The Inverted Podcast

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This podcast series explores topics related to the creation and use of product in the areas of Security, privacy, online safety, infrastructure security etc. We call these people Inverted Product people because the primary goals for these product people are somehow inverted: success is "when nothing happens". There are fundamental differences in metrics, strategies, personas, communication, and road mapping from the ones of “traditional product teams”

  1. Jul 15

    Inverted Podcast #25: Product Design for Trust & Safety

    Product Design for Trust & Safety | Inverted Podcast In this episode of the Inverted Podcast, special guest Elliott Sainsbury joins co-hosts Dario Salice, Dana Kaufman, and Cristina for a deep conversation about the role of product design in privacy, security, and trust & safety. Design is more than making interfaces look good or writing clear button text. It shapes how people understand what happens to their data, what choices they’re making, and when they should stop and think before taking action. The group explores how product teams can move beyond dense privacy notices and one-time consent screens toward clearer, more contextual experiences that build trust over time. Elliott shares insights from his work in content design and enterprise software, including how thoughtful messaging, consistent terminology, and intentional friction can help users make better decisions. Dana reflects on how privacy has evolved in product management, from late-stage checkboxes to upfront considerations shaped by regulation, AI, and changing user expectations. Cristina brings a security engineering perspective, connecting these ideas to secure defaults, threat modeling, least privilege, and the importance of helping engineers build safer products without unnecessary friction. Topics include: ➡️ Why trust and safety should be part of the product experience ➡️ How to make privacy and security choices clearer for users ➡️ The trade-offs between opt-in and opt-out models ➡️ Why “frictionless” isn’t always the right goal ➡️ How AI is making privacy and product development more complex ➡️ The role of designers, product managers, and engineers in building trustworthy systems ➡️ Why trust has to be maintained throughout the user journey, not just at signup If you work in product, design, security, privacy, or AI, this conversation is a practical look at how teams can build products that respect users, reduce surprises, and make trust a core part of the experience. Who should watch: Security professionals, IAM engineers, CISOs, developers, product managers, compliance teams, and anyone interested in digital identity and AI. 🔔 Subscribe for more insights on identity, security, and AI 💬 What do you think about AI agents acting on your behalf? Connect with the hosts and guests with comments on the video or on LinkedIn to continue the conversation!🎧 Listen, learn, and join the conversation! 🎧 Find us on LinkedIn, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music/Audible, iHeartRadio or our website, and leave a message with your thoughts or questions. Check out our 🌐website: https://invertedpm.com/ ✅  Like 👍 and Subscribe for more deep dives into the world of inverted product management! ✅  🔗 Join the conversation in the Inverted Product Management community on LinkedIn. Inverted PM LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12902712/ #IdentitySecurity #Cybersecurity #Passkeys #ZeroTrust #IAM #AIAgents #DigitalIdentity #eIDAS #Privacy #InvertedPodcast Music by: Bensound License code: KQNVJHTWQEBEDSEA

    Inverted Podcast #25: Product Design for Trust & Safety

  2. Jul 1

    Inverted Podcast #24: What’s Happening in Identity?

    Identity is Changing Fast: AI Agents, Passkeys & Digital ID Explained | Inverted Podcast Digital identity is evolving rapidly — from passwords to passkeys, from users to AI agents. In this episode of the Inverted Podcast, we break down the biggest trends in identity security, authentication, and authorization, including the rise of AI agents, phishing-resistant login methods, and government-backed digital identity systems like the EU Digital Identity Wallet. We explore how identity is shifting from static accounts to dynamic, real-time access control, why Zero Trust and runtime security are becoming essential, and what organizations must do to keep up with increasing regulatory pressure and cyber threats. If you're interested in cybersecurity, identity management (IAM), Zero Trust, AI security, or privacy, this episode gives a clear view of where the industry is headed. Topics covered: ➡️ Identity security trends in 2026 ➡️ Passkeys vs passwords (future of authentication) ➡️ AI agents and delegated identity ➡️ Zero Trust and continuous authentication ➡️ Phishing-resistant MFA and account protection ➡️ Runtime vs static identity controls ➡️ EU Digital Identity Wallet (eIDAS) explained ➡️ Regulatory pressure on banks and enterprises Who should watch: Security professionals, IAM engineers, CISOs, developers, product managers, compliance teams, and anyone interested in digital identity and AI. 🔔 Subscribe for more insights on identity, security, and AI 💬 What do you think about AI agents acting on your behalf? Connect with the hosts and guests with comments on the video or on LinkedIn to continue the conversation! 🎧 Listen, learn, and join the conversation! 🎧 Find us on LinkedIn, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music/Audible, iHeartRadio or our website, and leave a message with your thoughts or questions. Check out our 🌐website: https://invertedpm.com/ ✅  Like 👍 and Subscribe for more deep dives into the world of inverted product management! ✅ 🔗 Join the conversation in the Inverted Product Management community on LinkedIn. Inverted PM LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12902712/ Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 00:11 The Acceleration of Identity Change 01:13 From Authentication to Authorization 02:22 AI Agents and Identity Challenges 03:33 The “Identity Debt” Problem 04:32 Runtime vs. Static Security Controls 06:00 Continuous Access & Risk Signals 07:30 Government Digital ID (EU Wallet) 09:10 The Future of Identity & AI Agents #IdentitySecurity #Cybersecurity #Passkeys #ZeroTrust #IAM #AIAgents #DigitalIdentity #eIDAS #Privacy #InvertedPodcast Music by: Bensound License code: KQNVJHTWQEBEDSEA

    Inverted Podcast #24: What’s Happening in Identity?

  3. Jun 17

    Inverted Podcast #23: Recovery- The Most Dangerous Feature You're Ignoring

    In this episode of the Inverted Podcast, we dive into one of the most overlooked — and risky — aspects of modern digital systems: account recovery. Joined by security expert Dean H. Saxe, the conversation explores why recovery isn’t just a backup feature, but often the weakest link in your entire authentication system. From real-world examples of compromised accounts to the surprising ways attackers exploit recovery flows, the team breaks down how even the most secure login systems can fail. You’ll hear insights on: ➡️ Why account recovery should be treated as a first-class security feature, not an afterthought ➡️ How attackers exploit weak recovery processes instead of breaking strong authentication ➡️ The trade-offs between security, privacy, and accessibility when designing recovery systems ➡️ The real business impact of poor recovery experiences — from lost users to increased costs ➡️ Emerging approaches like passkeys, digital credentials, and identity verification ➡️ Practical advice for both product teams and everyday users to stay protected Beyond the technical details, this episode highlights the human side of recovery — from frustrated users locked out of their accounts to the real-life consequences of losing access to your digital identity. If you enjoyed this conversation, don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share for more episodes on security, privacy, cyber abuse, spam, and building better “inverted” products.Connect with the hosts and guests with comments on the video or on LinkedIn to continue the conversation!🎧 Listen, learn, and join the conversation! 🎧Find us on LinkedIn, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music/Audible, iHeartRadio or our website, and leave a message with your thoughts or questions. Check out our 🌐website: https://invertedpm.com/✅  Like 👍 and Subscribe for more deep dives into the world of inverted product management! ✅ 🔗 Join the conversation in the Inverted Product Management community on LinkedIn.Inverted PM LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12902712/#securitypm #ProductManagement #riskmanagement #risk #Cybersecurity #InvertedPM #TrustAndSafety #security #abuseprevention #userexperience #hacked #AI #AIsecurity #aigovernance #cybersecurity podcast #tech podcast series #cybersecurity podcasts #cybersecurity podcasts for professionals #technology podcasts #technology podcast #productivity podcasts #startup #cloudsecuritypodcast Music by: BensoundLicense code: KQNVJHTWQEBEDSEA

    Inverted Podcast #23: Recovery- The Most Dangerous Feature You're Ignoring

  4. May 26

    Inverted Podcast #22: Become Incorruptible with Eric Ries

    What makes a company truly incorruptible? In this special episode of the Inverted Podcast, Jeroen, Dana, and Dario sit down with legendary entrepreneur and The Lean Startup author Eric Ries to explore the ideas behind his new book, "Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad…and How Great Companies Stay Great" Together, they unpack why some companies stay true to their values while others slowly compromise under pressure from investors, incentives, and short-term thinking. Eric shares powerful stories from companies like Costco, Cloudflare, and Anthropic, explaining how trust, governance, and long-term purpose can become real competitive advantages—not just ideals. The conversation also dives into why security, privacy, and safety are often the first things sacrificed in profit-driven environments, and why building them into a company’s DNA from the beginning matters more than ever. If you care about building products, companies, or systems that people can truly trust, this episode is for you. In this episode, we cover: ➡️The deeper meaning behind The Lean Startup ➡️Why speed without long-term thinking can be dangerous ➡️The core ideas in Eric Ries’s new book, Incorruptible ➡️How companies like Costco and Cloudflare turned principles into strength ➡️Why security, privacy, and safety are essential to trustworthy businesses ➡️How founders, employees, and even job candidates can spot incorruptible organizations You can find Eric's new book "Incorruptible: Why Good Companies Go Bad…and How Great Companies Stay Great" here: https://www.amazon.com/Incorruptible-Shape-Companies-That-Stand/dp/B0FWZZBPZB And at the website: https://www.incorruptible.co/If you enjoyed this conversation, don’t forget to like, subscribe, and share for more episodes on security, privacy, cyber abuse, spam, and building better “inverted” products. Connect with the hosts and guests with comments on the video or on LinkedIn to continue the conversation! 🎧 Listen, learn, and join the conversation! 🎧 Find us on LinkedIn, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music/Audible, iHeartRadio or our website, and leave a message with your thoughts or questions. Check out our 🌐website: https://invertedpm.com/ ✅  Like 👍 and Subscribe for more deep dives into the world of inverted product management! ✅  🔗 Join the conversation in the Inverted Product Management community on LinkedIn. Inverted PM LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12902712/#securitypm #ProductManagement #riskmanagement #risk #Cybersecurity #InvertedPM #TrustAndSafety #security #abuseprevention #userexperience #hacked #AI #AIsecurity #aigovernance #cybersecurity podcast #tech podcast series #cybersecurity podcasts #cybersecurity podcasts for professionals #technology podcasts #technology podcast #productivity podcasts #startup #cloudsecuritypodcast Spotify: Music by: Bensound License code: KQNVJHTWQEBEDSEA

    Inverted Podcast #22: Become Incorruptible with Eric Ries

  5. Apr 30

    Inverted Podcast #21: AI Regulations & Humans in the Loop

    How Do You Build AI Products That Are Compliant Before It’s Too Late? In this special episode of the Inverted podcast, host Dario Salice sits down with Dexter Awoyemi, an independent AI systems architect working at the intersection of AI, regulation, and product design. Together, they explore what it really means to build AI systems responsibly—before compliance becomes a painful afterthought. Dexter introduces his philosophy of “clarity before code”, arguing that teams should start with intent, risk classification, and human oversight rather than jumping straight into models and frameworks. The conversation dives deep into the EU AI Act, including how turning complex regulations into executable knowledge graphs can help product and engineering teams reason about their obligations without reading hundreds of pages of legal text. You’ll hear a candid discussion about: ➡️ Why human-in-the-loop is a non‑negotiable requirement for AI systems—and how it affects UX, auditability, and accountability ➡️ Common mistakes teams make when applying AI to complex reasoning and regulatory interpretation ➡️ How compliance, security, and product teams can collaborate earlier instead of acting as late-stage gatekeepers ➡️ What product teams should focus on first: risk classification, observability, and designing for failure modes ➡️ Why AI regulation, much like GDPR, is likely to become the global default—and why early compliance is not wasted work This episode is especially valuable for product managers, engineers, and founders building AI-powered products in regulated or soon-to-be-regulated environments who want to avoid expensive rewrites, organizational friction, and downstream risk. If you’re interested in real-world security strategies, AI security, zero trust, and the evolving challenges facing media organizations, this episode is a must-listen. Connect with the hosts and guests with comments on the video or on LinkedIn to continue the conversation! 🎧 Listen, learn, and join the conversation! 🎧 Find us on LinkedIn, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music/Audible, iHeartRadio or our website, and leave a message with your thoughts or questions. Check out our 🌐website: https://invertedpm.com/ ✅  Like 👍 and Subscribe for more deep dives into the world of inverted product management! ✅  🔗 Join the conversation in the Inverted Product Management community on LinkedIn. Inverted PM Linked In Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12902712/ #securitypm #ProductManagement #riskmanagement #risk #Cybersecurity #InvertedPM #TrustAndSafety #security #abuseprevention #userexperience #hacked #AI #AIsecurity #aigovernance #cybersecurity podcast #tech podcast series #cybersecurity podcasts #cybersecurity podcasts for professionals #technology podcasts #technology podcast #productivity podcasts Music by: Bensound License code: KQNVJHTWQEBEDSEA

    Inverted Podcast #21: AI Regulations & Humans in the Loop

  6. Apr 15

    Inverted Podcast #20 — Targeted Attacks: Protecting High‑Risk People and Organizations

    🎙️ Inverted Podcast #20 — Targeted Attacks: Protecting High‑Risk People and Organizations 🎙️ What does it really mean to be a high‑risk user—and how are targeted attacks different from everyday phishing and scams? In this episode of the Inverted Podcast, Jeroen Kemperman is joined by co-hosts Dario Salice and Dana Kaufman, with special guest Mike Sager, to break down the world of targeted cyberattacks. Together, they explore how activists, journalists, political candidates, founders, and other high‑value individuals are targeted by well‑resourced adversaries—and why conventional security advice often falls short for these groups. The conversation dives into how nation‑states, organized crime, and sophisticated attackers operate differently from “drive‑by” attackers, investing time and resources to research their targets, craft personalized lures, and escalate attacks until they succeed. The panel discusses real‑world examples like political campaigns, advocacy organizations, journalists, and small consulting teams that become critical entry points for attackers—often without the resources of large enterprises. The episode also looks at how AI and data leakage are changing the threat landscape, making highly personalized social‑engineering attacks faster, cheaper, and more scalable than ever before. As the panel explains, techniques that once required days or weeks of effort can now be performed in hours—dramatically expanding who can be targeted and how. From a product and platform perspective, the discussion turns to what builders can do to better protect high‑risk users. Drawing on experience with programs like Google’s Advanced Protection Program, panel discusses raising the security baseline, giving users ways to opt into stronger protections, being opinionated about defaults, and balancing security with usability so protections don’t get turned off. The episode wraps with practical advice for individuals who believe they may be targeted—ranging from using hardware security keys, to seeking help from trusted organizations, to developing a mindset of verification and healthy skepticism. If you’re building products for real people—or you worry that you or your users might be a high‑value target—this episode offers clear, grounded insights on how to think about security when failure really matters. If you’re interested in real-world security strategies, zero trust, and the evolving challenges facing media organizations, this episode is a must-listen. Connect with the hosts and guests on LinkedIn to continue the conversation! 🎧 Listen, learn, and join the conversation! 🎧 Find us on LinkedIn, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music/Audible, iHeartRadio or our website, and leave a message with your thoughts or questions. Check out our 🌐website: https://invertedpm.com/ ✅  Subscribe for more deep dives into the world of inverted product management! ✅  🔗 Join the conversation in the Inverted Product Management community on LinkedIn. Inverted PM LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12902712/ #securitypm #ProductManagement #riskmanagement #risk #Cybersecurity #InvertedPM #TrustAndSafety #security #abuseprevention #userexperience #hacked #compromised Music by: Bensound License code: KQNVJHTWQEBEDSEA

    Inverted Podcast #20 — Targeted Attacks: Protecting High‑Risk People and Organizations

  7. Mar 30

    The Inverted Podcast #19: The Experience of Getting Hacked

    In this compelling episode of The Inverted Podcast, host Jeroen Kemperman is joined by co-hosts Dario Salice and Dana Kaufman, along with special guest Olivia, a travel content creator based in Switzerland. Olivia bravely shares her firsthand experience of being hacked—a story that highlights the real-world risks faced by digital creators and the importance of robust online security.Listeners will hear Olivia recount how a targeted phishing email, disguised as a legitimate collaboration request from a well-known brand, led to her Google and YouTube accounts being compromised. Despite having multiple layers of security, including two-factor authentication and backup recovery keys, Olivia describes how the attacker swiftly removed her access and the emotional impact of watching her accounts slip away in real time. The episode explores: The tactics used by hackers to exploit creators’ excitement and trustThe limitations of current recovery methods and security featuresThe critical lessons learned about digital vigilance and account protectionPractical advice for creators and product builders to improve security and user empathyOlivia’s story is a powerful reminder that even well-informed users can fall victim to sophisticated attacks. The hosts discuss how platforms and users alike can adapt to evolving threats, and Olivia offers actionable tips for anyone managing important online accounts. Be sure to check out Olivia's travel content on: 📱https://www.instagram.com/olliechinny 📱https://www.youtube.com/olliechinny Tune in for an honest, insightful conversation that will help you rethink your own digital security practices and inspire product teams to build safer, more empathetic experiences. If you’re interested in real-world security strategies, zero trust, and the evolving challenges facing media organizations, this episode is a must-listen. Connect with the hosts and guests on LinkedIn to continue the conversation! 🎧Listen, learn, and join the conversation!🎧Find us on LinkedIn, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music/Audible, iHeartRadio, and leave a message with your thoughts or questions. ✅  Subscribe for more deep dives into the world of inverted product management!✅  🔗 Join the conversation in the Inverted Product Management community on LinkedIn. Inverted PM LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12902712/ #SecurityPM #ProductManagement #riskmanagement #risk #Cybersecurity #InvertedPM #TrustAndSafety #security #abuseprevention #userexperience #hacked #compromised Music by: Bensound License code: KQNVJHTWQEBEDSEA

    The Inverted Podcast #19: The Experience of Getting Hacked

  8. Mar 11

    Inverted Podcast #18: Digital Legacy - Will You Continue to Live as AI, After You Die?

    🎙️ Inverted Podcast #18: Digital Legacy – Will You Continue to Live as AI After You Die? What happens to your digital life when you’re gone? In this episode of the Inverted Podcast, the hosts explore the emerging and deeply human topic of "digital legacy"—the data, accounts, and digital identities we leave behind when we die or become incapacitated. From locked email accounts and smart homes behaving strangely, to AI systems trained on your data that may continue acting “as you,” the conversation reveals just how unprepared most of us—and most companies—are for this reality. Joining the discussion is Dean H. Saxe, Principal Security Engineer at Remitly and a longtime identity expert, who shares his work with the OpenID Foundation’s "Death in the Digital Estate" community group. Together, the group unpacks what a digital estate really includes, why consent and access matter, and how poor handling of digital legacy can reopen emotional wounds, create security risks, or even lead to unintended impersonation after death. The episode also dives into: Real-world examples of digital legacy gone wrongThe rise of AI and unintentional “digital immortality”Why companies should treat death as a core product scenario—not an edge caseDelegated access vs. impersonation models for account managementThe role governments could play in validating death and incapacity digitallyPractical steps individuals can take today to better manage their digital estateThis is a thoughtful, sometimes unsettling, and often practical conversation about identity, security, and what it means to exist digitally—both during life and after it. 👉 Links mentioned in the episode, including the new OpenID Foundation paper and additional resources, can be found below. ➡️Why digital estates need standards, and why we need them now: https://openid.net/why-digital-estates-need-standards-and-why-we-need-them-now/ ➡️The Unfinished Digital Estate paper: https://openid.net/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/The-Unfinished-Digital-Estate-Final.pdf ➡️OpenID - Death and the Digital Estate (DADE) Community Group (get involved): https://openid.net/cg/death-and-the-digital-estate/ If you’re interested in real-world security strategies, zero trust, and the evolving challenges facing media organizations, this episode is a must-listen. 💥Connect with the hosts and guests on LinkedIn to continue the conversation!💥 🎧Listen, learn, and join the conversation! 🎧Find us on LinkedIn, Spotify, YouTube, Amazon Music/Audible, iHeartRadio, and leave a message with your thoughts or questions. ✅  Subscribe for more deep dives into the world of inverted product management! ✅ 🔗 Join the conversation in the Inverted Product Management community on LinkedIn. ➡️Inverted PM LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/12902712/ #SecurityPM #ProductManagement #riskmanagement #risk #Cybersecurity #InvertedPM #TrustAndSafety #security #abuseprevention #userexperience #hacked #compromised #AI Music by: Bensound License code: KQNVJHTWQEBEDSEA

    Inverted Podcast #18: Digital Legacy - Will You Continue to Live as AI, After You Die?
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This podcast series explores topics related to the creation and use of product in the areas of Security, privacy, online safety, infrastructure security etc. We call these people Inverted Product people because the primary goals for these product people are somehow inverted: success is "when nothing happens". There are fundamental differences in metrics, strategies, personas, communication, and road mapping from the ones of “traditional product teams”

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    Inverted Product Management Group on LinkedIn
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    25
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