The Science Chick Report: Evidence You Can Use for Real-World Women's Health

Kathleen Kendall-Tackett
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Hosted by Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett, The Science Chick Report brings women’s health research you can trust to the people holding it all together: birth workers, lactation consultants, doulas, midwives, mental health providers, and nurses. Every episode turns the latest science into practical tools, helping you advocate, recover, and stay grounded in the work you love, even when it feels like you’re doing it alone.

Episodes

  1. FEB 11

    The Edinburgh Scale vs. PHQ: What’s Best for Postpartum Care

    Choosing the right screening tool for postpartum depression is more than just a clinical decision — it’s a key step that impacts what happens next for new mothers. In this episode of The Science Chick Report, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett walks through two of the most commonly used tools for identifying postpartum depression: the Edinburgh Postnatal Depression Scale (EPDS) and the Patient Health Questionnaire (PHQ). Dr. Kendall-Tackett explains why these tools are more than just academic: their proper use directly affects the care that mothers receive. While screening scales help identify symptoms, what happens after a positive screen can determine whether a mother receives the support she needs or falls through the cracks. She also emphasizes the importance of understanding the limitations and benefits of these tools before use, especially in community-based settings. This episode is a call for healthcare providers to not only screen but also ensure that proper follow-up systems are in place. It’s about making sure mothers don’t face the frustration of an unmet expectation when they are vulnerable and in need of help. In This Episode: [00:00:00] Introduction: The importance of choosing the right screening tools [00:01:12] Why screening is a critical first step in postpartum care [00:03:11] The Edinburgh Postnatal Depression Scale: Pros and cons [00:05:37] Language and cultural barriers in using the Edinburgh scale [00:07:00] The problem with reverse scoring and language confusion [00:08:06] Using the Edinburgh three-item version for quick assessments [00:10:05] PHQ-9: A more straightforward, reliable alternative [00:12:07] How to use screening results: what happens next? [00:13:15] Understanding anxiety and depression in postpartum women [00:15:00] The challenge of limited resources in healthcare [00:17:01] Community-based support and non-medical interventions [00:19:32] The importance of planning follow-up after screening Notable Quotes [01:34] “It’s not enough to just screen — you have to have a plan for what happens next.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [03:37] “The Edinburgh scale has been around for decades, but it still has issues, especially with language and scoring.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [05:21] “A screening scale is not the same as a diagnostic tool. It’s the first step, not the final answer.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [10:05] “The Edinburgh three-item version might be the best option for quick, on-the-go screening.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [13:15] “Even with limited resources, you can connect mothers to help — it’s all about knowing what services are available.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Resource and Links The Science Chick Report The Science Chick Report  Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Mentioned Edinburgh Postnatal Depression Scale – Full vs. Three-Item Versions Patient Health Questionnaire (PHQ-9) US Preventive Services Task Force Recommendations Moyer et al. (2023) – Edinburgh Postnatal Depression Scale (US Version) Cheryl Beck – Postpartum Depression Screening Scale City Birth Trauma Scale Pittsburgh Sleep Quality Index

    37 min
  2. The Screening Gap: Why Most Mothers Fall Through the Cracks

    JAN 28

    The Screening Gap: Why Most Mothers Fall Through the Cracks

    What if improving perinatal mental health outcomes started not with treatment, but with asking the right questions — consistently and with a plan? And what if the real problem isn’t lack of evidence, but hesitation, fear, and vague guidelines? In this episode of The Science Chick Report, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett focuses on one of the most essential yet neglected aspects of perinatal care: screening and assessment. This session explains why screening matters, why providers often avoid it, and what must be in place before screening can be effective. Dr. Kendall-Tackett breaks down common barriers — limited time, fear of “opening Pandora’s box,” lack of training, and uncertainty about next steps — and shows why relying on clinical judgment alone consistently fails to identify depression, anxiety, and PTSD. She contrasts vague U.S. screening recommendations with more specific international guidelines and highlights how poor implementation leads to missed opportunities for care. This episode reframes screening not as diagnosis, but as a gateway to support. For healthcare providers, community organizations, and anyone working with pregnant or postpartum women, it offers a practical, evidence-based case for why assessment must be intentional, planned, and followed by clear action. In This Episode: [00:00:00] Introduction and why perinatal screening matters [00:01:12] Screening vs. diagnosis: a critical distinction [00:02:29] Why most new mothers are never screened [00:03:11] Time constraints and real-world provider barriers [00:04:41] Why screening without a follow-up plan fails [00:08:06] Why providers miss depression without standardized tools [00:10:05] U.S. vs. UK screening guidelines [00:12:07] The “Pandora’s box” myth and institutional resistance [00:13:15] Screening as an equity issue [00:15:00] Pediatric settings as a missed screening opportunity [00:21:00] Obstetric screening guidelines and persistent gaps [00:26:41] What actually increases screening compliance Notable Quotes: [01:34] “Screening is the first step. You can’t treat what you don’t identify.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [02:52] “Most healthcare providers never screen the millions of women who give birth each year.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [04:41] “It’s useless to screen if there isn’t a plan for what happens next.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [08:06] “Providers are spectacularly bad at identifying depression without a measure.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [14:06] “Women who were screened were six times more likely to receive counseling.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Resource and Links The Science Chick Report The Science Chick Report  Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Mentioned Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality (2013) – Screening strategies American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists – Perinatal screening guidance National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (UK) – Screening recommendations Lain et al. (2022) – Provider resistance to screening Declercq et al. (2021) – Listening to Mothers in California Rafferty et al. (2019) – AAP maternal mental health policy Statistics Canada (2019) – Postpartum depression prevalence Kim et al. (2009) – Obstetric screening practices

    30 min
  3. Military Sexual Trauma and the Silent Crisis in Perinatal Mental Health

    JAN 14

    Military Sexual Trauma and the Silent Crisis in Perinatal Mental Health

    Do you know that simply serving in the military places women at significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, PTSD, and adverse birth outcomes, even before combat exposure is considered? And do you know that one of the most powerful drivers of this risk is still rarely discussed in perinatal care? In this episode of The Science Chick Report, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett shines a light on an overlooked public health crisis: the impact of military service, and specifically military sexual trauma, on perinatal mental health and birth outcomes. Drawing from large-scale studies, systematic reviews, and longitudinal data, she reveals just how profound these risks are for pregnant and postpartum veterans. Dr. Kendall-Tackett walks listeners through research showing extraordinarily high rates of prenatal and postpartum depression, PTSD, anxiety, preterm birth, and low birth weight among military women. She explains how trauma-related stress physiology affects pregnancy, why these outcomes persist even when controlling for other risk factors, and how military culture itself may contribute to vulnerability, even for women who were not directly assaulted. For healthcare providers, policymakers, and anyone working in women’s mental health, this episode is a call to move beyond treatment alone and begin addressing prevention, screening, and systemic change. For military mothers, it is validation and proof that these outcomes are not personal failures, but predictable responses to chronic stress and trauma. In This Episode: (00:00) Introduction and episode overview (01:06) Growth of women in the US military and vulnerability (02:11) Defining military sexual trauma (MST) (04:04) MST vs. combat exposure: mental health impact (05:18) Physical health consequences of MST (06:26) Review of studies on pregnancy outcomes (07:41) Study: harassment, assault, and mental health (10:04) Mental health outcomes by assault status (11:07) Study: MST, PTSD, and birth experience (12:17) Study: MST, combat, childhood trauma, and birth outcomes (13:31) Quantifying MST’s impact on birth weight and depression (14:38) Study: MST and mother-infant bonding (15:45) Call to action: addressing MST in guidelines (16:43) Betrayal trauma and military culture (17:42) Conclusion and further resources Notable Quotes: (02:37) “These papers, I actually have to admit, kind of blew my mind. I knew there was some increased vulnerability within this population, but I had no idea it was this high.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (01:07) “We talk about treatment, but we’re not really talking about prevention and this is a population that is particularly vulnerable.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (04:19) “Military sexual trauma can actually have an effect above and beyond the effect of combat exposure.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (07:58) “71% of the women who were harassed, actually had depression, compared to 41% of the non-harassed women.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (11:02) “Chronic activation of the stress system sends inflammatory messengers that directly affect pregnancy.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Resource and Links The Science Chick Report The Science Chick Report  Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Mentioned  Manzo (2024) – Military trauma and pregnancy outcomes Gross et al. – Military sexual trauma and perinatal mental health Schaefer et al. (2024) – PTSD, trauma, and birth experiences Nilny et al. (2022) – Military trauma, preterm birth, and depression Creech et al. (2022) – Military sexual trauma and mother-infant bonding Chikowsky (2017) – Long-term health outcomes in veterans

    19 min
  4. Helping Mothers Heal

    12/31/2025

    Helping Mothers Heal

    Birth can be life changing in beautiful ways, but it can also leave women carrying fear, confusion, or unresolved emotional pain, especially when the experience felt rushed, dismissive, or frightening. In this episode of The Science Chick Report, Dr. Kathleen Kendall Tackett sits down with trauma specialist Dr. George Rhoades to explore how Trauma First Aid, a method used around the world in disaster settings, can be applied to perinatal women who have endured traumatic births, medical mistreatment, or overwhelming postpartum experiences. Dr. Rhoades explains how Trauma First Aid works by creating a safe space for mothers to share their story, helping them identify the problems left behind by the experience, and guiding them toward realistic solutions that restore a sense of control and grounding. Together, he and Dr. Kathleen examine the subtle ways birth trauma shows up, from unmedicated C sections to cold or dismissive medical care, and why early, compassionate support can prevent long term psychological harm. This conversation offers a clear and practical framework for doulas, nurses, lactation consultants, and anyone supporting new mothers. It also provides powerful validation to women who may smile on the outside but feel shaken on the inside, reminding them that their experience deserves to be heard and healed. In This Episode: (00:26) Meet Dr. George Rhoades, disaster psychology expert (01:09) Understanding trauma first aid (01:44) The impact of birth trauma (02:37) Psychological first aid in crisis situations (02:55) Comparing trauma responses in Vietnam and WWII veterans (03:55) Addressing trauma in unmarried pregnancies (04:30) Practical solutions for trauma recovery (05:16) The importance of hope in trauma counseling (06:21) Challenges in postpartum care (10:33) Debriefing and long-term trauma counseling (13:00) Supporting postpartum mothers (16:53) The role of supportive friends and family (17:51) Handling grief and loss (18:42) The importance of listening and follow-up (19:37) Understanding trauma responses (22:04) Practical skills for coping with trauma (24:25) When to seek professional help (26:36) Training laypeople for trauma support worldwide (27:50) Moral injury among caregivers and birth workers (31:53) How birth trauma inspires some mothers to enter birth work (32:04) Final thoughts and gratitude Notable Quotes: (01:30) “Anything that's devastating has trauma.”— Dr. George "(05:20) “Having hope that they will get better will help many people just be able to keep pushing through.”— Dr. George (07:07) “It’s amazing when you look at the literature how abusive some of this stuff is. Even in supposedly prestigious medical centers.” — Dr. Kathleen  (09:58) “In South Korea, they don't believe in having a co. Epidural. They think you should suffer some pain.” — Dr. George (29:57) “If you go through a trauma and there's some injustice done, there has to be some form of justice.” — Dr. George (31:48) “I can't tell you how many people I know that have gotten into birth work because of what happened to them” — Dr. Kathleen  Resources and Links The Science Chick Report The Science Chick Report  Dr. George Rhoades Website LinkedIn Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Mentioned  When Hello Means Goodbye End of Beginnings

    33 min
  5. Cry It Out or Burnout: The Hidden Cost of Sleep Training (Part 2)

    12/17/2025

    Cry It Out or Burnout: The Hidden Cost of Sleep Training (Part 2)

    Forget everything you think you know about infant sleep. What if the secret to better rest for the whole family isn't about training your baby, but about tuning into their needs? And what if science shows that breastfeeding, often blamed for maternal exhaustion, is actually a key to more sleep and lower depression risk? In this groundbreaking follow-up episode of The Science Chick Report, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett moves beyond the critique of "cry it out" to present the powerful, evidence-based alternative. She dismantles the simplistic sleep-training model by exploring the complex web of factors that truly influence infant sleep from prenatal stress and parental mental health to attachment security and feeding methods. Dr. Kendall-Tackett reveals stunning research that turns conventional wisdom on its head: exclusively breastfeeding mothers report more total sleep and better mental health than those who mix-feed or formula feed. She explains how responsive, attachment-based care creates a positive feedback loop of security and regulation, leading to better sleep outcomes for everyone. If you are a new parent lost in the fog of exhaustion, or a healthcare provider looking for compassionate, science-backed guidance, this episode offers a revolutionary and empowering guide. It’s time to stop fighting biology and start working with it. In This Episode: (00:00) Introduction and limitations of sleep training models (01:15) Domains influencing infant and child sleep (02:25) Prenatal maternal depression and infant sleep (04:37) Longitudinal evidence of prenatal depression effects (05:46) Attachment theory and relational interventions (06:48) Pilot study: parental education on infant crying (09:48) Maternal sensitivity at bedtime (10:58) Maternal responsivity and bedtime routines (12:01) Feeding method and infant sleep (13:04) Exclusive breastfeeding and maternal sleep (14:09) Large-scale study: sleep predictors and feeding (15:05) Contradictory findings on formula feeding (20:37) Exclusive breastfeeding and bed sharing (21:44) Does breastfeeding cause fragmented sleep (22:45) Ecological perspective on infant sleep (23:52) Attachment and ecological models vs sleep training (24:53) Methodological issues in sleep training research (25:50) Conclusion and resources Notable Quotes: (01:52) “Insecure attachment were linked to shorter sleep duration and more nighttime awakenings. And they said this was actually the most robust factor.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (03:24) “Higher prenatal depression scores were associated with shorter nighttime infant sleep duration, but interestingly only for babies born vaginally.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (07:51) “The maternal psychological stress can perpetuate infant regulatory difficulties in a negative feedback loop.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (09:55) “Secure attachment mitigates the effects of parental emotional dysregulation. And a secure attachment regulates infant sleep.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (13:39) “Exclusively breastfeeding mothers slept 40 minutes longer than the mixed or formula feeding mothers.” — Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Resource and Links The Science Chick Report The Science Chick Report  Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Mentioned  Dao & Liu (China) – Five domains influencing infant sleep CHiLD Study (Canada) – Prenatal depression and infant sleep Tiffany Field (2007) – Stress hormones and infant sleep patterns ALSPAC Study (U.K.) – Longitudinal maternal depression findings Montessori (2018) – Treating maternal anxiety to reduce infant crying Emotional availability and attachment studies (2019) Chinese and Canadian breastfeeding/sleep trajectory studies James McKenna & Helen Ball – Anthropological perspectives on infant sleep

    28 min
  6. Cry It Out or Burnout: The Hidden Cost of Sleep Training (Part 1)

    12/03/2025

    Cry It Out or Burnout: The Hidden Cost of Sleep Training (Part 1)

    What if everything you’ve been told about infant sleep is rooted in a century-old theory that dismissed love as unscientific? Are “cry-it-out” techniques really helping families, or just fueling a billion-dollar parenting industry built on exhaustion and guilt? In this eye-opening episode of The Science Chick Report, the first of a special two-part series, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett takes a clear, evidence-based look at the world of sleep training, challenging both the parenting industry and the pediatric establishment. She traces its origins to the behaviorist movement of the 1920s, which urged parents not to comfort or emotionally engage with their babies in the name of “science.” Dr. Kendall-Tackett contrasts this outdated view with attachment theory and evolutionary biology, showing that responsive caregiving is not spoiling—it is essential for survival and healthy development. Through a critical review of multiple studies, she asks whether sleep training truly helps babies sleep better or simply teaches them to stop signaling distress. If you are a new parent, healthcare provider, or anyone who has ever been told to let a baby “cry it out,” this episode will empower you to question conventional wisdom and make informed, compassionate choices for your family. In This Episode: (00:00) Introduction: why sleep training needs a second look (01:06) The business of baby sleep and the modern parenting dilemma (02:13) Pediatricians and the promotion of cry it out (03:23) Historical and theoretical foundations: Behaviorism (05:30) Parenting without emotion: lessons from John B. Watson (06:32) The rise of attachment theory after World War II (08:31) Why infant crying is evolutionary, not manipulative (10:37) What the latest research really says about cry it out (12:55) Do babies really sleep better or just cry less? (15:34) When cry it out backfires: findings from Canada and beyond (18:20) Why ignoring babies raises cortisol and risks brain development (21:10) The hidden costs of “successful” sleep training (23:02) What studies from China and Australia reveal about sleep and maternal mood (26:17) The two-way relationship between maternal depression and infant sleep (28:22) Final reflections: toward a more responsive approach Notable Quotes: (01:17) “Infants crying at night is probably one of the hardest things to deal with when you're dealing with a newborn.” – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (11:38) “Excessive crying is associated with maternal depression, anxiety, and parental exhaustion, but it also can possibly disrupt attachment and increase the risk of abuse.” – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (22:31) “These poor little mute babies, still distressed, but they've learned not to signal.” – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Resource and Links The Science Chick Report The Science Chick Report  Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Mentioned  Breaking the Silence" by Mariette Hartley Bathory & Thomas Paulus (2017) – Pediatric Sleep Recommendations Wolke (2017) – Infant Crying and Parental Sensitivity Build & Invoke (2020) – Cry It Out in First-Time Mothers Davis & Kramer (2021) – Ecological Critique of Cry It Out Middlemiss et al. (New Zealand Study) – Cortisol Synchrony in Sleep Training Sapolsky (1996, Science) – Cortisol and Brain Health Chinese Meta-Analysis (2020) – Infant Sleep Interventions Australian Cohort Study – Maternal Depression and Infant Sleep

    29 min
  7. Did Healthcare Providers Suffer Moral Injuries During Covid? (Part 2)

    11/14/2025

    Did Healthcare Providers Suffer Moral Injuries During Covid? (Part 2)

    What happens when the healers become the wounded? When doctors and nurses are forced to make choices that violate their deepest ethical vows?  In this compelling episode of The Science Chick Report, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett explores the concept of moral injury, a term once reserved for military contexts but now emerging as a crucial framework for understanding the psychological and ethical toll of the COVID-19 pandemic on healthcare providers. Drawing from 46 empirical studies, Dr. Kendall-Tackett breaks down how physicians, nurses, and frontline workers faced impossible ethical choices, from resource shortages to patient isolation policies. She explains how these experiences overlapped with post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) yet carried a distinct moral and spiritual dimension. Through striking quotes from clinicians and international studies, she unpacks seven defining themes of moral injury: ethics, high-stakes decisions, moral transgressions, betrayal, psychological wounds, spiritual wounds, and reconciliation, revealing the deep emotional cost of caregiving in crisis. The episode also highlights promising therapeutic pathways for recovery, including Acceptance and Commitment Therapy and Trauma-Informed Guilt Reduction Therapy. If you care about the mental and moral well-being of those who care for others, this episode is essential listening. In This Episode: (00:00) Introduction and research update (00:59) Definition and context of moral injury (02:17) COVID-19’s impact on healthcare providers (03:12) Differentiating moral injury from PTSD (04:16) PTSD criterion A and trauma exposure (06:16) Healthcare providers’ fears and experiences (07:30) Key elements of moral injury (09:35) Ethics and moral transgressions (11:49) High-stress environments (12:50) Orientation: immoral acts and guilt (13:51) Betrayal by authorities (15:51) Psycho-behavioral wounds (17:01) Spiritual and existential wounds (18:05) Burnout and functional impairment (20:06) Suicide risk and hopelessness (21:05) Reconciliation and resilience (23:27) Summary and research implications (24:28) Closing remarks Notable Quotes: (02:06) "The COVID-19 pandemic was a different kind of crisis because it put an enormous, unprecedented strain on all healthcare systems worldwide." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (07:08) "As with soldiers in war, we know that as soon as we stop doing, we will start feeling the deterred processing of grief and trauma and betrayal for the patients we've lost." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (13:37) "I almost wanted to tell people if they knew what had gone on and if they knew how bad things were, you wouldn't be clapping, you'd be writing petitions and storming Parliament." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (14:59) "If I die, they don't care. They'll just get someone else in my shoes tomorrow." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (17:01) "I didn't feel like I was a doctor. I felt like I was just letting people die." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett (19:56) "The last 20 months have been the most stressful, exhausting, and depressing time in my 30-year medical career." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Resource & Links Podcast The Science Chick Report  Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Mentioned  Journal Traumatology – Upcoming article on Moral Injury in Healthcare National Center for PTSD – Moral Injury Treatment Guidelines Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) for Moral Injury Trauma-Informed Guilt Reduction Therapy Western Sydney University Moral Injury Studies

    25 min
  8. How Clinicians Can Support VBAC (Part 2)

    11/05/2025

    How Clinicians Can Support VBAC (Part 2)

    What are the real barriers to VBAC, and are they evidence-based or built on fear and bias? In Part 2 of this powerful two-part series, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett continues her conversation with Australian midwife, researcher, and author Dr. Hazel Keedle. They dive deeper into the systemic, emotional, and clinical roadblocks that women face when planning a vaginal birth after cesarean (VBAC). From BMI bias to short interpregnancy intervals, big babies to special scars, Dr. Keedle unpacks the often-coercive medical narratives and exposes the power imbalances that still plague maternity care. She shares groundbreaking insights from her research and emphasizes how control, trust, and informed choice are key to transforming birth trauma into empowered birth experiences, whether or not a VBAC is achieved. If you care about evidence-based, respectful, trauma-informed maternity care, this episode isa must listen. In This Episode: (00:00) Introduction to The Science Chick Report (00:29) Concerns about inductions and VBAC barriers (01:01) Body mass index and VBAC calculators (01:28) Fat shaming in maternity care (06:07) Impact of birth experience on mothers (06:52) Challenges with big babies and VBAC (09:16) Interpregnancy interval and VBAC (12:07) Multiple cesareans and VBAC support (16:30) Breech birth and ECV options (18:07) Hospital policy changes and breech births (19:28) Understanding special scars (22:45) Birthplace choices: hospital, birth center, or home (27:15) The importance of control during birth (29:39) Positive birth experiences: beyond the outcome (35:58) Final thoughts and resources Notable Quotes: (01:45) "A higher score was more chance of a VBAC the thinner you were. And it really went to quite a ridiculous weight." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (04:24) "What annoys me is that this is about the baby and not the woman. We want to get the baby out of this woman who's larger and, you know, if she has complications afterwards, whatever, that's her fault." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (05:31) "A live mother may well have a pulse. However, she can be traumatized." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (12:15) "The data is very supportive for two. One or two cesareans…potentially the more caesareans you've had, the higher chance you've got of a uterine rupture." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (22:58) "Sometimes being in a hospital doesn't feel safe for women, especially when they've had previous birth trauma." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (25:58) "We're treating them like terrorists and they just wanted to have a natural birth.” – Dr. Hazel Keedle (31:56) "You can have a cesarean and feel amazing. You can have a cesarean and feel bad, you can have a VBAC and feel amazing. You can have a VBAC and feel bad." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (35:37) “There were women who had cesareans that felt okay about them, women who had vaginal births that described them as rapes.”– Dr. Hazel Keedle Our Guest Dr. Hazel Keedle is a Senior Lecturer of Midwifery at the School of Nursing and Midwifery, Western Sydney University. With over 25 years of midwifery experience, she completed her PhD in 2021, focusing on vaginal birth after cesarean (VBAC). Hazel is the author of Birth After Caesarean and The VBAC Clinician’s Guide. Her work blends research and lived experience to promote trauma-informed, evidence-based maternity care. Resource and Links Podcast The Science Chick Report  Dr. Hazel Keedle https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/thri/team/members/hazel_keedle https://hazelkeedle.com/ https://au.linkedin.com/in/hazel-keedle-595255122 https://www.instagram.com/hazelkeedle/?hl=en Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Mentioned  Birth After Caesarean: Your Journey to a Better Birth The Clinician's Guide to a Better Birth After Caesarean INOSS Study – Largest European data on uterine rupture (0.22% rate) Sarah Wickham – Plus Size Pregnancy Interpregnancy Interval Study (Australia) Special Scar Research Project (Qualitative study on uterine rupture)

    38 min
  9. How Clinicians Can Support VBAC (Part 1)

    10/22/2025

    How Clinicians Can Support VBAC (Part 1)

    Ever wondered what drives women to choose vaginal birth after cesarean (VBAC)? In this powerful first part of a two-part series of The Science Chick Report, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett sits down with Australian midwife, researcher, and author Dr. Hazel Keedle for an honest, eye-opening conversation about the challenges surrounding birth after cesarean, also known as VBAC. Drawing from her own experience, groundbreaking research, and two widely acclaimed books, Dr. Keedle explains why VBAC isn’t just a medical choice; it is a deeply personal and often political journey toward reclaiming power and autonomy. Together, they dive into the complex mix of triumph and trauma that many people face in maternity care. They talk candidly about birth trauma, debunk some of the most stubborn myths about VBAC, and call out coercive practices that still get in the way of informed choice. This episode is a must-listen for anyone passionate about respectful, trauma-informed maternity care and making sure women’s voices are truly heard, especially in a system that too often tries to quiet them. Be sure to tune in to Part 2, where Dr. Kendall-Tackett and Dr. Keedle continue this vital conversation and explore practical ways to support women on their VBAC journeys. In This Episode: (00:02) Introduction and guest background (02:08) Dr. Keedle’s personal VBAC story and research motivation (05:06) Book cover imagery and symbolism (06:57) Stories of triumph and community (08:28) Defining VBAC and its importance (11:21) Women’s motivations for VBAC (12:31) Birth trauma: prevalence and impact (13:18) Factors contributing to birth trauma (16:32) Obstetric violence and blame (19:22) Comparing models of care (20:13) Fear tactics and coercion in VBAC counseling (22:00) Actual risks of uterine rupture (23:59) Conclusion and closing remarks Notable Quotes: (03:37) "When I pushed my baby out, I felt amazing. I felt like I had just, I don't know, I'd won Olympic gold." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (06:16) "I felt like it was a bit of a secret language that was going on in the VBAC world." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (11:56) "The biggest reason was to experience birth, to go through that experience and have that experience." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (16:58) "What's the high expectation is that you get treated with respect. The high expectation is that you make an informed decision." – Dr. Hazel Keedle (22:31) "If your wife plans a VBAC, you will end up with a dead baby, a dead wife, and a toddler to raise on your own." – Dr. Hazel Keedle Our Guest Dr. Hazel Keedle is a Senior Lecturer of Midwifery at the School of Nursing and Midwifery, Western Sydney University. With over 25 years of midwifery experience, she completed her PhD in 2021, focusing on vaginal birth after cesarean (VBAC). Hazel is the author of Birth After Caesarean and The VBAC Clinician’s Guide. Her work blends research and lived experience to promote trauma-informed, evidence-based maternity care. Resource and Links Podcast The Science Chick Report  Dr. Hazel Keedle https://www.westernsydney.edu.au/thri/team/members/hazel_keedle https://au.linkedin.com/in/hazel-keedle-595255122 https://hazelkeedle.com/ https://www.instagram.com/hazelkeedle/?hl=en Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Mentioned  Birth After Caesarean: Your Journey to a Better Birth The Clinician's Guide to a Better Birth After Caesarean INOSS Study – Largest European data on uterine rupture (0.22% rate) Birth Trauma Inquiry – New South Wales, Australia

    24 min
  10. Did Healthcare Providers Suffer Moral Injuries During Covid? (Part 1)

    10/08/2025

    Did Healthcare Providers Suffer Moral Injuries During Covid? (Part 1)

    Did you know that during the peak of COVID-19 in New York City, 67% of frontline healthcare workers reported moderate to high levels of moral injury-related guilt? In this debut  episode of The Science Chick Report, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett takes a closer look at something we haven’t talked enough about: how the COVID-19 pandemic impacted the emotional well-being of healthcare providers. Specifically, she focuses on moral injury—a term originally used in military settings—that helps explain what many frontline workers experienced during the crisis. Through a review of 36 studies from around the world, Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tacket shares how nurses, physicians, and other care providers felt deep distress when they couldn’t give the care they knew their patients needed. Many described feeling helpless, unsupported, and in some cases, betrayed by their institutions. These aren’t just signs of stress or burnout—they point to something more complex and lasting. But it’s not all bad news. Dr. Kendall-Tackett also highlights what helped: strong team support, open communication from leadership, and practical resources that made people feel valued. She wraps up the episode by encouraging organizations to reflect on what went wrong, take meaningful action, and commit to supporting their teams—not just in a crisis, but every single day. This episode is a powerful reminder that behind every hospital badge is a human being—and that caring for healthcare providers is just as essential as caring for the patients they serve. In This Episode: [00:00] Introduction  [01:16] Defining moral injury and its origins [02:21] Applying moral injury to healthcare providers [03:22] COVID-19 policies and institutional collapse [04:30] Moral injury in healthcare vs. military [05:29] Frontline experiences during COVID-19 [06:47] Emotional impact and patient isolation [07:56] Moral injury in maternity care [09:07] Prevalence and effects of moral injury [10:23] Institutional betrayal and burnout [11:37] International perspectives on betrayal [12:44] Burnout as a unique outcome in healthcare [15:10] Resilience and protective factors [16:17] Organizational lessons and recommendations [17:32] Individual and organizational healing [18:33] Conclusion and resources Notable Quotes: [01:45] "Moral injury is not a diagnosis yet, but it recognizes that people in combat experience symptoms beyond PTSD, dealing with issues of right and wrong." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [02:51] "They felt that patient care was severely compromised, and they were witness to it but couldn't do anything to stop it.." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [08:12] "In extreme cases, staff can feel that they have become instruments of inhumane treatment of women and babies, active perpetrators of psychological and physical harm." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [11:25] "We got a lot of lip service and no actual action. It was demoralizing and disheartening.s." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [12:39] “If I die, they don't care. They'll just get somebody else in my shoes tomorrow.”– Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett [18:44] "Apologize for what happened. That really goes a long way toward repairing relationships and re-establishing trust with your staff and your team." – Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Resource and Links Podcast The Science Chick Report  Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett Website LinkedIn X Facebook ResearchGate (upcoming paper) Referenced Studies Fisher et al. (2022) – NYC frontline moral injury and guilt Hors et al. – Swiss maternity providers and ethical trauma Nieuwsma et al. (2022) – Comparison of veterans and healthcare workers U.S. & Netherlands ICU provider studies NHS (UK) nurse experiences with systemic betrayal

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    Hosted by Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett, The Science Chick Report brings women’s health research you can trust to the people holding it all together: birth workers, lactation consultants, doulas, midwives, mental health providers, and nurses. Every episode turns the latest science into practical tools, helping you advocate, recover, and stay grounded in the work you love, even when it feels like you’re doing it alone.

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Hosted by Dr. Kathleen Kendall-Tackett, The Science Chick Report brings women’s health research you can trust to the people holding it all together: birth workers, lactation consultants, doulas, midwives, mental health providers, and nurses. Every episode turns the latest science into practical tools, helping you advocate, recover, and stay grounded in the work you love, even when it feels like you’re doing it alone.

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