blow family's involvement and the legal tradition in Missouri.Dan mentions the Camp Jackson affair, the first fatalities of the Civil War in St. Louis, and the military presence at Jefferson Barracks.Christopher and Dan discuss the political and social tensions in St. Louis leading up to the Civil War, including the German immigrants' anti-slavery stance and the military actions at Camp Jackson.Dan and Joe describe the Camp Jackson affair, the military actions, and the civilian casualties that occurred in May 1861.Christopher explains the political and military dynamics leading up to the Camp Jackson affair, including the Union forces' response to the secessionists' activities.Dan and Joe discuss John C. Fremont's anti-slavery views and his actions during the Camp Jackson affair.Christopher explains Fremont's background, his marriage to Jessie Benton, and his career in the military and politics.Dan mentions Fremont's connection to Bellefontaine Cemetery through his children and his role in the Dred Scott case.Christopher and Dan discuss Fremont's impact on the Civil War, including his actions in St. Louis and his eventual discharge from his command.Dan and Joe discuss the German community's role in the Civil War, their anti-slavery stance, and their quick decision to support the Union.Dan mentions the new technology and communication methods that emerged during the Civil War, including the telegraph and the impact on news dissemination.Christopher and Dan discuss the role of newspapers in shaping public opinion and the importance of reading multiple perspectives.Dan and Joe discuss the broader implications of the Civil War in St. Louis, including the political and social tensions and the impact on the community.Dan mentions the importance of understanding the full story of the Civil War in St. Louis and the contributions of individuals buried at Bellefontaine Cemetery.Christopher and Dan discuss the ongoing impact of the Civil War on St. Louis and the importance of preserving its history.

  5. 12/31/2025

    The Greenest Goodbye: John Hughes on Alkaline Hydrolysis

    Can You Dig It - Season 2 EP 008 - John Hughes - Hughes Funeral Alternatives Dan Fuller and Joe Shields discuss the history and innovations of Hughes Funeral Alternatives LLC with owner John Hughes. Hughes' company, established in 2017, offers alkaline hydrolysis, a more environmentally friendly alternative to traditional cremation, with a 18-times lower carbon footprint and 90% less energy usage. The process, which takes 8-10 hours, results in mineral bone ash. Hughes' facility, located at Hillcrest Abbey, is the sixth crematory in the U.S. and the first west of the Mississippi. They also discuss the historical significance of Hillcrest Abbey and the personalization of funeral services. John Hughes explains the establishment of Hughes Funeral Alternatives in 2017, Missouri's first provider of alkaline hydrolysis.The company outgrew their initial location and moved to Hillcrest Abbey, renovating the Missouri Crematory.Dan and John discuss the historical significance of Hillcrest Abbey as the first crematory west of the Mississippi.John provides an explanation of alkaline hydrolysis, comparing it to natural burial processes and its environmental benefits.Alkaline hydrolysis uses 90% less energy and produces zero carbon emissions, making it an attractive option for environmentally conscious families.The process is also more cost-effective than traditional burial, which can exceed $7,500.John shares his personal journey into the funeral industry and his discovery of alkaline hydrolysis through a funeral trade magazine.The decision to offer alkaline hydrolysis was driven by John's personal preference and environmental concerns.John discusses the restoration of Hillcrest Abbey and the Missouri Crematory, emphasizing the historical significance of the site.The crematory and columbarium are significant historical landmarks, reflecting St. Louis's pioneering spirit.Dan shares the story of Elizabeth Todd Terry, the first person cremated at Hillcrest Abbey, and her connection to St. Louis history.The restoration efforts aim to preserve the historical integrity of the site while modernizing the facilities.Dan and John explore the genealogical connections between their families and the individuals buried at Hillcrest Abbey.Dan mentions his relatives who are cremated and laid to rest in the columbarium at Bellefontaine Cemetery.The discussion highlights the importance of genealogy in understanding the history and significance of the cemetery.Joe asks about 19th-century burial practices, and Dan explains the rise and fall of cremation during different historical periods.John explains the existence of a cremation log that documents every cremation at Hillcrest Abbey, including notable individuals like Frank James.The log contains thousands of entries, providing a comprehensive record of the cremations performed at the site.Dan and Joe discuss the potential for digitizing these records to make them more accessible to researchers and families.Dan and John discuss the versatility of the facilities, which can accommodate weddings, memorial services, and other events.The modern facilities aim to provide a respectful and flexible environment for families to honor their loved ones.John introduces the concept of a biodegradable urn garden, where cremated remains are mixed with a special soil mixture and returned to nature.John discusses the potential for future innovations in the funeral industry, including the legalization of composting.The goal is to continue educating the public about alternative burial options and the environmental benefits of aquamation.Dan and Joe emphasize the importance of personal choice in funeral arrangements and the need for education on sustainable practices.The conversation highlights the ongoing efforts to modernize and improve funeral services while preserving historical integrity.

  6. 12/17/2025

    The Gateway to Justice: How St. Louis Courts Defined American Rights - S2-E7

    In the "Can You Dig It" podcast episode, hosts Joe and Dan discuss the historical significance of St. Louis lawyers and court cases. They highlight the impact of the Virginia Minor case in 1874, which, though unsuccessful, paved the way for the 19th Amendment granting women the right to vote. They also mention Hamilton Rowan Gamble's dissenting vote in the Dred Scott case, which influenced the 13th and 14th Amendments. Additionally, they cover Edward Bates' role as Attorney General during the Civil War and George Vest's famous eulogy for a dog. The episode concludes with a discussion on the Missouri Plan for selecting Supreme Court judges and the City of Ladue vs. Galileo Vet case, which upheld the First Amendment.

  7. 12/16/2025

    Suffrage on the Riverfront: From Civil War Aid to the 19th Amendment S2-E6

    This episode explores the century-long fight for women's suffrage in St. Louis, highlighting the pivotal legal challenges of Virginia Minor and the tactical brilliance of Edna Gellhorn’s "Golden Lane" protest. The discussion emphasizes how local organizations and grassroots activism evolved from post-Civil War aid societies into a powerful, non-violent political movement. Recorded at 4 Hands Brewing, the conversation honors the persistence of three generations of suffragists who overcame legal defeats and internal divisions to secure the right to vote.

  8. 11/19/2025

    The Green-Wood Connection: Art, Trees, and Stewardship S2-E5

    Travel from St. Louis to Brooklyn as we uncover the deep-rooted connections between Bellefontaine and the legendary Green-Wood Cemetery.Former Horticulture Director Art Presson shares gripping tales of surviving Hurricane Sandy, managing ancient landscapes, and preserving iconic art like the Minerva statue.Discover the shared legacy of these American treasures and the passionate stewardship required to keep their history alive.

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This podcast delves into the intriguing history of cemeteries, blending elements of horticulture, world history, and a touch of the macabre. Join Dan Fuller, the Cemetery Chronicler, and Joe Shields, the plot-loving Development Exec, as they explore the forgotten stories of cemeteries like St. Louis's Bellefontaine. For history buffs, horticulture enthusiasts, and those who appreciate a bit of mystery, this podcast offers a unique blend of education and entertainment. Let's dig in.

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    Hosts: Joe Shields and Dan Fuller -- Produced By: Theo Sloan and Bill Smith
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    22
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