The HX Collective

The HX Collective

The HX Collective explores the human experience through three main channels of life: work, relationships, and self. With raw, authentic conversations, the podcast investigates how challenges can become powerful teachers, leading to personal growth and deeper connections. Rooted in humanity-centered design, each episode reflects a commitment to doing good and doing well, featuring diverse voices and generational perspectives. Expect gripping stories of struggle and success, with thought-provoking discussions and concrete tools and tactics that encourage you to rethink your relationship with dis

  1. Aug 5

    relationships - the operating system nobody wrote down

    In this episode, Deb Knupp reconnects with returning HX Ally Ali Schroer, MSW, LCSW, C-PD, founder of Mental Scope Consulting and Schroer Counseling and Consulting, for a conversation that reframes one of the most familiar words in modern leadership: intentionality. Ali coaches high performers through both the reactive side of wellbeing (crisis, burnout, AI-era anxiety) and the proactive side (the habits and culture that prevent the crisis in the first place). But this conversation isn't really about the office — it's about what happens when that same high performer walks in the front door. At the center is a reframe Ali has offered dozens of leaders: a family has everything an organization has — mission, stakeholders, budget, calendar, culture, communication style, even onboarding — but almost none of the intentionality. Most families run on inherited defaults, and it's only when a leader who'd never skip a one-on-one at work starts skipping them at home that the cracks show. What follows is a practical map for closing that gap: four pillars of a healthy family system, the difference between fixing people and tending patterns, and why repair, not perfection, is the goal. Key Highlights Why intentionality — the trait that separates high-performing leaders at work — is almost entirely absent from how most people run their familiesAli's four pillars of a healthy family system: shared purpose, clear roles, rhythms, and a culture of feedbackWhy assuming "silence means everything is fine" is one of the most dangerous patterns a family (or organization) can fall intoThe three leadership skills that most often break down between office and kitchen: listening to understand, emotional regulation under stress, and boundariesWhy Ali coaches "work-life harmony" instead of "work-life balance," and what an idle switch looks like in practiceFamily systems therapy in plain terms: why no one's struggle belongs to them aloneThree mindset shifts for leading a family well: from default to design, from fixing people to tending systems, from performance to presence — plus a bonus fourth: repair over perfectionA real-time example of repair caught mid-tension in a parking lot: naming a feeling, taming it, and addressing it out loud Quote of the Episode"If you've never let your team run without intention, don't let your family run without intention." – Ali Schroer The 3-by-30 Takeaway Put one important relationship on the calendar this week — a standing date with a partner, child, parent, or sibling — and protect it like a client meeting.Next time tension boils over at home, practice naming the feeling, taming it, and addressing it out loud, even if the repair happens later.Call a five-minute family meeting this week. Ask one question: what's working, what's not? Ice cream optional, but recommended.About Our GuestAli Schroer, MSW, LCSW, C-PD, is a licensed clinical social worker with 18 years of experience and founder/executive director of Mental Scope Consulting, a corporate wellbeing firm serving law, financial, and professional service firms. She's also founder of Schroer Counseling and Consulting, a Denver-based psychotherapy practice, and a returning HX Collective ally. A parent herself, Ali brings the same rigor she applies in boardrooms to what makes a family flourish. Connect with Ali SchroerConnect with Ali on LinkedIn Learn more about Mental Scope Consulting About The HX CollectiveThe HX Collective explores the human experience through three lenses — work, relationships, and self — through raw, authentic conversations rooted in human-centered design.

  2. Jul 15

    relationships - letting go without leaving

    In this episode, Deb Knupp welcomes back Rick Wellock and Amy Wellock Staggs of The Wellock Group for a second, more personal conversation. While their first appearance focused on leadership development and human flourishing, this episode turns inward, to the story of a father and daughter building a business together, and what it takes to navigate succession with intention, honesty, and love. Rick, now in his 79th year, and Amy, his daughter and business partner, walk through the texture of their working relationship: how Amy found her way into the work after years of searching for her place in creative and relational fields, how Rick invited her in without ever making it feel like a formal handoff, and how they continue to work through friction toward a healthier way of relating. What emerges is a conversation less about strategy and more about presence, the idea that succession is not a single leap into the future, but something that happens in the small, repeated choices made right now. Key Highlights Why Rick and Amy describe their work together not as a hierarchy but a reciprocal relationship, and what it means to work through friction together to build trust The story of young Amy organizing her room through the eyes of her eight dolls, and why Rick says that is exactly the same gift she brings to client work today Amy's path from theater and arts management into executive coaching, and the realization that what she had always loved was relationship, connection, and cohesion, not the creative medium itself Why letting go does not mean leaving, and how succession can be reframed as staying present and creating space, rather than stepping out The four buckets Amy and Rick use to keep their relationship healthy: parent and child, partner and co-owner, grandparent dynamic, and thought partners Why grief is sometimes part of letting go, and why that grief does not have to be the place you stay Rick's closing counsel for parents bringing the next generation into a business: know your lane, stay in your lane, and pay attention to the integrity of the means, not just the mission Quote of the Episode "Remember who you are and who you belong to. You will always know how to be and what to do." – Rick Wellock About Our Guests Rick Wellock and Amy Wellock Staggs are the father-daughter team behind The Wellock Group, a firm focused on leadership transformation, executive coaching, and helping individuals and organizations find their fullest expression in work, relationships, and self. Rick brings decades of experience as an elder, thinking partner, and diagnostic advisor to executive teams, while Amy works closely with individual leaders and their teams on culture, connection, and growth. Together they describe their approach as relationship-first: rigorous, not soft, and rooted in the belief that one person gets things done, but several people build something that lasts. Connect with Amy Wellock Staggs and Rick Wellock: Website: https://www.thewellockgroup.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amy-wellock-staggs-6a014a163/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rick-wellock-9a74a850/ About The HX Collective The HX Collective explores the human experience through three lenses: work, relationships and self, through raw, authentic conversations rooted in human-centered design. Each episode offers gripping stories, thought-provoking discussion, and concrete tools that help you rethink your relationship with distress and strengthen your whole human experience.

  3. Jul 15

    self - the one thing AI can't optimize

    In this episode, Deb Knupp welcomes back one of the HX Collective's most beloved returning guests, Bob Craig, a 40-year technologist and 25-year CIO who has spent the last three years on a deliberate journey of self-discovery. Bob brings a rare combination of hard-won technical credibility and deep personal reflection, and the conversation that unfolds is one of the most thought-provoking the podcast has produced. Together, Deb and Bob explore what it truly means to be human in an age of accelerating artificial intelligence, not as a warning, but as an invitation. At the heart of this conversation is Bob's work with the concept of the liminal mind: the practice of getting comfortable living inside unresolved questions, holding tension without fear, and trusting that the way forward will emerge. He draws on the framework of primal intelligence, four distinctly human powers that no algorithm can replicate, and makes the case that understanding our own neural architecture may be the most important preparation any leader or professional can do right now. KEY HIGHLIGHTS Why Bob describes his three-year retirement as a "highlight reel" and what it feels like to look back on your life with a new emotional awareness that changes how you see every chapter.The concept of the liminal mind and why getting comfortable in the questions is one of the most powerful cognitive skills a human being can develop.A breakdown of the four primal powers of human intelligence and why the gap between your conscious mind and your subconscious mind is one of the most important facts a leader can internalize.The reticular activating system (RAS): what it is, why it matters, and how understanding this bundle of nerves at the base of your brain stem can help you make sense of your emotional reactions in real time.Why the spectrum between dystopian fear and utopian delusion about AI is equally dangerous on both ends and what a grounded, human-centered relationship with AI actually looks like in practice.How Bob uses a multi-role AI prompting model to simulate the kind of diverse perspectives he used to manage as a CIO, and why he sees this as a parallel to leadership, not a replacement for it.The Liminal Mind Cohort: what Bob has built, why vulnerability is the real power move in a peer community, and what it means to show up authentically in a space designed for deep self-discovery.The perspective shift as a daily practice and why teaching an eight-year-old to journal gives Bob more hope for the future than almost anything else he has encountered. QUOTE OF THE EPISODE "My body can process 11 million bits per second. I should listen." - Bob Craig ABOUT OUR GUEST Bob Craig is a retired 40-year technologist and 25-year Chief Information Officer who led technology strategy at the highest levels of the legal industry. Since stepping away from his executive career, Bob has devoted himself to a deliberate journey of self-discovery, exploring the intersection of human cognition, emotional intelligence, and the future of AI through the lens of primal intelligence and the liminal mind. He is the founder of the Liminal Mind Cohort, a small-group experience designed to help professionals develop the inner capacity to navigate uncertainty, lead with authenticity, and flourish in the age of AI. Bob's thinking draws on the work of Angus Fletcher at Ohio State, whose research on primal intelligence informs the four human powers at the center of this conversation. Connect with Bob Craig: Bob Craig on LinkedIn Angus Fletcher’s book, Primal Intelligence ABOUT THE HX COLLECTIVE The HX Collective explores the human experience through three lenses: work, relationships, and self, through raw, authentic conversations rooted in human-centered design. Each episode offers gripping stories, thought-provoking discussion, and concrete tools that help you rethink your relationship with distress and strengthen your whole human experience.

  4. Jul 15

    self - redefining success, surviving cancer, and the power of going first

    In this episode, Deb Knupp sits down with longtime friend and legal marketing leader Laura Gutierrez, Director of Referral Partnerships at JD Supra, for an unflinching conversation about what it really means to flourish. Laura has spent two decades building a career around writing and connection in the legal industry, but it's her life outside the job title that gives this conversation its weight: a stage 3B cancer diagnosis at 36, a subsequent autism and ADHD diagnosis, single parenthood, and a hard-won decision to stop climbing a ladder that no longer made sense to her. Underneath the career talk is a deeper thread about suffering, support, and visibility. Laura speaks candidly about how much harder the post-cancer chapter was than treatment itself, the judgment that can follow survivors, and why she's chosen to be loud and open about her experience so other people don't have to feel as alone as she did. She and Deb land on curiosity as the antidote, an active choice to lean into people's differences instead of away from them, and a reminder that what we live, not what we say, is what actually gets passed on. Key Highlights Why Laura walked away from the traditional "title ladder" in legal marketing and chose purpose and skill over the next promotion. What it was like to be diagnosed with stage 3B cancer at 36, and how facing mortality reordered her sense of what actually matters. Why the post-cancer chapter is often harder than treatment itself, and the quiet judgment survivors can face once they're technically "fine." How being upfront about your own limits, and helping someone find the right resource, can be more useful than trying to be everything for a person who's struggling.  The practice of "going first," modeling vulnerability so other people feel safe enough to share their own story. Why curiosity, not advice, is the real superpower when someone in your life seems different, struggling, or hard to understand. Quote of the Episode "Don't be afraid to get it wrong. How else do you learn other than by making mistakes?" – Laura Gutierrez About Our Guest Laura Gutierrez is the Director of Referral Partnerships at JD Supra, bringing expertise in legal marketing and business development, with a career built on fostering strategic alliances and driving growth within the legal services sector. Her path has included roles at EM Dash FWD, Content Pilot LLC, and Nilan Johnson Lewis. A stage 3B cancer diagnosis at 36, followed by a later autism and ADHD diagnosis, reshaped how Laura thinks about success, time, and what she's willing to sacrifice for work. Connect with Laura Gutierrez LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurajgutierrez/  Learn more about JD Supra: https://www.jdsupra.com/  Learn more about ABCD: After Breast Cancer Diagnosis: https://abcdbreastcancersupport.org/  Visit Laura’s Website: https://horrorhating.com/  About The HX Collective The HX Collective explores the human experience through three lenses: work, relationships and self, through raw, authentic conversations rooted in human-centered design. Each episode offers gripping stories, thought-provoking discussion, and concrete tools that help you rethink your relationship with distress and strengthen your whole human experience.

  5. Jul 15

    work - you carry your calling with you

    In this episode, Deb Knupp sits down with Joanna Meyer, founder and executive director of Women, Work, and Calling at the Denver Institute for Faith and Work and author of the book Women, Work, and Calling. Through a rich, deeply personal conversation, Joanna reframes calling not as a destination to hunt for but as a through line woven through every season of work and life. Drawing on 12 years at a faith-based nonprofit and a patchwork career that spans international student ministry, global telecom, and nonprofit consulting, she brings both theological grounding and hard-won practical wisdom to one of the most compelling questions in leadership: what does it mean to do work that truly matters? At the heart of the conversation is a clarifying distinction: values, purpose, and calling are not interchangeable words for the same idea. They are separate concepts that, understood together, become a powerful framework for navigating career transitions, organizational culture, and the universal human need to feel that your work is worth your one life. Joanna grounds the conversation in the Latin root of vocation and invites listeners into a more expansive, whole-life understanding of calling that frees them from the pressure of finding the one right thing and instead asks: how am I faithfully stewarding who I am in every space I fill? KEY HIGHLIGHTS Why calling is not a specific destination to hunt for but a through line connecting every season of professional and personal life. The moment inside a corporate implementation project that convinced Joanna a values-based leader can create outsized impact in any industry. How regional culture quietly shapes our definitions of success, and why surfacing those cultural idols is the first step toward building a leadership identity that is truly your own. Why the rise of AI makes it more urgent than ever for organizations to have razor clarity about what it means to be human.  What it looks like to live out calling in the most unglamorous places.  Practical counsel for the person who feels soul-crushed at work. Why a sense of calling untethered from a specific role makes leaders and professionals more resilient. QUOTE OF THE EPISODE "Calling isn't a specific destination we're trying to determine. It's a through line that we see in our lives." — Joanna Meyer ABOUT OUR GUEST Joanna Meyer is the founder and executive director of Women, Work, and Calling at the Denver Institute for Faith and Work, a faith-based nonprofit in the Denver metro area where she has spent the last 12 years building programming, thought leadership, and community at the intersection of faith, vocation, and public life. Her career spans international student ministry across the University of Nebraska and Latin America, organizational development in global telecom, nonprofit consulting, and leadership development — a patchwork quilt of experiences that informs her deeply integrated view of work and calling. She is the author of Women, Work, and Calling, a 20-chapter devotional-style book designed for women of faith navigating ambition, purpose, and identity in a complex working world. Joanna is a speaker, writer, and organizational leader whose work invites people to stop searching for calling as if it were a needle in a haystack, and instead discover it as the thread already running through their lives. CONNECT WITH JOANNA MEYER Joanna Meyer on LinkedIn Buy a copy of Women, Work, and Calling (book): Learn more about the Denver Institute for Faith and Work ABOUT THE HX COLLECTIVE The HX Collective explores the human experience through three lenses: work, relationships, and self, through raw, authentic conversations rooted in human-centered design. Each episode offers gripping stories, thought-provoking discussion, and concrete tools that help you rethink your relationship with distress and strengthen your whole human experience.

  6. Jul 15

    relationships - grief, hope, and what our mothers leave behind

    In this episode, Deb Knupp sits down with friend and Faegre Drinker partner Sean Metherell for an unplanned, deeply personal conversation that began professionally and turned into a Mother's Day tribute. Recorded on the eve of the holiday and just past the one-year anniversary of his mother's passing, Sean and Deb discover they share more than a working relationship. They are both navigating life after losing their mothers within months of each other. What unfolds is a conversation about grief as a non-linear process, hope as a discipline, and the quiet, radical act of men opening up about what they carry. Underlying the conversation is a reframe of grief not as something to "get over," but as direct evidence of how deeply someone was loved. Sean shares how his mother, a single mother of four who became a nurse, modeled a kind of love that asked for nothing in return  and how losing her cracked open a part of him that had been dormant since college: a return to philosophy, to writing, and to a public, vulnerable practice of sharing what he's learned. The result is not a tidy resolution. It is two people holding sadness and gratitude at the same time, and inviting listeners to do the same. Key Highlights How a conversation that started as business between Deb and Sean turned into a mutual, unplanned exchange about losing their mothers  and what that says about holding space for people you only know in one context. Sean's work as an eminent domain lawyer and partner at Faegre Drinker, and how the discipline of legal problem-solving shapes (and is shaped by) his personal writing. Why grief, for Sean, is "two things at once": sadness for the loss and gratitude for the love, and why that paradox doesn't have to be resolved to be lived with. F. Scott Fitzgerald's test of first-rate intelligence, and how Sean uses it as a personal compass for holding hope and hopelessness at the same time. A candid conversation about men, emotional expression, and why Sean has "never felt stronger as a man" the more he's opened up. Why hope, unlike a pyramid scheme, is an exponential model that actually works; one person, one honest conversation, at a time. Quote of the Episode "Grief that is so enormous is actually a reflection of how great the love was on the other side of it." – Sean Metherell About Our Guest Sean Metherell is a partner in the real estate litigation practice at Faegre Drinker, where he specializes in eminent domain law. Outside the courtroom, Sean has become a voice for grief, hope, and human flourishing through his Substack and Instagram, writing and recording reflections that began as a way to process the loss of his mother in January 2025 and have since resonated with readers navigating their own losses. He is husband to an avid reader, father to a nearly-10-year-old daughter, an enthusiastic cyclist, and a devoted student of philosophy.  Connect with Sean Metherell Read Sean's Substack: https://seanmetherell.substack.com/  Follow Sean on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/seanmetherell  Connect with Sean on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanmetherell/  Learn more about Sean's work at Faegre Drinker: https://www.faegredrinker.com/ About The HX Collective The HX Collective explores the human experience through three lenses: work, relationships and self, through raw, authentic conversations rooted in human-centered design. Each episode offers gripping stories, thought-provoking discussion, and concrete tools that help you rethink your relationship with distress and strengthen your whole human experience.

  7. Jul 15

    relationships - the quiet power of making connections

    In this conversation, Deb and Suzanne Massel explore networking not as a transactional exercise, but as a deeply human practice rooted in connection, curiosity, and community. What emerges throughout the discussion is a quiet but important reframe: the relationships that shape our lives and careers are rarely built through performance or self-promotion, but through genuine interest, thoughtful conversation, and the willingness to stay open to possibility over time. Underlying the episode is a recognition that modern life increasingly pulls people apart, through remote work, digital communication, political division, and even the growing presence of AI. Rather than resisting those realities through force or hustle, Suzanne argues for something far more foundational: rebuilding the skill of human connection itself. The conversation gradually reveals that networking, at its best, is less about “working a room” and more about learning how to create trust, reciprocity, and belonging in every season of life. Key Highlights Why the traditional image of networking often creates resistance and what changes when it becomes an act of relationship-building instead How informational interviews can accelerate clarity, confidence, and opportunity for emerging professionals What leaders lose when they stop making intentional connections across teams, departments, and communities Why introverts may actually be uniquely equipped for authentic networking when preparation replaces performance How trust and generosity create long-term opportunities that often reappear years later in unexpected ways What AI cannot replace when it comes to human communication, empathy, and influence Quote of the Episode “Anybody in life and business can succeed better in community than alone.” – Suzanne Massel The 3-by-30 Takeaway Reach out to one person this week simply to learn from them, without asking for anything in return. Prepare two thoughtful questions before your next professional or social event to make connection feel easier and more natural. Reconnect with someone you genuinely valued, even if years have passed since your last conversation. About Our Guest Suzanne Massel is a certified professional coach who works with attorneys, executives, and professionals navigating growth, transition, and leadership complexity. After more than three decades practicing law, including more than twenty years as a litigation partner and subsequent in-house leadership roles, Suzanne developed a deep understanding of how individuals experience success, pressure, and change inside organizations. Today, she helps clients reconnect with their values, clarify their goals, and design practical strategies that align achievement with meaning. Her work sits at the intersection of personal insight and professional development, helping individuals build careers that reflect not only ambition but authenticity. Connect with Suzanne Massel Connect with Suzanne on ⁠LinkedIn⁠ ⁠Learn more⁠ about Suzanne  About The HX Collective The HX Collective explores the human experience through three lenses: work, relationships and self, through raw, authentic conversations rooted in human-centered design. Each episode offers gripping stories, thought-provoking discussion, and concrete tools that help you rethink your relationship with distress and strengthen your whole human experience.

  8. Jul 15

    work - leadership as a human practice

    In this conversation, Deb and Andrew Cohn explore leadership not as a performance exercise, but as a deeply human practice rooted in reflection, intentionality, and presence. What emerges throughout the discussion is a quiet but meaningful reframe: flourishing at work and in life rarely comes from controlling more, achieving more, or optimizing more. Instead, it often begins with the willingness to slow down enough to examine how we relate to time, purpose, relationships, and ourselves. Underlying the episode is a recognition that modern leadership increasingly pulls people into overwhelm, fragmentation, and disconnection. Through stories from his early legal career, his transition into executive coaching, and his work in spiritual psychology, Andrew argues for something far more foundational than productivity or performance frameworks: a return to reflection, gratitude, and conscious connection. The conversation gradually reveals that leadership, at its best, is less about building loyalty to ourselves and more about helping people become more connected to who they are, what matters to them, and how they want to move through the world. Key Highlights Why “finding time” is one of the most misleading ideas in modern leadership What Andrew learned from walking away from a successful legal career just before partnership How gratitude practices can fundamentally reshape the way leaders experience stress and overwhelm Why connection at work no longer happens accidentally  and what leaders must do differently now The distinction between creating purpose versus discovering what already exists within you How reflective practices help leaders recognize the behaviors that actually create change Why the strongest leaders build loyalty to a mission rather than loyalty to themselves Quote of the Episode “Life is really short, and it goes by fast. So what needs to be said? What do I need to remember?” – Andrew Cohn The 3-by-30 Takeaway Stop waiting to “find time” and start making intentional decisions about where your energy and attention actually belong. Build a simple daily reflection practice around moments that made you feel energized, grounded, or fully alive. Invite the people closest to you to help reinforce the boundaries and priorities you say matter most. About Our Guest Andrew Cohn is the founder of Lighthouse Consulting, where he works with leaders and organizations as an executive coach, counselor, and consultant. After beginning his professional life as a litigator in Los Angeles, Andrew transitioned into work focused on leadership development, reflection, and human flourishing. He is also the host of the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast, where he explores the intersection of leadership, spirituality, meaning, and personal growth through thoughtful conversations with leaders across industries. Connect with Andrew Connect with Andrew on LinkedIn Learn more about Andrew and Lighthouse Consulting Listen to the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast About The HX Collective The HX Collective explores the human experience through three lenses: work, relationships and self, through raw, authentic conversations rooted in human-centered design. Each episode offers gripping stories, thought-provoking discussion, and concrete tools that help you rethink your relationship with distress and strengthen your whole human experience.

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The HX Collective explores the human experience through three main channels of life: work, relationships, and self. With raw, authentic conversations, the podcast investigates how challenges can become powerful teachers, leading to personal growth and deeper connections. Rooted in humanity-centered design, each episode reflects a commitment to doing good and doing well, featuring diverse voices and generational perspectives. Expect gripping stories of struggle and success, with thought-provoking discussions and concrete tools and tactics that encourage you to rethink your relationship with dis