The HR Life Podcast

Tony Benjamin
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The HR Life Podcast is a show about the work-life experience of those of us in Human Resources and business leadership. This long-form podcast is a conversation, casual, and not always the corporate line. Hosts and guests touch on everything from serious or even controversial topics to the absurdity of modern American business practices. Your hosts are Tony Benjamin, owner and founder of The Grange Strategic HR Consulting, and Steven J. Smith, Author of The Hiring Tree: Laws of Applicant Attraction and all-around important guy. Guests include the best minds in the HR world. Join the show weekly.

  1. 2d ago

    EP 55 Disrupting Benefit Management with Rhonda Nerenberg and Jacob Davis

    The guys sit down with Rhonda and Jacob from Weltrio and talk maximizing effective use of benefits.  Rhonda and Jacob give the history of Weltrio and how they are helping companies manage their plans.  What would happen if you didn't have a group open enrollment meeting this year and instead sat down and had a personal conversation with every employee?  Why are HR people so afraid of change or rocking the boat?  The discussion also turns to the recent DisruptHR event in Salt Lake City and reviews that said only vendors and consultants were in attendance.  Learn more about the team at Weltrio at: https://www.weltrio.com/Find the Behind the Premium podcast at: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3UMiw6juj5ZWZcuA9gm7eQLearn more about Fantastic Tony Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/Learn more about Steven "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/Learn more about the Books mentioned on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcastLearn more about Dyno Outfitters at: https://www.utahviaferrata.com/Learn more about MegastarHR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/Learn more about Pucks for Autism at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/ Tony's "Robot Voice" courtesy of The Internet.

    1h 22m

  2. Jun 23

    EP 54 HR's Opportunity to Drive the AI Bus with Ryan Kohler and Fragments of Tony's Skull

    Ryan Kohler, founder of Applicant Pro, joins the guys and blows Tony's mind in the first minute of the podcast.  As Tony picks up pieces of his skull, Ryan unfolds the nature of AI, what it is really capable of, and the opportunity HR has to drive the AI bus in American business.  In this episode you'll learn the real impact AI will have on your company, what job searches will look like in the future, the future of purchasing software, and what the dramatic reduction in intelligence costs means for your future.  The Hosts of this podcast are not responsible for any minds of listeners that short-circuit or get blown after listening to its content.  Listeners are encouraged to consume in moderation.  Learn more about Ryan Kohler at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ai4teams/Get Ryan Kohler's book at: https://www.amazon.com/Bus-Has-Driver-Authority-Organization/dp/1968164340/ref=sr_1_1?crid=10DQ2SZWEJW0Y&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.HBMjj0_WMtAuITo6NoZubnbSY4PBM_MMAF4FIEieekc.LmaNxcI9u35RwsVMYvL9idcFPkA_bIweMG-ih76EMHI&dib_tag=se&keywords=ryan+kohler+bus&qid=1782224946&sprefix=ryan+kohler+bus%2Caps%2C213&sr=8-1 Learn more about Fantastic Tony Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/Learn more about Steven "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/Learn more about the Books mentioned on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcastLearn more about Dyno Outfitters at: https://www.utahviaferrata.com/Learn more about MegastarHR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/Learn more about Pucks for Autism at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/

    1h 14m

  3. Jun 16

    EP 53 Joe Tate Music, Japan, and the Power of Presentations

    Joe Tate got into HR because his handwriting was better than the other guy's. He left one of his biggest roles because he refused to let his HRIS manager take the fall for a company-wide data breach. And somewhere in between, he built Boost HR, mentored hundreds of professionals through his six-week HR essentials course, and took a ski trip to Japan that ended up reshaping the way he thinks about people, culture, and the kind of workplace we all say we want but rarely build. Tony, Steve, and Joe cover a lot of territory in this one: why getting HR a seat at the table with the CFO is still a fight worth having, what promotion from within actually looks like when you celebrate it the way it deserves to be celebrated, and why live training is making a comeback that should have you rethinking your next all-hands. What can a heated bidet seat at 2 a.m. teach you about the employee experience? Listen and find out!    Learn more about Joe Tate at: https://boostrecruits.com/ and https://www.linkedin.com/in/joe-tate-a92b02/Learn more about Fantastic Tony Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/Learn more about Steven "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/Learn more about the Books mentioned on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcastLearn more about Dyno Outfitters at: https://www.utahviaferrata.com/Learn more about MegastarHR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/Learn more about Pucks for Autism at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/ Voice audio distortion courtesy of The Internet.   Joe Tate is a regionally renowned speaker, trainer, and source for HR compliance information.  After serving more than 1,000 clients with his company, Boost HR, he knows what he's talking about.

    1h 17m

  4. Jun 9

    EP 52 Turns Out Smiling Is Free: Aric Bostick on Attachment Theory and Why Your Face Is an HR Problem

    Tony and Steve welcome Aric Bostick, keynote speaker, former classroom teacher, professional crowd-energizer, and the man Steve publicly credits for telling him to get on a stage when he was just some guy with a book idea and a lot of enthusiasm. Aric brings the science of attachment theory out of the therapy room and drops it straight into your org chart.  You'll learn why people leave companies that pay more to work somewhere they feel seen. Why your resting face is already sending a message to your team (it's probably not the one you want). Why "soft skills" is the wrong name for the hardest thing most managers will never learn. For the record, Tony has never made a mistake. Learn more about Fantastic Tony Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/Learn more about Steven "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/Learn more about the Books mentioned on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcastLearn more about Dyno Outfitters at: https://www.utahviaferrata.com/Learn more about MegastarHR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/Learn more about Pucks for Autism at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/

    1h 22m

  5. Jun 2

    EP 51 Fueling HR with the NY Times at Central Utah SHRM

    Steve and Tony attended the Fuel HR conference on May 14, 2026.  They talked the EEOC's case against the NY Times, diversity, and interviewed several attendees. The most pertinent piece of advice they got from the conference is "If you're going to discriminate, don't advertise and document it."   Note: There were two interviews that were lost due to computer and sound issues.   We apologize to those two people and will get them back on the show soon.   On a more positive note, Steve and Tony introduced a lot of people to LimeRickys.

    1h 11m

  6. May 26

    EP 50 The Empty Bolt Seat: The CEO Who Thinks He Doesn't Need HR, Grogu, and Reddit

    A CEO returns to his struggling startup, looks around at the wreckage, and decides the HR team is the problem. He fires them. All of them. Then tells the world about it at a conference. Tony and Steve have opinions. Surprising, nuanced, occasionally loud opinions, and they're not entirely on the side you'd expect.  In between the Star Wars tangents and Tony's deep philosophical feelings about performance improvement plans, the guys also tackle AI: what most HR professionals are doing wrong, why Reddit is a terrifying foundation for legal advice, and how to actually use these tools without accidentally torching your credibility. Fifty episodes in, and the chaos has never been more educational. Learn more about Fantastic Tony Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/Learn more about Steven “Big Deal” Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/Learn more about the books mentioned on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcast Learn more about our New sponsor at: https://www.utahviaferrata.com/Learn more about our sponsor MegastarHR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/Lean more about Jobs for America's Graduates (JAG) at: https://jag.org/Learn more about Pucks for Autism at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/Learn more about the Thrive Life Project: https://www.thrivelifeproject.org/The newest book mentioned on the podcast: The Bus Has No Driver: https://rb.gy/rqocj5

    1h 24m

  7. May 19

    EP 49 - HEED This: Reading Body Language, Running Investigations, and What Counterintelligence Teaches HR with Derik Clark

    Tony and Steve welcome Derik Clark — Army counterintelligence veteran, body language expert, and apparently a crowd favorite on par with Steve (high praise). Derik breaks down his HEED framework for reading nonverbal cues in HR investigations and job interviews, and why the thing you think you're seeing (lying) is almost never the thing you're actually seeing (discomfort). He also shares the true story of an Iraqi weapons smuggler who had perfect body language… until someone asked him where he was getting his money. Tony connects the dots to workplace investigations, written warnings, and why 80% of every workplace conflict story is actually the same from both sides. Steve didn't know Rocky Raccoon was a song, which tells you everything you need to know. Learn more about Derik Clark at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/derikclark/Learn more about Fantastic Tony Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/Learn more about Steven "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/Learn more about the Books mentioned on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcastLearn more about MegastarHR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/Learn more about Pucks for Autism at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/ Derik Clark is a veteran counterintelligence officer who served in the US Army and now works as an HR business partner and consultant.  He's an expert interrogator that specializes in how to read people and the room.  Derik's HEED Framework: HideEscapeEaseDefend(How people react when they feel uncomfortable.)

    1h 19m

  8. May 12

    EP 48 May the Fourth, Socks, and Why Performance Reviews Are Stuck in 1955 with Albert Foster

    Tony and Steve kick off the show in full Star Wars mode — it's May the Fourth, Steve spent $19.77 on themed donuts from Lehi Bakery, and the great AT-AT pronunciation debate is finally settled (hint: Steve is wrong). The real guest of honor is Albert Foster, founder of Express Evaluations. The episode digs deep into one of HR's most stubbornly unsolved problems: why performance evaluations, invented in the 1950's, still look almost exactly the same today.  Albert lays out a compelling case for why most companies are doing evaluations wrong. From the one-size-fits-all form that means nothing to the employee who fills it out, to the trap of asking "how can you improve?"  Finally, how does Steve use Vader's origin story to tie everything together at the end? Tune in to find out! Listen for Opportunity knocking in this episode. Learn more about Express Evaluations at: https://www.expressevaluations.com/Learn more about Fantastic Tony Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/Learn more about Steven “Big Deal” Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/Learn more about the books mentioned on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcastLearn more about our sponsor MegastarHR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/Lean more about Jobs for America's Graduates (JAG) at: https://jag.org/Learn more about Pucks for Autism at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/Learn more about the Thrive Life Project: https://www.thrivelifeproject.org/ Albert Foster (MHR, SPHR) is an HR professional and the Founder and CEO of Express Evaluations. His passion in HR is to help employees find joy in their employment and to help employers retain their hard-earned talent. Albert earned a master’s in human resources in 2012 from Utah State and has been in the HR world for the past 15 years as both an HR consultant and an HR director. While working as the HR director of a special service district with about 500 employees he was tasked with finding a new performance management system. After several months of searching it became clear that a product didn’t exist in the current market that encompassed both the flexibility and affordability for his company, so he decided to create his own.   Albert considers himself to be an avid mountain biker, marginal golfer, and recently converted ice bather.

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The HR Life Podcast is a show about the work-life experience of those of us in Human Resources and business leadership. This long-form podcast is a conversation, casual, and not always the corporate line. Hosts and guests touch on everything from serious or even controversial topics to the absurdity of modern American business practices. Your hosts are Tony Benjamin, owner and founder of The Grange Strategic HR Consulting, and Steven J. Smith, Author of The Hiring Tree: Laws of Applicant Attraction and all-around important guy. Guests include the best minds in the HR world. Join the show weekly.

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  • Creator
    Tony Benjamin
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    57
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2025 The Grange LLC
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    The HR Life Podcast

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