The Midlife Chrysalis

Chip Conley

The Midlife Chrysalis is a one-hour podcast hosted by Chip Conley, bestselling author of Learning to Love Midlife and founder of MEA (Modern Elder Academy). Chip and his high-profile guests – including Maria Shriver, Hoda Kotb, Elizabeth Gilbert, Michael Franti, and more – dive into raw, vulnerable conversations about the profound transitions they’ve experienced in midlife. Listeners get a rare look at how even the most successful individuals have to navigate life’s pivotal changes – and gain practical wisdom they can apply in their own lives for a more fulfilling and purposeful next chapter.

  1. 1D AGO

    Mortality Was My Wake-Up Call | Dr. Brad Jacobs

    What if the real key to longevity isn’t a biohack but a wake-up call? In this episode, Dr. Brad Jacobs, longevity expert, integrative medicine pioneer, and former UCSF professor, shares what truly helps us thrive in midlife. After losing his father to cancer at 27, Brad made it his life’s work to understand how we can live longer and better. In this episode, we explore: What actually extends your life (and what’s a distraction)Why sleep and stress matter more than most supplementsHow psychedelics are reshaping emotional healingWhat modern masculinity has to do with longevityWhy midlife is a powerful reset, not a decline If you’re in your second half and ready to live with more vitality, clarity, and purpose, this conversation will challenge and inspire you. Press play! Your midlife upgrade starts here. Timestamps: 04:10 Martial arts to longevity medicine 08:58 Rethinking US healthcare 11:26 Integrative health in midlife 14:42 Sleep optimization and wearables 18:02 Longevity myths and overtraining 19:13 Food philosophy and Blue Zones 21:59 Stress overload and chronic disease 25:50 Love, partnership and second chances 29:57 Psychedelic medicine and ketamine 35:11 Ketamine vs. Psilocybin 37:45 Modern masculinity redefined 41:08 Chip on coming out & courage 48:50 Live Longer Age Better workshop 50:28 Wisdom Bumper Sticker Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/ #Longevity #MidlifeHealth #HealthyAging #IntegrativeMedicine #LiveLonger #PsychedelicTherapy #KetamineTherapy #ModernMasculinity #MidlifeReset #SleepOptimization #BlueZones #EmotionalHealth #Biohacking #PreventChronicDisease #MidlifeTransformation

    55 min
  2. 4D AGO

    Why Midlife Feels Like Exile And Why That’s a Gift | David Whyte

    In this episode of Midlife Chrysalis, poet and philosopher David Whyte explores why midlife often feels like losing your way and why that experience may be exactly what opens the door to deeper meaning. Drawing on poetry, psychology, and Dante’s famous “dark wood,” David explains how moments of uncertainty can become powerful turning points in our lives. In this conversation, he shares: Why midlife can feel like exile from your old lifeWhat Dante’s “dark wood” teaches about transformationWhy silence and the unknown are essential for growthHow vulnerability and grief can lead to wisdom If you’ve ever felt lost, stuck, or questioning the direction of your life, this conversation offers a powerful new way to see it. 👉 Watch the full episode and discover why getting lost in midlife might be the beginning of something greater. Timestamps: 02:29 What “Midlife Chrysalis” Really Means 06:37 Dante and the Exile of Midlife 13:00 Aging, Eldership and the Inner Horizon 17:40 The Power of Silence and Contemplation 22:55 Poetry, Discipline and Inner Transformation 27:01 Why People Turn to Poetry in Midlife 33:13 Masculinity, Friendship, and Emotional Isolation 37:39 Work as a Spiritual Pilgrimage 44:22 The First Step to Deeper Conversations 50:00 Friendship with the Unknown 52:30 Vulnerability, Care, and Asking for Help 55:09 Wisdom Learned Between 50 and 70 58:27 Final Reflections on Caring and Presence Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/ #midlifecrisis #midlifetransformation #midlifeawakening #midlifejourney #personalgrowth #selfdiscovery #lifeafter40 #lifeafter50 #purposeinlife #innertransformation #philosophyoflife #poetryandwisdom #dantesinferno #spiritualgrowth #meaningoflife

    1h 3m
  3. 6D AGO

    Letting Go in Midlife: What Has Run Its Course?

    Midlife isn’t about adding more. It’s about letting go. In this Wisdom Wednesday episode of The Midlife Chrysalis, Chip Conley joins Derek Gehl to explore The Great Midlife Edit, the courage to release what has quietly run its course. Drawing from his near-death experience and the sale of his company, Chip shares what it really means to “empty your cup” and create space for what’s next. In this conversation, you’ll learn: Why midlife shifts us from accumulation to editingHow to recognize what’s ready to “graduate” from your lifeThe three stages of transition — endings, the messy middle, and new beginningsA powerful question to help you begin your own edit If something in your life feels heavy, outdated, or complete, this episode is your gentle invitation to let go and begin again. Listen in, reflect, and share it with someone ready for their next chapter. Timestamps: 00:00 Welcome to Wisdom Wednesday 00:18 Heated Rivalry and Mark Carney 03:29 The Great Midlife Edit 07:10 Empty Your Cup Japanese Story 10:15 Transitional Intelligence and Endings 11:46 Surrender and the Serenity Prayer 15:15 Chip’s Major Life Edits 18:45 Gut Check Practice 20:22 Editing Family Relationships 22:29 Question to Begin Your Own Edit 24:10 Ritualizing Letting Go Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/ #MidlifeChrysalis #MidlifeTransition #MidlifeReset #LettingGo #LifeTransitions #SecondAct #PersonalGrowth #Reinvention #EmptyYourCup #TransitionalIntelligence #PurposeInMidlife #LifeAfter50 #EmotionalWellbeing #SabbaticalLife #ChipConley

    22 min
  4. MAR 2

    Greg Louganis: Olympic Gold, Public Masks, Private Truth

    What happens when the world sees a champion… but you’re still figuring out who you are? In this episode of The Midlife Chrysalis, Olympic legend Greg Louganis opens up about the life behind the gold medals and the deeper journey beyond fame. From childhood wounds and public adoration to living with HIV and facing mortality at 28, Greg shares how his identity has evolved over decades. You’ll hear: • How early trauma shaped his drive to perform • Why love, not medals, fueled his career • What midlife taught him about letting go of personas • How meditation, shadow work, and silence helped him heal This is a conversation about reinvention, mortality, and becoming whole, not despite your past, but because of it. If you’re navigating midlife, identity shifts, or personal healing, this episode will speak to you. 👉Press play and enter the chrysalis. Timestamps: 02:50 Welcome to Midlife Chrysalis 03:13 Moving to Panama and new chapter 04:50 First trauma and feeling abandoned 11:20 Performing and early competition 16:01 Olympic journey and first medals 17:14 Fame and public attention 20:40 Coach Ron O’Brien and motivation 24:55 Identity, HIV, and sponsorship struggles 29:28 Living with public persona 33:29 Evolving identity and being content 36:37 Meditation yoga and inner work 42:11 Looking inward for answers 44:39 Life wisdom and 45-year relationship 49:22 Mortality, HIV, and acceptance of death Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/ #GregLouganis #MidlifeChrysalis #OlympicLegend #HIVAwareness #MidlifeTransformation #PersonalGrowthJourney #IdentityShift #HealingJourney #ShadowWork #MeditationPractice #FacingMortality #Reinvention #LGBTQVoices #ResilienceStory #FromFameToFreedom

    51 min
  5. FEB 27

    Midlife and the Moral Pressure of Limited Time | Kieran Setiya

    Midlife can feel unsettling even when life looks successful on paper. This episode explores why that discomfort appears and how it can become a source of clarity rather than crisis.  Our guest is Kieran Setiya, MIT philosophy professor and author of Midlife: A Philosophical Guide. Drawing from philosophy and lived experience, he offers a calm, deeply human way of understanding regret, time, ambition, and meaning in the middle years of life.  In this conversation, you will learn: Why midlife is shaped by the past we cannot undo and a future that feels shorterHow goal chasing can quietly drain meaning from everyday lifeThe difference between living for outcomes and living through meaningful processesWhy regret and existential FOMO are signs of a rich value system, not personal failureHow attention, attachment, and acceptance create a more grounded way to live This episode is thoughtful, reassuring, and deeply practical for anyone questioning direction, purpose, or satisfaction in midlife. Listen now and discover a wiser, steadier way to meet the second half of life.  Timestamps: 02:59 Early interest in philosophy 05:28 Philosophy and physics connection 07:03 Why write about midlife 10:15 What defines midlife 12:46 Pressures, regret, and time poverty 15:27 Telic and atelic activities 20:03 Intrinsic and extrinsic motivation 21:23 Flow and engagement 22:37 Finding atelic activities 25:24 Chronos and Kairos 30:00 Anticipated regret as wisdom 34:48 Choosing a personal philosophy 37:38 Philosophers Kieran admires 40:47 When midlife ends 43:42 Philosophy and young people 48:19 Philosopher as president 51:03 Making philosophy practical 53:26 A life philosophy bumper sticker 57:37 Attachment and responsibility  Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/  #kieransetiya #midlifephilosophy #telicvsatelic #midlifereckoning #existentialregret #meaningoverachievement #philosophyofmidlife #timeandmeaning #midlifereflection #existentialfomo #processovergoals #lifewithoutburnout #modernelderacademy #attentionandmeaning #livingwellmidlife

    1h 2m
  6. FEB 25

    What a Cancer Diagnosis Teaches You About How to Live

    What happens when time stops feeling endless and starts feeling real? In this episode of Wisdom Wednesday, Chip Conley shares how living with cancer reshaped his relationship with time, purpose, and urgency in midlife. Joined by Derek Gehl, Chip reflects on cancer scans, mortality, and why remembering that life is finite can actually deepen meaning, not fear. Together they explore: Why memento mori can bring clarity, not darknessHow midlife urgency is about intention, not panicWhat legacy really means beyond achievement This is a warm, life-affirming conversation about choosing what matters most when you realize tomorrow isn’t guaranteed. 👉 Watch now, and join the conversation by leaving a comment or review. Timestamps: 00:00 Opening and setup 00:42 Episode introduction 01:00 Workshops and unexpected contrasts 03:12 Ricky Williams and walking away from football 04:28 Cancer scans and living with uncertainty 05:20 Death as a daily presence 06:00 Prostate cancer diagnosis and treatment journey 10:43 Hormone therapy and energy loss 13:46 Feeling mortality in the body 14:16 Memento mori and midlife urgency 16:30 Legacy and ripple of impact 18:24 Near death experience story 22:47 Succession planning and leadership wisdom 23:18 Talking about death without fear 26:10 Purpose usefulness and meaning 28:20 Wisdom bumper sticker on mortality 30:04 Gratitude and closing reflections Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/ #MidlifeWisdom #CancerJourney #LivingWithUrgency #MementoMori #MidlifePurpose #FacingMortality #LifeAfterCancer #ModernElder #MeaningfulLife #LegacyAndPurpose #MidlifeReflection #WisdomWednesday #PersonalGrowth #LifePerspective #ChipConley

    28 min
  7. FEB 22

    From Ambition to “I’m Enough” | Brian Chesky

    In this candid and heartfelt conversation, Airbnb co-founder and CEO Brian Chesky joins Chip Conley to explore the hidden side of success. From imposter syndrome to the emotional aftermath of the IPO, Brian shares what midlife has taught him about ambition, belonging, and finally realizing he is enough. In this episode, you’ll hear:• Why success didn’t fix his loneliness• How leadership evolved from control to connection• The wake-up call that followed Airbnb’s $100B milestone• Why midlife is a chance to redefine what truly matters This is a conversation about growth, vulnerability, and choosing relationships over relentless achievement.If you’re navigating success, questioning your next chapter, or redefining what fulfillment means, this one’s for you.Listen in and reflect on what “enough” means in your life. Timestamps:00:00 Reunion and reflecting on 13 years since Airbnb began01:02 How Brian recruited Chip and the early Airbnb vision02:27 Chutzpah and learning from mentors04:00 Discovering hospitality as Airbnb’s true business06:43 Early partnership dynamics and mutual mentorship11:21 Advice to his 26 year old founder self12:20 Imposter syndrome and leadership growth15:42 From creative outsider to Fortune 500 CEO17:26 Childhood, not belonging and ambition22:48 Loneliness after success and the IPO realization27:54 Investing in friendships and rebuilding connection29:00 Founder mode and evolving leadership style37:24 Redefining success in midlife38:17 Hoffman process and realizing he is enough41:35 Fear of intimacy and unfinished business50:03 The Airbnb Open and scaling with soul54:20 Wisdom bumper stickers and life lessons56:04 In you lies unknown potential1:00:48 I am enough and always was Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/

    1h 8m
  8. FEB 20

    Your Brain on Art: Why Midlife Needs Creativity More Than Ever | Susan Magsamen & Ivy Ross

    Midlife isn’t a crisis. It’s an invitation to come alive again. In this episode of Midlife Chrysalis, Chip Conley is joined by Susan Magsamen, a neuroscientist at Johns Hopkins, and Ivy Ross, Chief Design Officer at Google, for a warm, eye-opening conversation about why creativity is essential to being human, especially in midlife. Drawing from their book Your Brain on Art, they share how art, play, and sensory experiences quietly support brain health, emotional balance, and a deeper sense of meaning in a world obsessed with productivity and speed. You’ll hear why: Creativity is hard-wired into our biology, not reserved for “artists”Midlife is a powerful moment to rediscover curiosity, play, and makingSmall creative acts can reduce stress and help us feel more aliveArt may be one of the healthiest counterweights to burnout and AI The second half of life isn’t about doing more, it’s about sensing more, feeling more, and reconnecting with what truly matters. 👉 Watch now and let midlife become a chrysalis, not a cage. Timestamps: 13:35 Guest backgrounds and journeys 18:36 What Your Brain on Art is really about 21:25 Neuroaesthetics and brain science 23:54 Why creativity is essential for health 24:24 How to rebuild creativity in midlife 29:14 Art, neuroplasticity, and medicine 34:32 Creativity inside Google 39:18 Digital literacy, nature, and balance 41:35 Personal midlife transformation stories 45:30 Resilience through illness and change 49:08 Life wisdom and defining moments 55:51 Final reflections and closing Learn more about MEA at ⁠https://www.meawisdom.com/ #MidlifeChrysalis #YourBrainOnArt #CreativityAndAging #MidlifeWellbeing #Neuroaesthetics #BrainHealth #CreativityForAdults #MidlifeGrowth #ArtAndScience #HealthyAging #MentalHealthMidlife #PurposeInMidlife #CreativeLiving #SecondHalfOfLife #MidlifeInspiration

    51 min
5
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51 Ratings

About

The Midlife Chrysalis is a one-hour podcast hosted by Chip Conley, bestselling author of Learning to Love Midlife and founder of MEA (Modern Elder Academy). Chip and his high-profile guests – including Maria Shriver, Hoda Kotb, Elizabeth Gilbert, Michael Franti, and more – dive into raw, vulnerable conversations about the profound transitions they’ve experienced in midlife. Listeners get a rare look at how even the most successful individuals have to navigate life’s pivotal changes – and gain practical wisdom they can apply in their own lives for a more fulfilling and purposeful next chapter.

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