Healing People, Not Patients

Dr. Jonathan Weinkle, Doctor Podcast Network

Welcome to Healing People, Not Patients, hosted by Dr. Jonathan Weinkle, MD, FAAP, FACP. A primary care physician and teacher deeply grounded in Jewish wisdom, Dr. Weinkle invites listeners to explore medicine not as a business transaction but as a sacred calling. This show shines a light on the fractured healthcare system and offers stories, reflections, and conversations that reconnect doctors with the heart of healing—body, mind, and spirit. Through solo episodes, expert interviews, and even original music, you’ll gain inspiration and practical guidance to navigate burnout, rediscover joy, and reclaim purpose in medicine. Whether you’re a physician, healthcare professional, chaplain, or simply someone who longs for a more compassionate and humane approach to care, this podcast will help you find meaning in the practice of healing.

Episodes

  1. Making a Living is Killing Us | Ep9

    FEB 17

    Making a Living is Killing Us | Ep9

    What happens when work breaks the body and spirit? In Episode 9 of Healing People, Not Patients, Jonathan Clemens, a PA specializing in occupational medicine, shares insights from his work with long-term injured workers. With over 20 years of experience transitioning from IT to medicine, he discusses the challenges of balancing patient care with insurance, employers, and ethical dilemmas like malingering. Drawing from biblical texts and personal stories, they examine the loss of income, social connections, and self-worth due to injuries, the moral injuries faced by healers, and strategies for recovery and reintegration. Clemens emphasizes the role of faith in sustaining purpose and treating patients with dignity. Top 3 Takeaways: Barriers in Occupational Medicine: Clinicians must navigate multiple stakeholders, patients, insurers, employers, while detecting fraud without punitive care, treating all with respect despite a 5% malingering rate.Impact of Injuries on Identity: Workers lose income (replaced at only 60%), social ties, and self-actualization; disability fixation can lead to despair, especially for immigrants or older workers, but retraining and community support offer paths to recovery.Dangers to Healers: Healthcare professionals face physical and moral injuries from violence, burnout, and systemic pressures; faith and patient-centered approaches, like allocating time for stories, help mitigate these risks and restore purpose.About the Guest: Jonathan Clemens is a Physician Assistant specializing in occupational medicine in Olympia, Washington, with a background in family medicine, sleep medicine, pain medicine, and eating disorders. He holds a PA degree from Pacific University and a Doctor of Medical Sciences from A.T. Still University in Arizona. After a successful career in IT security, he transitioned to medicine at age 40, focusing on long-term injured workers in Washington's industrial insurance program. He met host Dr. Weinkle at the Conference on Medicine and Religion and shares a passion for integrating faith, ethics, and patient care. About the Show:Healing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship. "Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul." About the Host:Dr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle     The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    53 min
  2. FEB 3

    From Illness to Exodus - Stories from our Journeys | Ep8

    How can ancient storytelling techniques illuminate modern illness experiences? In Episode 8 of Healing People, Not Patients, Aviva Rosenberg, CEO of the Gaucher Community Alliance, and Caryn, an occupational therapist living with Gaucher, share powerful narratives inspired by the Exodus story. Using the "First Fruits Declaration" as a framework, a four-line summary of enslavement to freedom. They unpack personal journeys with Gaucher disease, from childhood pain and experimental treatments to adult transitions, emotional isolation, and advocacy. Caryn recounts her pioneering role in early drug trials, while Aviva emphasizes the need for stories to bridge gaps in medical understanding, address inequities in newborn screening, and empower patients, especially in neuropathic types where treatments are limited. The discussion highlights common challenges like dismissed pain, clinician humility, and the push for policy changes, offering lessons for all chronic illnesses on listening deeply and fostering equitable care. Top 3 Takeaways: Storytelling as Advocacy: Using concise narratives like the Exodus summary helps patients articulate complex experiences, making unmet needs (e.g., pain, fatigue) visible to clinicians and policymakers who might otherwise rely on normal lab results.Transitions in Chronic Illness: Gaucher patients often face physical, logistical, and emotional shifts, from childhood dependence to adult independence, requiring proactive management of care, insurance, and mental health to combat loneliness and burnout.Pushing for Equity and Recognition: Newborn screening for Gaucher varies by state, leading to inequities; advocacy through stories and community support is crucial to expand access, fund research, and ensure all patients, including those in rural areas, connect with expert providers.About the Guest: Aviva Rosenberg: Aviva Rosenberg, JD, is CEO and co-founder of the Gaucher Community Alliance (GCA), a patient-led advocacy group for Gaucher disease. As a Type 1 patient and healthcare attorney with 25+ years' experience, she focuses on education, storytelling, policy advocacy like newborn screening, and addressing unmet needs like pain and fatigue in both Type 1 and neuropathic communities. Connect with Aviva: Website: www.gauchercommunity.org Facebook:  https://www.facebook.com/GaucherCommunity/ Instagram: @gauchercommunityalliance Caryn: Caryn, an occupational therapist from DC with Type 1 Gaucher, was among the first pediatric participants in 1988 NIH enzyme replacement trials at age 8, averting life-threatening crises. Now in her 40s with five children, she manages chronic pain, fatigue, and emotional transitions, drawing on Jewish faith and resilience to share her Exodus-like journey of independence. About the Show:Healing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship. "Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul." About the Host:Dr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle       The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    40 min
  3. Healing and Humanity: Ideas for the Next Generation of Medicine | Ep7

    JAN 20

    Healing and Humanity: Ideas for the Next Generation of Medicine | Ep7

    How can healthcare become more human, more responsive, and more compassionate? In Episode 7 of Healing People, Not Patients, Dr. Jonathan Weinkle speaks with six University of Pittsburgh students about creative, patient-centered projects they developed to address real gaps in medical care. Sophia Smallwood and Thai-Hy Lam, propose an AI-driven support platform to help patients with iron deficiency anemia feel heard and connected, especially when their symptoms are dismissed. Ryan Ross and Trevor Staab introduce the idea of “narrative pain consults,” giving young patients uninterrupted time to tell their stories. Finally, Shruti Chandrashekar and Guillermo Cruz explore how using pediatric simulated patients in medical training can improve communication with children and teens. Across all three conversations, a powerful theme emerges: technology and training matter, but listening matters more. Top 3 Takeaways Lived Experience Must Be Valued: Patients, especially women and young people, are often dismissed when lab numbers don’t fully explain their symptoms. Listening to lived experience can reveal critical information that tests alone miss.Storytelling Improves Care: Giving patients even a few uninterrupted minutes to share their story can strengthen trust, reduce frustration, and improve clinical outcomes. Narrative pain consults offer a practical way to do this.Kids Deserve a Voice Too: Children and adolescents communicate differently than adults. Training medical students with pediatric simulated patients helps future clinicians develop empathy, age-appropriate language, and better listening skills.About the Guests: Sophia Smallwood: A sophomore neuroscience major at the University of Pittsburgh with minors in chemistry and religious studies. Sophia is passionate about patient advocacy and drew on her mother’s experience with iron deficiency anemia to help design an AI-based patient support model. Thai-Hy Lam: A sophomore at the University of Pittsburgh on a pre-PA track, majoring in natural sciences. Tahi is involved in the Vietnamese Student Association and pre-PA club and is interested in how technology can strengthen patient advocacy. Ryan Ross: A senior neuroscience major at Pitt planning to apply to medical school. Ryan helped design the concept of narrative pain consults after interviewing a friend whose chronic pain was repeatedly dismissed. Trevor Staab: Also a senior neuroscience major at Pitt and aspiring physician. Trevor co-developed the narrative pain consult model to bridge gaps between patient experience and clinical decision-making. Shruti Chandrashekar: A freshman molecular biology major on the pre-med track. Shruti co-authored a project exploring how pediatric simulated patients can improve medical education and help children feel more respected and heard. Guillermo Cruz: A public health major on the pre-med track from Allentown, PA. Guillermo helped develop a practical budget and implementation plan for integrating pediatric simulated patients into medical training programs. About the ShowHealing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship. "Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul." About the HostDr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle   The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    1h 7m
  4. “And You Shall Live By Them” - Patient-Centered Religion | Ep6

    JAN 6

    “And You Shall Live By Them” - Patient-Centered Religion | Ep6

    How can religious obligations adapt to illness without compromising faith or well-being? In Episode 6 of Healing People, Not Patients, Rabbanit Miriam Fenster, a Halacha advisor, discusses navigating Jewish observance amid mental and physical health challenges. Drawing from her work with the Maaglei Nefesh program and decades of advising, she addresses conflicts like fasting during Yom Kippur for those with diabetes or eating disorders, Shabbat observance in mental health crises, and tailoring guidance to personal stories. Miriam emphasizes empathy, flexibility within Halacha's "four walls," and empowering individuals to find their path, offering insights for religious practitioners and healthcare providers alike. Top 3 Takeaways:  Flexibility in Halacha: Jewish law provides a structured framework but allows vast adaptability for individual health needs, viewing deviations not as "cheating" but as valid alternative paths.Person-Centered Guidance: Effective advice requires listening to the "question behind the question," understanding personal context, and sometimes consulting experts or deferring to the individual's self-knowledge.Lessons for Medicine: Healthcare professionals can learn from Halacha's nuanced approach—balancing evidence-based guidelines with empathy, avoiding premature closure, and recognizing social or emotional factors influencing patient needs.About the Guest: Rabbanit Miriam Fenster is a Halachic advisor and long-time student and teacher at Matan  HaSharon in Ra'anana, Israel, specializing in advanced Halacha for women. She advises individuals aged 15 to 85 on family life, life cycles, Shabbat, and Kosher laws. Through the Maaglei Nefesh program, she supports those with mental illnesses in aligning Jewish observance with their health needs, drawing from personal experiences and a compassionate, individualized approach. 🔗 Connect with Rabbanit Miriam Fenster: https://mnefesh.org/ Maaglei Nefesh https://www.matan.org.il/en/ Matan About the Show:Healing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship. "Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul." About the Host:Dr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle   The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    1h 2m
  5. Because You Were Strangers: Caring for the Refugee Population | Ep5

    11/18/2025

    Because You Were Strangers: Caring for the Refugee Population | Ep5

    How do we welcome the stranger in today’s clinics? In Episode 5 of Healing People, Not Patients, Dr. Naghmeh Rowhani, and Ashok Gurung, join Dr. Jonathan Weinkle to discuss refugee and immigrant health. Dr. Rowhani, building a new pediatric immigrant clinic in San Diego, shares barriers like language gaps and fear of ICE. Ashok, a Bhutanese refugee now in medical school, recounts surviving refugee camps, community suicides, and translating mental health concepts across cultures. Together they explore cultural humility, somatic symptoms of trauma, and community resilience amid political turmoil—urging clinicians to advocate beyond medicine and foster trust through genuine care. Top 3 Takeaways: Cultural Humility Over Competency: No clinician can master every culture; success lies in humility, curiosity, and building trust over time—especially when language or worldview gaps persist.Trauma Hides in the Body: Refugees often present with unexplained pain (headaches, abdominal pain) rooted in stress and displacement; ruling out physical causes while gently addressing psychological roots requires patience and cultural sensitivity.Community as Medicine: Tight-knit immigrant networks provide food, support, and hope during crises (e.g., food stamp cuts); clinicians succeed by connecting patients to these lifelines and advocating for housing, education, and safety.About the Guests: Dr. Naghmeh Rowhani, is an academic faculty in Pediatrics at UC San Diego, developing an immigrant/refugee health clinic with a federally qualified health center. With an MPH from Harvard focused on child protection, she previously worked with global orphans and near-border Mexican communities. LinkedIn : linkedin.com/in/naghmeh-rowhani-md-mph Ashok Gurung, a Bhutanese refugee orphaned young, survived refugee camps and now pursues his MD at AdventHealth/University of Chicago. A community leader addressing Bhutanese mental health crises and suicides, he bridges cultural concepts of trauma for better care. About the ShowHealing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship. "Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul." About the HostDr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    48 min
  6. “And You Shall Tell Your Child on That Day” - Putting the Soul Back Into Medical Education | Ep4

    11/11/2025

    “And You Shall Tell Your Child on That Day” - Putting the Soul Back Into Medical Education | Ep4

    What happened to the soul of medical education, and can we reclaim it? In Episode 4 of Healing People, Not Patients, Dr. Jeremy Golding, a family medicine professor at UMass Chan Medical School, reflects on the shift from hierarchical, patient-centered training to today's high-pressure environment. Drawing from his career and the Five Minute Clinical Consult, he shares insights on fostering humanism, gratitude, and balance in education. Dr. Golding offers practical advice for educators to model joy, set boundaries, and prioritize relationships, inspiring trainees to see medicine as a privilege. Top 3 Takeaways: Evolution of Medical Education: Traditional training emphasized hierarchy and patient-first altruism but often led to burnout; modern approaches like simulation and work-hour limits aim to foster humanism and balance.Finding Joy in Medicine: Cultivate gratitude for patient interactions, set boundaries, and pursue non-clinical activities to sustain a fulfilling career and model this for trainees.Gratitude and Closure: End visits with thanks and clear guidance, viewing patient care as a privilege to build meaningful connections and prevent burnout.About the Guest: Dr. Jeremy Golding is a professor of family medicine at UMass Chan Medical School and practices at Clark University’s student health center in Worcester, Massachusetts. A dedicated medical educator, he has shaped generations of physicians through his teaching and as an associate editor of the Five Minute Clinical Consult (5MCC). Trained at Case Western Reserve University, Dr. Golding emphasizes humanism, gratitude, and work-life balance in medicine, drawing from his experiences in obstetrics, pediatrics, and primary care to inspire joy and purpose in clinical practice. 🔗 Connect with Dr. Jeremy Golding: 🌐 UMass Chan Medical School 📘 Five Minute Clinical Consult  About the ShowHealing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship. "Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul." About the HostDr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    39 min
  7. It Builds Character - Mussar and Medicine | Ep3

    11/04/2025

    It Builds Character - Mussar and Medicine | Ep3

    Can spirituality bring the soul back to mental healthcare? In Episode 3 of Healing People, Not Patients, Shelley Karrel, discusses integrating spirituality into mental health practice. Drawing from her doctoral research and 20 years of Mussar practice, she explores barriers clinicians face—lack of training, fear of boundaries, and ethical concerns—and how Mussar’s focus on character traits like humility and patience can create meaningful patient connections. Shelley offers practical ways to see patients as “holy souls,” fostering healing through curiosity and compassion. Top 3 Takeaways: Barriers to Spirituality: Clinicians often lack training and personal spiritual awareness, fearing ethical or competency issues when addressing patients’ spiritual needs.Mussar in Practice: The Jewish practice of Mussar helps clinicians balance traits like humility and patience, transforming interactions by fostering curiosity over judgment.Healing Through Connection: Seeing patients as “holy souls” encourages clinicians to build authentic relationships, prioritizing patients’ values and meaning over technical fixes.About the Guest: Shelley Karrel is a registered clinical counselor in Vancouver, BC, with a Master’s in Counseling from City University of Seattle and a PhD candidate at Yorkville University, researching barriers to integrating spirituality in psychotherapy. With 30 years of counseling experience and 20 years practicing Mussar, she helps clients balance character traits to align with their soul’s purpose. 🔗 Connect with Shelley Karrel: 🌐 Website: Karrelcounselling.com 📘 Blog: “Your Spiritual Curriculum is Calling” on Karrelcounselling.com 📚 Recommended Reading: Everyday Holiness and With Heart in Mind by Alan Morinis About the ShowHealing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship. "Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul." About the HostDr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    32 min
  8. Drowning our Sorrows: The Torah of Treating Substance Use Disorders | Ep2

    10/28/2025

    Drowning our Sorrows: The Torah of Treating Substance Use Disorders | Ep2

    How can healthcare providers become allies in addiction recovery? In this episode of Healing People, Not Patients, Rabbi Joshua Corber, explores addiction as a response to life’s unmanageable stresses, not just substance misuse. Drawing from his recovery journey and the 12-step program, he highlights the transformative role of a sponsor and the importance of addressing psychoemotional pain. Rabbi Corber offers healthcare providers practical ways to shift from focusing on stopping substance use to fostering a desire for a meaningful, sober life, inspired by Jewish teachings and community support. Top 3 Takeaways: Addiction as a Symptom: Addiction often stems from an unmanageable life, not just substance misuse. Rabbi Corber emphasizes that the 12 steps address life’s broader challenges, helping patients find purpose beyond sobriety.The Power of a Sponsor: A sponsor, having walked the recovery path, offers unique support that therapy alone may not provide, guiding patients through life’s stresses with shared experience.Reframing the Conversation: Healthcare providers can move beyond prescribing sobriety to cultivating a desire for a manageable, fulfilling life, reducing stigma and supporting lasting recovery.About the Guest: Rabbi Joshua Corber, a graduate of the Ziegler School of Rabbinical Studies, is the director of Jewish Addiction Community Services at Jewish Family Services in Vancouver, BC. A former congregational rabbi, he now supports individuals with substance use disorders, drawing on his recovery experience and the 12-step program to guide others toward a manageable, fulfilling life. 🔗 Connect with Rabbi Joshua Corber: 🌐 Website: jacsvancouver.com📸 Instagram: @alcoholic_rabbiAbout the ShowHealing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship. "Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul." About the HostDr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    41 min
  9. High Priests of Medicine - Has Healthcare Become Its Own Religion?  | Ep1

    10/21/2025

    High Priests of Medicine - Has Healthcare Become Its Own Religion? | Ep1

    What if medicine has become a religion, and what does that mean for physicians and patients? In the premiere episode of Healing People, Not Patients, Dr. Elisha Waldman, joins Dr. Jonathan Weinkle to discuss how medicine mirrors religious systems with its temples, hierarchies, and rituals. Drawing from his book This Narrow Space and his diverse experiences in the US, Israel, and the UK, Dr. Waldman unpacks the values and pitfalls of this structure. He shares how rituals like handwashing or structured diagnoses can ground providers but also risk disconnecting them from patients’ deeper hopes, fears, and values. Through stories of his palliative care work, he offers a path to expand the “narrow space” of illness, fostering connection and meaning. This episode is a must-listen for physicians seeking to bring soul back into their practice. Top 3 Takeaways:Medicine as a Religious System: Dr. Waldman compares medicine’s hierarchies, sacred spaces, and rituals—like handwashing or differential diagnoses—to religious practices, offering security but sometimes limiting deeper patient connection.Expanding the Narrow Space: In palliative care, Dr. Waldman focuses on patients’ hopes, fears, and values, creating space for meaningful conversations that guide care, rather than rushing to fix or flee from discomfort.Spirituality in Healthcare: Through the Interprofessional Spiritual Care Education Curriculum, clinicians learn to engage with patients’ spiritual needs, moving beyond demographics to foster wholehearted practice.About the GuestDr. Elisha Waldman is a pediatric palliative care doctor and oncologist at Great Ormond Street Hospital, London. With a BA in religious studies, he sees medicine as a religion with rituals and hierarchies. Author of This Narrow Space (2019), he draws from experiences in the US, Israel, and UK to explore healthcare’s human side. As faculty for the George Washington Institute’s Interprofessional Spiritual Care Education Curriculum, he trains clinicians to engage patients’ hopes, fears, and values, fostering meaningful care. Connect with Dr. Elisha Waldman: Email:   elisha.waldman@hotmail.com elishawaldman@gmail.com About the ShowHealing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship. Our theme song, "Room for the Soul," is available on Bandcamp at https://jonathanweinkle.bandcamp.com/track/room-for-the-soul. About the HostDr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    57 min
  10. Why Medicine Needs Its Soul Back | Ep0

    09/30/2025

    Why Medicine Needs Its Soul Back | Ep0

    Medicine was never supposed to be just about diagnoses, lab values, or billing codes. For Dr. Jonathan Weinkle, it began with a deep belief: every human being is created in the image of God. In this opening teaser, Dr. Weinkle shares his story—from the joy of healing relationships to the heartbreak of burnout—and why he created Healing People, Not Patients. He explains how the show will use the framework of the Passover Seder’s four questions to explore today’s most vexing problems in healthcare. With episodes dropping weekly, the show invites listeners to rethink medicine not as a system of transactions, but as a sacred calling to restore soul, purpose, and humanity. This teaser sets the stage: a journey from burnout to being on fire, from depersonalization to healing.   Top 3 TakeawaysMedicine’s Soul is at Stake: Healthcare often treats both patients and professionals as commodities—leaving many burned out or disconnected.The Four Questions Framework: Each episode will echo the Passover Seder, asking: What makes this moment different? How can medicine be transformed?A Call to Change the Ending: Instead of watching colleagues leave medicine or lose their spark, we can create a new narrative—one where healing extends to patients and providers.  About the ShowHealing People, Not Patients explores ways to enhance medical practice by infusing it with compassion, humanity, and a deeper sense of purpose, aiming to help healthcare professionals rediscover the "soul" of their work. Framed around the four questions of the Passover Seder, it probes how to transform medicine for the better, promoting an empathetic and supportive approach that empowers patients to create meaningful, sober lives, while drawing on Jewish teachings about community and friendship.   About the HostDr. Jonathan Weinkle is an internist and pediatrician who practices primary care at a community health center in Pittsburgh. He strives to be a "nice Jewish doctor" focused on  patient-centered healthcare, emphasizing effective communication and holistic well-being. He teaches the courses, “Death and the Healthcare Professions” and “Healing and Humanity” at the University of Pittsburgh, authored the books Healing People, Not Patients and Illness to Exodus, and runs ‘Healers Who Listen’, where he blogs on healing and Jewish tradition. Once an aspiring rabbi, he now integrates faith and medicine to support other physicians and his own patients. 🌐 Website: healerswholisten.com 🔗 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jonathan-weinkle-3440032a 📸 Instagram: @HealersWhoListen 📘 Facebook: @JonathanWeinkle The Healing People, Not Patients Podcast is for informational and educational purposes only and does not constitute medical, legal, or professional advice. Always consult qualified professionals regarding your personal or organizational decisions.

    5 min

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Welcome to Healing People, Not Patients, hosted by Dr. Jonathan Weinkle, MD, FAAP, FACP. A primary care physician and teacher deeply grounded in Jewish wisdom, Dr. Weinkle invites listeners to explore medicine not as a business transaction but as a sacred calling. This show shines a light on the fractured healthcare system and offers stories, reflections, and conversations that reconnect doctors with the heart of healing—body, mind, and spirit. Through solo episodes, expert interviews, and even original music, you’ll gain inspiration and practical guidance to navigate burnout, rediscover joy, and reclaim purpose in medicine. Whether you’re a physician, healthcare professional, chaplain, or simply someone who longs for a more compassionate and humane approach to care, this podcast will help you find meaning in the practice of healing.

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