How’s That Working for You? (HTWFY)

The Cairnmillar Institute

A Podcast for the Therapy Curious – for anyone working in the mental health field who wonders if they’re doing a good job, if they know what they need to know or who sometimes ask an uncaring universe - Why didn’t they teach us about this stuff?! This is the place to satisfy your desire to find out more about what makes therapy – and therapists – tick. Produced by Dr Christine Brown and brought to you by CMI.

  1. Jun 1

    How's that Working for You Episode 10 "The Role of Lived Experience of the Therapist"

    In this episode of How’s That Working For You?, host Dr Zoe Krupka speaks with counsellor, psychotherapist, educator, author and CMI Alumni Rebecca (Bec) Harris about the role of lived experience in therapeutic practice. Together, they explore what we mean by “lived experience,” why some forms of self-disclosure are more accepted than others, and how therapists navigate the complex intersection of professional expertise and personal experience. Bec reflects on her work with young people, neurodivergent clients and LGBTIQA+ communities, sharing insights into the ways authenticity, compassion, and connection can deepen therapeutic relationships. The conversation also examines the ethics of therapist self-disclosure, the place of lived experience within psychology and psychotherapy, and how practitioners can thoughtfully balance professional boundaries with genuine human connection. Don't miss this thoughtful discussion on trauma-informed practice, identity, and what it means to bring our whole selves into therapeutic work. About Our Host Dr Zoe Krupka https://www.cairnmillar.org.au/staff/dr-zoe-krupka/ About Our Guest Rebecca Harris Rebecca Harris is a counsellor, psychotherapist, education consultant, and author with more than 20 years’ experience and has a private practice. She is the founder of Embedding Wellbeing, where she supports children, adults, families, schools, and organisations through trauma-informed approaches to wellbeing and mental health. Rebecca is recognised for her leadership in trauma-informed practice in education and is the author of Safe to Learn: Embedding Trauma-Informed Student Wellbeing Practices (Amba Press). https://embeddingwellbeing.com.au https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-harris-8311a6260/ https://www.instagram.com/embedding_wellbeing/ The Cairnmillar Institute For more information about our organisation, the services we offer, and how to donate, visit our website at www.cairnmillar.org.au. Coming up next Stay tuned for more inspiring conversations as we explore diverse aspects of wellbeing, mental health, and therapeutic practice. Thank you for joining us on the How’s That Working For You? podcast. Take care out there.   Disclaimer: This podcast is a space for open conversations, but it's important to remember that what you're hearing are the personal experiences and thoughts of our host and guests. While we're here to share insights, please don't take any of this as medical advice. If you have concerns about your mental health or wellbeing, please seek support from a qualified healthcare professional. This episode was recorded in 2026.

    43 min
  2. May 1

    How's that Working for You? - Episode 9 "Appearing in Court as a Therapist"

    In this episode of How's That Working For You, our host Dr Zoe chats with Greg Roberts as we discuss challenges of appearing in court as a therapist. Today we try to answer the important questions:  "What is it like to be in adversarial situation in court?", "How do we maintain the integrity of the relationships we have with our clients, and the integrity of our professions in that environment?" and "How do we prepare for a potentially public scenario where it's almost impossible to do a good job?" Don't miss the enlightening dialogue that unveils the therapist's journey and all its complexities.  About Our Host Dr Zoe Krupka  https://www.cairnmillar.org.au/staff/dr-zoe-krupka/   About Our Guest Greg Roberts Greg is a counsellor/therapist, social worker, group facilitator, lecturer/educator and clinical supervisor. Greg holds a Doctor of Philosophy (Focused on Grief and Bereavement) and has specialised in the field of grief, bereavement and trauma for 25 years. Greg has worked in acute health, community health and NGO settings with a focus on suicide bereavement, child loss, sudden and traumatic bereavement, palliative care, older adults, men’s health, regional health and people living with disabilities. https://www.grieftraumasupport.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-roberts-phd-1a8a8358/ The Cairnmillar Institute  For more information about our organisation, the services we offer, and how to donate, visit our website at www.cairnmillar.org.au.  Take care out there  Disclaimer: This podcast is a space for open conversations, but it's important to remember that what you're hearing are the personal experiences and thoughts of our host and guests. While we're here to share insights, please don't take any of this as medical advice. We're all wonderfully unique, so if you have medical concerns, it's a great idea to chat with your healthcare professional. While our content is informative, your trusted healthcare practitioner is the best source for tailored guidance. This episode was recorded on the 24th of February, 2026.

    57 min
  3. Mar 2

    How's that Working for You? - Episode 7 "Late-diagnosed Autistic Women"

    In this episode of How's That Working For You, our host Dr Zoe chats with Annie Pollock as we discuss late-diagnosed autistic women. Today we try to answer the important questions:  "Why does it takes so long for neurodivergent/autistic women to get diagnosed?" "How does the work of a clinical naturopath blend with the work of a psychologist?" "How do you manage relationships post diagnosis?" Don't miss the enlightening dialogue that unveils the therapist's journey and all its complexities.  About Our Host Dr Zoe Krupka  https://www.cairnmillar.org.au/staff/dr-zoe-krupka/   About Our Guest Annie Pollock Annie Pollock is a Clinical Naturopath and owner of Mind Naturopathy, where she specialises in holistic mental health support. She is also a psychologist-in-training, having recently completed her Honours year at the Cairnmillar Institute. Her Honours thesis, Late Bloomers: Exploring the Emotional Landscape of Autistic Women’s Experiences of a Late Autism Diagnosis, delves into the unique challenges and emotional experiences surrounding this phenomenon. As a late-diagnosed neurodivergent individual, Annie is a passionate advocate for neurodiversity-affirming care, both within her naturopathy practice and her future psychology work. She has a particular interest in supporting neurodivergent individuals with co-occurring health conditions, such as Pre-menstrual Dysphoric Disorder (PMDD), Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS), Endometriosis, hypermobility/Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome, Mast-Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS) and gastrointestinal and thyroid conditions. To connect with Annie, you can find her on Instagram or TikTok at @mindnaturopathy or visit her website at anniepollock.com http://www.anniepollock.com Late bloomers: Exploring the emotional landscape of Australian women’s experiences of a late Autism diagnosis - Annie Pollock, Zoë Krupka, 2026 The Cairnmillar Institute  For more information about our organisation, the services we offer, and how to donate, visit our website at www.cairnmillar.org.au.  Take care out there  Disclaimer: This podcast is a space for open conversations, but it's important to remember that what you're hearing are the personal experiences and thoughts of our host and guests. While we're here to share insights, please don't take any of this as medical advice. We're all wonderfully unique, so if you have medical concerns, it's a great idea to chat with your healthcare professional. While our content is informative, your trusted healthcare practitioner is the best source for tailored guidance. This episode was recorded on the 4th of December, 2024.

    42 min
  4. Feb 1

    How's that Working for You? - Episode 6 "Race in the Therapy Room"

    In this episode of How's That Working For You, our host Dr Zoe chats with Dr Kathomi Gatwiri as we discuss dealing with race in the therapy room. Today we try to answer the important questions:  "What is the difference between feeling at peace vs liberated?" "What nuances work and are promoted in the western non-black context but will not be effective for an African context?”  Don't miss the enlightening dialogue that unveils the therapist's journey and all its complexities.  About Our Host Dr Zoe Krupka  Dr Zoe Krupka is a psychotherapist, Senior Lecturer, and host of the podcast How's That Working For You? at the Cairnmillar Institute. Zoe writes regularly for industry publications and the media and provides commentary with a focus on relational ethics and understanding the therapeutic process. You can find her website at zoekrupka.com.   About Our Guest Dr Kathomi Gatwiri D Kathomi Gatwiri is a nationally recognised scholar, researcher, and leader whose work bridges academic research and community impact. She is a Professor in the Social Work Discipline at Flinders University and an ARC DECRA Fellow at the College of Education, Psychology and Social Work. As one of Australia’s leading Afro-diasporic scholars, Kathomi’s research focuses on decolonising methodologies and anti-racist pedagogies. Her interdisciplinary work explores racial trauma, identity, migranthood, and the experiences of minoritised people, particularly those assigned 'categories of difference’ in Australia. She developed the Racial Dignity Theory and the Racial Dignity Framework, as a tool for understanding racism as an assault on human dignity. This framework has been adopted across various organisational settings. Since completing her PhD, Dr Gatwiri has secured over $1.5 million in competitive research funding. She has published more than 100 traditional and non-traditional research outputs, including the books African Womanhood and Incontinent Bodies and Afrodiasporic Identities in Australia. She is the Founder and Director of Healing Together, a service offering culturally affirming therapeutic support for people impacted by racial trauma, and Femicide Count Kenya, a platform documenting murdered Kenyan women. She served for four years as President of the Australian Women and Gender Studies Association and is a member of the advisory committee for the Australian Human Rights Commission's Racism@Uni national study https://www.flinders.edu.au/people/kathomi.gatwiri  The Cairnmillar Institute  For more information about our organisation, the services we offer, and how to donate, visit our website at www.cairnmillar.org.au.  Coming up next  Stay tuned for more inspiring episodes as we explore diverse aspects of well-being, mental health, and the incredible world of therapy. In the next episode, we’ll be speaking to a Cairnmillar Alum about antiracist practice. Thank you for joining us on the "How's That Working For You" podcast.  Take care out there  Disclaimer: This podcast is a space for open conversations, but it's important to remember that what you're hearing are the personal experiences and thoughts of our host and guests. While we're here to share insights, please don't take any of this as medical advice. We're all wonderfully unique, so if you have medical concerns, it's a great idea to chat with your healthcare professional. While our content is informative, your trusted healthcare practitioner is the best source for tailored guidance. This episode was recorded on the 2nd of July, 2025.

    49 min
  5. 10/31/2025

    How's that Working for You? - Episode 3 "How do I manage conflict in therapy?"

    In this episode of How's That Working For You, our host Dr Zoe chats with Dr Lou Cooper about rupture and repair. Today we try to answer the important questions:  "How does psychotherapy really work?" "What does a good therapeutic relationship look like? How can we manage relationship difficulties in therapy?"  Don't miss this enlightening dialogue that unveils the therapist's journey and all its complexities.  About Our Host Dr Zoe Krupka  https://www.cairnmillar.org.au/staff/dr-zoe-krupka/  About our guest: Dr Lou Cooper  Dr Lou Cooper is an experienced presenter, facilitator, counsellor, clinical supervisor and trainer. Lou is an AHPRA registered supervisor, an internationally accredited supervisor in Emotion Focused Therapy, and Chair and Head of Training at the Australian Institute of Emotion Focused Therapy.   Host of the Emotion Focused podcast emotionfocused.com   Counselling psychologist  Head of Training at Australian Institute of Emotion Focused Therapy  http://aieft.org.au  https://www.emotionfocused.com/  The Cairnmillar Institute  Discover how our commitment to Better Mental Health can empower you on your personal journey. For more information about our organisation, the services we offer, and how to donate, visit our website at www.cairnmillar.org.au.  Coming up next  Stay tuned for more inspiring episodes as we explore diverse aspects of well-being, mental health, and the incredible world of therapy. Thank you for joining us on the "How's That Working For You" podcast.  Take care out there  Disclaimer: This podcast is a space for open conversations, but it's important to remember that what you're hearing are the personal experiences and thoughts of our host and guests. While we're here to share insights, please don't take any of this as medical advice. We're all wonderfully unique, so if you have medical concerns, it's a great idea to chat with your healthcare professional. While our content is informative, your trusted healthcare practitioner is the best source for tailored guidance. This episode was recorded on the 2nd of July, 2024.

    42 min
  6. 09/29/2025

    How's that Working for You? - Episode 2 "How does therapy really work?"

    In this episode of How's That Working For You, our host Dr Zoe chats with Adjunct Professor George Habib about how therapists navigate their relationships with their clients. Today we try to answer the important questions:  How does psychotherapy really work?  What does a good therapeutic relationship look like?   How do we deal with relationship difficulties in therapy?  Don't miss this enlightening episode that unveils what is truly important in therapy (spoiler alert: it's not technique).  About our guest:  Adjunct Professor George Habib:  George is Adjunct Professor and a Council member at the Cairnmillar Institute and the Director – Wellbeing Services at the University of Melbourne. He has over 25 years of experience in private practice as a Clinical Psychologist and Psychotherapist.   During his time at Monash Health, George, together with senior colleagues, developed and implemented a range of clinical programs in public health including the Agile Psychological Medicine Clinics.  George has also led psychology governance programs including managing Clinical Education and Post graduate Student and Psychology Registrar programs in public health and continues to work on improving client outcomes in health and welfare settings.   http://www.linkedin.com/in/george-habib-8443423a  The therapist effect  https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2021-81510-009  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005796725000117#:~:text=Today%2C%20it%20is%20common%20knowledge,Wampold%20%26%20Owen%2C%202021).  Characteristics of Effective Therapists: Further Analyses of Data From the National Institute of Mental Health Treatment of Depression Collaborative Research Program, Blatt, Sidney J ; Sanislow III, Charles A ; Zuroff, David C ; Pilkonis, Paul A., Journal of consulting and clinical psychology, 1996-12, Vol.64 (6), p.1276-1284    The importance of professional self-doubt:  https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10503307.2025.2506650?src=#abstract  The Cairnmillar Institute  Discover how our commitment to Better Mental Health can empower you on your personal journey. For more information about our organisation, the services we offer, and how to donate, visit our website at www.cairnmillar.org.au.  Coming up next  Stay tuned for more inspiring episodes as we explore diverse aspects of well-being, mental health, and the incredible world of therapy. Thank you for joining us on the "How's That Working For You" podcast.  Take care out there  Disclaimer: This podcast is a space for open conversations, but it's important to remember that what you're hearing are the personal experiences and thoughts of our host and guests. While we're here to share insights, please don't take any of this as medical advice. We're all wonderfully unique, so if you have medical concerns, it's a great idea to chat with your healthcare professional. While our content is informative, your trusted healthcare practitioner is the best source for tailored guidance. This episode was recorded on the 7th of June, 2024.

    36 min

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A Podcast for the Therapy Curious – for anyone working in the mental health field who wonders if they’re doing a good job, if they know what they need to know or who sometimes ask an uncaring universe - Why didn’t they teach us about this stuff?! This is the place to satisfy your desire to find out more about what makes therapy – and therapists – tick. Produced by Dr Christine Brown and brought to you by CMI.

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