This Way Up South Africa

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Welcome to This Way Up — the podcast that shines a light on South Africa’s changemakers. Each episode, we bring you powerful stories from individuals driving social and cultural transformation through bold, innovative projects. Join us for inspiring conversations about passion, purpose, and the people reshaping our future.

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Joni Brenner - Artist, Lecturer, and Marigold Bead Project Partner

In this episode, we hear from the amazing Joni Brenner, an artist helping a cooperative of women in Zimbabwe to produce beads that are not just beautiful necklaces but also an enterprise that sustains the livelihoods of women and their families. Joni shares how it all began with a “happy accident,” which led to collaborations with William Kentridge, among others, and how openness and serendipity foster creativity.
Jul 1

We Are Who We’ve Been Waiting For: Nomsa Mazwai and Community Development South Africa

In this episode, we talk to Nomsa Mazwai, an economist, musician, social entrepreneur and Fulbright scholar whose work offers a distinctive perspective on community development South Africa. From pioneering Soweto Night Out, an innovative tourism initiative designed to create safer public spaces while generating local economic opportunities, to developing new social enterprise ideas and recording music inspired by her own journey, Nomsa combines intellectual rigour with a deep commitment to service. Nomsa's work crosses boundaries between economics, creativity and community action. Rather than treating unemployment, safety and inequality as separate problems, she is interested in how ideas can create practical opportunities for people while strengthening the places in which they live. One example is Soweto Night Out, an initiative that reimagines how people experience Soweto after dark. The idea connects tourism with local economic activity and safer public spaces, demonstrating how social entrepreneurship can address several needs at once. Visitors gain a different experience of Soweto while local communities have the opportunity to benefit economically. In our conversation, Nomsa talks candidly about entrepreneurship and what it takes to keep developing ideas when success is far from guaranteed. We discuss unemployment in South Africa, innovation, leadership and the challenge of turning ambitious concepts into sustainable projects. For Nomsa, community development South Africa needs cannot be separated from economic opportunity. People need more than encouragement: they need ways to participate, earn, create and build. Her approach is rooted in finding practical connections between individual initiative and wider social change. We also explore the personal side of that work. Nomsa reflects on resilience, faith and mental health, and on the determination required to continue creating when circumstances become difficult. Her music provides another form of expression, allowing her to explore experiences and ideas that do not necessarily fit within the language of economics or entrepreneurship. The conversation moves between the personal and the political, from creative expression and purpose to women's safety, community projects and the economic pressures facing many South Africans. Nomsa is particularly interested in solutions that recognise the strengths already present within communities rather than assuming change must always come from outside. Her work also raises wider questions about social impact. What makes an idea genuinely useful? How do you create opportunities that benefit more than one person? And how can innovation help communities respond to problems that may otherwise seem too large or entrenched to change? Community development in South Africa requires imagination as well as persistence. Nomsa's journey shows both: a willingness to think differently about familiar problems and the resilience to keep working when an idea encounters obstacles. This is a conversation about entrepreneurship, community, women's safety, social change, creativity and the determination to keep building solutions even when the challenges appear impossible.
Jul 1

Noelene Kotschan and PinkDrive: Changing Cancer Screening in South Africa

Noelene Kotschan is the founder and CEO of PinkDrive, a pioneering organisation changing cancer screening in South Africa by taking vital health services directly to communities. What began as a response to the devastating impact of breast cancer has grown into a nationwide effort to make early detection accessible to people who might otherwise struggle to reach screening services. PinkDrive's mobile health units travel across South Africa, bringing cancer screening and health education closer to the people who need them. In our conversation, Noelene talks about the realities of cancer in South Africa and why early detection can make such an enormous difference. She explains how PinkDrive works, the challenges of reaching underserved communities and why taking screening services directly to people can remove some of the barriers that prevent cancers being detected early. But this is also the story of how one person's determination can grow into something much bigger. Noelene talks candidly about building PinkDrive, finding the support needed to keep it moving and the persistence required to turn an idea into an organisation capable of creating real social impact. We also explore the wider inequalities surrounding healthcare in South Africa. Where you live, what you earn and whether you can easily reach a health facility can all affect access to screening. PinkDrive's approach is deliberately practical: instead of waiting for people to find the service, the service goes to them. The conversation ranges from breast cancer and cancer screening to community health, early detection and the extraordinary amount of work that goes on behind the scenes to keep mobile health services on the road. Noelene also reflects on what she has learned from the people and communities PinkDrive has encountered along the way. This is a conversation about cancer South Africa cannot afford to ignore, but it is also about solutions: what becomes possible when healthcare is taken beyond conventional facilities and directly into communities. Noelene's story demonstrates how an ambitious idea can become practical action, and how persistence, partnerships and community engagement can help make potentially life-saving services accessible to more South Africans.
Jun 16

Carol Dyanti: Growing Hope Through Community Development South Africa

Carol's approach is rooted in the belief that lasting change cannot simply be imposed from outside. It grows through relationships, trust and an understanding of what people actually need. Her work combines compassion with action, helping individuals and families build greater security while strengthening the communities around them. In this conversation, Carol talks about the experiences that led her to this work and the realities she encounters on the ground. We discuss poverty, inequality, women's empowerment and the pressures facing children and families in communities where opportunities can be painfully limited. Her story is also about resilience. Carol has seen what happens when people are given support rather than written off, and when communities are encouraged to recognise their own strengths. For her, community development South Africa needs is not about arriving with ready-made answers. It means listening, building relationships and helping people develop solutions that can endure. Through Uzima, Carol has worked to create safer environments and opportunities for people whose lives may have been shaped by circumstances beyond their control. We talk about the importance of empowering women, protecting children and addressing the social conditions that leave people vulnerable. Carol also reflects on leadership and service. Community projects can begin with ambitious ideas, but their real impact is measured in individual lives: a child who feels safe, a woman who begins to see new possibilities, or a family that receives the support it needs to move forward. Our conversation explores social change South Africa is still working towards, the importance of community action and why grassroots organisations matter. We discuss women's empowerment in South Africa, the challenges facing vulnerable communities and the determination required to continue working when the scale of the problems can seem overwhelming. Community development in South Africa can sustain itself if people are prepared to stay involved for the long term. Carol's work is grounded in that commitment: not simply identifying what is wrong, but continuing to build relationships, create opportunities and help people imagine something better. This is a conversation about community, resilience, women, children and hope. Carol's story reminds us that meaningful social impact does not always arrive through dramatic interventions. Sometimes it grows slowly, through people who keep showing up and doing the work..”
May 29

Ferial Adams: Championing Citizen Science for Clean Water

Ferial Adams is an environmental justice activist showing how citizen science can give ordinary people the evidence they need to fight for clean, safe water. Across South Africa, communities struggling with water pollution are often told there is no problem, or wait months and even years for action. Ferial's work demonstrates how testing the water themselves can begin to change that. Through WaterCAN, Ferial has helped put simple water-testing tools into the hands of communities, enabling people to collect evidence about the quality of the water they drink and the rivers and streams around them. Citizen science turns frustration into something much harder to dismiss: data. In our conversation, Ferial explains how citizen science works in practice and why access to reliable information matters. We talk about water quality in South Africa, environmental activism and what happens when communities are given the tools to investigate problems for themselves rather than having to wait for authorities to act. She shares stories of communities that have used water testing to expose contamination and push for practical change. One particularly striking example comes from KwaZulu-Natal, where a community that had lived without piped water for years was able to produce evidence of contamination. The result was action: water tanks arrived and piped water followed. But this conversation goes beyond water testing. Ferial talks about environmental justice, community action and the importance of ensuring that people have both a voice and the evidence to support it. Her work challenges the idea that science belongs only in laboratories or universities. Citizen science can happen in homes, neighbourhoods and beside polluted rivers, wherever people need reliable information about the environment around them. We also explore the wider problem of water pollution in South Africa and the gap that can exist between official assurances and people's everyday experience. For communities living with unsafe or unreliable water, collecting their own evidence can be a powerful first step towards demanding accountability. Ferial's story is ultimately about what happens when knowledge becomes practical. Citizen science does not replace scientists, municipalities or government agencies, but it can give communities a way to participate, ask better questions and demonstrate when something is wrong. This is a conversation about clean water, environmental activism, social change and the power of communities to become active participants in protecting their own environment. It is also a reminder that sometimes change begins with something surprisingly simple: testing the water and finding out what is really there.
May 11

Chantal Nativel: Fighting River Pollution and Restoring Johannesburg’s Rivers

Chantal Nativel is an environmental activist taking on river pollution in Johannesburg, where neglected waterways have become dumping grounds for waste, sewage and plastic. Rather than waiting for somebody else to solve the problem, Chantal decided to start with the river running through her own community and see what one determined person could do. What began with picking rubbish out of the water grew into a much larger campaign to restore and protect Johannesburg's rivers. Chantal's work demonstrates how environmental activism can begin at an intensely local level, with one person noticing a problem, refusing to accept it and persuading others to become part of the solution. In our conversation, Chantal talks about the reality of river pollution and what she has learned from spending years working directly in and around polluted waterways. We discuss the sources of the waste entering Johannesburg's rivers, the effect on communities and wildlife, and the enormous challenge of keeping waterways clean when new pollution continually flows downstream. But cleaning a river is only part of the answer. Chantal explains why lasting change also depends on understanding where pollution comes from, working with communities and encouraging people to see rivers not as convenient places to dump waste but as living ecosystems worth protecting. Her story is also about persistence. Environmental problems can feel overwhelming, particularly when they involve failing infrastructure, water pollution and behaviour that no individual can change alone. Chantal's response has been to concentrate on what can be done: organise clean-ups, build community involvement, raise awareness and keep drawing attention to what is happening in the water. We talk about environmental activism in South Africa, community action and the relationship between healthy rivers and healthy neighbourhoods. Chantal also reflects on the people she has met through her work and the way practical action can change how communities think about the natural spaces around them. River pollution is not simply an environmental problem. Polluted waterways affect people, wildlife and the wider ecosystems on which communities depend. Chantal's work shows why conservation and social change often have to happen together, particularly in an urban environment such as Johannesburg. This is a conversation about river pollution, environmental responsibility and the power of grassroots action. Chantal's experience is a reminder that restoring a river can begin with something very small: one person deciding that walking past the problem is no longer enough.
Apr 28

Welcome Witbooi: Gangsterism, Second Chances and Community Development South Africa

Welcome Witbooi's extraordinary story brings community development South Africa into sharp focus, showing how the most difficult personal experiences can become a force for change.Today, as director of the Brightspark Foundation, he works with young people and communities to tackle some of the circumstances that allow gangs and crime to flourish. His story gives him an unusual understanding of both the attraction of gang culture and the enormous difficulty of leaving it behind. In our conversation, Welcome talks candidly about growing up in Valhalla Park on the Cape Flats, becoming involved in gangsterism and eventually finding himself in Pollsmoor Prison. He reflects on the choices he made, the environment around him and the experiences that began to change the direction of his life. But this is not simply a story about crime or prison. It is about what happens afterwards. Welcome explains how his past became the foundation for work focused on youth development, social change and community development in South Africa. Rather than allowing his history to define the limits of his future, he has used what he learned to reach young people facing some of the same pressures he once faced himself. Through the Brightspark Foundation, Welcome works to create opportunities, build resilience and encourage young people to imagine lives beyond gangs and violence. We discuss why meaningful community projects need to understand the realities young people are living with, and why lasting social impact depends on more than simply telling them to make different choices. Welcome also talks about leadership, responsibility and the importance of people who are prepared to return to their own communities and become part of the solution. His experience shows how grassroots action can grow from lived experience and how people who understand a problem from the inside can sometimes be uniquely placed to challenge it. Our conversation explores gangsterism in South Africa, youth development, community projects and the difficult work of creating social change where poverty, violence and limited opportunities can shape young people's futures. Welcome's journey is ultimately about transformation, but also about purpose. Community development in South Africa is not an abstract idea in his story. It is practical, personal work: reaching young people before their choices close around them and helping to create opportunities for a different future. This is a conversation about second chances, community, leadership and the possibility of turning experience into action.
Mar 21

Bokashi Bran and Composting South Africa: Turning Food Waste into a Resource

Bokashi Bran is offering a practical approach to composting South Africa can use to turn everyday food waste into something useful rather than sending it to landfill. Food waste is a surprisingly large environmental problem. Every day, valuable organic material is thrown away and transported to landfill, where it becomes part of a much wider waste problem. Bokashi provides an alternative by allowing food waste to be fermented in a sealed container before being returned to the soil. Bronwyn explains the process and why bokashi can deal with materials that people may hesitate to put into an ordinary compost heap. We talk about what goes into a bokashi bin, the role played by the bran, what happens during fermentation and what you can do with the resulting material. For people interested in composting South Africa presents some particular challenges, from different climates and living conditions to the practical question of what to do with household food waste when space is limited. Bokashi can be used on a relatively small scale, making it an option for people who may not have room for a conventional compost heap. But our conversation goes beyond the mechanics of making compost. We talk about recycling, sustainability and the wider question of how we think about waste. Food scraps are generally treated as something to be thrown away, yet they contain nutrients that can be returned to the soil rather than lost to landfill. Bronwyn also explains what happens after fermentation and how bokashi material can contribute to healthier soil. For gardeners, it provides a way of connecting what happens in the kitchen with what happens in the garden: yesterday's food waste can eventually help support tomorrow's plants. Composting South Africa's organic waste will not solve the country's waste problems on its own, but household actions can form part of a much larger change in how resources are used. Bokashi demonstrates how a relatively simple system can reduce waste while producing something valuable at the same time. We also explore why changing everyday habits matters. Recycling South Africa's waste streams requires solutions at many different levels, but reducing the amount of organic material sent to landfill is one practical place for individuals and communities to begin. This is a conversation about bokashi, food waste, recycling, sustainability and composting South Africa can put into practice at household level. It shows that something we routinely call waste can instead become a resource, and that environmental change can sometimes begin with something as ordinary as what we scrape from our plates.
Mar 9

Sifiso Gumbi: Entrepreneurship, Opportunity and Building a Better South Africa

Sifiso Gumbi believes entrepreneurship can create opportunities where conventional routes into employment have failed. In this episode of This Way Up, he talks about enterprise, innovation and the practical work of helping people build livelihoods and create possibilities for themselves in South Africa. Sifiso's story is grounded in the belief that economic opportunity does not have to begin with a conventional job. For people facing unemployment or limited access to established career paths, entrepreneurship can offer another route: identifying a need, developing an idea and finding a way to turn that idea into something sustainable. In our conversation, Sifiso talks about his own journey and the experiences that shaped the way he thinks about business, opportunity and social impact. We explore what it actually takes to move from an idea to action, and why determination matters when the obstacles facing a new entrepreneur can seem overwhelming. We also talk about entrepreneurship in South Africa and the particular challenges faced by people trying to start or grow businesses with limited resources. Access to finance matters, but so do confidence, knowledge, networks and the ability to recognise opportunities that other people may overlook. Sifiso is interested not simply in individual success but in what enterprise can contribute to communities. A small business can create income for its founder, but it can also generate employment, develop skills and keep economic activity within a community. That makes entrepreneurship part of a much wider conversation about social change and economic participation. Our discussion explores innovation, leadership and the importance of giving people the tools to build rather than simply waiting for opportunities to arrive. Sifiso reflects on the lessons he has learned, the mistakes that are inevitably part of creating something new and the resilience required to continue when an idea does not work immediately. We also consider the relationship between entrepreneurship and unemployment in South Africa. There are no simple solutions to the country's employment challenges, but supporting people who want to create businesses and develop new ideas can be one part of building a more inclusive economy. For Sifiso, entrepreneurship is ultimately about possibility: seeing resources, skills and opportunities where others may see only limitations. His work demonstrates why innovation does not belong only to large companies or well-funded startups. It can begin with an individual who notices a problem and decides to do something about it. This is a conversation about entrepreneurship, business, innovation, resilience and opportunity, and about the people finding practical ways to build their own futures while contributing to the communities around them.
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This Way Up: Conversations About Social Change South Africa

This Way Up is a podcast about the people creating social change South Africa needs, often in unexpected, practical and deeply personal ways. Hosted by Babette Gallard, the series meets people who see something that isn't working and decide to do something about it. These aren't conversations about abstract solutions. They are stories about people putting ideas into practice: cleaning polluted rivers, testing unsafe water, creating opportunities for young people, supporting vulnerable communities, tackling food waste, improving cancer awareness and finding new ways to build stronger communities. Across South Africa, individuals and organisations are responding to difficult problems with imagination, persistence and an extraordinary willingness to act. This Way Up goes looking for those people and asks a simple question: what happens when someone decides that things could be better? The guests come from very different backgrounds. They include environmental activists, social entrepreneurs, community leaders, scientists, campaigners, educators and ordinary people who have found themselves doing extraordinary things. What connects them is the decision to move beyond identifying a problem and begin creating a solution. Some of the stories are about the environment: citizen scientists gathering evidence about polluted water, people finding new ways to deal with food waste, and activists fighting to restore damaged rivers. Others focus on community development, entrepreneurship, health, education, women's empowerment and opportunities for young people. Together, they offer a different way of looking at social change South Africa is experiencing. The country's challenges are real, but so are the people working every day to address them. The conversations are also about what happens behind the achievements. Change rarely follows a neat path. Guests talk about setbacks, resistance, mistakes and the moments when continuing seemed impossible. They also explain what kept them going and what they have learned along the way. This Way Up is interested in grassroots action because large problems can make individual action seem insignificant. These stories suggest otherwise. A water test can provide a community with evidence. A small business can create employment. A recycling project can change how people think about waste. One person's decision to act can draw others into a much larger movement. The podcast explores community development in South Africa, environmental action, social entrepreneurship, conservation, health, innovation and the many different ways people create meaningful social impact. At its heart, This Way Up is about possibility. Social change South Africa can sustain does not depend on one kind of person or one perfect solution. It grows through thousands of actions, ideas and relationships, and through people prepared to keep trying when something matters. If you are interested in South Africa, community action, environmental solutions, entrepreneurship, resilience and people finding practical ways to make things better, This Way Up is for you.

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This Way Up: Conversations About Social Change South Africa

This Way Up is a podcast about the people creating social change South Africa needs, often in unexpected, practical and deeply personal ways. Hosted by Babette Gallard, the series meets people who see something that isn't working and decide to do something about it. These aren't conversations about abstract solutions. They are stories about people putting ideas into practice: cleaning polluted rivers, testing unsafe water, creating opportunities for young people, supporting vulnerable communities, tackling food waste, improving cancer awareness and finding new ways to build stronger communities. Across South Africa, individuals and organisations are responding to difficult problems with imagination, persistence and an extraordinary willingness to act. This Way Up goes looking for those people and asks a simple question: what happens when someone decides that things could be better? The guests come from very different backgrounds. They include environmental activists, social entrepreneurs, community leaders, scientists, campaigners, educators and ordinary people who have found themselves doing extraordinary things. What connects them is the decision to move beyond identifying a problem and begin creating a solution. Some of the stories are about the environment: citizen scientists gathering evidence about polluted water, people finding new ways to deal with food waste, and activists fighting to restore damaged rivers. Others focus on community development, entrepreneurship, health, education, women's empowerment and opportunities for young people. Together, they offer a different way of looking at social change South Africa is experiencing. The country's challenges are real, but so are the people working every day to address them. The conversations are also about what happens behind the achievements. Change rarely follows a neat path. Guests talk about setbacks, resistance, mistakes and the moments when continuing seemed impossible. They also explain what kept them going and what they have learned along the way. This Way Up is interested in grassroots action because large problems can make individual action seem insignificant. These stories suggest otherwise. A water test can provide a community with evidence. A small business can create employment. A recycling project can change how people think about waste. One person's decision to act can draw others into a much larger movement. The podcast explores community development in South Africa, environmental action, social entrepreneurship, conservation, health, innovation and the many different ways people create meaningful social impact. At its heart, This Way Up is about possibility. Social change South Africa can sustain does not depend on one kind of person or one perfect solution. It grows through thousands of actions, ideas and relationships, and through people prepared to keep trying when something matters. If you are interested in South Africa, community action, environmental solutions, entrepreneurship, resilience and people finding practical ways to make things better, This Way Up is for you.

Welcome to This Way Up — the podcast that shines a light on South Africa’s changemakers. Each episode, we bring you powerful stories from individuals driving social and cultural transformation through bold, innovative projects. Join us for inspiring conversations about passion, purpose, and the people reshaping our future.

Creator

Terry Shakinovsky & Babette Gallard
Years Active

2025 - 2026
Episodes

10
Rating

Clean
Show Website

This Way Up South Africa