Bula COP31!

Heidi Dumesich and Jack Whelan

Bula COP31 is a podcast for anyone wanting to understand what it means for Australia and the Türkiye to co-host COP31 in 2026, and why this moment is influential in the UNFCCC process. Australia will be putting the Pacific Islands at the forefront of the climate negotiations to ensure adaptation and infrastructure investments flow to the region. Your hosts are Heidi Dumesich and Jack Whelan. Jack is a proud boomer who started his sustainability career long before it was considered ‘cool’. His experience spans the earliest COPs and reaches across business, industry, government, development agencies, NGOs, and the UN. He’s worked with the International Chamber of Commerce and the World Business Council on Sustainable Development; and across Asia-Pacific with the Pacific Region Infrastructure Facility, Asian Development Bank, and World Bank. Jack was nominated by Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to the design team that established the IRIS initiative, supporting climate- and disaster-resilient infrastructure in Small Island Developing States — work that sits at the heart of Pacific climate priorities. Heidi Dumesich is a millennial environmental scientist focused on implementing practical solutions. She’s the seasoned podcaster behind Life on Planet A, and currently a Sustainability Manager at Ventia, leading an Infrastructure Sustainability Council rating for a major road project. Heidi brings a fresh, grounded perspective on climate action and how sustainability plays out across communities and sectors. Bula COP31 explores what really happens behind the scenes of a COP — with a special focus on how Pacific leadership, values, and voices shape the global climate agenda. Through candid conversations with stakeholders across Pacific governments, Australian agencies, industry, civil society, youth, and community groups, we unpack how climate diplomacy in our region is driven by relationships, resilience, and shared responsibility. Whether you're a policymaker, business leader, activist, Pacific climate champion, or simply COP-curious, this podcast is your guide to getting the most out of COP31 — and understanding how it can deliver for the Blue Pacific Continent. Tune in, get engaged, and say Bula COP31!

  1. 2D AGO

    Episode 'O' Oceania: The Future of COP with Fossil Versus Future

    This episode is part two of our collaboration with Fossil vs Future—we recommend listening to part one first. As the world looks ahead to COP31 this November, hosted by Türkiye with Australia leading the negotiations, this episode brings together voices from across continents and generations. Jack and Heidi are joined by James Cameron and Daisy Nicholls (hosts of Fossil Versus Future) for a timely conversation on what we hope—and need—to see from this year’s conference. Together, we unpack the key questions shaping COP31: What will make it onto the Action Agenda? Why is the Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty Initiative gaining momentum? And if we could write it ourselves, what should the COP31 closing speech actually say? Along the way, we explore the geopolitical and economic context underpinning the negotiations—from shifting energy systems to the role of emerging climate alliances—and reflect on what meaningful progress could look like in a critical decade for climate action. Further listening & resources: United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change – Learn more about the Paris Agreement and Article 6International Energy Agency – Data and analysis on global energy trendsInternational Institute for Sustainable Development – Follow negotiations through the Earth Negotiations BulletinThanks for listening—and be sure to follow Bula COP31 to stay part of the conversation. Follow us on our socials for more content: Instagram  & LinkedIn

    52 min
  2. APR 1

    Episode 'N' for Nauru: COP31 with Fossil Versus Future

    Episode intro / context: COP31 will be held in Antalya, Türkiye, from 9 to 20 November 2026 — but the Pacific is at the centre of it all. While Türkiye handles the logistics and operations of the conference, Australia will lead the negotiations. And crucially, the Pre-COP will be hosted right here in Fiji, supported by the Government of Australia. For us at Bula COP31, this is exactly what we've been advocating for: an unprecedented opportunity to bring the world to the Pacific, to witness climate impacts and solutions firsthand. Episode description: In this collaborative, cross-continental episode, we're joined by James and Daisy — hosts of Fossil Versus Future— for an intergenerational conversation about the COP process. Jack and Heidi sit down with James, who takes the hot seat to share what he's witnessed on the ground at previous COPs. How can the COP presidency shape outcomes? How does geopolitics drive climate diplomacy? And is it time for the process itself to be reformed? Recommendations:  Want to go deeper on the co-hosting arrangement between Australia and Türkiye? That's exactly what we unpack on Bula COP31 — give us a listen.Advocates & Resources: Türkiye holds the formal COP31 Presidency, managing all operational and logistical requirements, with the conference and World Leaders Summit physically taking place in Antalya. But Australia's Minister for Climate Change and Energy, Chris Bowen, will serve as President of Negotiations — a role with exclusive authority over the agenda, draft texts, and appointment of co-facilitators. This creative arrangement was designed to break a diplomatic deadlock that would otherwise have sent the conference to Bonn, Germany, and left the world without focused negotiation leadership for a year.An intergovernmental organisation giving voice to small island nations on the issues that threaten their very existence.BINGO (Business and Industry Non-Governmental Organizations) — the formal constituency representing business and industry observers within the UNFCCC process.Originally founded in 1971 as the South Pacific Forum, the Pacific Islands Forum is an 18-member intergovernmental body that unites the region to tackle its most pressing challenges — including the climate crisis.The Carbon War by Jeremy Leggett — A firsthand account of the climate negotiations and the relentless efforts of fossil fuel interests — the so-called "carbon club" — to derail them. Essential reading for anyone wanting to understand the politics behind the process.The precautionary principle: the idea that when harm is plausible, we act — even before the science is complete. A principle the Pacific has long called on the world to apply.(2017) — Just weeks before hosting COP23, Fiji made history by issuing a sovereign green bond, raising FJD 100m (USD 50m) to fund climate mitigation and adaptation. Pacific leadership in action.(2018) — Talanoa is a Pacific tradition: inclusive, participatory, transparent dialogue. When Fiji held the COP23 Presidency, it brought Talanoa to the world stage — launching the Talanoa Dialogue to invite everyone into the conversation about climate solutions. That spirit lives on in everything we do at Bula COP31. Follow us on our socials for more content: Instagram  & LinkedIn

    40 min
  3. FEB 6

    Episode 'K' for Kenta: Youth Voices from the Pacific

    In this episode, Bula COP31 has a special guest all the way from Vanuatu, Kenta Sayama, the Climate and Environment specialist in UNICEF Vanuatu. Kenta shares his inspiring personal journey from Japan to the Pacific, revealing how international experiences in Brazil, the UK, and Japan have shaped his innovative approach to climate advocacy. He dives into the unique challenges small island nations face — from rising sea levels and saltwater intrusion to the cultural and mental health impacts of climate change — and explains how new financial mechanisms like the Loss and Damage Fund and Green Climate Fund are opening doors for vulnerable countries. You'll learn about real projects like Vanuatu’s Coastal Adaptation Project (VCAP) and the Pacific Resilience Facility, which are helping communities build real resilience against climate impacts. We break down the most effective strategies for youth engagement, from grassroots networks like Vanuatu Climate Action Network (VCAN) and Pacific Islands Climate Action Network (PICAN) to navigating the daunting logistics of remote island participation. Kenta emphasizes the importance of cultural understanding, contextual solutions, and ensuring youth voices lead climate negotiations, not just attend as token figures. He highlights the historic influence of Vanuatu's Pacific youth in global judicial actions like the International Court of Justice (ICJ)  advisory opinion on climate justice — a groundbreaking moment in international law that affirms our collective responsibility to act. Why does this matter? Because the future of climate resilience hinges on local-level action, global solidarity, and inclusive leadership. Missing out on this vital insight risks perpetuating a cycle where small island voices are drowned out, and effective climate solutions remain out of reach. This episode is an essential listen for policymakers, activists, young leaders, and anyone invested in climate justice — because real change starts by amplifying the voices that are most at risk. Prepare to be inspired, informed, and motivated to make a difference. Whether you’re a Pacific youth seeking guidance, a global citizen passionate about climate justice, or a supporter of empowering local action, this conversation reveals the bold steps needed to turn hope into tangible impact.  Tune in now — your role in shaping a resilient Pacific starts here. Links and resources: Get involved with PICAN and VCANUNICEF - Australia Pacific Youth Climate Dialogue Background information on the International Court of Justice (ICJ)  advisory opinion on climate justice Vanuatu Coastal Adaptation Project (VCAP)Follow us on our socials for more content: Instagram  & LinkedIn

    34 min
  4. 11/19/2025

    Episode ‘I’ for Ipswich: COP31 on the brink with Mara Bún

    In this episode ‘I’ for Ipswich, on G’day COP31! (or will it be renamed ‘I’ for Istanbul?) we are joined by Mara Bún from the Australia-Brazil Chamber of Commerce, refreshed after a rest day at the start of the second week of COP30 in Belém, Brazil. Among all the important issues being addressed is the BIG question that hangs in the balance - the choice of Türkiye or Australia as the host country for COP31 in 2026? Mara Bún navigates us through the labyrinth in the COP, sharing her insights and personal encounters from the heart of the Blue (Bluey?) and Green Zones in crowded, hot, steamy Belém. Mara helped to set up an extraordinary impromptu press conference, right at the nexus between the Turkish and Australian pavilions, when representatives of Australian First Nations, businesses, civil society, youth and investors expressed their support for the Adelaide COP31 bid. With a steady hand holding the camera, Mara posted on Linked In “Cometh the hour, cometh the people” - which resulted in the story being covered in the Australian Financial Review, Bloomberg, Carbon Pulse, CNBC Brazil, Politico, AP and Reneweconomy - https://lnkd.in/gSc8HvBU Richie Merzian, head of the Clean Energy Investor Group – moderated the line up of speakers from Australia, including Professor Anne Poelina, Larissa Baldwin-Roberts, Tennant Reed and we include some edited highlights – so listen to the end of the episode! You can listen to the full press conference here.   Thanks Mara for the chat on Episode ‘I’ for Ipswich – from Belém on G’day COP31! Chapters 00:00 Introduction 04:40 COP31 update 14:04 Inside COP30 19:48 Unilateral trade measures debate 25:24 Press conference about COP31 Follow us on our socials for more content: Instagram  & LinkedIn

    32 min
  5. 11/07/2025

    Episode 'H' for Hobart: Tegan Clark Empowering Youth at COP

    In this episode, we chat with Tegan Clark, a PhD candidate at ANU and research assistant at the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership, about her journey from growing up in Cairns to becoming a leading youth voice in climate action. Tegan shares how her connection with nature shaped her decision to get involved in climate activism. She talks about her experience at COP29 with Plan International Australia’s Youth Activist Series, the importance of interdisciplinary science, and her work advocating for stronger youth engagement in global climate negotiations. We also discuss Tegan’s submission to Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water (DCCEEW), the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) for COP31, which focuses on breaking down barriers to youth participation, and the role of initiatives like the Australian Pacific Youth Climate Dialogue in empowering young climate leaders. Tune in to hear Tegan’s vision for a COP where young people’s voices are not just present — they’re truly heard and valued. Links: The Australia Pacific Youth Climate Dialogue COP31: A COP for Children and Young People Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Tegan Clark 03:39 Journey to Climate Activism 07:27 Experiences at COP29 11:17 Fossil fuel companies at COPs 13:04 Submission for COP31: A COP for Children and Young People 16:16 Australian Pacific Youth Climate Dialogue 19:10 Learning from Pacific Youth and First Nations Perspectives 20:19 Training Programs for Youth Engagement 23:15 Confidence for Youth at COPs 25:30 Overcoming Challenges in Diverse Backgrounds Follow us on our socials for more content: Instagram  & LinkedIn

    25 min

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Bula COP31 is a podcast for anyone wanting to understand what it means for Australia and the Türkiye to co-host COP31 in 2026, and why this moment is influential in the UNFCCC process. Australia will be putting the Pacific Islands at the forefront of the climate negotiations to ensure adaptation and infrastructure investments flow to the region. Your hosts are Heidi Dumesich and Jack Whelan. Jack is a proud boomer who started his sustainability career long before it was considered ‘cool’. His experience spans the earliest COPs and reaches across business, industry, government, development agencies, NGOs, and the UN. He’s worked with the International Chamber of Commerce and the World Business Council on Sustainable Development; and across Asia-Pacific with the Pacific Region Infrastructure Facility, Asian Development Bank, and World Bank. Jack was nominated by Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to the design team that established the IRIS initiative, supporting climate- and disaster-resilient infrastructure in Small Island Developing States — work that sits at the heart of Pacific climate priorities. Heidi Dumesich is a millennial environmental scientist focused on implementing practical solutions. She’s the seasoned podcaster behind Life on Planet A, and currently a Sustainability Manager at Ventia, leading an Infrastructure Sustainability Council rating for a major road project. Heidi brings a fresh, grounded perspective on climate action and how sustainability plays out across communities and sectors. Bula COP31 explores what really happens behind the scenes of a COP — with a special focus on how Pacific leadership, values, and voices shape the global climate agenda. Through candid conversations with stakeholders across Pacific governments, Australian agencies, industry, civil society, youth, and community groups, we unpack how climate diplomacy in our region is driven by relationships, resilience, and shared responsibility. Whether you're a policymaker, business leader, activist, Pacific climate champion, or simply COP-curious, this podcast is your guide to getting the most out of COP31 — and understanding how it can deliver for the Blue Pacific Continent. Tune in, get engaged, and say Bula COP31!