Beyond the Status Quo

Kathryn Gorman
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Beyond the Status Quo is the podcast for purpose-driven changemakers. They are executive leaders and boards who are ready to question inherited systems. The world is shifting but many leadership models haven't caught up: we're still rewarding control over connection, certainty over nuance and status over substance. Brave, values-lead leadership isn't just possible. it's already happening. And it's exactly what the world needs. On this podcast, we bring together cross-sector voices who go beneath the surface to explore what meaningful change really takes - and what's already underway. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Episodes

  1. Jillian Reilly- Permission to Question the Status Quo

    FEB 12

    Jillian Reilly- Permission to Question the Status Quo

    In this episode, facilitator and author of The 10 Permissions, Jillian Reilly joins Tamara and Kathryn for a powerful conversation about what it really means to question the status quo, not as rebellion, but as a deeply human act of listening inward, honouring integrity, and navigating uncertainty with courage. Jillian reflects on the early moment she realised the “default path” wasn’t hers, and how that instinct, before she had language for it, shaped a very different trajectory. She shares candidly about her rapid rise in international development, the disillusionment that followed, and the difficult decision to step away from work that no longer aligned with her values. Together, they explore the myth of the secure linear career, the tension between privilege and risk, and why adaptability is becoming essential as institutions no longer guarantee stability. Jillian also reflects on how young people are still trained to seek external validation, even as the world increasingly demands creativity, originality and inner authority. Key takeaways • Intuition is a valid guide. Many people are never taught they’re allowed to trust their inner voice. • Questioning the status quo often starts as a feeling, not a logical plan. • Integrity requires alignment. Staying in roles that contradict our values creates deep internal conflict. • Courage is contextual. There’s an important difference between discomfort and real danger. • The “secure path” is disappearing. The old promises of safety through compliance no longer hold. • Adaptability is now a core life skill. Reinvention and entrepreneurial thinking are becoming essential. • Human skills matter more than ever. Creativity, connection and originality rise as knowledge becomes commodified. • Young people need permission to explore. Pivoting, experimenting and puzzling things out matter more than following a script. • Optimism is a form of agency. It allows people to reclaim their power and shape their own path. • The future requires puzzling, not predicting. Uncertainty brings risk and a wider field of possibility. Links The Ten Permissions - Rewrite the Rules. Design Your Life. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    25 min
  2. Adam Kahane: Radical Engagement in Fractured Times

    JAN 30

    Adam Kahane: Radical Engagement in Fractured Times

    Radical Engagement for Fractured Times — Episode Summary In this episode, systems change practitioner, author and long‑time collaborator across conflict lines Adam Kahane joins us to explore what it means to engage radically in a world that is fracturing at speed. Drawing on his decades of work in some of the world’s most divided contexts - from South Africa’s transition to democracy to multi‑stakeholder conflicts across business, politics and civil society - Adam reflects on why our old models of leadership no longer work in the volatility we now face. He invites us to rethink how we show up with those we don’t agree with, like or trust, and why transforming systems requires us to step forward with difference rather than retreat from it. In a moment where political polarisation is deepening and institutions are cracking under pressure, Adam offers a grounded, hopeful and deeply practical way of navigating uncertainty: through radical engagement, everyday habits, and the courage to collaborate across boundaries without abandoning our values. TakeawaysRadical engagement is a foundational habit for transforming systems, requiring us to lean in rather than stand back.We don’t need full alignment to move forward. Progress often begins with small, imperfect steps taken together.Collaborating with people we don’t agree with, like or trust is increasingly essential, and increasingly difficult, in today’s polarised world.Disagreement is not a barrier to collaboration; learning to disagree well is a leadership skill we urgently need.Cracks in our systems reveal both danger and possibility, they expose what’s been hidden and invite new ways of working.Understanding others doesn’t mean agreeing with them; it means seeing more of the system so we can act more wisely.Leaning forward, listening deeply and looking for what’s unseen helps us move beyond superficial engagement.Systemic change is always a collective act, never the work of one person or one organisation.Working across difference clarifies our values and boundaries, rather than diluting them.Feeling our way forward, one step at a time, is often the only viable path in volatile, uncertain environments.Links Adam Kahane Connect with Tamara LinkedIn:Tamara Zaple Rolfs FCCT | LinkedIn Email: tamara@my-delta.co.uk Connect with Kathryn LinkedIn: Kathryn Gorman FCCT | LinkedIn Email: kathryn@clarioneducation.co.uk Feedback Thank you for listening to Beyond the Status Quo. Please do connect with us or like and share the Podcast. If you have any feedback, please email us or click on this link to a short feedback form: https://forms.gle/7H2NZDvC92Go56ZE8 It helps us to improve the podcast and make sure it is giving you what you need. Thank you! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    35 min
  3. Megan Reitz- Spaciousness in a Noisy World

    JAN 15

    Megan Reitz- Spaciousness in a Noisy World

    Spaciousness in a Noisy World — Episode SummaryIn this episode, leadership thinker, researcher and author Megan Reitz joins us to explore what it means to create spaciousness in a world that feels increasingly frantic, noisy and attention‑hungry. Drawing on her research into mindfulness, speaking truth to power and the dynamics of attention, Megan reflects on how modern workplaces have become “pathologically busy” and why so many leaders struggle to pause, listen and make wiser choices. She ultimately invites us to rethink how we use our attention, how we define achievement, and how we might reclaim the space needed for more human, thoughtful leadership. TakeawaysSpaciousness enables wiser, more grounded leadership.Modern workplaces often confuse activity with effectiveness.Our attention is constantly pulled, shaped and colonised by noise and urgency.Leaders profoundly influence whether others feel able to speak up.Psychological safety requires leaders to examine their own habits, not “fix” others.Pausing is a radical act in environments addicted to speed and certainty.Mindfulness helps create space between stimulus and response.Intergenerational tensions often reflect broader societal pressures, not simple differences in attitude.Success needs redefining beyond productivity and constant busyness.Creating reflective space is essential for insight, connection and meaningful change. Links Megan Reitz Connect with Tamara LinkedIn:Tamara Zaple Rolfs FCCT | LinkedIn Email: tamara@my-delta.co.uk Connect with Kathryn LinkedIn: Kathryn Gorman FCCT | LinkedIn Email: kathryn@clarioneducation.co.uk Feedback Thank you for listening to Beyond the Status Quo. Please do connect with us or like and share the Podcast. If you have any feedback, please email us or click on this link to a short feedback form: https://forms.gle/7H2NZDvC92Go56ZE8 It helps us to improve the podcast and make sure it is giving you what you need. Thank you! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    45 min
  4. Episode 5 - Disruptive Leadership with purpose with Nick Osborne

    12/19/2025

    Episode 5 - Disruptive Leadership with purpose with Nick Osborne

    Summary In this episode, Nick Osborne, the founding CEO of Maritime Academy Trust, discusses his journey in education, emphasising the importance of questioning the status quo, the role of humour in leadership, and the necessity of vulnerability. He shares insights on positive disruption in education, the significance of board support, and building trust within organisations. Nick encourages leaders to focus on their passions and highlights the need for honesty and openness in addressing challenges. The conversation concludes with a message of hope and the idea that everyone is navigating their paths, often making it up as they go along. Takeaways Questioning the status quo is essential for growth.Humour can create bonds and foster honesty in the workplace.Vulnerability is a powerful leadership trait.Positive disruption is necessary for educational improvement.Support from the board is crucial for implementing change.Building trust requires honesty and openness.Finding joy in work enhances resilience and effectiveness.Education systems have more autonomy than often perceived.Sharing failures is as important as celebrating successes.Hope can be found in the freedom to pursue passions in education. Links Maritime Academy Trust - Home Connect with Tamara LinkedIn: (1) Tamara Zaple Rolfs FCCT | LinkedIn Email: tamara@my-delta.co.uk Connect with Kathryn LinkedIn: (1) Kathryn Gorman FCCT | LinkedIn Email: kathryn@clarioneducation.co.uk Feedback Thank you for listening to Beyond the Status Quo. Please do connect with us or like and share the Podcast. If you have any feedback, please email us: it helps us to improve the podcast and make sure it is giving you what you need. Thank you! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    29 min
  5. Episode 4 - Astrid Korin Leading with Purpose: From the Inside Out

    11/28/2025

    Episode 4 - Astrid Korin Leading with Purpose: From the Inside Out

    In this episode of Beyond the Status Quo, hosts Tamara Zaple Rolfs and Kathryn Gorman discuss the importance of challenging the status quo in leadership, the dynamics of power in organisations, and the role of resilience and self-awareness in effective leadership with organisational coach and mentor, Astrid Korin. They explore how education shapes leadership styles and the necessity of creating psychological safety within organisations to foster growth and innovation. The conversation emphasises the need for leaders to be authentic, aware, and compassionate while navigating complex systems and challenges. Key takeaways Challenging the status quo can be subtle and collaborative.Resilience in leadership is a continuous practice, not a goal.Self-awareness is crucial for authentic leadership.Education often perpetuates compliance rather than creativity.Creating psychological safety is essential for effective leadership.Power dynamics in organisations can hinder collaboration.Leaders must support others to grow and learn.Compassionate leadership does not equate to lowered expectations.Awareness of human behavior is vital for effective leadership.Unlearning compliance is necessary for thriving in the workplace. You can find more information about Astrid's work and her course 'Inside Out' here Transformational coaching — Astrid Korin Coaching If you are interested in the theory and practice of Psychological Safety, then the go-to text is here Psychological Safety – Amy C. Edmondson Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    26 min
  6. David Liddle - Host Reflections

    11/14/2025

    David Liddle - Host Reflections

    In this reflective conversation, Tamara Zaple Rolfs and Kathryn Gorman discuss their insightful podcast episode with David Liddell, focusing on the importance of translating theory into action within leadership and organisational culture. They explore the evolution of leadership towards integrative approaches that prioritize listening and valuing diverse voices, as well as the role of conflict in fostering positive change. The discussion emphasises the need for intentionality in creating a culture that aligns business needs with human values, highlighting the complexities and challenges leaders face in this endeavour. Takeaways Theory into action is essential for effective leadership.Leaders must be culture architects, designing intentional workplace cultures.Listening to diverse voices is crucial for conflict resolution.Conflict can be a positive force for change.Leadership today requires integrating various values and perspectives.Creating a values-driven culture is complex and challenging.Psychological safety is increasingly recognised in workplace dynamics.Humanity should be central to organisational policies.Business needs and people’s needs can coexist harmoniously.Courage and bravery are necessary in questioning the status quo. Useful Links David Liddle. | The TCM Group Recommended Reading | The TCM Group Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    9 min
  7. Episode 3 - Tipping the Balance: from conflict to connection with David Liddle

    10/31/2025

    Episode 3 - Tipping the Balance: from conflict to connection with David Liddle

    In this episode of Beyond the Status Quo, David Liddell, a recognized authority in people, culture, and conflict management, shares his insights on challenging the status quo in organisations. He discusses the importance of transformational leadership, the need for connection and belonging in workplaces, and the role of policies in shaping organisational culture. David introduces his Align Model, emphasising the significance of listening, inclusion, and nurturing growth. He advocates for constructive conflict and the necessity of a counter narrative in today's polarised society, encouraging leaders to be courageous and open to challenges. Takeaways David Liddell emphasizes the importance of breaking the status quo in organisations - but not recklesslyTransformational leadership requires a focus on connection and belonging.Policies should be designed to foster positive behaviours and culture.Conflict can be constructive if approached with psychological safety.The Align Model offers a framework for effective leadership and organisational culture.Listening and inclusion are critical for effective leadership.Organisations must create a counter narrative to divisive societal messages.Values should be lived and reflected in organisational policies.Leaders should be open to challenges and different perspectives.Courage and collaboration are essential for meaningful change. Useful links David Liddle. | The TCM Group Transformational Culture: Develop a People-Centred Organization for Improved Performance : Liddle, David: Amazon.co.uk: Books Recommended Reading | The TCM Group Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    53 min
  8. Wayne Norrie - Host reflections

    10/17/2025 · BONUS

    Wayne Norrie - Host reflections

    In this conversation, Tamara and Kathryn discuss their insights from a recent interview with Wayne, focusing on challenging educational norms, reframing autonomy, the courage of conviction in leadership, and the importance of community engagement. They explore how effective leadership requires understanding the unique needs of different communities and the balance between authority and flexibility in educational settings. Takeaways Challenging the norms within education is essential for progress.Reframing autonomy can empower leaders to make effective decisions.Courage of conviction allows leaders to say no to directives that don't fit their context.Understanding the specific needs of communities is crucial for effective leadership.Every school can be outstanding in different moments, depending on context.Listening deeply to communities enhances leadership effectiveness.Agency in education empowers individuals to drive change.Delegating tasks and accountability are often misunderstood in educational settings.Storytelling is a powerful tool for sharing insights and experiences.Cross-sector learning can enhance educational practices. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    8 min
  9. Episode 2 - Challenging the norms in education with Wayne Norrie OBE

    10/03/2025

    Episode 2 - Challenging the norms in education with Wayne Norrie OBE

    In this insightful conversation, Wayne Norrie OBE, CEO of Greenwood Academy Trust, discusses his journey in education, emphasising the importance of challenging the status quo, community engagement, and the need for autonomy in schools. He shares his experiences of leadership, the significance of inspirational role models, and the systemic issues facing the education sector today. Wayne advocates for a focus on critical thinking and listening skills, highlighting the need for a more flexible and responsive education system that prepares students for a complex world. Takeaways Wayne Norrie is a rebel CEO advocating for underserved communities.Challenging the status quo often starts from early life experiences.Leadership should focus on place-based approaches rather than one-size-fits-all models.Autonomy in schools is crucial for effective community engagement.Engaging communities requires a bottom-up approach, starting from individual schools.Inspirational leaders like Sue Campbell and Jacinda Ardern emphasise kindness and tenacity.The education system needs to address systemic issues, particularly around SEND.Positivity in education can be found in the classroom experience with students.Schools must prepare students for a complex and rapidly changing world.Listening is a vital skill that needs to be taught and practiced. Further reading and resources Greenwood Academies Trust - Home Future of Education and Skills 2030/2040 | OECD fedNationalEducationFutures - FED Education Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    47 min
  10. Shane Leaning - Host reflections

    09/24/2025 · BONUS

    Shane Leaning - Host reflections

    In this conversation, Kathryn and Tamara reflect on their conversation with Shane Leaning and explore the significance of curiosity in leadership, discussing the barriers that prevent leaders from asking questions and the importance of creating a psychologically safe environment. They also delve into the double diamond model as a framework for collaborative problem-solving and the role of uncertainty in leadership. Takeaways Leaders need to be curious to guide change. Time constraints hinder leaders from asking questions. Leaders are often expected to have all the answers. Empowering others is crucial for effective leadership. Creating a safe environment encourages risk-taking. Curiosity fosters trust within teams. The double diamond model aids in collaborative solutions. Uncertainty can create psychological discomfort. A supportive culture is essential for open dialogue. Leaders should focus on asking questions rather than providing answers. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    8 min
  11. Episode 1 - Curiouser and Curiouser with Shane Leaning

    09/18/2025

    Episode 1 - Curiouser and Curiouser with Shane Leaning

    Summary In this engaging conversation, Shane, Kathryn, and Tamara explore the themes of leadership, change management, and the importance of questioning the status quo in education. They discuss personal experiences with curiosity, humility, and the need for trust in leadership roles. The conversation also delves into the significance of listening to stakeholders, the effectiveness of different leadership styles, and the value of external perspectives in driving sustainable change. The discussion culminates in a call for curiosity and humility as essential traits for leaders navigating complex educational environments. Their takeaways: It's important to question the status quo in education.Curiosity drives meaningful conversations and change.Humility is a strength in leadership.Trust is essential for effective leadership.Listening to stakeholders fosters collaboration and trust.Different leadership styles can be effective in various contexts.Change management requires a community-aligned goal.Questions can unlock deeper understanding and engagement.The Double Diamond model offers a framework for change.Learning from other cultures enhances educational practices. Change can feel hard. If you're currently leading change or planning to do so, this conversation offers advice gained from experience and provides reassurance and helpful pointers so that you can do so thoughtfully alongside your community. Wider reading and resources Change Starts Here — ShaneLeaning.com The Double Diamond - Design Council Rebel Ideas: The Power of Diverse Thinking - Matthew Syed Consulting Connect with Kathryn LinkedIn: Kathryn Gorman FCCT | LinkedIn Instagram: @this.is.clarion Email: kathryn@clarioneducation.co.uk Connect with Tamara LinkedIn: Tamara Zaple Rolfs FCCT | LinkedIn Instagram: @this.is.my.delta Email: tamara@my-delta.co.uk Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    42 min

  12. 09/11/2025

    Why Beyond the Status Quo? Why now?

    In this inaugural episode of Beyond the Status Quo, hosts Tamara Zaple Rolfs and Kathryn Gorman discuss the motivations behind launching the podcast, their shared interests in leadership, complex systems, and the importance of values in navigating change. They emphasise the need for curiosity and learning from diverse perspectives, particularly in a rapidly changing world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    8 min
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Beyond the Status Quo is the podcast for purpose-driven changemakers. They are executive leaders and boards who are ready to question inherited systems. The world is shifting but many leadership models haven't caught up: we're still rewarding control over connection, certainty over nuance and status over substance. Brave, values-lead leadership isn't just possible. it's already happening. And it's exactly what the world needs. On this podcast, we bring together cross-sector voices who go beneath the surface to explore what meaningful change really takes - and what's already underway. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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  • Creator
    Kathryn Gorman
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    12
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © Kathryn Gorman
  • Show Website
    Beyond the Status Quo