Voices of Adoption

Donna Pope

Voices of Adoption amplifies authentic stories from across the adoption triad - birth parents, adoptees, and adoptive families - along with adoption service providers. Host Donna Pope, Executive Director of Heart To Heart Adoptions and Clinical Mental Health Counselor and her co-host Nathan Gwilliam, founder & former CEO of Adoption.com, create a safe space for honest conversations about the complexities of adoption. Birth parents share their journeys of love, loss, and healing. Adoptees discuss identity, belonging, and their lived experiences. Adoptive families open up about challenges and beautiful moments. Adoption service providers offer insights from their professional experience supporting families throughout the process. Each episode bridges different perspectives within the adoption community, helping listeners understand that every adoption story is unique yet connected by common threads of resilience and hope. These conversations don't shy away from difficult emotions or complex questions. Instead, they honor the full spectrum of adoption experiences with empathy and respect. Join us for stories that educate, inspire understanding, and remind us that every voice in the adoption community matters.

  1. FEB 13

    Beyond Grateful: The Real Anxiety Behind Adoption

    In this candid conversation with trauma care practitioner and adoptive parent Stacy Uhrig, host Donna Pope of Voices of Adoption explores the complicated space where gratitude, loss, anxiety, and attachment all intersect. Together, they name the often-unspoken reality that every adoption begins with rupture and that these early experiences can echo through a child’s nervous system for years. Understanding Anxiety And Attachment In Adoption Stacy shares her family’s international adoption story from South Korea and reflects on what she wishes she had known about attachment ruptures, foster care moves, and how those early separations affect a child’s sense of safety. She and Donna discuss why so many adoptees and adoptive children receive diagnoses like anxiety, ADHD, ODD, or reactive attachment disorder, and how those labels can sometimes mask the deeper impact of early loss. Parent Triggers, Family Rules, And Healing From there, the conversation turns toward parents’ own unhealed stories. Stacy explains how unresolved trauma and inherited family rules about how parents and children are “supposed to” behave shape the way adults respond when kids get “big and bold” or shut down. Instead of asking “What’s wrong with you,” she invites parents to ask “What happened to you” and to do their own inner work so they can offer steady, more compassionate co-regulation at home. Personal Responsibility And The Calm Code Stacy also shares her three-decade journey with anxiety and what finally shifted when she began studying trauma, the nervous system, and hypnotherapy. She describes her Calm Code framework, her group work, and her podcast Flip Your Mindset, all designed to help people understand that while they did not cause their wounds, their healing is still their own. Throughout, she emphasizes that healing should be personal but not lonely: you can take responsibility for your growth while being held in a safe, supportive relationship. Whether you are an adoptee, a birth parent, or an adoptive parent, this episode offers language for experiences that are hard to name and hope that real healing is possible. Looking for support on your adoption journey? Visit VoicesofAdoption.org for support, resources, and community from every corner of the adoption constellation. Subscribe to the Voices of Adoption show for real stories and resources that help families across the adoption constellation find support and for expert insights on adoption wellness. #VoicesOfAdoption, #AdoptionCommunity, #AdoptionHealing, #AdoptionJourney, #AdopteeVoices, #AdoptiveParents, #BirthParents, #AdoptionTrauma, #AttachmentTrauma, #MentalHealthMatters, #AnxietySupport, #TraumaInformed  Website  Follow or Subscribe to Voices of Adoption on your favorite platform:- Website: VoicesofAdoption.org | YouTube: @VoicesofAdoptionShow | Twitter/X: Voices_Adoption | Instagram: Voicesof_Adoption | Facebook: Voices of Adoption | TikTok: @Voices_of_Adoption | LinkedIn: @Voices-of-Adoption Follow Nathan Gwilliam - LinkedIn: @nathangwilliam Follow Donna Pope - LinkedIn: @donna-pope-41652ba Follow Stacey Uhrig - LinkedIn: @StaceyUhrig | Website: FlipYourMindset.com | Twitter/X: @StaceyUhrig | Instagram: @StaceyUhrig | YouTube: @FlipYourMindset | Facebook: LetsFlipThatShit

  2. FEB 4

    How This Adoptee Found Her Voice by Returning to Her Roots

    Elmarie Arnold discovered her authentic voice through life’s most challenging moments, transforming decades of silence into a mission of hope for the adoption community. Adopted as a newborn in apartheid South Africa by loving parents, she initially struggled to balance gratitude with her need for authentic self-expression after a childhood experience taught her to suppress adoption-related feelings. Awakening In this episode, Elmarie reveals how her son's death became the catalyst for writing her memoir "Unadoptically Me" and embracing complete authenticity. She shares insights about the complex emotions adoptees navigate and how understanding these feelings leads to deeper healing and connection. Healing Elmarie presents her empowering philosophy that adoptees are on a chosen soul journey, encouraging them to honor their experiences while building resilience. She offers adoptive parents transformative guidance: create supportive sanctuary spaces, stay present during difficult moments, and trust in your child’s inherent strength to navigate their adoption story. Wisdom This conversation reframes the adoption experience as a path toward personal sovereignty, inspiring adoptees to embrace their unique journey and recognize their exceptional courage. Elmarie’s story demonstrates how adoptees can transform challenges into wisdom while honoring both their adoptive families and their complete identity. Reclaim your narrative, honor your roots, and write the next chapter on your terms. You are not alone on this adoption journey, and support is within reach. Looking for support on your adoption journey? Visit VoicesofAdoption.org for support, resources, and community from every corner of the adoption constellation. Subscribe to the Voices of Adoption show for real stories and practical guidance that help families across the adoption constellation find support, along with expert insights on adoption and emotional wellness. #VoicesOfAdoption, #AdoptionJourney, #AdoptionStory, #AdopteeVoices, #AdoptiveParents, #BirthParents, #AdoptionCommunity, #AdoptionHealing, #TraumaInformed, #EmotionalWellness, #MentalHealthMatters, #ReclaimYourStory, #HonorYourRoots, #IdentityAndBelonging #AdoptionAndIdentity Follow or Subscribe to Voices of Adoption on your favorite platform: Website: VoicesofAdoption.org | YouTube: @VoicesofAdoptionShow | Twitter/X: Voices_Adoption | Instagram: Voicesof_Adoption | Facebook: Voices of Adoption | TikTok: @Voices_of_Adoption | LinkedIn: @Voices-of-Adoption Follow Nathan Gwilliam: LinkedIn: @nathangwilliam Follow Donna Pope: LinkedIn: @donna-pope-41652ba Follow Elmarie Arnold: Website: ForeverFree.co.za | LinkedIn: @Elmarie-Arnold | Facebook: Unadoptically | Instagram: Unadoptically

  3. JAN 29

    Why Punishing Pregnant Women Doesn't Protect Their Babies

    In this episode of Voices of Adoption, host Donna Pope sits down with Christina Dent, founder of End It For Good, a nonprofit working to shift how we approach drugs and addiction from punishment to help-centered solutions. One Placement Changed Everything. Christina and her husband started fostering in 2014. Their three placements produced three different outcomes: one child they adopted, one returned to family with an ongoing connection, and one left after two years with no contact since. But it was their second placement that changed her life and career. Lullabies Over Speakerphone. When baby Beckham came to them straight from the hospital, Christina expected his birth mother, Joanne, to fit the stereotype she'd absorbed growing up: that people who use drugs are bad people who don't love their children. Instead, she watched Joanne run across a parking lot, crying to kiss her newborn. She answered daily phone calls where Joanne asked every detail about her son and then sang to him over speakerphone. She drove Beckham to a treatment center that allowed mothers to keep their babies with them during recovery. Ten Years Sober Today. Everything Christina thought she knew about addiction fell apart. She went back to square one and started learning. That journey led her to launch End It For Good, advocating for health-centered approaches to substance use instead of criminalization. Today, Joanne is 10 years sober, working at the same treatment center where she got clean, and raising Beckham herself. This episode challenges foster and adoptive families to ask a difficult question: can we love a child enough to give them back? Looking for support on your adoption journey? Visit VoicesofAdoption.org for support, resources, and community from every corner of the adoption constellation. #VoicesOfAdoption #FosterCare #Adoption #AddictionRecovery #EndItForGood #ChristinaDent #FosterToAdopt #BirthMom #Reunification #TraumaInformedCare #SubstanceAbuse #FosterParenting #AdoptionJourney #RecoveryIsPossible #FamilyReunification Follow or Subscribe to Voices of Adoption on your favorite platform:- Website: VoicesofAdoption.org | YouTube: @VoicesofAdoptionShow | Twitter/X: Voices_Adoption | Instagram: Voicesof_Adoption | Facebook: Voices of Adoption | TikTok: @Voices_of_Adoption | LinkedIn: @Voices-of-Adoption Follow Nathan Gwilliam - LinkedIn: @nathangwilliam Follow Donna Pope - LinkedIn: @donna-pope-41652ba Follow Christina Dent - Website: EndItForGood.com | LinkedIn: @ChristinaBDent | Instagram: @ChristinaBDent | Facebook: ChristinaBDent | Twitter/X: @ChristinaBDent

  4. JAN 22

    Diamonds, Not Trash Cans: A Path to Thriving for Adoptees with Simon Benn

    In this continuation of our two-part conversation with Simon Benn, host of the Thriving Adoptees podcast, Donna Pope host of Voices of Adoption, digs deeper into what it actually takes to move toward greater stability and growth. Building on the rock paper scissors metaphor from Part 1, this episode focuses on practical application. Together, they discuss how adoptive parents can better support their children, why personal work matters, and what tools can help adoptees recognize their inherent worth. Helping Others Find Wholeness Simon explains that parents often need to begin by recognizing their own wholeness. Using the example of French ski instructors, he shows that helping others requires both personal depth and the ability to teach. Healing unfolds through many “penny drop moments,” not a single breakthrough. Storm and Sky Simon offers another metaphor: trauma is like a storm temporarily covering a blue sky. The storm passes, but the sky remains unchanged. He explores how identifying solely with painful experiences, including trauma bonding, can keep people stuck, while curiosity and openness support movement forward. Doing the Work Simon shares practical approaches to healing, including Byron Katie’s belief inquiry process known as “The Work,” somatic experiencing for preverbal trauma, and the importance of finding what works for each individual. He closes with the meaning behind his podcast’s diamond logo. While some adoptees come to see themselves as trash cans, he emphasizes that every adoptee, birth parent, and adoptive parent is a diamond. Thriving unfolds through patience and continued excavation. If you have not listened to Part 1, we recommend starting there to hear Simon’s full adoption story and the metaphors that shape this conversation. Looking for support on your adoption journey? Visit VoicesofAdoption.org for support, resources, and community from every corner of the adoption constellation. Subscribe to the Voices of Adoption show for real stories and resources that help families across the adoption constellation find support and for expert insights on adoption wellness. #ThrivingAdoptees #SimonBenn #AdopteeHealing #TraumaRecovery #AdoptiveParents #DoTheWork #ByronKatie #SomaticExperiencing #AdoptionAwareness #AdopteeVoices #MentalHealthMatters #AdoptionCommunity #HealingTrauma #VoicesOfAdoption #DiamondNotTrashCan #AdopteeWellness

  5. JAN 14

    Rock, Paper, Scissors: A New Metaphor for Adoption Healing with Simon Benn

    In this episode of Voices of Adoption, host Donna Pope interviews Simon Benn, creator and host of Thriving Adoptees, a podcast with over 620 episodes dedicated to helping adoptees heal, grow, and thrive. Simon shares his adoption story, the moment a teddy bear revealed a connection to his birth mother he never knew existed, and the metaphor he developed to challenge one of adoption's most accepted theories. Understanding the Journey Simon was adopted from Liverpool in early 1967 and grew up near York, England. At 40, his parents returned a box of childhood items, including a teddy bear he'd had his whole life. What he didn't know: the bear was a gift from his birth mother. That discovery triggered a brief but painful thought that she didn't love him enough to keep him. A counselor helped him see that wasn't true. Years later, reading a letter from his birth mother in his adoption file, Simon felt her love as a full-body experience that changed everything. Reframing the Wound Simon's rock-paper-scissors metaphor offers an alternative to Nancy Verrier's Primal Wound theory. Rock represents our true self. Paper represents trauma. Paper wraps rock and wins, until the paper is unfurled to reveal the rock untouched underneath. His message: trauma hides us but never harms who we truly are. Drawing on the work of Richard Schwartz and Peter Levine, Simon believes healing comes through insight, personal growth, and recognizing that our core self remains intact beneath whatever has been layered on top. This episode offers a hopeful framework for adoptees feeling stuck in narratives of permanent damage while providing perspective on how happiness is always an inside job. Looking for support on your adoption journey? Visit VoicesofAdoption.org for support, resources, and community from every corner of the adoption constellation. Subscribe to the Voices of Adoption show for real stories and resources that help families across the adoption constellation find support and for expert insights on adoption wellness. #ThrivingAdoptees #SimonBenn #AdopteeHealing #PrimalWound #TraumaRecovery #InternalFamilySystems #SomaticExperiencing #AdoptionAwareness #AdopteeVoices #MentalHealthMatters #AdoptionCommunity #HealingTrauma #VoicesOfAdoption #RockPaperScissors #AdopteeWellness Follow or Subscribe to Voices of Adoption on your favorite platform:- Website: VoicesofAdoption.org | YouTube: @VoicesofAdoptionShow | Twitter/X: Voices_Adoption | Instagram: Voicesof_Adoption | Facebook: Voices of Adoption | TikTok: @Voices_of_Adoption | LinkedIn: @Voices-of-Adoption Follow Nathan Gwilliam - LinkedIn: @nathangwilliam Follow Donna Pope - LinkedIn: @donna-pope-41652ba Follow Simon Benn - LinkedIn: @SimonJBenn | Website: ThrivingAdoptees.com | Email: simon@thrivingadoptees.com

  6. JAN 2

    She Was Rejected at 19, Then Found Both Families at 36: One Adoptee's Reunion Journey

    In this episode of Voices of Adoption, host Donna Pope interviews Tarcia Smith, host of the Adoption Journey podcast and co-founder of Black Adoptees Meetup. Tarcia shares her personal adoption story, her complicated reunions with both biological parents, and why she built a national community for Black adoptees who felt underrepresented in traditional adoption spaces. Understanding the Journey Tarcia was adopted as an infant in Chicago during the 1970s through a closed adoption. At 19, she attempted to find her birth family but was told they didn't want contact. Sixteen years later, when Illinois changed its laws, she obtained her original birth certificate and successfully located her biological brother through Facebook. What followed was a series of reunions that taught her the difference between expectations and reality. Building What Was Missing In 2024, Tarcia and Dr. Kathy Garland co-founded Black Adoptees Meetup after noticing Black adoptees were consistently underrepresented in adoption spaces. The first gathering brought 25 people to Atlanta. The second brought 30 to Chicago, including one man who flew from the UK. Philadelphia hosts the 2026 event October 2nd through 4th. This episode offers practical guidance for adoptees navigating reunion while providing perspective on showing grace to birth families and building chosen community. Looking for support on your adoption journey? Visit VoicesofAdoption.org for support, resources, and community from every corner of the adoption constellation. Subscribe to the Voices of Adoption show for real stories and resources that help families across the adoption constellation find support and for expert insights on adoption wellness. #AdopteeVoices #BlackAdoptee #AdoptionReunion #ClosedAdoption #AdopteeHealing #AdoptionAwareness #BlackAdopteesMeetup #AdoptionCommunity #AdultAdoptees #AdoptionSupport #MentalHealthMatters #AdopteeJourney #ShowYourselfGrace #VoicesOfAdoption Follow or Subscribe to Voices of Adoption on your favorite platform: Website: VoicesofAdoption.org | YouTube: @VoicesofAdoptionShow | Twitter/X: Voices_Adoption | Instagram: Voicesof_Adoption | Facebook: Voices of Adoption | TikTok: @Voices_of_Adoption | LinkedIn: @Voices-of-Adoption Follow Nathan Gwilliam: LinkedIn: @nathangwilliam Follow Donna Pope: LinkedIn: @donna-pope-41652ba Follow Tarcia Smith: LinkedIn: @Coach-Tarcia-Smith

  7. 12/23/2025

    Korean Adoptee Therapist Says Gratitude Should Not Silence Grief

    In this episode of Voices of Adoption, host Donna Pope interviews Rachel Forbes, a Korean American adoptee and licensed clinical social worker who specializes in trauma-informed therapy. Adopted from South Korea at three months old by white Jewish parents, Rachel's journey through depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts ultimately led her to become a therapist dedicated to helping other adoptees heal. Love and Loss Coexist Rachel explains that an adopted child's grief has nothing to do with their adoptive parents' love, and adoptive parents cannot heal that grief for them. She emphasizes that gratitude should not silence grief, and adoptees can hold appreciation for their families while still honoring their loss. Using Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy, Rachel helps adoptees acknowledge all parts of themselves without judgment. Finding Your Community Rachel encourages adoptees to seek adoption-competent therapists and connect with the growing adoptee community online. She reminds listeners that healing doesn't mean triggers disappear, but that we build capacity to bring more self-compassion to those moments each time they arise. This episode offers guidance for every member of the adoption constellation seeking understanding and support. Looking for support on your adoption journey? Visit VoicesofAdoption.org for support, resources, and community from every corner of the adoption constellation. Subscribe to the Voices of Adoption show for real stories and resources that help families across the adoption constellation find support and for expert insights on adoption wellness. #VoicesOfAdoption #RachelForbes #KoreanAdoptee #AdoptionTrauma #AdopteeHealing #TransracialAdoption #IFSTherapy #AdoptionTherapy #AdopteeVoices #AdoptiveFamilies #BirthMomSupport #AdoptionCommunity #TraumaInformedCare #AdoptionAwareness #HealingJourney Follow or Subscribe to Voices of Adoption on your favorite platform: Website: VoicesofAdoption.org | YouTube: @VoicesofAdoptionShow | Twitter/X: Voices_Adoption | Instagram: Voicesof_Adoption | Facebook: Voices of Adoption | TikTok: @Voices_of_Adoption | LinkedIn: @Voices-of-Adoption Follow Nathan Gwilliam: LinkedIn: @nathangwilliam Follow Donna Pope: LinkedIn: @donna-pope-41652ba Follow Rachel Forbes, LCSW: Website: ForbesPsychoTherapy.com | LinkedIn: @RachelForbesLCSW | Instagram: @RachelForbes.LCSW | Facebook: RachelForbesLCSW | Email: Rachel@ForbesPsychoTherapy.com | Resources for Adoptees, Adoptive Families, & Anyone in the Adoption Community: docs.google.com

  8. 12/17/2025

    Building Bridges Between Adoptive and Biological Families

    Colton was adopted at three months old into a family where four out of five children were adopted. Growing up black in a white family felt regular until others started pointing out the differences. External expectations about how he should act conflicted with who he actually was, creating years of identity crisis. In this episode of Voices of Adoption, host Donna Pope sits down with Colton Prestwich to explore the adoptee perspective on transracial adoption, identity formation, and maintaining relationships across both adoptive and biological families. Sports Became His Refuge Middle school and early high school brought the hardest years. People formed expectations about how Black people should act from television and news media. When Colton didn't fit those stereotypes, it confused them. Sports became his sanctuary. On the football field and track, nobody cared about his skin color. They only cared if he was good. That meritocracy gave him space to figure out who he was without pressure to perform someone else's idea of identity. The Reunion That Changed Everything When Colton's adoptive mother did DNA testing to find his biological family, the reunion in Portland felt like something out of a movie. Despite having no pictures, they recognized each other immediately. The connection was genuine and instant. Colton made multiple trips to Colorado to spend time with his birth mother Catherine and extended family. Adding a biological family didn't diminish his adoptive family. It completed something he hadn't fully realized was missing. Life in Two Families Today, Colton maintains relationships with both families. His biological mother has joined his adoptive family for Thanksgiving dinner. His adoptive mom supports his connection with the woman who gave birth to him. Colton's message to birth mothers carries no shame, only gratitude. His advice to adoptive parents emphasizes openness from the beginning. To fellow adoptees, he offers realistic hope based on finding wholeness through reunion. Looking for support on your adoption journey? Visit VoicesofAdoption.org for support, resources, and community from every corner of the adoption constellation. Subscribe to the Voices of Adoption show for real stories and resources that help families across the adoption constellation find support and for expert insights on adoption wellness. #AdopteeVoices #AdoptionAndAddiction #AttachmentTherapy #AdopteeHealing #AdoptionAwareness #AddictionRecovery #AdoptionCommunity #InterracialAdoption Follow or Subscribe to Voices of Adoption on your favorite platform: Website: VoicesofAdoption.org | YouTube: @VoicesofAdoptionShow | Twitter/X: Voices_Adoption | Instagram: Voicesof_Adoption | Facebook: Voices of Adoption | TikTok: @Voices_of_Adoption | LinkedIn: @Voices-of-Adoption Follow Nathan Gwilliam: LinkedIn: @nathangwilliam Follow Donna Pope: LinkedIn: @donna-pope-41652ba

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Voices of Adoption amplifies authentic stories from across the adoption triad - birth parents, adoptees, and adoptive families - along with adoption service providers. Host Donna Pope, Executive Director of Heart To Heart Adoptions and Clinical Mental Health Counselor and her co-host Nathan Gwilliam, founder & former CEO of Adoption.com, create a safe space for honest conversations about the complexities of adoption. Birth parents share their journeys of love, loss, and healing. Adoptees discuss identity, belonging, and their lived experiences. Adoptive families open up about challenges and beautiful moments. Adoption service providers offer insights from their professional experience supporting families throughout the process. Each episode bridges different perspectives within the adoption community, helping listeners understand that every adoption story is unique yet connected by common threads of resilience and hope. These conversations don't shy away from difficult emotions or complex questions. Instead, they honor the full spectrum of adoption experiences with empathy and respect. Join us for stories that educate, inspire understanding, and remind us that every voice in the adoption community matters.