Devon Vocke, Co-Founder at Evoke Strategy, joins E-Coffee with Experts to talk about full-funnel digital PR, SEO, and how brands are discovered through AI search. Drawing on Evoke’s AI visibility research, Devon explains why a brand’s presence can change with the model, wording, buyer intent, geography, and context. He shares four factors behind durable visibility: clarity, consistency, credibility, and coverage, and explains why repeated appearances across relevant buyer questions tell more than a single visibility score. The conversation looks at how a company’s website makes claims while third-party coverage can corroborate them, why traditional SEO remains foundational, and how backlinks and unlinked mentions can contribute to authority and context. Devon also discusses turning proprietary research into conversations and distribution, measuring conversions and pipeline when clicks decline, and using self-reported attribution alongside other imperfect signals. For marketing teams planning their next steps, his advice is to get out of the boardroom, listen to how buyers describe their needs, benchmark those questions, build evidence, and connect visibility to business impact. Watch the full episode for a practical discussion of digital PR, AI discovery, and the measures marketers can use when traffic no longer tells the whole story. Get Your Exclusive AIO Growth Plan - We’ll kick off with a Live AIO Audit to see how shoppers find you, followed by Competitor Research to steal their spotlight: https://lunacal.ai/team/dws/dws-meetings In this episode, we discuss: 00:00 - 01:13: Introduction 01:13 - 03:42: Career path across agency, tech, and e-commerce 03:42 - 05:55: Why PR and digital marketing work better together 05:55 - 07:11: Scaling Evoke and letting specialists lead 07:11 - 08:47: Rebrand, authority, and AI discovery 08:47 - 11:47: Why AI visibility changes by prompt and context 11:47 - 14:05: The four Cs of durable AI visibility 14:05 - 16:21: Where traditional SEO still matters 16:21 - 18:45: Website claims and third-party corroboration 18:45 - 20:07: Backlinks, unlinked mentions, and authority 20:07 - 22:51: Turning original research into conversations 22:51 - 24:55: Keeping a consistent brand narrative 24:55 - 27:01: Measuring visibility when clicks decline 27:01 - 27:59: Listen to buyers and benchmark their questions 27:59 - 28:56: What Devon and Evoke are working on next 28:56 - 29:43: Closing thoughts Connect with Devon Vocke https://www.linkedin.com/in/devonvocke/ https://evokestrategy.com/ FOLLOW US Website: https://www.digitalwebsolutions.com/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/digiwebsol Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dws_global LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/digital-web-solutions./