The Gender Yap Podcast

Chloe & Laura

The trans-inclusive feminist podcast you need! Just two girls trying to understand, entertain, and educate about today's most relevant issues facing women and LGBT+ people. Hot takes, new research, news, and more!

  1. 3d ago

    Misogyny affects cis AND trans women

    When you're raised in a patriarchy, it's easy to struggle with femininity and womanhood, because misogyny is all around us. Trans women and cis women alike are raised in this misogynistic world, but it affects us slightly differently, especially before and after transition. Today we're talking about our own personal experiences with misogyny, how it affected us, and which parts we had to unlearn from what we'd internalized. Follow us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheGenderYapPodcast 😍 Support a trans-owned business that makes clothing with OUR (trans) needs in mind!! Head to https://tcomfifits.com/ & use our promo code:    thegenderyap-BOGO    to get a buy-one-get-one-free discount added to your order! Related:SWERF & TERF ideology IS misogyny: https://youtu.be/AZmEYOZ4VzkWere trans women socialized as MEN?: https://youtu.be/ZVAFpc163zMWhat creates a "KAREN"?: https://youtu.be/zSQHqvXV5yIIntersex rights ARE women's rights: https://youtu.be/RtpbNnvHBLI Subscribe to our Shorts channel: https://youtube.com/@TheGenderYapClips IG/Threads: @TheGenderYapTikTok: @TheGenderYapEmail: TheGenderYap@gmail.com Like, subscribe, comment, and make sure you have notifications on! SHOUTOUTS: N/A 00:00 Hook0:01:06 Theme Song0:01:41 Welcome! Today's topic0:03:14 Plugs0:04:19 Raised in a bubble0:06:29 Cis/trans crossover0:07:26 Impact on boys0:09:34 Sports0:11:39 Football0:16:50 Pink0:18:20 Central CA misogyny0:21:58 SL*T shaming0:23:34 "Don't be girl"0:24:30 Religious influence0:27:40 TComfiFits0:29:51 A woman's role0:33:26 Modesty / grape culture0:37:41 Trans internalized misogyny0:40:59 Women's masculinity0:43:01 Playing small / a girl's girl0:48:04 Troubled Teen (Industry)0:50:51 Audio engineering / hiding0:53:25 Cis internalized misogyny0:54:17 SWs0:56:48 To be continued... #transgender #misogyny #internalized #cisgender #womanhood #GenderYap Patriachal misogyny affects us all! We sometimes define our womanhood in opposition to it, rather than by defining it on its own terms. When you're raised in a misogynistic world, it's easy to internalize some of the ideas about what "femininity" and "womanhood" are SUPPOSED to look like, and unfortunately a lot of times that means trauma. SA. DV. Boiling our entire identities down to whether or not we're able to reproduce or conceive children. And that's what patriarchy wants from us. In today's discussion, we break down how trans women and cis women alike are affected by misogyny and how we need to unlearn those beliefs in order to grow into the fullness of our feminine power.

  2. Aug 12

    YOU should know about THIS historical trans woman! — Chevalier d’Eon

    What if trans people have ALWAYS been here? Such is the case with Mademoiselle Chevalier d'Eon, a French noble and SPY who personally negotiated the end of the Seven Years War, snuck into Russia by passing herself off as a woman, and ended up a political enemy of the state for revealing French secrets to England... only to make her gender EVERYONE'S business by blackmailing the King of France until he officially recognized her as a woman! This is a wild & true story that you don't want to miss. Follow us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheGenderYapPodcast 😍 Support a trans-owned business that makes clothing with OUR (trans) needs in mind!! Head to https://tcomfifits.com/ & use our promo code:    thegenderyap-BOGO    to get a buy-one-get-one-free discount added to your order! Related:Ancient Trans Indigenous Cultures they don't want you to know!!Part 1: https://youtu.be/YmfI1PKIulYPart 2: https://youtu.be/83RKJp5bPTIPart 3: https://youtu.be/2hvszFkV0sE Subscribe to our Shorts channel: https://youtube.com/@TheGenderYapClips IG/Threads: @TheGenderYapTikTok: @TheGenderYapEmail: TheGenderYap@gmail.com Like, subscribe, comment, and make sure you have notifications on! SHOUTOUTS: N/A 00:00 Hook0:01:04 Theme Song0:01:39 Today's topic0:03:55 Plugs0:05:03 Chevalier d'Eon0:08:11 Trans/Trustworthy?0:11:03 Spycraft!!0:12:54 Dress as a woman0:15:30 Russian Ambassador + WAR0:16:45 Peace Negotiator0:19:58 Top Secret Mission0:21:13 Fast Friends with Alcohol0:24:09 Enemy of the State0:26:50 Kidnapping/Blackmail0:29:20 Political Games/Traitor0:32:00 Re-hired0:33:15 Is she a WOMAN?!0:36:43 Negotiations0:39:02 New Wardrobe0:40:47 Government-recognized gender0:41:45 Trans clothes0:43:56 Public reveal0:48:22 Loss of privilege0:50:21 Let me fight!0:54:28 French Revolution / BROKE0:56:18 Mrs. Cole / Shut-in0:58:16 End of Life0:59:00 Feudalism/Capitalism/Slave Trade1:01:25 Autopsy / Gender reveal1:05:16 Trans people always existed #transgender #history #chevalier #spy #lgbtq #GenderYap Trans people have literally always existed. Prior to the *existence* of the United States of America, Mademoiselle Chevalier Charlotte d'Eon, a French noble and SPY made her gender everyone's problem by living the first half of her life as a man (one who personally negotiated the end of the Seven Years War and ended up a political enemy of the state for revealing French secrets to England), and the second half of her life as a woman--having her gender officially recognized by multiple governments. Her story contains twists, turns, scandal, blackmail, alcohol, treason, libel, spycraft, and so, so much more that you have to hear to believe.

  3. Aug 9

    Coming out as TRANS (in 2020s America): Chloe's story

    Discovering that you're trans is a long, complicated, confusing process. Chloe was aware that something was... different... about her when she was in kindergarten, but growing up Catholic, being transgender isn't something that's spoken of or allowed. So the process of getting to know yourself takes time. And when you finally come out as transgender, and a trans woman, in the year 2020, mid-quarantine, with a vehemently anti-trans president in Trump... it makes the whole thing a lot harder. Chloe did it the old fashioned way, and fully socially transitioned for over a year before she ever touched a hormone. From there, things just got crazier. Follow us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheGenderYapPodcast 😍 If you're interested in supporting a trans-owned business that makes clothing with our needs in mind, check out https://tcomfifits.com/ !!Use our promo code: thegenderyap-BOGO   to get a buy-one-get-one-free discount added to your order! In light of this conversation, it's more important than ever to support small, queer-owned businesses! (SPONSORED, but also we do like the clothes lol) Related:Why Chloe went 'No Contact' w/ family: https://youtu.be/GflEbGBUAzcChloe was transphobic: https://youtu.be/I26zc9_cKHgBeing a WOMAN in a FRAT: https://youtu.be/pboQ8gkus6UPhysical HRT changes you should know: https://youtu.be/bSaSaYnfXVc Subscribe to our Shorts channel: https://youtube.com/@TheGenderYapClips IG/Threads: @TheGenderYapTikTok: @TheGenderYapEmail: TheGenderYap@gmail.com Like, subscribe, comment, and make sure you have notifications on! SHOUTOUTS: N/A 00:00 Hook0:01:34 Theme Song0:02:08 Intro/Welcome!0:03:54 Social malfunction0:05:08 Questioning / First Attempt0:06:29 Figuring it out0:07:46 Comp-cis / safest choice0:09:13 Science & Spirituality0:11:57 Do you like pants?0:14:12 Dysphoria / the BEST man0:17:40 Zero trans friends0:20:11 Exploring gender0:23:09 Gender envy0:25:56 Chloe / unsupportive partner0:31:25 Parents / Facebook0:34:52 Hormone-free social transition0:37:43 Trans in education0:45:37 Repeatedly coming out0:48:57 'Transing the kids'0:52:54 Hard out here0:54:37 Gay panic #transphobia #comingoutstory #cisgender #lesbian #lgbtq #GenderYap Chloe had literally no idea she was trans. She knew she 'wasn't like the other boys,' and knew she didn't quite fit in anywhere. This is NOT the story of how Chloe 'figured out' that she's a transgender woman. It IS the story of how she started the process of coming out and growing into herself once she knew. Starting with a relationship with a very un/supportive partner in 2020, all the way to transitioning like it was the 1970s, and finally working in education as a trans person. The stories are wild, offensive, transphobic, life-affirming, and hilarious, so come along on this wild ride of what it's like to exist while being trans in the 2020s.

  4. Aug 5

    Being a WOMAN in a FRAT

    When you're a transgender woman who has no idea that you're trans, you end up trying a lot of things to fit into your assigned gender. When everyone tells you you're a man, but they also tell you that you're TERRIBLE at being a man, you feel the need to be around masculinity in an attempt to learn how to emulate it. Chloe's attempt: join a fraternity and try to gain knowledge of how men behave by observing the entire thing like a nature documentary. What ended up happening... well, just watch. Follow us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheGenderYapPodcast 😍 If you're interested in supporting a trans-owned business that makes clothing with our needs in mind, check out https://tcomfifits.com/ !!Use our promo code: thegenderyap-BOGO   to get a Buy-One-Get-One-free discount added to your order! Support small, queer-owned businesses! (SPONSORED, but also we do like the clothes lol) Related:Chloe was TRANSPHOBIC: https://youtu.be/I26zc9_cKHgAre trans women socialized as MEN?: https://youtu.be/ZVAFpc163zMChloe goes NO CONTACT w family: https://youtu.be/GflEbGBUAzcOklahoma University scandal: https://youtu.be/o74J4P8fh4wChloe was in a CULT: https://youtu.be/8CICJ_23sHAJK Rowling is a MAN: https://youtu.be/LUI2I9nVoEg Subscribe to our Shorts channel: https://youtube.com/@TheGenderYapClips IG/Threads: @TheGenderYapTikTok: @TheGenderYapEmail: TheGenderYap@gmail.com Like, subscribe, comment, and make sure you have notifications on! SHOUTOUTS: N/A 00:00 Hook0:00:25 Theme Song0:01:06 Intro/Welcome!0:02:55 Why join a frat?0:07:23 HOW join a frat?0:12:26 Chapter Meetings0:13:23 Bro or Brah?0:18:53 Hazing / Ritual0:20:29 Frats are gangs0:23:04 it's gay0:26:44 Psychological torture0:29:40 Bigs & littles0:33:39 Keeping Tabs0:34:23 Early trans signals0:38:19 Self-expression0:41:17 Bitchy gays0:44:54 Girl's Guy - Spycraft0:46:01 Homosexual acceptance0:49:49 Internalized transphobia: Suzy Eddie Izzard0:55:13 Attempting Hypermasc1:00:29 Mothering the bros1:06:13: Wrap-up & Goodbye #womeninmensfields #fraternity #closeted #lesbian #lgbtq #GenderYap Chloe had no idea she was a woman, and did that thing that a lot of women do when they're being told from all angles that they're "supposed" to be men: she joined a fraternity in an attempt to become more masculine. It, naturally, did not work at all, and what transpired instead is that she became a spy of sorts, becoming all-too aware of the ways that men think and behave, especially when they don't think there are any women around. This is Chloe's story. This is how a trans woman ends up in a fraternity.

  5. Aug 2

    Comphet, Homophobia, & Bi ERASURE: Laura's 'coming out' story

    When you learn you're bisexual at age 5, especially in a homophobic world, people impose a very particular brand on comp-het on you. When you're with women, they act like it isn't real. When you're with men, they act like you've "finally figured it out." And when your parents refuse to acknowledge a full HALF of your identity, it can lead to a lot of problems. This is Laura's story of coming out... and coming out... and coming out... Follow us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheGenderYapPodcast 😍 If you're interested in supporting a trans-owned business that makes clothing with our needs in mind, check out https://tcomfifits.com/ !!Use our promo code: thegenderyap-BOGO   to get a buy-one-get-one-free discount added to your order! In light of this conversation, it's more important than ever to support small, queer-owned businesses! (SPONSORED, but also we do like the clothes lol) Related:Why Laura went 'No Contact' w/ family: https://youtu.be/qkKELz_iZpEWho ACTUALLY started Biphobia?: https://youtu.be/ETt8ViDC2UwTroubled Teen Industry: https://youtu.be/yiBgpzppPqY Subscribe to our Shorts channel: https://youtube.com/@TheGenderYapClips IG/Threads: @TheGenderYapTikTok: @TheGenderYapEmail: TheGenderYap@gmail.com Like, subscribe, comment, and make sure you have notifications on! SHOUTOUTS: N/A 00:00 Hook0:01:10 Theme Song0:01:45 Intro/Welcome!0:02:52 I knew at 50:07:15 Bullying0:10:16 Social Pressure to Hide0:13:17 Middle School dating0:15:57 Coming Out Attempt 10:17:47 Mild acceptance0:19:16 Coming Out Attempt 20:20:25 In the closet--fumbling0:22:00 Problematic lesbianism0:24:15 How men are / FBoy phase0:25:43 Psychadelics & introspection0:28:27 Dating men0:28:59 Coming out attempts 3 & 40:31:28 Final attempt0:33:23 No contact = freedom0:35:09 Recurring Homophobia0:36:19 You never stop coming out0:37:37 Kept in a Box0:39:07 Takeaway / Love #biphobia #comingoutstory #comphet #lesbian #lgbtq #GenderYap Laura knew she was bisexual from a VERY early age. At 5, she knew she liked girls. At 6, she knew she liked boys. But society doesn't really accept bisexual people, and bi people are often erased or told to "choose a side," (another version of experiencing comphet) where people will choose one or the other sides of your identity and choose to ignore the rest of it. Straight people want you to be straight. Gay people want you to be gay. And depending on who you're dating, certain friends may pay less attention to you. Parents may reject you or refuse to listen to you or acknowledge your feelings at all.This is Laura's story of coming out as Bisexual... to her friends, and her family, over time. And then doing it again. And again. And again. Because some people just don't listen.

  6. Jul 29

    Is Ashley St. Clair GRIFTING??

    Ashley St Clair was a conservative, MAGA influencer who got her start at age 17. She was funneled through the alt-right incubator, spewing hatred across the internet (transphobic, racist, nationalist rhetoric) until she finally had her second baby with Elon Musk. After exposure to him and witnessing his increasing radicalization and harm (after after he turned on HER), she left the movement and has become a prominent voice against the Right and the tactics that MAGA uses. The question of the day is... is it real? Or is she just "grifting to the left" purely out of self-interest? Follow us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheGenderYapPodcast 😍 Support a trans-owned business that makes clothing with our needs in mind: https://tcomfifits.com/ !!Use our promo code:   thegenderyap-BOGO   to get a buy-one-get-one-free discount added to your order! In light of this conversation, it's more important than ever to support small, queer-owned businesses! (SPONSORED, but also we do like the clothes lol) Related:Why is Blaire White LIKE this??: https://youtu.be/eB6UkhkPvB4The TERFification of Arielle Scarcella: https://youtu.be/DjM6qRiQgKwOk to OUT closeted Conservatives?: https://youtu.be/FZDmxBjMLEU Subscribe to our Shorts channel: https://youtube.com/@TheGenderYapClips IG/Threads: @TheGenderYapTikTok: @TheGenderYapEmail: TheGenderYap@gmail.com Like, subscribe, comment, and make sure you have notifications on! SHOUTOUTS:Matt Bernstein on YT:  ⁨@MattBernstein1⁩ Juniper (guest on A Bit Fruity Pod):Kill The Computer:https://open.spotify.com/show/6jH7ZL5LkzFuBtv7R9TgDgIll Conceived:https://open.spotify.com/show/3Eu94TUvqT5Hbn2qj2Sb2WJune's Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/junlper.beer Brian Reed: https://questioneverything.substack.com/p/watch-ashley-st-clair-called-me-slimy ⁨@KatBlaque⁩  ⁨@lifelivedtrans⁩  ⁨@Ashleytheebarroness⁩ @HopeGiselle. 00:00 Hook0:01:25 Theme Song0:02:00 Intro/Welcome!0:05:58 Who is Ashley St. Clair?0:09:37 Conservative Influencer Development0:11:43 Leopards Eating Faces0:13:41 Deconstruction or Revenge?0:15:57 Dunking on the Right0:17:56 Apologies0:23:27 Is it a grift?0:25:07 Only acceptable terms0:26:59 Unlearning takes time0:28:29 Genuine hate or cult mentality?0:34:02 Uplift others or do it for the $$?0:38:19 How much money?0:42:18 Growth or perfection?0:48:24 All a distraction0:50:45 Christopher Reeve0:54:40 Ne0Naz! or idiot?0:57:42 "Not that deep"1:00:45 Don't platform narcissists1:05:54 Patriarchy & useful idiots1:10:28 What has she done for us?1:13:46 Reform or consequences?1:17:20 Her purpose1:18:54 Cults & abuse1:21:49 Final Points1:26:06 People to follow (instead)1:27:21 Last Word / Conclusion #conservatives #grifting #transgender #ashleystclair #maga #debates  Laura PASSIONATELY defends the "she's definitely a grifter" perspective while Chloe takes the "she's not perfect but I think she IS learning" side. We debate long and hard about the correct way to be a good ally, what she SHOULD be doing, and the evidence both for and against her shift to the left being genuine or not. Regardless, the facts about her checkered past remain: she was a conservative, MAGA influencer who rose to popularity incredibly quickly & was funneled through the alt-right incubator, working with Turning Point USA, the Babylon Bee, and other right-wing organizations specifically designed to spew hatred across the internet (transphobic, racist, & nationalist rhetoric). Once she had her second baby with Elon Musk and broke a deal by announcing publicly that the baby was his (because he notoriously likes to keep his private philandering lifestyle incredibly secretive), he turned against her and weaponized his base to levy incredible hatred at her. She finally broke ranks and switched sides, speaking out against big tech, billionaires, and the entire MAGA ideology, explaining that by doing some reading and learning, she was able to see the error in her ways. The question still remains... is any of it REAL??

  7. Jul 26

    Debunking Trans Propaganda: Violence & Cherry Picking (Pt 3)

    There is a prevalent belief in TERF and "gender critical" circles, and a narrative being pushed by right-wing grifters and people with ulterior motives, that being trans causes people to be MORE VIOLENT than all other demographics of people. It's something Blaire White, Joe Rogan, JK Rowling, and basically every trans-hating person have been pushing ever since the Charlie Kirk shooting. So we're here to go over the ACTUAL stats and prove that trans people, on the whole, are the LEAST violent demographic of people that exist. Follow us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheGenderYapPodcast 😍 DEBUNKING Trans Propaganda Pt1: https://youtu.be/K36eaTs0yXIDEBUNKING Trans Propaganda Pt2: https://youtu.be/U_LafA3Nq0kDEBUNKING 15 Transphobic Beliefs: https://youtu.be/nDGOugn-rGoSWERF & TERF Ideology IS misogyny: https://youtu.be/AZmEYOZ4Vzk Subscribe to our Shorts channel: https://youtube.com/@TheGenderYapClips IG/Threads: @TheGenderYapTikTok: @TheGenderYapEmail: TheGenderYap@gmail.com Like, subscribe, comment, and make sure you have notifications on! SHOUTOUTS:N/A 00:00 Hook0:00:57 Theme Song/TW0:03:12 PART 6: "BAD" trans ppl0:03:41 Jealousy0:06:58 Autogynephilia0:10:25 Breastfeeding0:11:30 Trolley Problem0:12:40 Exaggeration0:14:07 Consumerism0:16:48 Male Domination0:17:40 Drag0:19:11 Female Enslavement0:21:02 Indigenous Trans ppl0:23:33 TERFs are racist0:24:42 Female Oppression0:27:29 Blatant Racism0:33:11 PART 7: "Violence"0:33:28 Out of Context0:36:18 ICE0:39:44 Hurt the TERF0:42:44 Mass Sh00tings0:43:59 JKR0:46:34 "Trans allies"0:51:26 The end...?0:52:53 Outro #violence #ideology #transgender #transwomen #indoctrination #propaganda  TERFs and "gender criticals" believe and push a lot of strange things. And, of course, it's easy to find an example of any type of person who did something wrong if you're LOOKING for that. So this week, we're covering a number of examples of "bad" trans people, trans people who committed violence, and the general rhetoric that the "gender criticals" (just TERFs with a funny name) push en masse to try to convince people to be terrified of us. In our last two "debunking propaganda videos, we talked about how they think being trans is a "social contagion" (a belief that has been disproven after being first proposed in 2015 and gaining steam in 2016), and then the idea that trans identity is a "cult," the harmful idea that having autism both makes you 'more vulnerable' to trans ideology (because you aren't smart enough to think for yourself) and 'causes' you to transition, and bizarre, pseudoscientific beliefs about puberty blockers, brain changes, and identical twins. These ultra right-wing grifters (who are often RACIST as well as transphobic) are wildly misinformed, and have ulterior motives that largely align with patriarchal ideas that we should all be reduced purely to our biology. We watch several of their propaganda videos and look at their memes and DEBUNK their Nazi ideology with facts, logic, and statistics.

  8. Jul 22

    Why is Blaire White LIKE this??

    Blaire White is a prominent transgender influencer who also happens to be Gender Critical and TERFy... she spews anti-trans rhetoric and makes content bullying other trans women for their appearance, while also being racist, conservative, MAGA, and being a token trans person for the Right to weaponize. But... Why?? How did she become this way? Where did she start? Who is funding her? What did she experience that made her shut off her emotions and turn against her own community? Follow us on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheGenderYapPodcast 😍 The TERFification of Arielle Scarcella: https://youtu.be/DjM6qRiQgKwEpstein LINKED to Trans movement: https://youtu.be/KEv4fmCampIIs AUTOGYNEPHILIA even REAL?: https://youtu.be/UvmkiZ2JQUYWe used to be Transphobic!(Pt1): https://youtu.be/I26zc9_cKHg Subscribe to our Shorts channel: https://youtube.com/@TheGenderYapClips IG/Threads: @TheGenderYapTikTok: @TheGenderYapEmail: TheGenderYap@gmail.com Like, subscribe, comment, and make sure you have notifications on! SHOUTOUTS: ⁨@TheRightOpinion⁩  ⁨@Avatar_Brandy⁩   00:00 Prologue0:02:16 Theme Song0:02:51 Intro/Welcome!0:04:56 Blaire's CONTENT0:08:04 Disinformation Purveyor0:10:00 Losing Trust0:13:52 Propaganda Pipeline0:17:58 Blaire White: LIAR0:22:45 Avatar Brandy: Firsthand0:32:54 Brandy REACTION VID0:36:17 Blaire White: ORIGINS0:39:32 Transmaxxer??0:40:30 Baby Blaire0:44:52 BW: CONNECTED0:51:42 Turn to Christ0:53:41 Blaire's SPONSORS1:00:20 Why is she LIKE this??1:04:57 Trauma Response?1:06:08 Trapped1:07:32 Spirituality Grift1:09:58 Empathy for Baby Blaire1:12:15 Appearance-based1:14:05 Male Protection1:15:57 Detached1:18:42 Path to Redemption?1:21:08 Hi, Blaire!1:23:53 Epilogue #conservatives #grifters #transgender #rosicrucian #4chanstories #propaganda  Blaire White was raised in a cult and was being groomed to become a politician by her ultra-conservative father, who also abused her (in more ways than she's willing to speak about). She found community in the transmaxxer page on 4Chan and fully believes that being trans, for her, is a direct result of the trauma she experienced. She also has wildly misinformed views about "passing," and has internalized the idea that she has no inherent value unless she is beautiful (transmisogyny is strong with this one). She bullies trans women online. She spews false information, damaging rhetoric, pseudoscience, and ragebait across the internet, which her ultra-MAGA, conservative followers lap up like the homophobic trans chasers that they are. They hate us but they love her because she hates us, too. Laura dove DEEP into the archives of the internet and pieced together the whole puzzle, including WHERE her sponsors are based, who they're connected to, why she makes the type of content that she does, and how she became the way that she is. If you've ever wondered, "Why is Blaire White LIKE THIS??", we've got the answer for you here.

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The trans-inclusive feminist podcast you need! Just two girls trying to understand, entertain, and educate about today's most relevant issues facing women and LGBT+ people. Hot takes, new research, news, and more!

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  • Creator
    Chloe & Laura
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    55
  • Rating
    Explicit
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