Leading Quality

Jason Meadows, MD

Welcome to Leading Quality, the show that dives into the real-world stories and strategies of healthcare quality improvement leaders at all levels, from Frontline Champions to C-Suite Executives.  Each episode uncovers how these dedicated professionals tackle complex topics in real healthcare environments.  Discussion range from QI fundamentals, to leadership, technology, AI, and beyond. If you’re passionate about elevating patient care and want practical insights that go beyond the buzzwords, this podcast is for you. Tune in for inspirational conversations, innovative frameworks, and the behind-the-scenes details you won’t hear anywhere else, and discover how you, too, can lead quality improvement from wherever you stand in healthcare. 

  1. 3d ago

    Lessons From Year One: Leading a Healthcare Learning System

    Why This Episode Matters Healthcare organizations cannot learn simply because they have dashboards, safety reports, improvement methods, or formal escalation processes. Learning depends on whether people can surface what leaders do not know, challenge assumptions, admit uncertainty, and act on problems without making truth-telling personally dangerous. This second year-in-review episode examines the human conditions that make a learning system work: leadership humility, trust, psychological safety, accountability, high expectations, and agency. The central tension is that these ideas are often treated as opposites. Leaders are expected to be confident, yet must remain open to being wrong; organizations need psychological safety, yet cannot abandon accountability; and improvement should support people without lowering the standard of care. The challenge is to build systems that are demanding about the work while remaining curious about why reality falls short. Key Ideas Explored Leadership increasingly means leading knowledge you do not personally possess. As problems become more complex, the leader’s advantage cannot be knowing more than everyone else. The work shifts from providing answers toward connecting expertise, asking better questions, and creating conditions in which the organization can use what its people collectively know.An open door is not an information system. Leaders inevitably operate with an incomplete picture of their organizations, and simply inviting people to raise concerns places too much responsibility on those with less authority. Rounding, specific questions, escalation mechanisms, safety huddles, and deference to expertise can reduce the personal courage required to make important information visible.The goal is to lead a less imaginary organization. Every leader carries a mental model of how the organization works, but certainty can cause contradictory information to be filtered out until the picture reaching leadership becomes cleaner and less true. A learning posture treats unexpected observations as evidence that the model may need revision rather than as resistance to be overcome.Psychological safety and high expectations are not competing choices. Taking a stand on zero harm can express what an organization believes patients deserve without pretending that perfect performance will be achieved immediately. The gap between aspiration and reality should become a source of disciplined learning rather than an automatic trigger for blame.Accountability and systems thinking require separate questions. Asking what the system needs to learn is different from asking what accountability is appropriate. Mature organizations must distinguish human error, risky behavior, and system failure rather than defaulting either to punishment or to the idea that individual choices never matter.Improvement can create agency rather than additional burden. Repeated workarounds and poorly designed processes can produce helplessness. Improvement becomes a “science of hope” when people have a method for understanding problems, testing changes, redesigning their work, and removing unnecessary friction—including through subtraction rather than continually adding new requirements.Takeaways for Quality Leaders Ask what information currently requires unusual courage to reach you. If a serious problem depends on one brave individual speaking up, the organization may have a weak information system rather than a strong safety culture.When a room goes silent after “Any questions?”, do not interpret silence as agreement. Reconsider the design: ask what you may be missing, where the plan could fail, and what people closest to the work are seeing that leadership cannot.Examine how your organization responds to performance data. The same number can open a conversation about what is happening in the system or signal that judgment has already been made.When performance falls short, separate aspiration from response. Maintain a demanding standard while asking what the miss can teach you before deciding what accountability is warranted.Before adding another checklist, alert, meeting, field, or training requirement, ask what could be removed. Improvement should not automatically mean asking already burdened clinicians to absorb more work.Continue the Conversation Follow Dr. Meadows on LinkedIn Leading Quality is a podcast for healthcare leaders committed to improving systems, culture, and outcomes. If you found this episode valuable, follow the show, rate and review the podcast, or share it with a colleague working to improve care. Connect with Jason Meadows on LinkedIn for more insights on healthcare quality and leadership. New episodes published every other Thursday at 7AM Eastern Time. Credits: Host, Writer, and Executive Producer Jason Meadows, MD Produced by Thrive Healthcare Improvement Edited by Milan Milosavljevic

    Lessons From Year One: Leading a Healthcare Learning System
  2. Aug 27

    Lessons From Year One: Building a Healthcare Learning System

    Why This Episode Matters Healthcare organizations can run hundreds of improvement projects without becoming fundamentally better at improvement. After 26 conversations in the first year of Leading Quality, a larger question emerged: what makes an organization capable of learning repeatedly, across problems, teams, and time? This episode examines the difference between having people who know improvement methods and having a system that can recognize problems, understand the work producing them, test its assumptions against reality, and carry what it learns forward. The challenge is not to move beyond projects because projects do not matter. It is to ensure that successful projects leave behind more than better results; they increase the organization’s capacity to solve the next problem. Key Ideas Explored A successful improvement project is not the same as organizational learning. The deeper test is what happens after the project ends: whether new knowledge becomes part of standard work, travels elsewhere, survives the departure of its champions, and leaves the organization more capable of solving future problems.The people with the greatest authority often have the least direct visibility into the work. As information moves upward, frontline experience becomes metrics, categories, and dashboards. Leaders therefore need mechanisms that connect the knowledge held by people doing the work with the authority required to change the systems around them.Seeing a bad outcome is not the same as understanding the system that produced it. Safety events can be recognized and investigated while still being fundamentally misinterpreted. Direct observation, frontline knowledge, human factors, and measurement reveal different parts of reality; none is an adequate substitute for the others.Standards can be treated as hypotheses rather than permanently correct rules. A standard represents our current prediction about how a process should behave. When reality differs from that prediction, the discrepancy can become an opportunity to investigate what we misunderstood rather than simply evidence that someone failed to comply.Quality cannot remain in the organizational “sidecar.” Quality, safety, patient experience, and operations are produced by the same underlying work. Improvement expertise remains essential, but responsibility for producing quality ultimately has to be integrated with the people who operate the system.Learning requires infrastructure, not heroics. Training people in improvement is insufficient if they return to environments without meaningful problems to work on, protected time, coaching, data, governance, or mechanisms for spreading what they discover. Capability becomes organizational only when the system knows how to use it.Takeaways for Quality Leaders Ask what happens to knowledge after a successful improvement project. Does it alter how work is done and make the next improvement easier, or does it remain primarily with the team that generated it?When an important metric changes, resist moving immediately from the number to a solution. Ask what the measurement reveals, what you would need to observe directly to understand the work producing it, and what the people doing that work know that the metric cannot tell you.Before acting under uncertainty, make the prediction explicit: What do we expect to happen, and why? Then compare that expectation with reality and investigate meaningful discrepancies, including results that are better than expected.Examine your organization’s theory for how improvement actually happens. If someone identifies a recurring problem tomorrow, where does it go, who responds, who can act, how can frontline knowledge shape the investigation, and how does anything learned travel?Consider whether your improvement capability exists mostly in individuals or in the organization itself. The critical question is not simply how many people have been trained, but whether their knowledge has somewhere to go.Resources & Frameworks Referenced Flanders Quality Model — an integrated approach to quality managementPhysician Quality Improvement program in British ColumbiaEast London NHS Foundation Trust improvement journeyThe High Velocity EdgeSeamlessMDLeading Quality is a podcast for healthcare leaders committed to improving systems, culture, and outcomes. If you found this episode valuable, follow the show, rate and review the podcast, or share it with a colleague working to improve care. Connect with Jason Meadows on LinkedIn for more insights on healthcare quality and leadership. New episodes published every other Thursday at 7AM Eastern Time. Credits: Host, Writer, and Executive Producer Jason Meadows, MD Produced by Thrive Healthcare Improvement Edited by Milan Milosavljevic

    Lessons From Year One: Building a Healthcare Learning System
  3. Aug 13

    Designing High-Velocity Organizations in Healthcare with Dr. Steve Spear

    Why This Episode Matters Healthcare organizations often tolerate ambiguity, workarounds, and recurring operational problems until they produce serious harm. Dr. Steve Spear explains how leaders can apply the same disciplined thinking used in clinical diagnosis to the systems in which care is delivered—making problems visible early, investigating them rigorously, and building problem-solving capability throughout the organization. Key Ideas Explored High-performing organizations compete through distributed problem-solving capability.Standards work best as testable hypotheses, not rigid commands.Ambiguity and workarounds allow small problems to become serious failures.Amplification, slowification, and simplification create the conditions for learning.Leadership means developing others’ ability to see, solve, and share problems.Takeaways for Quality Leaders Go directly to the point of work and observe where staff experience friction or suffering.Create clear expectations that make deviations and emerging problems visible.Respond to reported problems with curiosity, presence, and practical support.Pause when work departs from expectations rather than pushing teams to work around it.Build capability in frontline leaders so improvement spreads without depending on a large central quality team.Continue the Conversation Steve Spear on LinkedIn or through the See To Solve website Resources & Frameworks Referenced Decoding the DNA of the Toyota Production SystemFixing Health Care from the Inside, TodayThe High-Velocity EdgeWiring the Winning OrganizationSee to Solve Leading Quality is a podcast for healthcare leaders committed to improving systems, culture, and outcomes. If you found this episode valuable, follow the show, rate and review the podcast, or share it with a colleague working to improve care. Connect with Jason Meadows on LinkedIn for more insights on healthcare quality and leadership. New episodes published every other Thursday at 7AM Eastern Time. Credits: Host, Writer, and Executive Producer Jason Meadows, MD Produced by Thrive Healthcare Improvement Edited by Milan Milosavljevic

    Designing High-Velocity Organizations in Healthcare with Dr. Steve Spear
  4. Jul 30

    Healthcare Needs a GPS for Life Outside the Hospital with Dr. Joshua Liu

    Why This Episode Matters Patients spend most of their lives outside the hospital, yet healthcare teams often have limited visibility into what happens after discharge, between visits, or during long-term recovery. In this episode, Dr. Joshua Liu discusses how SeamlessMD was built to close that gap by helping patients navigate clinical journeys, giving care teams better insight into patient progress, and showing why successful health technology depends as much on workflow, incentives, and leadership alignment as it does on the product itself. Key Ideas Explored The “black hole” after discharge and why patients need more support outside the hospitalSeamlessMD as a healthcare GPS for surgery, chronic disease, cancer care, pregnancy, and recoveryWhy surgical pathways were easier to scale than complex chronic disease managementHow workflow fit determines whether health technology helps or burdens care teamsWhy strong outcome data may still fail to drive adoption without strategic and financial alignmentTakeaways for Quality Leaders Look beyond the hospital walls when designing quality and safety interventions.Do not assume better data or better outcomes will automatically create executive buy-in.Evaluate technology by how well it fits real clinical workflows, not just by its features.Engage both frontline teams and senior leaders early if pilots are expected to scale.Use patient questions and after-hours concerns as signals for improving education, navigation, and care design.Continue the Conversation Joshua Liu - LinkedIn SeamlessMD Resources & Frameworks Referenced Retrieval augmented generationOntario Health at HomeLeading Quality is a podcast for healthcare leaders committed to improving systems, culture, and outcomes. If you found this episode valuable, follow the show, rate and review the podcast, or share it with a colleague working to improve care. Connect with Jason Meadows on LinkedIn for more insights on healthcare quality and leadership. New episodes published every other Thursday at 7AM Eastern Time. Credits: Host, Writer, and Executive Producer Jason Meadows, MD Produced by Thrive Healthcare Improvement Edited by Milan Milosavljevic

    Healthcare Needs a GPS for Life Outside the Hospital with Dr. Joshua Liu
  5. Jul 16

    Why Healthcare Improvement Gets Stuck in the Sidecar with Ken Segel

    Why This Episode Matters Healthcare has made real gains in quality and safety, but Ken Segel argues that too much improvement work still lives as projects, dashboards, or specialist-led initiatives rather than as part of how organizations are run every day. This episode examines what it takes to move from episodic improvement to habitual excellence: a clinical operating system where safety, flow, problem solving, leadership, and accountability are built into daily work. Key Ideas Explored  The Pittsburgh Regional Healthcare Initiative and the early proof that zero harm could be pursued across competing hospitals  Why safety, quality, patient experience, access, and cost are all connected through the flow of care  The clinical operating system: the work system, the problem-solving system, and the leadership system  Why quality and safety experts should advise operating leaders rather than own the work from the sidecar  The shift from rear-view mirror problem solving to real-time learning while information is still fresh Takeaways for Quality Leaders  Look at whether improvement work is central to operations or still peripheral to how care is actually managed.  Treat quality and safety as operating responsibilities, not just specialist functions or compliance activities.  Go to where the work happens and observe how care flows, how problems surface, and how leaders respond.  Build problem solving into daily management rather than relying only on retrospective reviews and dashboards.  Use discipline to free clinical expertise, not constrain it. Continue the Conversation Ken Segel on LinkedIn Ken Segel at Value Capture The Habitual Excellence Podcast Resources & Frameworks Referenced  Pittsburgh Regional Healthcare Initiative  Value Capture  Value Capture Canada  Toyota Production System  Decoding the DNA of the Toyota Production System (The Four Rules in Use)  Shingo Institute  Prisma Health PulseLeading Quality is a podcast for healthcare leaders committed to improving systems, culture, and outcomes. If you found this episode valuable, follow the show, rate and review the podcast, or share it with a colleague working to improve care. Connect with Jason Meadows on LinkedIn for more insights on healthcare quality and leadership. New episodes published every other Thursday at 7AM Eastern Time. Credits: Host, Writer, and Executive Producer Jason Meadows, MD Produced by Thrive Healthcare Improvement Edited by Milan Milosavljevic

    Why Healthcare Improvement Gets Stuck in the Sidecar with Ken Segel
  6. Jul 2

    Putting Safety Into the Genome of Healthcare with Dr. Peter Lachman

    Why This Episode Matters Patient safety has often been built around what happens after harm occurs: incident reports, investigations, accountability, and corrective action. In this episode, Dr. Peter Lachman argues for a more proactive and moral view of safety: one where teams talk about risk every day, anticipate who may be harmed next, and make safety part of the “genome” of healthcare education, leadership, governance, and frontline work. Key Ideas Explored  The early safety event that became Dr. Lachman’s “big why” for patient safety work.  Why professionalism and good intentions are not enough to make care safe.  The shift from retrospective harm review to proactive risk prediction.  The SAFE program as a practical way to help frontline teams talk about safety every day.  Why safety and quality need to become social movements, not just programs or products. Takeaways for Quality Leaders  Treat adverse events as signals of system design, not simply individual failure.  Build daily routines that help teams ask who is at risk before harm occurs.  Make safety part of training, clinical reasoning, and leadership language from the start.  Pay attention to culture: what people talk about, what they notice, and what they are willing to learn from.  In low-resource settings, do not underestimate the power of people, relationships, and practical methods. Continue the Conversation Dr. Peter Lachman on LinkedIn Resources & Frameworks Referenced  SAFE program / Situation Awareness for Everyone  Patient Safety Movement Foundation Kiani Fellowship  The Institute for Healthcare Improvement (IHI)  To Err Is Human (Institute of Medicine Report, 1999) Crossing the Quality Chasm (Institute of Medicine Report, 2001) Donabedian’s structure-process-outcome model  SEIPS model / Systems Engineering Initiative for Patient Safety  Safety-I and Safety-II  Great Ormond Street patient and family safety reporting work FlaQuM / House of Trust model  Quality 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0  Patient safety as a social movementLeading Quality is a podcast for healthcare leaders committed to improving systems, culture, and outcomes. If you found this episode valuable, follow the show, rate and review the podcast, or share it with a colleague working to improve care. Connect with Jason Meadows on LinkedIn for more insights on healthcare quality and leadership. New episodes published every other Thursday at 7AM Eastern Time. Credits: Host, Writer, and Executive Producer Jason Meadows, MD Produced by Thrive Healthcare Improvement Edited by Milan Milosavljevic

    Putting Safety Into the Genome of Healthcare with Dr. Peter Lachman
  7. Jun 18

    Why Healthcare Leaders Only See the Tip of the Iceberg with Maria Mentzer

    Why This Episode Matters Healthcare organizations often know they have problems with flow, safety, delays, frustration, and waste, but they may not actually see the work clearly enough to solve them. In this conversation, Maria Mentzer explains how See to Solve helps organizations surface hidden problems, involve the people closest to the work, and build practical problem-solving capability through simple, repeatable behaviors rather than heavy improvement infrastructure or abstract training. Key Ideas Explored Why leaders often see only the tip of the iceberg of organizational problems How See to Solve helps teams make work visible before jumping to solutions The role of process and relationship mapping in creating shared understanding Why leadership support is essential for sustaining improvement behavior How small, rapid experiments help teams generate learning instead of just implementing fixes Takeaways for Quality Leaders Start with a narrow slice of real work rather than trying to solve the whole system at once. Involve the people who actually do the work; they see barriers leaders often cannot. Treat mapping as a way to create insight, connection, and energy for change. Make leadership participation visible, practical, and sustained beyond the first workshop. Build internal coaching capacity so improvement becomes part of daily work, not a consultant-dependent event. Continue the Conversation Maria Mentzer on LinkedIn Resources & Frameworks Referenced See to SolveDecoding the DNA of the Toyota Production SystemThe High-Velocity Edge Iceberg of Ignorance (Sidney Yoshida) Disclosure: This episode is not sponsored. Jason has no financial or commercial relationship with See to Solve. The conversation reflects his editorial interest in the work and in Steven Spear’s contributions to improvement science. Leading Quality is a podcast for healthcare leaders committed to improving systems, culture, and outcomes. If you found this episode valuable, follow the show, rate and review the podcast, or share it with a colleague working to improve care. Connect with Jason Meadows on LinkedIn for more insights on healthcare quality and leadership. New episodes published every other Thursday at 7AM Eastern Time. Credits: Host, Writer, and Executive Producer Jason Meadows, MD Produced by Thrive Healthcare Improvement Edited by Milan Milosavljevic

    Why Healthcare Leaders Only See the Tip of the Iceberg with Maria Mentzer
  8. Jun 4

    The Architecture of Belief: Amar Shah on Improvement at NHS Scale

    Why This Episode Matters Healthcare organizations often treat improvement as a set of projects, tools, or training programs. Amar Shah’s work at East London NHS Foundation Trust (ELFT) and NHS England points to something larger: the long-term work of building belief, capability, infrastructure, and leadership routines so improvement becomes part of how a health system thinks and operates. This conversation explores what it takes to move from local improvement activity to organization-wide and national-scale improvement strategy. Key Ideas Explored Building belief as a core design challenge in improvement Moving from centralized QI support to distributed improvement capability Why storytelling is essential improvement infrastructureCo-design as both an ethical commitment and a driver of better results Scaling improvement from ELFT to NHS England’s national improvement work Takeaways for Quality Leaders Treat belief in improvement as something you must deliberately build, not something you can mandate. Invest in stories that make improvement visible, credible, and emotionally meaningful. Build distributed coaching capability so improvement support lives closer to the work. Help boards learn improvement through better questions, better data, and better routines. Use co-design early and seriously, especially when tackling complex system problems. Continue the Conversation with Dr. Amar Shah LinkedIn Resources & Frameworks Referenced NHS IMPACTNHS Frailty improvement collaborativeKostal & Shah, Putting improvement in everyone’s handsIHI/ELFT, Fostering an Improvement CultureShah, Applying improvement to the co-creation of quality Shah, How to move beyond quality improvement projects Leading Quality is a podcast for healthcare leaders committed to improving systems, culture, and outcomes. If you found this episode valuable, follow the show, rate and review the podcast, or share it with a colleague working to improve care. Connect with Jason Meadows on LinkedIn for more insights on healthcare quality and leadership. New episodes published every other Thursday at 7AM Eastern Time. Credits: Host, Writer, and Executive Producer Jason Meadows, MD Produced by Thrive Healthcare Improvement Edited by Milan Milosavljevic

    The Architecture of Belief: Amar Shah on Improvement at NHS Scale

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Welcome to Leading Quality, the show that dives into the real-world stories and strategies of healthcare quality improvement leaders at all levels, from Frontline Champions to C-Suite Executives.  Each episode uncovers how these dedicated professionals tackle complex topics in real healthcare environments.  Discussion range from QI fundamentals, to leadership, technology, AI, and beyond. If you’re passionate about elevating patient care and want practical insights that go beyond the buzzwords, this podcast is for you. Tune in for inspirational conversations, innovative frameworks, and the behind-the-scenes details you won’t hear anywhere else, and discover how you, too, can lead quality improvement from wherever you stand in healthcare.