CZ and Friends

Cecilia Ziniti
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CZ & Friends is a podcast about what it takes to lead and evolve legal in an era of exponential change. Hosted by Cecilia Ziniti, former General Counsel turned founder and CEO of GC AI, each episode features candid conversations with legal and business leaders who are building for scale, taking bold bets on technology, and leading with humanity. Whether you're a GC, operator, or in-house counsel, this podcast is your front-row seat to the future of legal.

  1. Sep 10

    Leading Legal Through Crisis and Global Growth with Barbara Barrilleaux, Brooks Running GC

    Barbara Barrilleaux is the VP of Legal and General Counsel at Brooks Running, the performance running brand owned by Berkshire Hathaway. She leads a 15-person global legal team covering everything from IP and contracts to compliance and privacy across 50+ countries. A former competitive swimmer and former IP litigator, Barbara has guided Brooks through more than a decade of serious growth, including the company's best quarter ever. Barbara gets specific about what it takes to run lean legal at a high-growth consumer brand: how she triages contracts by spend, IP exposure, and data risk; how Berkshire Hathaway's long-term ownership model gives her team room to operate; and what she learned from the scariest moment of her career, when a frivolous lawsuit in a foreign country froze the company's bank accounts overnight. She also shares how active listening helped her catch a bribery attempt early in her career, and why giving business partners context for your questions builds more trust than firing off a checklist. Barbara plays drums in a band called the Cozy Slippers (they toured Europe pre-pandemic), and she makes a compelling case that the skills of a good bandmate and a good GC are the same: humility, listening, and keeping your ego in check. Follow Barbara: @Barbara Barrilleaux on LinkedIn Show Notes: Berkshire Hathaway's ownership model: Brooks operates autonomously within the portfolio, giving legal the freedom to take a long-term view rather than chasing short-term results.Contract triage by risk: Barbara's team prioritizes contracts by dollar amount, IP involvement, data sensitivity, and security risk. Lower-risk deals get a light touch or no legal review at all.Frozen bank accounts abroad: A frivolous lawsuit in a foreign country led a judge to freeze all of Brooks' local bank accounts. The team leveraged Berkshire's banking relationships to route funds in and keep operations running.Catching a bribery attempt: Outside counsel proposed hiring a "professor" for a foreign lawsuit. After 30 minutes of questions, a multi-million-dollar price tag with no defined scope made it clear. Barbara escalated, fired the firm, and found new counsel.Active listening over 20 questions: Barbara gives business partners context for why she's asking rather than firing off a checklist, and reads body language to know when to pull back.Source of truth obsession: One accurate system for all corporate subsidiary information, globally. No regional one-pagers that drift out of sync.AI as a tool, not a replacement: AI helps the team get up to speed faster in unfamiliar jurisdictions, but judgment, relationships, and listening remain irreplaceable.Brand mission and fulfillment: Barbara connects to Brooks' mission of health and human connection even as a non-runner, and sees that alignment as core to what makes the work meaningful.Chapters: (00:00) Introduction (01:37) Selling a physical product vs. building tech (03:49) How customer obsession shows up in legal work (05:59) What's driving double-digit growth (07:18) The craving for real-life connection (09:16) Brooks' brand messaging and Berkshire Hathaway (13:15) Finding fulfillment in a consumer brand's mission (14:15) Inside the Berkshire Hathaway shareholders meeting (16:40) Authenticity in the age of AI (18:16) Supply chain disruption and oil-based materials (20:54) Scariest career moment: frozen bank accounts (24:23) Getting through a crisis with relationships (27:15) Preparing for the unpredictable in new markets (29:16) Advice to yourself in a crisis moment (32:56) Building the team and managing outside counsel (36:58) Contract triage: what to review and what to skip (39:00) Knowledge management and the source of truth problem (42:40) Catching a bribery attempt as a junior lawyer (44:42) Active listening as a leadership accelerant (46:44) Avoiding the "20 questions guy" (50:49) AI predictions: tool, not replacement (53:23) Lightning round: books, bands, and bandmate skills (54:17) Closing Follow us on all social platforms to get each new episode when it drops. ⁠@Cecilia Ziniti⁠ on LinkedIn ⁠@CeciliaZin⁠ on Twitter/X ⁠@GC AI⁠ on LinkedIn @gcai on X ⁠gc.ai⁠ website

    Leading Legal Through Crisis and Global Growth with Barbara Barrilleaux, Brooks Running GC

  2. Aug 19

    Building America’s First Digital-Only Bank as Employee #8 with Marina Gracias, Varo Bank CLO

    Marina Gracias is the Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary at Varo Bank, the first and only digital-only nationally chartered bank in the United States. She joined Varo as employee number eight before the company had a product in market, leaving a managing director role at Accenture to do it. Marina led the three-year process of securing a de novo bank charter through the OCC, the FDIC, and the Federal Reserve. Before Varo, she spent close to six years at Visa running global procurement, and a decade at Providian Financial as both a lawyer and business executive. She also serves on the board of UC Berkeley’s Haas School of Business. Marina walks through what it actually means to be a chartered bank versus a fintech marketing arm, why owning customer data and deposits changes everything from product development to AI strategy, and how she built a compliance culture by reframing legal as a partner rather than the department of no. She shares the moment the FDIC told Varo to withdraw its application and come back later, the advice she’d give Coinbase’s new GC Molly Abraham on building regulator relationships, and how her product lawyer uses AI to audit customer terms for consistency across every product Varo offers. Marina’s parting wisdom: be resilient. The opportunity that comes next is often better than the one that didn’t work out. Follow Marina: @Marina Gracias on LinkedIn Show Notes: Employee eight to CLO: Marina left a managing director role at Accenture to join Varo before it had a product, drawn by the mission of financial inclusion and a founding team of experienced bankers who understood regulation.Three-year charter marathon: The OCC, FDIC, and Fed each promised 120 days. It took three years and nearly a million dollars, with the FDIC withdrawing Varo’s application mid-process to restructure its own review sequence.Bank vs. fintech, explained: Most fintechs are marketing arms for banks. They don’t own the customer, the deposits, or the data. Varo’s charter gives it direct access to the Fed and the ability to offer services like Zelle that only banks can provide.Generalist advantage in banking: Marina credits her career longevity to expanding her skill set within financial services, from securitization to M&A to international banking, so she stayed relevant as each company evolved around her.Compliance culture: Legal asks the business “what are you trying to accomplish?” instead of defaulting to no, then finds a path that works within the regulations. Benchmarking competitors’ regulatory interpretations keeps the team flexible.AI across the legal function: Varo’s product lawyer uses AI to audit customer terms across products for consistency. Marina sees AI accelerating charter applications, policy drafting, and customer communications.Advice for new GCs in regulated industries: Build genuine relationships with your regulators, be transparent when issues arise, and keep the customer at the center of every decision.Chapters: (00:00) Introduction (00:10) Meet Marina Gracias, Varo Bank CLO (01:22) Why generalists make the best lawyers (03:28) Being intentional about career growth (06:05) Leaving Accenture for employee number eight (09:25) Meeting CEO Colin Walsh and taking the leap (10:46) When did you know Varo would succeed? (12:17) Moments of doubt during the bank charter process (14:38) Bank vs. fintech: what’s the real difference? (16:43) Owning your data and the customer relationship (17:14) What it means to be in-house at a startup bank (21:19) Fraud, cybersecurity, and the cat-and-mouse game (24:56) AI and technology waves in financial services (28:02) Using AI to audit customer terms for consistency (31:53) Keeping a small legal team at a high bar (33:55) Creating a culture of compliance (38:55) Advice for Coinbase’s new GC Molly Abraham (41:47) Lightning round: stay curious, Built to Last, and be resilient Follow us on all social platforms to get each new episode when it drops. ⁠@Cecilia Ziniti⁠ on LinkedIn ⁠@CeciliaZin⁠ on Twitter/X ⁠@GC AI⁠ on LinkedIn @gcai on X ⁠gc.ai⁠ website

    Building America’s First Digital-Only Bank as Employee #8 with Marina Gracias, Varo Bank CLO

  3. Aug 13

    Building Legal Ops from Scratch with Kimberly Woodward, VP and Head of Legal at OVERJET

    Kim Woodward wasn't looking for a new job when Okta's sales rep reached out. She was happy at her boutique law firm, working closely with clients, and had zero interest in going in-house. But after meeting the team, believing in the mission, and learning she'd have a train buddy for the commute, she took the leap as Okta's third attorney. What followed was an 11-year journey through an IPO, a heated showdown with the CTO over a code scan that nearly got her fired, and the creation of an entire legal operations function that her own GC initially dismissed as "not a thing." Today, Kim leads a legal ops team of 15, serves as Chief of Staff to Okta's CLO, and oversees a legal department approaching 100 people. In this conversation, Kim gets real about what it takes to build from the inside: the persuasion, the vulnerability, the willingness to raise your hand (and your voice), and why the best legal leaders never stop learning, even when it means admitting they don't know what an MCP is. Follow Kimberly: @Kimberly Woodward on LinkedIn  In this episode, Kim shares: The elevator story: how a heated confrontation with Okta's CTO over a code scan ended with a quiet "thank you" months later.How she pitched legal ops to a skeptical GC and got the green light (plus the "embarrassing" deck that made it happen).Her "Three Hats" framework for in-house lawyers: the human hat, the business hat, and the lawyer hat.Why she hired a dedicated AI person on her legal ops team and ran a Shark Tank-style AI hackathon for her global legal team.The case for lawyers learning to "do numbers" (and why she wishes she could go back and slap her past self for saying "I went to law school, not math school").Why staying at one company for over a decade felt like working at multiple companies.Chapters 00:00 Intro01:02 Welcome and first impressions02:22 How Kim landed at Okta (and the train buddy that sealed the deal)05:54 Sensing the IPO before it happened07:59 The open source code scan story begins11:45 Confronting the CTO: "Your opinion doesn't matter. It's happening."14:30 The elevator moment: did he ever say thank you?18:42 Why Kim pitched legal ops in 201819:07 "Legal ops is not a thing" and the deck that changed everything24:38 Memory lane: building the team from two hires to fifteen30:36 Hiring a dedicated AI person for legal ops33:02 Keeping a 100-person team engaged with AI38:23 The "Three Hats" framework: human, business, lawyer43:32 The business hat: why lawyers need to learn numbers45:09 "I went to law school, not math school" (and why she regrets saying it)49:20 How to think about ROI on tools, counsel, and headcount51:32 What's kept Kim at Okta for 11 years55:22 Lightning Round: mentors, persuasion, and the bullhorn storyFollow us on all social platforms to get each new episode when it drops. ⁠@Cecilia Ziniti⁠ on LinkedIn ⁠@CeciliaZin⁠ on Twitter/X ⁠@GC AI⁠ on LinkedIn @gcai on X ⁠gc.ai⁠ website

    Building Legal Ops from Scratch with Kimberly Woodward, VP and Head of Legal at OVERJET

  4. Jul 29

    Greenfield to Gold Standard: Building Legal From Scratch with Alisha Cieslak, Gordon Food Service

    Alisha Cieslak is the former Chief Legal and Risk Officer of Gordon Food Service, the North American food service distributor operating since 1897 across the U.S. and Canada. She joined in 2014 as employee number one in the legal department, when the company was already a $10 billion operation across a dozen states with no in-house lawyer, no active-matters list, no board legal reports, and no files. Over roughly a decade she scaled from that greenfield start to a 150-plus-person enterprise team spanning legal, risk, IT, and food safety and quality, at what grew into a $20 billion company. Follow Alisha: @Alisha Cieslak on LinkedIn In this conversation, Alisha covers: Her "Greenfield to Gold Standard" framework: assess the legal needs, pressure test culture and board risk tolerance, then design a strategy that fits the company.Why a good culture is the best risk mitigation strategy, tested through a "chief listening officer" tour riding delivery trucks and working in stores.How she built a tech-enabled team so legal never became a bottleneck at the pace of food service.How privately held family companies approach risk differently from public ones.Why the law firms that win the AI era will move to value-based billing, and how GFS got 48 months ahead on AI governance.She closes with a candid personal thread she has not discussed publicly: an early cancer diagnosis in 2021 during the COVID response, a recurrence, and later becoming full-time caregiver for her mother, and how that reshaped what she believes about subordinating health and identity to the job. (00:00) Introduction (01:30) Greenfield to Gold Standard: the framework (03:04) Walking into a $10B company with no legal function (05:00) Building a tech-enabled team at the pace of food service (07:03) The listening tour and clearing the backlog (09:16) Culture as the best risk mitigation strategy (11:32) The no-pre-approval deal with the family (14:43) What Gordon Food Service actually does, and riding the truck (19:04) The secret sauce: the Gordon family and Paul Gordon's innovations (24:57) Scaling from employee number one to enterprise leader (30:54) Proudest project: the 125th anniversary campaign (35:45) Risk in private, family-owned companies (41:05) How regulated the food industry really is (43:59) The Italian Culinary Institute and family food roots (47:46) The AI journey and the future of law firm billing (55:46) The health wake-up call and redefining success (1:00:48) What's next Follow us on all social platforms to get each new episode when it drops. ⁠@Cecilia Ziniti⁠ on LinkedIn ⁠@CeciliaZin⁠ on Twitter/X ⁠@GC AI⁠ on LinkedIn @gcai on X ⁠gc.ai⁠ website

    Greenfield to Gold Standard: Building Legal From Scratch with Alisha Cieslak, Gordon Food Service

  5. Jul 17

    The Blackberry Era of Legal AI with Tina Hwang, ClassDojo Head of Legal

    Tina Hwang has a spicy take: legal compliance is table stakes. If you're building technology that parents trust with their kids, meeting the legal bar is where the conversation starts. Tina is the Head of Legal at ClassDojo, the platform connecting teachers, parents, and kids in classrooms worldwide. Before ClassDojo, she spent over a decade at Google, Twitter, WhatsApp, and Meta, building product counsel teams of up to 35 lawyers. She started her career as a software developer, a background that still shapes how she thinks about product design and trust. In this conversation, Tina covers: Why she asks engineers to think like parents of teenagers, not cite COPPA.The location-sharing feature that drew urgent feedback from domestic violence survivors.Why she hires for curiosity over credentials.The 80% answer, and why delivering it confidently beats waiting for 100%.Her Friday afternoon ritual of experimenting with AI tools.Why we're in the "Blackberry era" of legal AI. Follow Tina: @Tina Hwang on LinkedIn Show notes: - Trust beyond compliance: Legal compliance is just one input when building products for kids. Designing for trust means recreating human relationship fundamentals: transparency, consistency, and control. - User empathy in product reviews: Instead of leading with COPPA, Tina asks engineers to think like parents of a 14-year-old. That reframing changes how teams approach design. - Location sharing and unintended harm: Default-on location features drew immediate pushback from domestic violence survivors, a case study in why fast feedback loops and the ability to pivot matter. - The product counsel model: Embedded product counsel, a concept Tina traces to Google, lets lawyers calibrate risk in real time rather than advising from the sidelines. - Hiring for curiosity: Tina now prioritizes innate curiosity and adaptability over pedigree, especially as AI reshapes how legal teams operate. - The 80% answer: Delivering the 80% answer with confidence is often better for the business than holding out for 100% certainty. - WhatsApp payments in India: A 24-hour political window, a notarized government document signed at home during COVID. Global launches are as much about politics as law. - The Blackberry era of AI: Within three years, every legal workflow will incorporate AI the same way mobile phones became invisible infrastructure. (01:07) Introduction (01:53) What is ClassDojo (03:24) Why compliance is just table stakes (08:01) Grounding legal advice in real user scenarios (11:40) User empathy as a product design discipline (14:29) Location sharing and domestic violence survivors (16:21) The origins of the product counsel role (19:59) What Tina is most proud of in her career (22:15) Building a team of 35: hiring for curiosity (25:18) Why perfectionism holds lawyers back (27:23) Delivering the 80% answer with confidence (30:13) Launching WhatsApp payments in India during COVID (34:48) Power and responsibility at Meta-scale (39:12) The Blackberry era of legal AI (42:38) Turning the tables: from GC to CEO (46:16) Focusing on opportunity over risk (49:19) Parting advice: stay curious, stay flexible Follow us on all social platforms to get each new episode when it drops. ⁠@Cecilia Ziniti⁠ on LinkedIn ⁠@CeciliaZin⁠ on Twitter/X ⁠@GC AI⁠ on LinkedIn @gcai on X ⁠gc.ai⁠ website

    The Blackberry Era of Legal AI with Tina Hwang, ClassDojo Head of Legal

  6. Jun 24

    Building Legal as the Company's Air Traffic Control with Ekumene Lysonge, NerdWallet CLO

    Ekumene Lysonge is the Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary at NerdWallet, where he leads a combined Trust and Safety organization of 34 people spanning legal, security, compliance, and privacy across a public fintech platform that serves 25 million+ customers a month.  With operational experience across corporate America before legal leadership, he credits that time as a business operator with shaping his approach: business-centric first, risk-centric second. His team is three-quarters of the way through automating their routine legal workflows with agentic AI solutions. Ekumene says legal should function like air traffic control: making sure ideas take off, land safely, and never crash. That's why he merged legal, security, compliance, and privacy into one Trust and Safety org at NerdWallet.  He and Cecilia talk about what it looks like to say yes first and make it durable, how his team evaluates AI chatbots in the sandbox before they ship, and why he's comfortable operating at 70-75% accuracy in an AI-powered legal function. Ekumene also shares the reflecting-pool conversation with a mentor that reoriented his entire approach to problem-solving: stop over-engineering; start with common sense. Follow Ekumene: @Ekumene Lysonge on LinkedIn Show notes: - Trust and Safety as a unified org: Ekumene broke down the silos between legal, security, compliance, and privacy at NerdWallet, rebranding them under one umbrella where legal protects customer trust and security protects customer safety. - Business-centric risk tolerance: Ekumene approaches every conversation as business-centric first, not risk-centric. His philosophy: you need to always be in a position to say yes, but the yes has to be durable enough to stand up to scrutiny. - Eyes wide open decision-making: How Ekumene frames one-way-door decisions for the executive team and the board, making sure everyone locks arms before crossing a threshold that has no return ticket. - AI governance at a public fintech: How NerdWallet balances a culture of rapid experimentation and vibe coding with scaled governance, and why Ekumene believes legal needs to advise at the same velocity the business creates. - Deploying agentic AI in legal: How Ekumene's team cataloged every routine workflow, prioritized low-risk use cases like vendor agreements and NDAs, and is now building an AI-powered "ask me anything" Slack agent to eliminate 30+ daily triage questions per person. - The case for legal operations: Ekumene's top tip for GCs diving into AI: if you don't have a legal operations function, get one. He calls it a non-negotiable for any in-house team that wants to scale. (00:00) Introduction (01:04) Why Ekumene built the Trust and Safety org (04:54) NerdWallet's business model and how trust shows up (08:10) Setting risk priorities at a public fintech company (11:24) Pragmatic risk-taking: saying yes, but making it durable (14:45) One-way doors and "eyes wide open" decisions (16:08) AI governance and scaling creativity with discipline (21:07) Product counsel in the room: the Air Canada chatbot breakdown (27:02) Customer-first lawyering (even when it makes you cringe) (30:08) Legal as an operating system, not a bottleneck (35:08) Picking AI use cases and top tips for GCs implementing AI (39:29) The Slack triage win: building an AI-powered ask-me-anything agent (41:51) Lightning round: the mentor who taught common sense problem-solving (45:15) Takeaway: decision discipline and the future of in-house legal Follow us on all social platforms to get each new episode when it drops. ⁠@Cecilia Ziniti⁠ on LinkedIn ⁠@CeciliaZin⁠ on Twitter/X ⁠@GC AI⁠ on LinkedIn @gcai on X ⁠gc.ai⁠ website

    Building Legal as the Company's Air Traffic Control with Ekumene Lysonge, NerdWallet CLO

  7. Jun 17

    "Yes If" Thinking: Sharon Johnson of MODE Global on AI, Logistics and Legal Leadership

    Sharon Johnson took a winding path to the GC seat. Before law school, she worked in marketing, sales, project management, and contract management at Verizon, and she credits that experience with shaping how she leads legal today. As Chief Legal Officer, Corporate Secretary, and Chief Compliance Officer at MODE Global, she runs a team of six lawyers across a $3 billion logistics business, with 100% AI adoption and KPIs to prove it. Her team was a finalist for Best Use of AI at the 2026 Legalweek Leaders in Tech Awards, alongside Meta, Uber, and DHL. In this episode, Sharon walks through her "Yes If" framework for keeping the business moving forward instead of defaulting to no, how she cold-called the GC of Verizon (who happened to be Bill Barr) while still in law school, and the full-circle story of returning as general counsel to the company that once turned her down for a contract manager role. She and Cecilia also get into what AI adoption looks like on a lean legal team, why judgment matters more than speed, and the career advice she wishes she'd heard earlier: having a lot of ideas can be as dangerous as having none. Follow Sharon: @Sharon Johnson on LinkedIn Show notes: AI adoption that works: Sharon tracks KPIs, saves the equivalent of two headcounts per week using AI, and has achieved 100% adoption across her legal team. Working in the business before law school: Sharon's time in contract management, sales, and project management at Verizon gave her a commercial fluency that law school alone cannot teach. Her advice for aspiring GCs: go work in the business first. Cold calling as a career strategy: Sharon cold-called the General Counsel of Verizon while in law school, got career-defining advice, and later became GC of the company that once turned her down for a contract management role. Judgment in the age of AI: Why Sharon believes judgment becomes more valuable as AI handles more of the work, and what she looks for when hiring now. Tariffs, logistics, and regulatory monitoring: How Sharon uses AI to track federal register notices, executive orders, and trade policy signals so her team can advise the business before issues require action. Building a lean legal team: What it takes to run a $3 billion business with six lawyers, and why Sharon says there is no place to hide when you are lean. (00:00) Introduction (01:19) Sharon's business-first background before law school (02:35) Contract management at Verizon and what AI changes about that role (05:48) Why working in the business before practicing law is a career advantage (08:11) The "Yes If" framework for decision-making (09:13) "Yes If" in action: structuring a deal in Mexico (11:34) Running a six-lawyer team across a $3B business (14:27) Strategic work AI unlocks: compliance, risk assessments, regulatory monitoring (17:00) 100% AI adoption and how the business has noticed (18:41) How AI changes who you hire (20:44) Why judgment becomes more valuable with AI, not less (22:37) Cold calling as a career hack (25:03) The CompuCom full-circle story (27:03) Getting comfortable being uncomfortable (31:36) Collaboration and the Women's General Counsel Network (34:08) Lightning round: myths, mentors, and books (35:31) The Bezos lesson on having too many ideas (37:04) Closing reflection: a closed door is not a permanent door Follow us on all social platforms to get each new episode when it drops. ⁠@Cecilia Ziniti⁠ on LinkedIn ⁠@CeciliaZin⁠ on Twitter/X ⁠@GC AI⁠ on LinkedIn @gcai on X ⁠gc.ai⁠ website

    "Yes If" Thinking: Sharon Johnson of MODE Global on AI, Logistics and Legal Leadership

  8. Jun 10

    The GC-to-Board Playbook, with Executive Coach Anne Marie Segal

    Anne Marie Segal spent 15 years as an attorney - at White and Case, a hedge and private equity fund, and her own firm - before becoming an executive coach to general counsel and senior executives across six continents. She knows what it takes to make the leap, and what holds most lawyers back from making it. In this episode, Cecilia and Anne Marie get into the psychology behind lawyer identity, why so many high achievers stay stuck, and what it looks like to grow beyond the legal function, whether that means taking on a board seat, building toward a CEO role, or starting something entirely new. Follow Anne: @Anne Marie Segal on LinkedIn segalcoaching.com You'll hear: Why the GC role is expanding faster than ever and what the best ones are doing about itThe mindset shift lawyers have to make before they can get on a board (hint: you are not the GC on the board)How to know if you have a fatal flaw blocking your next move  and what to do about itWhat AI is changing for junior lawyers, senior lawyers, and everyone in betweenThe one question every lawyer should be asking themselves right now: what wouldn't you want to delegate?00:00 Introduction 01:03 Anne Marie's "When Harry Met Sally" moment leaving law for coaching 04:06 The fear behind staying: money, identity, and worst-case scenarios 07:38 Anne Marie's career path: White and Case, hedge funds, and letting go 12:50 Shedding the lawyer identity without losing what makes you good 17:03 Why lawyers are uniquely valuable and what that actually means 18:45 The expanding GC role: 70% of Fortune 1000 GCs now own two or more functions 25:07 GCs and board seats: the mindset shift most lawyers miss 30:36 Fatal flaws and how to find yours before they find you 36:11 AI and the legal profession: what boards are asking and what students are getting wrong 40:53 Advice for junior lawyers: what wouldn't you want to delegate? 44:54 One thing every week: how to actually make the move 47:21 Lightning round: the book that shaped Anne Marie and what she wishes she'd known before law school Follow us on all social platforms to get each new episode when it drops. ⁠@Cecilia Ziniti⁠ on LinkedIn ⁠@CeciliaZin⁠ on Twitter/X ⁠@GC AI⁠ on LinkedIn @gcai on X ⁠gc.ai⁠ website

    The GC-to-Board Playbook, with Executive Coach Anne Marie Segal
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CZ & Friends is a podcast about what it takes to lead and evolve legal in an era of exponential change. Hosted by Cecilia Ziniti, former General Counsel turned founder and CEO of GC AI, each episode features candid conversations with legal and business leaders who are building for scale, taking bold bets on technology, and leading with humanity. Whether you're a GC, operator, or in-house counsel, this podcast is your front-row seat to the future of legal.

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  • Creator
    Cecilia Ziniti
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    46
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