Change Order Podcast

Primary Venture Partners

Hosted by Jason Shuman of Primary Venture Partners, Change Order explores the turning points that define today’s leading operators and investors. Guests like Ryan Serhant, Codie Sanchez, Michael Rudin, and James O’Shaughnessy share the key inflections that shaped who they are — and how they think.

  1. This AI company only has a 2% acceptance rate | Dan Mishin

    Jun 5

    This AI company only has a 2% acceptance rate | Dan Mishin

    Dan Mishin is the Founder and CEO of Manifest OS, an AI-native legal infrastructure platform helping lawyers double their income by eliminating non-legal work. Before Manifest, he founded June Homes and learned hard lessons about business fundamentals. Dan and Jason discuss why lawyers spend two-thirds of their time doing non-legal work, and how Manifest uses AI to handle everything from business development to case prioritization. They also cover the psychology of restarting after failure, why hustling doesn't matter if your fundamentals are wrong, and how having no options can be liberating. Find more like this on Change Order. Dan Mishin is the Founder and CEO of Manifest OS, an AI-native legal infrastructure platform helping lawyers double their income by eliminating non-legal work. Before Manifest, he founded June Homes and learned hard lessons about business fundamentals. Dan and Jason discuss why lawyers spend two-thirds of their time doing non-legal work, and how Manifest uses AI to handle everything from business development to case prioritization. They also cover the psychology of restarting after failure, why hustling doesn't matter if your fundamentals are wrong, and how having no options can be liberating. Find more like this on Change Order. Connect with us here: Dan Mishin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielmishin/ Jason Shuman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/ 00:00 Introduction 02:30 From Crimea to Berlin: The Origin of a Business Idea 09:45 Building a Hostel Empire Across 13 Countries 21:30 Exiting a Business and the Decision to Start Over 29:00 Arriving in America: The First Call That Changed Everything 38:00 Why He Refused to Build Another Legal Software Company 47:30 Inside Manifest OS: Reimagining How Legal Work Gets Done 57:00 Global Expansion and the Future of Legal Services

    1h 4m
  2. Who Actually Wins When Everyone Has AI | Dan Shipper

    Jan 9

    Who Actually Wins When Everyone Has AI | Dan Shipper

    AI is changing what it means to be good at your job. Dan Shipper, co-founder and CEO of Every, shares how he went from productivity writer to leading an AI-native company running six apps with a lean team, without being a full-time engineer. In this episode with Jason Shuman, Dan gets into: - how shipping work now looks more like directing - systems than writing code - why managing AI feels like running a company - how compound systems prevent the same mistakes from happening again - why allocation is becoming the most important skill heading into 2026 This episode offers a clear look at how founders and operators are adapting as AI reshapes how work gets done. Connect with us here: Dan Shipper: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danshipper/ Jason Shuman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/ Every Inc: https://www.linkedin.com/company/everyinc/ Change Order: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/

    1h 17m
  3. This AI Startup Is Changing How Call Centers Work Forever

    12/05/2025

    This AI Startup Is Changing How Call Centers Work Forever

    When’s the last time you had a good customer experience? Alex Levin, Co-founder and CEO of Regal AI, is building AI Phone Agents that handle millions of customer calls for a small fraction of the cost, and drive higher customer satisfaction.  In this episode with Jason Shuman, Levin gets into: • why companies moved away from phone calls despite customer demand. • how legacy vendors decided voice wasn’t worth improving. • why AI voice is now cheaper and more consistent than humans. • what slows big companies from adopting voice AI. • how AI handles the tier-1 work while humans focus on harder problems. Connect with us here: 1. Alex Levin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexlevin1 2. Jason Shuman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/ 3. Change Order: https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/ 4. Primary Venture Partners: https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

    1h 28m
  4. Inside How Crosby Is Automating the $1 Trillion Legal Industry | Ryan Daniels of Crosby

    11/21/2025

    Inside How Crosby Is Automating the $1 Trillion Legal Industry | Ryan Daniels of Crosby

    What if the future of law isn’t about replacing lawyers, but supercharging them? Ryan Daniels, Co-founder and CEO of Crosby, is building the world’s first AI-powered law firm that blends human judgment with machine speed to handle contracts in hours, not days. In this episode with Jason Shuman, he discusses: • why the $1T legal industry is finally ready for automation. • how Crosby became an AI-first law firm that works through Slack. • what he learned from India’s legal outsourcing boom. • why speed is the real edge in legal tech. • how AI and human lawyers now work side by side. Connect with us here: 1. Ryan Daniels- https://www.linkedin.com/in/crosbyryan/ 2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/ 3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/ 4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

    1h 7m
  5. The Newsletter Everyone in Tech Reads | The Generalist & Mario Gabriele

    11/14/2025

    The Newsletter Everyone in Tech Reads | The Generalist & Mario Gabriele

    The pace of innovation has never been faster or harder to follow. Mario Gabriele, founder of The Generalist, a newsletter and community helping over 150K readers make sense of what matters in tech, AI, and venture, joins Jason Shuman to share how deep research and storytelling help him decode the forces shaping what’s next. They get into: • the mental models behind The Generalist’s most-read stories • why 95% of early stage investing comes down to the founder • how writing builds sharper intuition than data ever could Connect with us here: 1. Mario Gabriele- https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariogabriele/ 2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/ 3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/ 4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/ 00:00 Trailer 01:06 The Generalist: From Concept to Execution 04:12 Writing Process and Research Techniques 13:04 Navigating the Media Landscape and Investment Insights 35:51 Challenges in Seed Stage Investing 36:47 Evaluating Founders: Insights from Hummingbird 45:11 Market Dynamics and AI Bubble 59:00 Lessons from the Generalist's Journey

    1h 6m
  6. The Robotics Startup Governments Can’t Ignore | Rahul Sidhu on Aerodome

    11/07/2025

    The Robotics Startup Governments Can’t Ignore | Rahul Sidhu on Aerodome

    With emergency response times under three minutes, the future of public safety is airborne. Rahul Sidhu, co-founder and CEO of Aerodome, joins Jason Shuman on Change Order to share how he and his team are deploying drones as ‘first responders’, combining automation and aviation to transform how cities handle critical events. Together, they explore: • how a pandemic-induced staffing crisis gave rise to a new model of air support • why policing is entering its “guy in the chair” era • what DJI taught the world about market capture and policy Connect with us here: 1. Rahul Sidhu- https://www.linkedin.com/in/rahulsidhu/ 2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/ 3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/ 4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

    1h 10m
  7. Why AI’s Biggest Win Might Be in Schools | Adeel Khan on MagicSchool

    10/31/2025

    Why AI’s Biggest Win Might Be in Schools | Adeel Khan on MagicSchool

    What if AI’s most transformative impact starts where we least expect it, in a classroom? Adeel Khan, former principal and CEO of MagicSchool, turned this insight into an AI platform helping over 6 million educators reduce burnout and elevate teaching. On Change Order, with Jason Shuman, he shares: • the role of teachers in guiding AI to personalize learning for each student. • how MagicSchool became one of the few AI tools approved by multiple districts. • the importance of trust when scaling AI in sensitive environments like schools. • how MagicSchool addresses the unique workload of special education teachers. Connect with us here: 1. Adeel Khan- https://www.linkedin.com/in/adeelkh/ 2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/ 3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/ 4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

    1h 18m
  8. The $42M Startup Making Government Spend Public | Justin Wenig, Starbridge

    10/22/2025

    The $42M Startup Making Government Spend Public | Justin Wenig, Starbridge

    What if government spending was as searchable as the web? Justin Wenig, founder & CEO of Starbridge, joins Jason to unpack how his team uses AI and FOIA at scale to make public spending transparent and actionable for both vendors and agencies. In this episode of Change Order, they get into: • how FOIA becomes a go-to-market superpower (and how to operationalize it) • building the largest purchase/contract graph in gov • why “use it or lose it” budgets entrench waste • the sales headcount trap in vertical SaaS • fundraising without “ninja tricks” Connect with us here: 1. Justin Starbridge- https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinwenig 2. Jason Shuman- https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonshuman/  3. Change Order- https://www.linkedin.com/company/change-order/  4. Primary Venture Partners- https://www.linkedin.com/company/primary-venture-partners/

    1h 13m
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Hosted by Jason Shuman of Primary Venture Partners, Change Order explores the turning points that define today’s leading operators and investors. Guests like Ryan Serhant, Codie Sanchez, Michael Rudin, and James O’Shaughnessy share the key inflections that shaped who they are — and how they think.

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  • Creator
    Primary Venture Partners
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    23
  • Rating
    Explicit
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    © Primary Venture Partners
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    Change Order Podcast