Bula COP31!

Heidi Dumesich and Jack Whelan

Bula COP31 is a podcast for anyone wanting to understand what it means for Australia and the Türkiye to co-host COP31 in 2026, and why this moment is influential in the UNFCCC process. Australia will be putting the Pacific Islands at the forefront of the climate negotiations to ensure adaptation and infrastructure investments flow to the region. Your hosts are Heidi Dumesich and Jack Whelan. Jack is a proud boomer who started his sustainability career long before it was considered ‘cool’. His experience spans the earliest COPs and reaches across business, industry, government, development agencies, NGOs, and the UN. He’s worked with the International Chamber of Commerce and the World Business Council on Sustainable Development; and across Asia-Pacific with the Pacific Region Infrastructure Facility, Asian Development Bank, and World Bank. Jack was nominated by Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to the design team that established the IRIS initiative, supporting climate- and disaster-resilient infrastructure in Small Island Developing States — work that sits at the heart of Pacific climate priorities. Heidi Dumesich is a millennial environmental scientist focused on implementing practical solutions. She’s the seasoned podcaster behind Life on Planet A, and currently a Sustainability Manager at Ventia, leading an Infrastructure Sustainability Council rating for a major road project. Heidi brings a fresh, grounded perspective on climate action and how sustainability plays out across communities and sectors. Bula COP31 explores what really happens behind the scenes of a COP — with a special focus on how Pacific leadership, values, and voices shape the global climate agenda. Through candid conversations with stakeholders across Pacific governments, Australian agencies, industry, civil society, youth, and community groups, we unpack how climate diplomacy in our region is driven by relationships, resilience, and shared responsibility. Whether you're a policymaker, business leader, activist, Pacific climate champion, or simply COP-curious, this podcast is your guide to getting the most out of COP31 — and understanding how it can deliver for the Blue Pacific Continent. Tune in, get engaged, and say Bula COP31!

Episodes

  1. 11/19/2025

    Episode ‘I’ for Ipswich: COP31 on the brink with Mara Bún

    In this episode ‘I’ for Ipswich, on G’day COP31! (or will it be renamed ‘I’ for Istanbul?) we are joined by Mara Bún from the Australia-Brazil Chamber of Commerce, refreshed after a rest day at the start of the second week of COP30 in Belém, Brazil. Among all the important issues being addressed is the BIG question that hangs in the balance - the choice of Türkiye or Australia as the host country for COP31 in 2026? Mara Bún navigates us through the labyrinth in the COP, sharing her insights and personal encounters from the heart of the Blue (Bluey?) and Green Zones in crowded, hot, steamy Belém. Mara helped to set up an extraordinary impromptu press conference, right at the nexus between the Turkish and Australian pavilions, when representatives of Australian First Nations, businesses, civil society, youth and investors expressed their support for the Adelaide COP31 bid. With a steady hand holding the camera, Mara posted on Linked In “Cometh the hour, cometh the people” - which resulted in the story being covered in the Australian Financial Review, Bloomberg, Carbon Pulse, CNBC Brazil, Politico, AP and Reneweconomy - https://lnkd.in/gSc8HvBU Richie Merzian, head of the Clean Energy Investor Group – moderated the line up of speakers from Australia, including Professor Anne Poelina, Larissa Baldwin-Roberts, Tennant Reed and we include some edited highlights – so listen to the end of the episode! You can listen to the full press conference here.   Thanks Mara for the chat on Episode ‘I’ for Ipswich – from Belém on G’day COP31! Chapters 00:00 Introduction 04:40 COP31 update 14:04 Inside COP30 19:48 Unilateral trade measures debate 25:24 Press conference about COP31 https://www.instagram.com/bula_cop31/

    32 min
  2. 11/07/2025

    Episode 'H' for Hobart: Tegan Clark Empowering Youth at COP

    In this episode, we chat with Tegan Clark, a PhD candidate at ANU and research assistant at the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership, about her journey from growing up in Cairns to becoming a leading youth voice in climate action. Tegan shares how her connection with nature shaped her decision to get involved in climate activism. She talks about her experience at COP29 with Plan International Australia’s Youth Activist Series, the importance of interdisciplinary science, and her work advocating for stronger youth engagement in global climate negotiations. We also discuss Tegan’s submission to Department of Climate Change, Energy, the Environment and Water (DCCEEW), the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) for COP31, which focuses on breaking down barriers to youth participation, and the role of initiatives like the Australian Pacific Youth Climate Dialogue in empowering young climate leaders. Tune in to hear Tegan’s vision for a COP where young people’s voices are not just present — they’re truly heard and valued. Links: The Australia Pacific Youth Climate Dialogue COP31: A COP for Children and Young People Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Tegan Clark 03:39 Journey to Climate Activism 07:27 Experiences at COP29 11:17 Fossil fuel companies at COPs 13:04 Submission for COP31: A COP for Children and Young People 16:16 Australian Pacific Youth Climate Dialogue 19:10 Learning from Pacific Youth and First Nations Perspectives 20:19 Training Programs for Youth Engagement 23:15 Confidence for Youth at COPs 25:30 Overcoming Challenges in Diverse Backgrounds https://www.instagram.com/bula_cop31/

    25 min
  3. 10/28/2025

    Episode 'G' for Gold Coast: Inside the Investor Group on Climate Change Summit 2025

    Join Jack and Heidi as they take you behind the scenes at the Investor Group on Climate Change (IGCC) Summit 2025 in Sydney. G’day COP31 was invited to the two-day event to uncover where the investment community sees capital flowing in climate-related opportunities — and how policy and COP31 can act as catalysts for scaling up climate investment. The IGCC Summit is where Australia’s leading investors, policymakers, and sustainability experts come together to unpack a wave of climate-related announcements shaping risk, returns, and fiduciary responsibility. With Australia facing one of the fastest-evolving climate policy environments in the world — and trillions in retirement savings at stake — the summit focuses on turning today’s climate challenges into tomorrow’s investment opportunities. In this episode, you’ll hear exclusive recordings from keynote and panel sessions featuring: Al Gore, Founding Partner and Chairman, Generation Investment ManagementDeidre Willmott, Strategic Advisor, Global Sustainability and External Affairs, FortescueMichael Bartlett, Acting Branch Head, DCCEEWKate Donnelly, Impact and Unlisted Investment Manager, Future GroupRichie Merzian, CEO Clean Energy Investor GroupAnd finally, we wrap up with closing insights from Rebecca Mikula-Wright, CEO of IGCC.Time Stamps: 0:00 - Introduction and Jack's feelings 3:17 - Introduction to IGCC and the importance of it 7:37 - Al Gore 10:49 - Deidre Willmot and Michael Bartlett 13:40 - Kate Donnelly 15:08 - Richie Merzian 17:44 - Rebecca Mikula-Wright https://www.instagram.com/bula_cop31/

    20 min
  4. 09/19/2025

    Episode 'F' for Fremantle: The Future of Climate Negotiations

    Keywords COP31, climate change, Turkey, Australia, carbon trading, climate finance, Pacific Islands, virtual engagement, adaptation, negotiations Summary In this episode of G'day COP31, hosts Heidi Dumesich and Jack Whelan discuss the current status of Australia's bid to host COP31, the implications of Turkey's involvement, and the challenges faced in organizing the event. They explore the importance of virtual engagement in climate discussions, the need for Australia to strengthen diplomatic relations with Pacific Islands, and the complexities surrounding carbon trading mechanisms under Article 6 of the Paris Agreement. The conversation highlights the significance of adaptation and climate finance for developing countries, particularly in the Pacific region, and concludes with a call for future engagement and expert discussions on these critical topics. Takeaways Australia's bid for COP31 is under threat from Turkey.The Pacific Islands support Australia's bid for COP31.If no consensus is reached, COP31 will default to Bonn, Germany.Virtual engagement can enhance participation in COP discussions.Australia's climate risk assessment highlights urgent issues.Diplomatic relations with Pacific Islands are crucial for Australia.Article 6 of the Paris Agreement focuses on carbon trading mechanisms.Countries face challenges in accessing climate finance for adaptation.Education on carbon markets is essential for developing countries.Future discussions will focus on specific themes within climate negotiations. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Weekend Activities 01:14 COP31 Bid Status and Negotiations 04:08 Potential Hosting Challenges and Events 05:36 Virtual Engagement and COP Participation 06:54 Downsizing COP31 and Stakeholder Engagement 09:19 Diplomatic Relations and Climate Ambitions 13:07 Climate Risks and Adaptation Needs 16:12 Focus on Specific Climate Issues 19:46 Understanding Carbon Trading Mechanisms 26:13 Conclusion and Future Discussions Links: Climate Week session on Article 6: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMVP2QkRds&list=PLBcZ22cUY9RJT5Cp3K72BlPtp1eZQmztc&index=23 https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/13/australias-cop31-bid-teeters-as-rival-turkey-refuses-to-withdraw https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/15/pacific-islands-forum-pif-2025-five-key-takeaways https://www.instagram.com/bula_cop31/

    29 min
  5. 09/03/2025

     Episode 'E' for Esperance: Afonso from Climate Crew

    G'day everybody! In this episode, we sit down with Afonso, a sustainability innovator, entrepreneur, and community builder who’s shaping how organisations and people respond to the climate challenge. As the founder of NetNada, a sustainability reporting and carbon accounting software company, Afonso has helped Australian and global organisations meet climate-related disclosure requirements under AASB and CSRD, built the award-winning NetNada Academy that’s trained 150+ professionals, and delivered over 100 GHG-aligned carbon inventories. Afonso is also the co-founder of Pharmacycle, Australia’s only end-to-end recycling solution for the nation’s billion-sized blister pack problem, which has already achieved a 100% diversion rate, national coverage with 1,000+ drop-off points, and partnerships with major pharmacy chains. But this conversation isn’t about software and recycling—it’s about people and movements. Afonso is the coordinator of Climate Crew, a fast-growing community of 1,000+ members driving connection and action across Australia’s climate space. With COP31 set to take place in Adelaide, we discuss Climate Crew’s role as the “Unofficial Social Hub” of the conference: from breakfast clubs and evening meetups, to thematic gatherings on nature tech and climate finance, and a special focus on amplifying Pacific voices. We talk about the motivation behind Climate Crew, how it differs from other climate groups, and what legacy it hopes to leave at COP31—whether as advocates, connectors, or facilitators of the climate movement. If you want to understand the future of sustainability—from corporate disclosure to community-led climate action—this episode is for you. Links: https://www.altercop.com/australia https://www.pharmacycle.com.au/about https://www.netnada.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/myclimatecrew/posts/?feedView=all https://www.instagram.com/bula_cop31/

    29 min
  6. 07/31/2025

    Episode 'D' for Darwin: Youth Voices in Climate Policy with Diksha Duggal

    In this episode, Diksha Duggal reflects on her path into the YOUNGO constituency and explores the critical role of youth in climate negotiations. She discusses the push for greater inclusivity, YOUNGO’s preparations for COP 30 and COP 31, and the importance of grassroots movements in shaping climate policy.   Takeaways Diksha's journey into the Youngo constituency began with her passion for sustainability.Youngo serves as the collective voice for youth in climate negotiations.Inclusivity and youth engagement are crucial in climate discussions.Diksha emphasizes the importance of grassroots movements in climate activism.The upcoming COP 30 and COP 31 are pivotal for youth engagement.Every voice matters in the fight against climate change. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Youngo and Diksha's Journey 03:02 Understanding Youngo's Role in Climate Action 06:05 Preparing for COP 30: Strategies and Collaborations 08:11 Youth Engagement and Inclusivity in Climate Discussions 12:31 Addressing Key Issues Raised at SB 62 21:12 How do people get involved in YOUNGOs/ COP process 24:40 Mascot for COP30 - Curupira 26:12 Capacity Building for Youth Participation 28:00 Blueprint for Future COPs LINKS UNFCC YOUNGO website: https://unfccc.int/topics/action-for-climate-empowerment-children-and-youth/youth/youngo https://youngoclimate.org/ Links  to become a YOUNGO member: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18eatDBTHPKJLCzBS9lsE17tzi8mPys5MiXmsGPTNdlA/edit?tab=t.0 https://forms.gle/SmLx8n3dezbtMWaC8 YOUNGO Unveils Strategic Policy Position at SB62: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/youngo-strategic-policy-position-youngo-unfccc-zgprc/  Conference of Youth (COY): https://unfccc.int/topics/education-and-youth/youngo/coy https://www.instagram.com/bula_cop31/

    32 min
  7. 07/25/2025

    Episode 'C' for Canberra: Reforming the COP: The Path to Efficiency

    In this Episode ‘C for Canberra’ of G'day COP31!, Heidi and Jack explore recent calls by various civil society groups for reforms in the UNFCCC process - to address concerns about inclusivity, observer engagement, representation and participation. Some want so-called ‘vested interests’ to be limited or even excluded. The conversation focuses on efforts to involve diverse stakeholders in the climate dialogue to achieve meaningful outcomes. Takeaways Australia's bid for COP31 remains uncertain as Turkey continues to assert its position.The UNFCCC process is evolving in response to calls for inclusivity and effectiveness.Observers are seeking a more prominent role in negotiations, but how? Regional climate weeks will facilitate broader engagement and geographical representation.Limiting participation by certain interest groups in COP events is a complex issue.Accredited NGOs are clustered in stakeholder constituency groups.Resources: UNFCCC Constituency Focal Points - https://unfccc.int/documents/228031UNFCCC Party (Country) Groupings – see https://unfccc.int/party-groupings#:~:text=The%20Umbrella%20Group%20is%20a,Federation%2C%20Ukraine%20and%20the%20US.UNFCCC Message to Constituencies of admitted NGOs – Climate Week 2, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, 1-6 Sept 2025 https://unfccc.int/sites/default/files/resource/Notification_NGOs_ClimateWeek2.pdfArticle about Australia’s bid to host COP31, The Guardian –https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/jun/28/albanese-will-need-to-resolve-the-standoff-with-turkey-if-australia-is-to-host-cop31Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Context of COP31 03:00 The UNFCCC Bond Climate Meetings and Australia's Role 06:07 Improving the COP Process: Efficiency and Inclusivity 08:25 Observer Engagement 12:40 Managing Overcrowding and Participation Limits 19:06 Regional Climate Weeks: A New Approach 28:18 Vested Interests and Their Impact on Climate Negotiations 34:00 Conclusion and Future Directions https://www.instagram.com/bula_cop31/

    36 min
  8. 06/18/2025

    Episode 'B' for Brisbane: G'day Michael Kelly

    In this episode of G'day COP31, we say a warm hello to Michael Kelly from the World Liquid Gas Association (WLGA) – the global voice for LPG producers like butane and propane. Michael gives us the lowdown on what WLGA does and why it shows up at COPs (spoiler: it’s not just about lobbying). We dig into how LPG plays a role in clean cooking, off-grid power, and energy access in the developing world – and yes, even your Aussie barbeque. We also unpack the Australian Government’s push to host COP31 “in partnership with the Pacific” – is Adelaide the right venue? And what’s in it for our Pacific neighbours? Plus, what do emissions from LPG look like, and how does the industry plan to stay relevant in a low-carbon world? Finally, we ask: Will Mike be at COP31? How can Australian companies get involved? And how does the WLGA help them get a seat at the table? Some links that can help you follow along with the COP process: Here is the official UNFCCC link for the June UN Climate Meetings (SB62): https://unfccc.int/sb62 The schedule of events for the SB62 meetings is continuously updated, and will indicate which sessions are available for public webcast. See in particular, the Presidency-led consultation event with Parties on the Baku to Belém Roadmap, at 14h00 on 16 June. This could be when Australia or Turkey is announced as the host of COP31: https://unfccc.int/sb62/schedule?type=All Social media access to SB62 in Bonn: https://unfccc.int/sb62/ifp#Social-media-and-photos Article on 'What to Expect at the Bonn Climate Change Conference 2025: https://www.iisd.org/articles/explainer/what-to-expect-bonn-climate-change-conference-2025 Earth Negotiations Bulletin (go to for every detail at COP): https://enb.iisd.org/about/earth-negotiations-bulletin https://www.instagram.com/bula_cop31/

    29 min
  9. Episode ‘A’ for Adelaide: G'day COP31

    06/14/2025

    Episode ‘A’ for Adelaide: G'day COP31

    G'day everybody! Welcome to the first episode of G'day COP31. Meet your hosts: Heidi (Millennial, podcast pro) and Jack (Baby Boomer, podcast newbie) — a cross-generational duo diving into what it really means for (if) Australia to host COP31.  We’re not lobbyists, and we don't align with a particular interest group or political party. We’re here to demystify the COP process, unpack Australia’s bid to host, and shine a light on the voices that matter — especially from the Pacific region, which is central to Australia’s proposed partnership for COP31. In this launch episode, we assume Australia succeeds in its bid (announcement expected soon), and we’re here to help everyday Australians and regional stakeholders understand: What COP actually isHow to get involvedWhy it matters—especially for Heidi’s generationNo spin. No sponsors (yet). Just open, honest conversations about how you can engage, why it matters, and what COP31 could mean for Australia — and the planet. Some links that can help you follow along with the COP process: Here is the official UNFCCC link for the June UN Climate Meetings (SB62): https://unfccc.int/sb62 The schedule of events for the SB62 meetings is continuously updated, and will indicate which sessions are available for public webcast. See in particular, the Presidency-led consultation event with Parties on the Baku to Belém Roadmap, at 14h00 on 16 June. This could be when Australia or Turkey is announced as the host of COP31: https://unfccc.int/sb62/schedule?type=All Social media access to SB62 in Bonn: https://unfccc.int/sb62/ifp#Social-media-and-photos Article on 'What to Expect at the Bonn Climate Change Conference 2025: https://www.iisd.org/articles/explainer/what-to-expect-bonn-climate-change-conference-2025 Earth Negotiations Bulletin (go to for every detail at COP): https://enb.iisd.org/about/earth-negotiations-bulletin https://www.instagram.com/bula_cop31/

    22 min

About

Bula COP31 is a podcast for anyone wanting to understand what it means for Australia and the Türkiye to co-host COP31 in 2026, and why this moment is influential in the UNFCCC process. Australia will be putting the Pacific Islands at the forefront of the climate negotiations to ensure adaptation and infrastructure investments flow to the region. Your hosts are Heidi Dumesich and Jack Whelan. Jack is a proud boomer who started his sustainability career long before it was considered ‘cool’. His experience spans the earliest COPs and reaches across business, industry, government, development agencies, NGOs, and the UN. He’s worked with the International Chamber of Commerce and the World Business Council on Sustainable Development; and across Asia-Pacific with the Pacific Region Infrastructure Facility, Asian Development Bank, and World Bank. Jack was nominated by Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to the design team that established the IRIS initiative, supporting climate- and disaster-resilient infrastructure in Small Island Developing States — work that sits at the heart of Pacific climate priorities. Heidi Dumesich is a millennial environmental scientist focused on implementing practical solutions. She’s the seasoned podcaster behind Life on Planet A, and currently a Sustainability Manager at Ventia, leading an Infrastructure Sustainability Council rating for a major road project. Heidi brings a fresh, grounded perspective on climate action and how sustainability plays out across communities and sectors. Bula COP31 explores what really happens behind the scenes of a COP — with a special focus on how Pacific leadership, values, and voices shape the global climate agenda. Through candid conversations with stakeholders across Pacific governments, Australian agencies, industry, civil society, youth, and community groups, we unpack how climate diplomacy in our region is driven by relationships, resilience, and shared responsibility. Whether you're a policymaker, business leader, activist, Pacific climate champion, or simply COP-curious, this podcast is your guide to getting the most out of COP31 — and understanding how it can deliver for the Blue Pacific Continent. Tune in, get engaged, and say Bula COP31!