Trial & Error & Error Podcast

Trial & Error & Error Podcast

Two work besties thriving in their late 20s, (or attempting to). Relationships, work, family, society expectations... And the return of Lindsay Lohan. You know what they say: ”3rd time’s the charm!” Our goal is to make ”Fetch” happen.

  1. Oct 28

    61. Should I start a Podcast? Hobbies in your late 20s

    🎙️ Get a Hobby, Girl! — Your Late 20s Need a Little More Play 🎨🧶💅 Quick question: What do you do for fun? And no, scrolling TikTok, online shopping, going to brunch and having a minor existential crisis every Sunday evening don't all count as hobbies. 👀 Remember when we were kids and we'd randomly decide to become dancers, painters, singers or professional friendship bracelet makers? No qualifications. No five-year plans. Just ✨ vibes and questionable talent ✨. Fast-forward to our late twenties, and suddenly everything needs to be productive, profitable or worthy of a LinkedIn update. WHEN DID HAVING FUN BECOME SO COMPLICATED?! 😭 This week, we're entering our ✨ hobby era ✨ and discussing why having something you love outside of work, relationships and responsibilities might just be the secret to surviving adulthood. We're talking about the rise of grandma hobbies (crochet is hot, apparently 🧶), the psychology behind why hobbies make us happier, why we're obsessed with turning everything into a side hustle, and how to find a hobby that fits your budget, lifestyle and already overcrowded Google Calendar. And because we love a little self-reflection, we're using our very own podcast as a case study. What started as two work besties thinking "Should we start a podcast?" somehow turned into microphones, editing, research, questionable jokes and an actual audience. Who gave us permission?! 🎙️😂 ✨ Key Takeaways 🧠 Hobbies are good for your brain (and your sanity). Research links leisure activities with greater happiness, life satisfaction and overall wellbeing. 🧶 Grandma was onto something. Crochet, pottery, gardening, book clubs and other cosy hobbies are making a comeback. Apparently, being 28 is the new 78. 👯‍♀️ Hobbies can help you find your people. From run clubs to crafting circles, shared interests can turn strangers into friends. 💸 Not everything needs to be a side hustle. You can bake a cake without opening a bakery. You can enjoy reading without starting BookTok. Revolutionary, we know. 🤡 You're allowed to be bad at things. Your first painting can look like a crime scene. Your first podcast can sound like it was recorded inside a washing machine. That's part of the fun. 📅 Find a hobby that fits your actual life. Consider your budget, time, energy and whether you want social connection or some much-needed peace and quiet. 💕 Try the Three-Date Rule. Give a new hobby three attempts before deciding whether it's for you. Sometimes you don't hate the activity—you just hate being a beginner. 🎙️ Start before you're ready. If we'd waited until we knew exactly what we were doing, this podcast probably wouldn't exist. 💌 Your Homework Pick ONE thing you've always wanted to try. Book that pottery class. Join that run club. Dust off your old guitar. Start writing terrible poetry. Convince your bestie to start a podcast. And most importantly, give yourself permission to be spectacularly mediocre at it. No monetisation strategy. No personal brand. No pressure to become the next big thing. Just you, a new hobby and a little ✨ character development ✨. 📚 Resources & Sources 🧠 Scientific Research Kuykendall, L., Tay, L. & Ng, V. (2015). Leisure Engagement and Subjective Well-Being: A Meta-Analysis. Psychological Bulletin, 141(2), 364–403. Wheatley, D. & Bickerton, C. (2017). Subjective Well-Being and Engagement in Arts, Culture and Sport. Journal of Cultural Economics, 41, 23–45. Wheatley, D. & Bickerton, C. (2019). Measuring Changes in Subjective Well-Being from Engagement in the Arts, Culture and Sport. Journal of Cultural Economics, 43, 421–442. Keyes, H. et al. (2024). Creating Arts and Crafting Positively Predicts Subjective Wellbeing. Frontiers in Public Health. Putney, H. et al. (2024). Why Does Creativity Foster Well-Being? Autonomy, Competence, and Relatedness During Everyday Creative Activities. Journal of Research in Personality. 📊 Trends & Statistics Strava (2024). Year in Sport: The Trend Report. Exploring the growth of running clubs, group fitness and social connections through exercise. Eventbrite (2025). Fourth Spaces: Gen Z and Millennials Bridge Their Digital and Physical Worlds. Exploring the popularity of hobby-based communities and in-person activities. 🎧 Further Listening & Watching The Psychology of Your 20s — “Why Having Hobbies Is So Important” The Psychology of Your 20s — “You Need More Hobbies... Here's How You Do It” Quarter-Life Questions — “How to Find a Hobby as an Adult (And Why You Need One in Your 20s)” Teach Me How To Adult — “We Don't Have Hobbies Anymore... And It's Making Us Depressed & Bored” Tabitha Dell'Angelo — TEDx Talk: Act Your Age! How and Why to Play Like an Adult 🎧 So grab your headphones, abandon your productivity guilt and come have a little fun with us. Because your twenties aren't just for building a career, finding love and figuring out your taxes. They're also for discovering that you really, really enjoy making ugly little ceramic bowls. 🏺💖 And honestly? We love that for you. 💬 Tell us: What's one hobby you've always wanted to try?

  2. Oct 7

    60. Is ‘the ick’ intuition or self-sabotage?

    🎧 The Ick: Intuition or Self-Sabotage? 🤢💘🧠 He ran for the bus. He missed it. You watched the whole thing happen. And suddenly… you can never look at him the same way again. 😭 Welcome to THE ICK — that horrifying moment when someone you were perfectly attracted to does one tiny, inexplicable thing and your entire body responds with: absolutely not. But is the ick actually your intuition screaming “girl, RUN 🚩”… or is your brain desperately searching for an escape route because someone emotionally available had the audacity to like you back? 👀 In this episode, we're putting the ick under the microscope. 🔬 We’re looking at where the term came from, how Love Island and social media turned it into a dating phenomenon, and — plot twist — what actual psychological research has to say about it. We’re talking disgust, attraction, attachment, perfectionism, dating apps, choice overload, relationship self-sabotage and intuition to figure out whether your ick deserves to be trusted… or interrogated. Because there's a VERY big difference between: 🚩 “He is rude to waiters.” and 😭 “I saw him running with a backpack on.” One might be useful information. The other might require us to collectively log off TikTok. ✨ Key Takeaways 🤢 The ick is actually being studied. Recent psychological research describes it as a sudden feeling of disgust toward a potential romantic partner, often triggered by seemingly minor behaviours. 📊 You're definitely not alone. One 2025 study found that around 64% of participants had experienced the ick, with women reporting it more frequently than men. 🧠 Disgust has a purpose. Our brains evolved disgust responses partly to help us avoid threats — but that doesn't mean every disgust reaction is an accurate warning about someone's suitability as a partner. 🚩 An ick and a red flag are NOT the same thing. Disrespect, dishonesty, cruelty and incompatible values deserve attention. The way someone runs for the tram… perhaps less so. 🛡️ Sometimes the ick might be self-protection. If you suddenly start finding flaws the moment someone becomes emotionally available, vulnerability — rather than incompatibility — might be the real problem. 📱 Modern dating may be making us pickier. Research on online dating suggests that evaluating large numbers of potential partners can create a “rejection mindset,” where we're increasingly likely to say next. 💭 Your intuition isn't nonsense — but it isn't infallible either. Automatic feelings about our partners can contain meaningful information, but our reactions can also reflect fears, expectations, perfectionism and learned associations. 💘 Everyone is eventually cringe. Long-term intimacy means witnessing another human being run awkwardly, sneeze weirdly, wear questionable pyjamas and occasionally embarrass themselves. Unfortunately, babe… you are also somebody's potential ick. 🧪 Try our ICK CHECK™ Before throwing away a perfectly good situationship because they said “yummy”, ask yourself: What actually happened? Is this about my values or my aesthetics? Would it bother me if nobody else saw it? Did the ick appear when intimacy increased? Is this a one-off moment or a genuine pattern? Our final verdict? Listen to the ick — but don't automatically obey it. Your feelings are information. They aren't always instructions. 💅🏽 Sometimes your body is saying “danger.” 🚩 Sometimes it's saying “we're incompatible.” 💔 And sometimes it's saying “I just watched that man chase a ping-pong ball and I need 3–5 business days to recover.” 🏓😭 📚 Resources & Sources Collisson, B., Saunders, E. & Yin, C. (2025). The ick: Disgust sensitivity, narcissism, and perfectionism in mate choice thresholds. Personality and Individual Differences, 238, 113086. — One of the key empirical studies specifically investigating “the ick,” including its relationship with disgust sensitivity and perfectionism. Peel, R. & Caltabiano, N. (2021). The Relationship Sabotage Scale: An evaluation of factor analyses and constructive validity. BMC Psychology, 9, 146. — Research into relationship self-sabotage, including defensiveness, trust difficulties and relationship skills. Pronk, T. M. & Denissen, J. J. A. (2020). A Rejection Mind-Set: Choice Overload in Online Dating. Social Psychological and Personality Science, 11(3), 388–396. — Research examining how repeatedly evaluating potential partners online can increase rejection. Thomas, M. F., Binder, A. & Matthes, J. (2022). The agony of partner choice: The effect of excessive partner availability on fear of being single, self-esteem, and partner choice overload. Computers in Human Behavior, 126, 106977. — Research into what happens psychologically when dating apps make us feel like we have endless options. Peters et al. (2021). Newlywed Couples' Own and Partner Sexual Disgust Sensitivities Interact to Predict Their Marital Satisfaction Through Their Sexual Satisfaction. Archives of Sexual Behavior. — Research exploring sexual disgust sensitivity within romantic relationships. Faure, R. (2024). Automatic partner attitudes: Sources, implications, and future directions. Social and Personality Psychology Compass. — A review of research into our automatic positive and negative evaluations of romantic partners and what those reactions may tell us. Turner, J. A. & McNulty, J. K. (2020). Automatic partner attitudes and daily experiences of mood and relationship satisfaction. Journal of Family Psychology, 34(8), 1036–1045. Murray, S. L., Holmes, J. G. & Pinkus, R. T. (2010). A smart unconscious? Procedural origins of automatic partner attitudes in marriage. Journal of Experimental Social Psychology, 46(4), 650–656. O'Halloran, M. (2026). The Ick Factor: Explaining the Term Through Lenses of Sexual Disgust and Avoidant Attachment Style. CUNY City College. 🎧 Pop culture homework: Love Island, Sex and the City, Seinfeld, Friends, Love Is Blind and Nobody Wants This — because apparently we've been watching people get the ick long before TikTok gave us a word for it. Disclaimer: We're podcast hosts, not your therapist. This episode discusses psychological research for entertainment and educational purposes and should not be treated as individual mental-health or relationship advice. And no, unfortunately, science cannot tell you whether his skinny jeans are a legitimate reason to end the relationship. 💀

  3. Sep 23

    59. Living La Vida Loca - Being in the Friendzone

    You are not being dramatic. You may simply be in the friendzone. 😬 This week on Trial & Error & Error, we’re unpacking the awkward, confusing, occasionally delusional world of unrequited feelings. What exactly is the friendzone?  Why do admirers keep hanging around when the romantic memo has clearly been marked “no”? And why can the person doing the rejecting sometimes feel even worse? From back burners and emotional loopholes to “I’m not ready for a relationship” and the timeless classic, “You’re like a sibling to me,” we explore the psychology behind wanting to be loved, wanting to keep someone close, and mistaking intermittent attention for a grand romantic destiny. We also ask whether the friendzone is really the romantic dead-end pop culture makes it out to be. Spoiler: friendship is actually one of the most common ways romantic relationships begin. So perhaps the real problem isn’t friendship—it’s staying on the emotional waiting list long after the position has been filled. 🤔 Expect research, personal stories, questionable romantic decisions, and at least one reminder that “he’s not that into you” is sometimes the closure you were waiting for. 💡 Key Takeaways The friendzone is less “no to the person” and more “no to romance.” Admirers may stay because of hope, fantasy, emotional closeness, and intermittent rewards. Rejectors can experience guilt, pressure, confusion, and their own kind of emotional discomfort. “Back burners” are people kept in low-level romantic or emotional contact—just in case. Friendship is not the enemy of romance: many relationships begin as friendships. Clear communication and boundaries are kinder than keeping someone permanently on standby. You cannot convince someone to choose you—and you shouldn’t have to. 📚 Resources & Sources Stinson, Cameron & Hoplock (2022) — The Friends-to-Lovers Pathway to Romance  Baumeister & Wotman — Breaking Hearts: The Two Sides of Unrequited Love LeFebvre et al. (2022) — Conceptualizing the Friendzone Phenomenon Bleske-Rechek et al. (2012) — Benefit or Burden? Attraction in Cross-Sex Friendship Back-burner relationship research — Dibble, Drouin and colleagues UAntwerpen research repository  iResearchNet: Unrequited Love Psychology Today: “And You Think You’ve Got It Bad” The mental-health benefits of platonic relationships   ‼️We apologize for the inconsistent audio quality in this episode. We recorded fully online, which caused some technical limitations and differences in sound quality between speakers. Thank you for your patience and understanding—and we hope you still enjoy the conversation! ❤️

  4. Aug 26

    58. The world has missed out on this Oyster - The 10 biggest mistakes of your 20s

    Your 20s are basically: iced coffee ☕️, questionable texts 📱, and the bold confidence to say “I’ll start budgeting next week” 💸. So… naturally, we made an episode about it 🎙️✨ In this week’s chaos-coded chat, we’re breaking down the 10 biggest mistakes people make in their twenties — from thinking you need to have life “figured out” by 25 🫠, to building your entire personality around your job 💼, to staying in situationships that ended 3 business months ago 💔. It’s funny, it’s a little brutal 😅, it’s wildly relatable, and it might save you from at least one emotional support spiral 🌀 Expect laughs 😂, research-backed reality checks 🧠, and plenty of “wait… I do that” moments 😭 Key takeaways (aka your gentle wake-up call) ✅ You’re not behind — you’re just early ⏳💛 Your 20s are literally designed for experimenting, failing, pivoting, and trying again. Your job is something you do, not who you are 💼≠🧍 Having multiple “identities” (friend, hobbyist, gym-goer, menace) makes you more resilient. Money avoidance is expensive 💸📉 Compound interest doesn’t care that you were “too young to think about investing.” Love shouldn’t feel like a full-time emergency 🚨❤️ Chaos isn’t chemistry. Confidence is a reward, not a prerequisite 🏃‍♀️➡️😌 Action first, confidence later. Almost nothing is permanent 🔁🌍 Careers change, people reinvent themselves, and you’re allowed to pivot without a dramatic rebrand. Resources & sources mentioned 📚🔍 Books 📖 Meg Jay — The Defining Decade Morgan Housel — The Psychology of Money Ramit Sethi — I Will Teach You to Be Rich Bill Perkins — Die With Zero Brené Brown — The Gifts of Imperfection James Clear — Atomic Habits Oliver Burkeman — Four Thousand Weeks Research / concepts 🧠 Arnett, J. J. (2000) — Emerging Adulthood: A Theory of Development From the Late Teens Through the Twenties (American Psychologist) Arnett, J. J. (2014) — Emerging Adulthood: The Winding Road from the Late Teens Through the Twenties Jay, M. (2012) — clinical work & research on the developmental importance of your twenties Harvard Study of Adult Development (ongoing) — long-term findings on relationships, wellbeing, life satisfaction Kahneman, D. & Tversky, A. — decision-making research (incl. Sunk Cost Fallacy) World Health Organization (WHO) — young adult health & prevention guidance OECD — financial literacy and youth economic wellbeing reports Podcast / video inspiration 🎧📺 The Diary of a CEO (Steven Bartlett) On Purpose with Jay Shetty The Mel Robbins Podcast The Psychology of Your 20s The School of Life (YouTube) TED Talks: Meg Jay (“Why 30 Is Not the New 20”), Brené Brown (“The Power of Vulnerability”)

  5. Aug 12

    57. Toxic Friendships

    You know that friend who swears they’re happy for you… but somehow their “compliments” sting like a wax strip? Yeah. This episode is for that. 😬💅🔥 In “Toxic Friendships”, we dive into the glamorous, confusing, low-key unhinged world of the frenemy: the “bestie” who’s weirdly competitive, suspiciously jealous, and about as trustworthy as a man who says “I’m just going to the bathroom” at a party. We break down what actually makes a frenemy (spoiler: it’s not just “being a bit shady”), how frenemies are different from messy-but-real ambivalent relationships, and why some of us keep these people in our lives anyway (hello, shared friend groups and workplace politics). Expect philosophy, psychology, petty anecdotes, and a loving reminder that boundaries are hotter than revenge. 📚🧠🍿🚧 ✨ Key takeaways Frenemies aren’t just “bad friends”: the pattern is usually competition + jealousy + lack of trust. Ambivalent relationships (high highs + low lows) can still mess with your health—sometimes more than you’d expect. Frenemies often happen when: you used to be real friends, you’re stuck in the same social circle/work/class, the relationship survives on proximity, not peace. You don’t always need to “cut them off dramatically in a restaurant.” Sometimes the move is awareness + boundaries + distance. 🔎 Resources & sources (mentioned in the episode) Delaney & Malakhova (2018) — Philosophy Now article discussing frenemies as a friendship “façade” with underlying resentment. Williams & Packer-Williams (2019) — Work discussing frenemies and relational aggression (and how definitions can get gendered). Research on ambivalent relationships and health outcomes (e.g., links to cardiovascular stress, blood pressure, depression, and interpersonal conflict). Aristotle’s classic friend categories (pleasure, utility, virtue) — and our unofficial addition: the frenemy, obviously.

  6. Aug 5

    56. Show Me the Money: How to Ask for a Raise

    Ever rehearsed asking for a raise... only to convince yourself you're being "too greedy" five minutes later? Yeah, us too. 😅 In this episode, we're diving into one of the most nerve-wracking conversations of your career: asking for more money. We unpack whether it's actually okay to ask for a raise in your first few years, why Millennials and Gen Z are changing jobs more than ever, how to figure out what you're really worth, and the exact questions you should ask your manager when it's time to talk salary. No awkward corporate jargon, no "girl boss" clichés—just practical advice, research-backed insights, and the confidence boost you need to start advocating for yourself. Because doing great work deserves to be recognised. 💸✨ Key Takeaways 📝 Know your value before you negotiate: Research market salaries, understand your unique skills, and gather evidence of your achievements before asking for a raise. It's about impact, not time served: You don't have to wait five years—if your responsibilities and contributions have grown, it's reasonable to start the conversation. Preparation beats confidence: A well-prepared case with measurable results is far more persuasive than simply saying you've worked hard. A "no" isn't the end: If a raise isn't possible now, ask what specific goals you need to achieve and agree on a timeline to revisit the discussion. Salary isn't the only thing you can negotiate: Bonuses, flexible working, extra leave, professional development, and promotion pathways can all be valuable parts of your compensation. Resources & Sources 🔗📚 European Commission — Labour Market and Wage Developments in Europe 2025 OECD — Employment Outlook 2025 International Labour Organization (ILO) — Global Wage Report Linda Babcock & Sara Laschever — Women Don't Ask Leigh Thompson — The Mind and Heart of the Negotiator Daniel H. Pink — To Sell Is Human Ramit Sethi — I Will Teach You To Be Rich Adam Grant — Research on workplace performance, negotiation, and career development Harvard Business Review — Articles on salary negotiation and career progression Glassdoor — Salary Insights and Market Data LinkedIn Salary Insights Payscale — Compensation and Salary Research Robert Half & Hays — European Salary Guides Bank of America Institute — Research on wage growth among job switchers versus employees who stay with the same employer (Friendly reminder: every company has different compensation policies and budget cycles. This episode is intended for educational purposes and offers general career advice—always consider your own workplace policies and circumstances when negotiating your salary.)

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Two work besties thriving in their late 20s, (or attempting to). Relationships, work, family, society expectations... And the return of Lindsay Lohan. You know what they say: ”3rd time’s the charm!” Our goal is to make ”Fetch” happen.