The Curiosity Mindset Podcast

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A conversational podcast that explores the big ideas shaping the future with the people who are creating it. In this podcast, we focus on leadership, business, education, systems, and philosophy. The goal? To have conversations that encourage us to hold ideas lightly, to challenge myself and my guests, so we can get greater clarity to navigate the uncertainty we see. I'm your host: Scott Ko. I'm a leadership strategist, a social entrepreneur, and a speaker on the topics of leadership, systems thinking, innovation, and education. www.scottko.com

Episodes

  1. Episode 5 - Andrea Hogg - On engaging with tensions, psychological safety, and working through conflicting views

    09/17/2025

    Episode 5 - Andrea Hogg - On engaging with tensions, psychological safety, and working through conflicting views

    Welcome to the fifth episode of the Curiosity Mindset podcast and the final in this limited series on the future of leadership development. Introduction and context In February 2024, the inaugural Leadership Development Summit was held in Tasmania, Australia. As a direct outcome, a white paper was produced identifying 5 major challenges: 1) Research-practice gap 2) Divergent worldviews 3) Challenges of leadership measurement 4) Complexity and systems thinking 5) Future of leadership development In this limited series, I will be interviewing 5 people who contributed to the paper to reflect on what's changed since the 2024 summit, what new challenges are being experienced by leaders, and what they believe we need to be talking about at the next summit in December 2025, in Canberra. About our guest In this final episode, I speak with Andrea Hogg. Andrea Hogg is a highly experienced leader in adult education, leadership development, and community resilience, currently serving as the Director of Leadership Innovation at the Australian Rural Leadership Foundation (ARLF). She is dedicated to fostering leadership in rural, regional, and remote Australia, ensuring communities are equipped to navigate complex challenges such as climate change, demographic shifts, and economic transitions. With a strong background in leadership program design, adult learning theory, and community development, Andrea has played a pivotal role in shaping experiential learning programs for up to 800 participants annually. She specialises in place-based leadership development, incorporating First Nations knowledge systems, adaptive change frameworks, and trauma-informed practice to strengthen social capital in communities. Her work includes designing resilience programs for disaster recovery and mentorship initiatives to support individuals in regional Australia. She is also deeply involved in academic collaboration, contributing to research-informed leadership practices that bridge the gap between theory and practice and is a committee member for the design and delivery of the Leadership Development Summit in Canberra in December 8th to 10th. In this episode In our conversation, we explore the themes of the forthcoming Summit: Tensions, Terrains, and Turfs. We discuss what it means to engage with tension and conflict, psychological safety, who is involved in the world of leadership development, and what type of impact we are really trying to seek in our work. Links 1) Tickets to the next Leadership Development Summit are on sale now: ⁠⁠⁠⁠LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT SUMMIT 2025⁠⁠⁠⁠ 2) The White Paper is here: ⁠⁠⁠⁠White Paper Leadership Summit⁠⁠⁠⁠ 3) Connect with Andrea Hogg on LinkedIn: Andrea Hogg | LinkedIn4) Subscribe to my Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Curiosity Mindset | Scott Ko | Substack⁠⁠⁠⁠ 5) Check out my website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.scottko.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ 6) Keen to chat with me? Let's have a virtual coffee: ⁠⁠⁠⁠Calendly

    52 min
  2. Episode 4 - Dr Aiden MA Thornton - On complexity, worldviews, and 7 questions for the future of leadership

    09/10/2025

    Episode 4 - Dr Aiden MA Thornton - On complexity, worldviews, and 7 questions for the future of leadership

    Welcome to the fourth episode of the Curiosity Mindset podcast. Introduction and context In February 2024, the inaugural Leadership Development Summit was held in Tasmania, Australia. As a direct outcome, a white paper was produced identifying 5 major challenges: 1) Research-practice gap 2) Divergent worldviews 3) Challenges of leadership measurement 4) Complexity and systems thinking 5) Future of leadership development In this limited series, I will be interviewing 5 people who contributed to the paper to reflect on what's changed since the 2024 summit, what new challenges are being experienced by leaders, and what they believe we need to be talking about at the next summit in December 2025, in Canberra. About our guest In this fourth episode, I speak with Dr Aiden M.A. Thornton. Aiden is a complexity leadership expert, management consultant, psychometrics entrepreneur, and street epistemologist. As a complexity leadership expert, he holds an interdisciplinary PhD in leadership, complexity, and cognition and has served as the Inaugural Menzies Senior Research Fellow in Leadership and Complexity at the Australian National University’s School of Cybernetics since February 2024. He has co-led the ANU Complexity Leadership Lab and his work spans the theory, measurement, research, education, and practice of complexity leadership. He applies principles of cybernetics, systems thinking, and complexity science to making sense of leadership and its development. In this episode In our conversation, we go deep on the distinction between leader and leadership development along with its gaps, the challenges of measuring leadership impact, the nature of complexity, and the questions we need to be asking as we step into the future.Links 1) Tickets to the next Leadership Development Summit are on sale now: ⁠⁠⁠LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT SUMMIT 2025⁠⁠⁠ 2) The White Paper is here: ⁠⁠⁠White Paper Leadership Summit⁠⁠⁠ 3) Connect with Dr Aiden Thornton on LinkedIn: Dr Aiden M. A. Thornton | LinkedIn 4) Subscribe to my Substack: ⁠⁠⁠Curiosity Mindset | Scott Ko | Substack⁠⁠⁠ 5) Check out my website: ⁠⁠⁠www.scottko.com⁠⁠⁠ 6) Keen to chat with me? Let's have a virtual coffee: ⁠⁠⁠Calendly

    59 min
  3. Episode 3 - Angela Driver - On the challenges faced by leaders, and the skills they need for the future

    09/04/2025

    Episode 3 - Angela Driver - On the challenges faced by leaders, and the skills they need for the future

    Welcome to the third episode of the Curiosity Mindset podcast. Introduction and context In February 2024, the inaugural Leadership Development Summit was held in Tasmania, Australia. As a direct outcome, a white paper was produced identifying 5 major challenges: 1) Research-practice gap 2) Divergent worldviews 3) Challenges of leadership measurement 4) Complexity and systems thinking 5) Future of leadership development In this limited series, I will be interviewing 5 people who contributed to the paper to reflect on what's changed since the 2024 summit, what new challenges are being experienced by leaders, and what they believe we need to be talking about at the next summit in December 2025, in Canberra. About our guest In this third episode, I speak with Angela Driver. Angela has been with Tasmanian Leaders since 2011 and became CEO in 2021, bringing a deep commitment to developing leadership that’s grounded, inclusive and future-focused. She has completed the Art and Practice of Adaptive Leadership at the Harvard Kennedy School and earned a Brain-Based Coaching certificate through the NeuroLeadership Institute - formalising what she’s always been passionate about: helping people grow, adapt, and lead with clarity and care. In this episode In our conversation, we focus on the current challenges faced by leaders, whether the work of leadership development has had an impact, and what skills people might need for the future. Links 1) Tickets to the next Leadership Development Summit are on sale now: ⁠⁠LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT SUMMIT 2025⁠⁠ 2) The White Paper is here: ⁠⁠White Paper Leadership Summit⁠⁠ 3) Connect with Angela Driver on LinkedIn: Angela Driver | LinkedIn 4) Subscribe to my Substack: ⁠⁠Curiosity Mindset | Scott Ko | Substack⁠⁠ 5) Check out my website: ⁠⁠www.scottko.com⁠⁠ 6) Keen to chat with me? Let's have a virtual coffee: ⁠⁠Calendly

    43 min
  4. Episode 2 - Dr Carolina Boutin-Pinto - On leadership vs management, the research-practice gap, and impact measurement

    08/27/2025

    Episode 2 - Dr Carolina Boutin-Pinto - On leadership vs management, the research-practice gap, and impact measurement

    Welcome to the first episode of the Curiosity Mindset podcast. Introduction and context In February 2024, the inaugural Leadership Development Summit was held in Tasmania, Australia. As a direct outcome, a white paper was produced identifying 5 major challenges: 1) Research-practice gap 2) Divergent worldviews 3) Challenges of leadership measurement 4) Complexity and systems thinking 5) Future of leadership development In this limited series, I will be interviewing 5 people who contributed to the paper to reflect on what's changed since the 2024 summit, what new challenges are being experienced by leaders, and what they believe we need to be talking about at the next summit in December 2025, in Canberra. About our guest In the second episode, I speak with Dr Carolina Boutin-Pinto. She is an experienced organisational development practitioner with finely-tuned skills as a facilitator, designer, manager, coach, and consultant honed in the private, public and community sectors. Her passion is to design and drive inclusive processes that result in effective and inclusive community and organisational dynamics. Today, she's the Principal in charge of Organisational Development at the Hobart City Council. In this episode In our conversation, we focus heavily on the distinction between leadership and management. We explore the research / practice gap between academia and practice, divergent world views, and impact measurement. Links 1) Tickets to the next Leadership Development Summit are on sale now: ⁠LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT SUMMIT 2025⁠ 2) The White Paper is here: ⁠White Paper Leadership Summit⁠ 3) Connect with Dr Carolina Boutin-Pinto on LinkedIn: Dr Carolina Bouten-Pinto, GAICD | LinkedIn 4) Subscribe to my substack: ⁠Curiosity Mindset | Scott Ko | Substack⁠ 5) Check out my website: ⁠www.scottko.com⁠ 6) Keen to chat with me? Let's have a virtual coffee: ⁠Calendly

    54 min
  5. Episode 1 - Dr Werner Vogels - On worldviews, measurement, and leadership development

    08/20/2025

    Episode 1 - Dr Werner Vogels - On worldviews, measurement, and leadership development

    Welcome to the first episode of the Curiosity Mindset podcast. Introduction and context We're kicking things off with a 5-part limited series on the future of leadership development. In February 2024, the inaugural Leadership Development Summit was held in Tasmania, Australia. As a direct outcome, a white paper was produced identifying 5 major challenges: 1) Research-practice gap 2) Divergent worldviews 3) Challenges of leadership measurement 4) Complexity and systems thinking 5) Future of leadership development In this limited series, I will be interviewing 5 people who contributed to the paper to reflect on what's changed since the 2024 summit, what new challenges are being experienced by leaders, and what they believe we need to be talking about at the next summit in December 2025, in Canberra. About our guest In the first episode, I speak with Dr Werner Vogels. He's a neuropsychologist, an academic, a leadership development practitioner, and mentor, with a particular focus right now in building resilient rural communities as part of the Australian Rural Leadership Foundation. He's passionate about exploring ways to grow, learn and connect, individually, in community and teams, making sense of why we connect the way we do, with whom and how, how we frame our worldview, and then apply that knowledge to what we design, desire and re-construct. In this episode In our conversation, we focus a great deal on the challenges of recognising our own worldviews, working with people who possess divergent worldviews, and how this links back into the organisations and communities we live in every day. Links 1) Tickets to the next Leadership Development Summit are on sale now: LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT SUMMIT 2025 2) The White Paper is here: White Paper Leadership Summit 3) Connect with Dr Werner Vogels on LinkedIn: Werner Vogels, PhD | LinkedIn 4) Subscribe to my substack: Curiosity Mindset | Scott Ko | Substack 5) Check out my website: www.scottko.com 6) Keen to chat with me? Let's have a virtual coffee: Calendly

    47 min
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A conversational podcast that explores the big ideas shaping the future with the people who are creating it. In this podcast, we focus on leadership, business, education, systems, and philosophy. The goal? To have conversations that encourage us to hold ideas lightly, to challenge myself and my guests, so we can get greater clarity to navigate the uncertainty we see. I'm your host: Scott Ko. I'm a leadership strategist, a social entrepreneur, and a speaker on the topics of leadership, systems thinking, innovation, and education. www.scottko.com

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