Say It With History: Conversations That Shaped The Past with Holley Snaith

Holley Snaith

From unsung trailblazers to cultural icons, Say It with History explores how the past shapes the stories we tell—and the lives we lead. Hosted by historian Holley Snaith, who has worked at two presidential libraries, a nonprofit honoring a beloved First Lady, and published numerous pieces on influential historical figures, each episode offers engaging, insightful, and often surprising journeys through time. Whether you’re a lifelong history lover or simply curious about the stories behind the past, this show brings history to life in fresh and meaningful ways.

  1. 9h ago

    The Power Behind the Presidency: Missy LeHand and Martha Washington with Kathryn Smith

    Author and history speaker Kathryn Smith joins Holley to explore the life and legacy of Marguerite “Missy” LeHand and the overlooked women who shaped power behind the presidency. Together, they discuss Kathryn’s book The Gatekeeper: Missy LeHand, FDR, and the Partnership that Defined a Presidency, the misconceptions surrounding Missy’s role in the Roosevelt White House, the significance of Warm Springs, and the parallels between Missy and Martha Washington as influential women working behind the scenes of history. Kathryn also reflects on portraying both women in performance and why history can be surprising, entertaining, and deeply human. Kathryn Smith Biography Kathryn Smith is a journalist who turned her writing talents to history after careers as a newspaper editor and nonprofit leader. Her book The Gatekeeper: Missy LeHand, FDR, and the Partnership that Defined a Presidency was published by a Simon & Schuster imprint in 2016. She followed this with Gertie, a biography of South Carolina adventuress Gertrude Sanford Legendre, as well as two books on Prohibition in the South, Baptists and Bootleggers and Methodists and Moonshiners. Kathryn publishes daily on Substack at bootleggers.substack.com, focusing on personal diaries from the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s and the history of that era. She also co-authors the Missy LeHand Mystery series with Kelly Durham. The Gatekeeper: Paperback | Ebook Connect with Kathryn: Website | Facebook | Substack Explore Kathryn’s Other Works: Evening Post Books Books Mentioned: The Washingtons by Flora Fraser Paperback | Ebook Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee | Website | LinkedIn Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley

    The Power Behind the Presidency: Missy LeHand and Martha Washington with Kathryn Smith
  2. Jul 24

    Palm Springs History: How O’Donnell Golf Club Shaped the Desert City with Alexandra Phillips

    Alexandra Phillips, MBA, PGA, CMAA, joins Holley to explore the remarkable history of O’Donnell Golf Club and its role in shaping Palm Springs and the Coachella Valley. Founded in 1929, O’Donnell is one of only three nationally historically designated golf courses in the United States and has been connected to figures including Gene Sarazen, Bob Hope, and Harold Matzner. Together, they discuss the rise of golf culture in Palm Springs, the history behind Inspiration Point and the Easter Sunrise tradition, and the club’s ongoing role as a community and cultural landmark. Alexandra also reflects on stewardship, preservation, and her vision for O’Donnell’s future as a historic space at the heart of Palm Springs. Alexandra Phillips, MBA, PGA, CMAA Biography Alexandra Phillips serves as the General Manager of the historic O’Donnell Golf Club in downtown Palm Springs. Founded in 1929, O’Donnell is the oldest golf club in the Coachella Valley, blending a rich legacy with a dynamic and evolving membership experience. Alexandra leads the club with a deep respect for its history and a clear vision for its future. A former professional golfer, Alexandra began her career competing at a high level, gaining a lifelong understanding of the game from the player’s perspective. She later returned to academia to earn her MBA, combining executive-level business training with her PGA professional credentials to shape the business side of the sport. Today, Alexandra is the only female country club General Manager in the United States to hold both an MBA and PGA designation—an achievement that reflects her commitment to leadership, innovation, and the continued evolution of the club industry. Connect with O’Donnell Golf Club: Website | Instagram Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee | Website | LinkedIn Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley

    Palm Springs History: How O’Donnell Golf Club Shaped the Desert City with Alexandra Phillips
  3. Jul 17

    The Making of Modern Publishing: Bennett Cerf, Random House, and the Rise of a Literary Empire with Gayle Feldman

    Author Gayle Feldman joins Holley to discuss Nothing Random: Bennett Cerf and the Publishing House He Built and the life of the Random House cofounder who helped shape twentieth century American culture. Together, they explore Cerf’s rise in publishing, his relationships with writers including Truman Capote, Gertrude Stein, Ayn Rand, and Dr. Seuss, and his role in the landmark Ulysses censorship case that expanded free expression in America. The conversation also looks at Cerf’s friendships with cultural figures like Frank Sinatra and the broader world of books, Broadway, Hollywood, television, and politics that he moved through during the height of the American Century. Gayle Feldman Biography Gayle Feldman has written for Publishers Weekly for over forty years. Since 1999, she has served as the U.S. correspondent for The Bookseller, where she analyzes the American book industry for U.K. readers. Her work has also appeared in The New York Times, The Times of London, The Nation, and other publications. She is the author of the memoir You Don’t Have to Be Your Mother (W.W. Norton) and Best and Worst of Times: The Changing Business of Trade Books, developed through a Columbia Journalism School fellowship. Her latest work, Nothing Random: Bennett Cerf and the Publishing House He Built, was supported by a National Endowment for the Humanities Public Scholar award and represents more than twenty-three years of research. Feldman lives in New York City. About Nothing Random: Bennett Cerf and the Publishing House He Built This is the story of legendary publisher Bennett Cerf and the Random House he created: an epic cast of characters, a lasting cultural legacy, and a seemingly charmed life at the height of the American Century. By midcentury, everyone knew Bennett Cerf as the witty and beloved panelist on What’s My Line?, a television presence welcomed into homes across the country each week. What they did not see was the ambitious, driven young man of the 1920s who had vowed to become a great publisher and, within a decade, had done just that. By then, he had signed Eugene O’Neill, Gertrude Stein, and William Faulkner, and had fought the landmark censorship case that secured Americans the freedom to read James Joyce’s Ulysses. With his best friend and lifelong business partner Donald Klopfer, along with fellow Jewish publishing pioneers such as the Knopfs and Simon and Schuster, Cerf helped remake the book business—reshaping both what was published and how it reached readers. In 1925, he and Klopfer acquired the Modern Library and transformed it into a cornerstone of American literary culture before founding Random House, which would go on to publish Truman Capote, Ralph Ellison, Ayn Rand, Dr. Seuss, Toni Morrison, and many more. Even before television, Cerf was a bestselling author and columnist as well as a publisher; television only amplified his reach. A gifted networker long before the term existed, he moved fluidly across books, Broadway, Hollywood, television, and politics. A committed democratizer of culture, he published widely—across “high” and “low”—and from the 1920s through the 1960s built an extraordinary circle of friends and collaborators along the way. For four decades, Gayle Feldman has reported on publishing for Publishers Weekly, The New York Times, The Bookseller, and others. Drawing on more than 200 interviews and extensive archival research, she brings Bennett Cerf vividly back to life, immersing readers in his world and offering a long-overdue portrait of a true American original. Connect with Gayle: Website Nothing Random: Hardcover | Ebook | Penguin Random House Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee | Website | LinkedIn Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley

    The Making of Modern Publishing: Bennett Cerf, Random House, and the Rise of a Literary Empire with Gayle Feldman
  4. Jul 10

    The Forgotten World War: The Global Story of the American Revolution with Derek Baxter

    Writer Derek Baxter joins Holley to explore the global story behind the American Revolution through his book The Forgotten World War: The American Revolution as a Global Conflict. Together, they discuss how the Revolutionary War extended far beyond the Thirteen Colonies, involving battles, alliances, and political struggles across Europe, the Caribbean, India, and beyond. The conversation highlights the crucial role of foreign allies such as France and Spain, the overlooked contributions of Cuba in supporting the victory at Yorktown, and the ways later histories narrowed what contemporaries understood to be a worldwide conflict. Derek also shares insights from his travels to historic sites connected to the war, offering a broader perspective on America’s founding and the international forces that helped shape it. Derek Baxter Biography Derek Baxter is the author of In Pursuit of Jefferson: Traveling through Europe with the Most Perplexing Founding Father, in which he recounts his journeys through six countries, armed with a guide written by Jefferson in 1788. This is his second book. He lives with his family in northern Virginia. About The Forgotten World War: Exploring the Secret History of the American Revolution, from Spain to India and Back Again The Revolutionary War wasn’t just fought in the Thirteen Colonies—it was a world war, spanning four continents. To discover more, Baxter embarks on an adventure-filled quest across the globe. He finds the human stories behind this long-ago conflict, expanding the universe of those who contributed to the cause, including the French, Spanish, Dutch, Oneida Indians, and Mysore Kingdom of India. And he delivers a powerful message: The United States only exists because peoples of different races, languages, and religions learned how to fight together, writing an unexpected story of independence that continues to resonate and inspire today. Connect with Derek: Website | Instagram | Facebook The Forgotten World War: Hardcover | Ebook | Amazon Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee | Website | LinkedIn Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley

    The Forgotten World War: The Global Story of the American Revolution with Derek Baxter
  5. Jul 3

    Minnie Pearl and the Hidden History of Nashville: Country Music, Culture, and Legacy with Mary Ellen Pethel

    For the final episode of Season 3 of Say It With History, author, historian, and educator Mary Ellen Pethel joins Holley to explore the life and legacy of Minnie Pearl and the woman behind the beloved persona, Sarah Cannon. Together, they discuss Mary Ellen’s book Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story, Minnie’s rise from small-town performer to Grand Ole Opry icon, the misconceptions surrounding her career, and the lasting impact she had on country music and Nashville’s cultural landscape. Mary Ellen also shares insights into her work with Nashville Sites and reflects on the power of public history to preserve overlooked stories and connect communities to the past. Mary Ellen Pethel Biography Mary Ellen Pethel is an author, historian, and educator at Belmont University, where she directs the Global Honors Program and leads initiatives connecting academic research with public engagement. An award-winning author of six books, her work focuses on women’s leadership, education, and social change. Her latest book, Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story, co-authored with Don Cusic, is the definitive biography of Sarah Cannon. She is also the executive director of Nashville Sites, a nationally recognized digital public history platform bringing Nashville’s stories to life through interactive tours. Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story Throughout her career, Sarah Ophelia Colley Cannon skillfully balanced her dual roles as Minnie and Sarah. Whether at the Opry, on the road, or on Hee Haw, Minnie remained a trusted friend and consummate professional. As k.d. lang noted, “Minnie understood where country music needed to go and who it needed to embrace. She was a visionary.” Rich with 155 historic photographs, this definitive biography covers the many chapters of Sarah Cannon’s life. Drawing from archives and interviews with those who knew her, Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story captures not only Cannon’s enduring humor and impact, but also the woman behind the laughter. Connect with Mary Ellen: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story: The University of Tennessee Press | Hardcover | Ebook Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee | Website | LinkedIn Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley

    Minnie Pearl and the Hidden History of Nashville: Country Music, Culture, and Legacy with Mary Ellen Pethel
  6. Jun 26

    Jo van Gogh and Vincent van Gogh: The Woman Who Built an Artist’s Legacy with Joan Fernandez

    Historical fiction author and speaker Joan Fernandez joins Holley to explore the untold story of Jo van Gogh-Bonger and the making of Vincent van Gogh’s legacy. Together, they challenge the myth of the isolated “mad genius,” examining how Jo’s strategy, resilience, and belief in Vincent’s work transformed him into a global icon. They also discuss how modern concepts like branding, influence, and storytelling shaped his reputation, and what it means to write history with integrity. Joan reflects on her own path from corporate marketing to historical fiction and the importance of uncovering the overlooked figures who change the course of history. Joan Fernandez Biography Joan Fernandez leverages three decades in the corporate marketing trenches to reveal the untold story of the woman who built the Van Gogh legacy. The author of the award-winning Saving Vincent: A Novel of Jo van Gogh (2025), Joan is a leading authority on Jo van Gogh-Bonger, framing her not simply as a widow, but as a brilliant strategist who navigated the demands of single motherhood while disrupting the global art market. Beyond her work as a frequent speaker and founder of the Women’s Fiction Writers Association Historical Fiction affinity group, she explores the intersection of history, marketing, and resilience in her Substack, Digging In with Joan Fernandez. About Saving Vincent: A Novel of Jo van Gogh Based on a true story, in 1891, timid Jo van Gogh Bonger lives safely in the background of her art dealer husband Theo’s passionate work to sell unknown artists, especially his ill-fated dead brother Vincent. When Theo dies unexpectedly, Jo’s brief happiness is shattered. Her inheritance—hundreds of unsold paintings by Vincent—is worthless. Pressured to move to her parents’ home, Jo defies tradition, opening a boarding house to raise her infant son alone, and choosing to promote Vincent’s art herself. But her ingenuity and persistence draw the powerful opposition of a Parisian art dealer who vows to stop her once and for all, and so sink Vincent into obscurity. Connect with Joan: Website | Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn | Substack Saving Vincent: Paperback | Ebook | Simon & Schuster Books Mentioned: Heroines of Mercy Street by Pamela Toler Paperback | Ebook Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee | Website | LinkedIn Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley

    Jo van Gogh and Vincent van Gogh: The Woman Who Built an Artist’s Legacy with Joan Fernandez
  7. Jun 12

    Women in Historic Preservation: Saving America’s Landmarks and Legacy with Amanda Roper

    Public historian Amanda Roper joins Holley to explore the often overlooked role of women in historic preservation. Together, they discuss how women have played a central role in saving places like George Washington’s Mount Vernon, how preservation goes beyond buildings to protect cultural memory and identity, and why these stories remain so important today. Amanda also reflects on her own path into public history and the importance of sharing underrepresented stories. Amanda Roper Biography Amanda Roper is a public historian who has dedicated her career to preserving historic places and sharing stories that have often been underrepresented in the American historical narrative. She holds a degree in history from the College of Charleston and has worked with several leading cultural and preservation institutions, including the National Park Service, the Smithsonian Institution, and the National Trust for Historic Preservation, as well as at historic sites in Charleston, South Carolina, and Alexandria, Virginia. Amanda currently serves on the boards of the Historic House Museum Consortium of Washington, District of Columbia; Japanese American Memorial Pilgrimages; and the National Collaborative for Women’s History Sites. She is a 2025–2026 Research Fellow at the George Washington Presidential Library at Mount Vernon and is currently researching and writing a book exploring the history of women in historic preservation. About Amanda’s Upcoming Book Saving America’s Past: Women in Preservation explores the vital but often overlooked role women have played in preserving America's historic places—from early localized efforts in the nineteenth century to continued leadership in the modern era. Long before preservation became professionalized, women led the charge to save buildings and landscapes, protect cultural heritage, and shape public memory and civic identity. Women have stewarded some of our most famous historic homes, parks, battlefields, neighborhoods, and cities and served as essential keepers of community stories and material culture. This book will take readers on a journey through America’s preservation history, highlighting key women who worked individually and collectively to save our past. This book traces the various and evolving motivations women had for engaging in this work, revealing how women used their skills, networks, and vision to shape the way American’s remember their own history. Books Mentioned: Black Majority by Peter Wood Paperback | Ebook Connect with Amanda: Website | Instagram | LinkedIn   Connect with Holley: Buy Me A Coffee | Website | LinkedIn Newsletter: Stay Connected with Holley

    Women in Historic Preservation: Saving America’s Landmarks and Legacy with Amanda Roper

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From unsung trailblazers to cultural icons, Say It with History explores how the past shapes the stories we tell—and the lives we lead. Hosted by historian Holley Snaith, who has worked at two presidential libraries, a nonprofit honoring a beloved First Lady, and published numerous pieces on influential historical figures, each episode offers engaging, insightful, and often surprising journeys through time. Whether you’re a lifelong history lover or simply curious about the stories behind the past, this show brings history to life in fresh and meaningful ways.