Critical Careers

Kao Data

Real stories. Diverse journeys. Women leading what’s next. Critical Careers is a podcast from Kao Data, celebrating the women building, leading, and designing digital infrastructure. Through honest conversations with women at every stage of their careers, we uncover what it takes to thrive in one of the world’s most vital and fast-changing industries. Whether you’re already in the industry, looking to make a change or considering your first career move, these stories are for you.

  1. 3d ago

    The Value Gap

    In this episode of the Critical Careers podcast, Lizzy McDowell is joined by Andy Davis from DataX Connect and Sarah Davenport from Capstone Recruitment for a conversation about the value gap, and why salary is only one part of how people understand their worth at work.  Drawing on insights from the DataX Connect salary survey and their experience recruiting across the data centre industry, Andy and Sarah explore how pay, progression, recognition and opportunity shape career confidence. They discuss why women can be negatively impacted by salary discrepancies and career breaks, particularly when progression stalls after parental leave or when people remain in roles longer without regular pay reviews.  Together, the conversation explores pay transparency, sponsorship, mentorship, self-advocacy, progression, retention, representation, and the need to widen the talent pool beyond the data centre industry. At its heart, this episode is about understanding value more broadly: not just what someone is paid, but whether they are seen, supported, recognised and given the opportunity to grow.  “I think worth, knowing your worth and salary aren’t always aligned.” - Sarah Davenport  “You have to be the CEO of your own career. You have to make your ambition known.” - Sarah Davenport  “How can we give people the platform so they can be the role models for the next generation?” - Andy Davis   ----- Key Takeaways  - The value gap is about more than salary. It also includes recognition, confidence, progression, opportunity and whether people feel genuinely valued at work.  - Salary discrepancies can widen at senior levels, particularly when people are promoted internally without regular pay reviews or external benchmarking.  - Career breaks, maternity leave and part-time working can affect progression and earning potential, but deeper issues around representation and promotion also play a role.  - Women may stay in roles longer and value stability, project complexity and strategic exposure, which can make regular salary reviews and progression conversations even more important.  - Employers need to understand what “feeling valued” means for underrepresented groups, rather than assuming salary is the only marker.  - Mentorship, sponsorship and external perspective can help women understand their value, build confidence and position themselves for the next stage of their careers.  - Self-advocacy matters. People should document their impact, make their ambitions known and be clear about the extra work they are doing beyond their formal role.  - Progression does not always mean promotion. It can also mean broader experience, lateral moves, new challenges or exposure to different parts of the business.  - Representation needs to move beyond the same voices appearing at the same events. More women need platforms to share their expertise, not only to speak about being women in the industry.  - Employers and employees share responsibility for career development: organisations must create supportive environments, but individuals also need to make themselves known.  - Bringing talent in from outside the data centre sector remains essential, particularly from related industries such as construction, telecoms, logistics, power and other asset classes.  - Demystifying the industry is critical. Data centres need engineers, but they also need people in finance, marketing, project management, commercial, recruitment and many other roles.   ----- To learn more about Critical Careers, or to get involved with the Critical Careers community, head to the Critical Careers website or search “Critical Careers”.  Thank you to our founding partner, Kao Data, and our season sponsors: CBRE, AVK, JLL, Eversheds Sutherland, and Mace Construct.

  2. Oct 8

    Resiliency When Things Don’t Go to Plan

    In this episode of the Critical Careers podcast, Lizzy McDowell, Marketing Director at Kao Data and co-founder of Critical Careers, is joined by Hadas Lorber from Nebius, and Social Impact Consultant and Professional Speaker, Michillay Brown, for a conversation about resilience, reinvention, and building a career that does not always follow a straight line.  Hadas shares how her career moved from national security and government affairs into digital infrastructure, and why that transition made sense when she began to see technology as a central part of national security. After more than 25 years in government, including work on strategic technology dialogues, AI, quantum and international cooperation, she reflects on how curiosity, adaptability and a strong sense of direction helped her begin again in a fast-changing industry.  Michillay reflects on a career shaped by early responsibility, personal loss and determination. After losing her father at a young age and watching her mother support the family as a nurse, she began working early, taking on roles in hospitality, retail and voluntary organisations before building a career across sustainability, social impact, mining, energy, tech and digital infrastructure. She explains how those experiences shaped her resilience long before she held a formal leadership title.  Together, the conversation explores how resilience is built through life experience, not just career milestones. Hadas and Michillay discuss grief, motherhood, sacrifice, starting over, transferable skills, mentorship, human-centred leadership and the importance of building a compass rather than following a fixed map.  At its heart, this episode is a reminder that careers are rarely linear. Sometimes the moments that feel like setbacks, pivots or starting again are the experiences that build the strongest foundations for leadership.  “For me, resilience is really maintaining your sense of direction when circumstances change.” - Hadas Lorber  “I think resilience is built in those different chapters from when you’re younger throughout. It builds up to the leadership title that follows afterwards.” - Michillay Brown   ----- Key Takeaways  - Resilience is built through life experience, not only through formal leadership roles or career milestones.  - Hadas Lorber’s move from national security into digital infrastructure shows how careers can evolve when skills, values and global challenges intersect.  - Michillay Brown’s journey highlights how early responsibility, personal loss and hard work can shape long-term resilience and leadership.  - Voluntary work, unpaid opportunities and early career sacrifices can build valuable experience, credibility, networks and future opportunities.  - Starting again can feel like a step backwards, but it can also be a sign of growth, curiosity and expanding capability.  - Human-centred leadership means asking for help, protecting capacity, leading with empathy and recognising the human cost of work.  - In a fast-changing world shaped by AI, curiosity, critical thinking and the willingness to keep learning are essential leadership skills.  - Careers need a compass more than a map: know your values, interests and direction, but leave room for unexpected opportunities.   ----- To learn more about Critical Careers, or to get involved with the Critical Careers community, head to the Critical Careers website or search “Critical Careers”.  Thank you to our founding partner, Kao Data, and our season sponsors: CBRE, AVK, JLL, Eversheds Sutherland, and Mace Construct.

    Resiliency When Things Don’t Go to Plan
  3. Oct 1

    Creating Space For Every Voice

    In this episode of the Critical Careers podcast, Joyce Wady is joined by Adam Nethersole from Kao Data, Justin Hewitt-Coleman from CBRE and Lawrence Olney from Mace for a conversation about allyship, leadership and why men have an important role to play in supporting greater diversity across the data centre industry. Together, the conversation explores why Critical Careers matters, why male allies need to be active participants in the conversation, and how the industry can create a more inclusive future by recognising talent, broadening perspectives and building stronger relationships. “I often am the person that waves the wand. But the real magic happens with other people.” - Adam “If everyone’s travelled the same path, they’ll identify the same blind spots.” - Justin “It’s not diversity for the sake of diversity. It’s diversity of thought. It’s diversity of perspective.” - Lawrence -----Key Takeaways - Critical Careers was created to showcase the breadth of women’s talent across the data centre industry, from apprentices to CEOs. - Adam reflects on how many of the most important role models and mentors in his life have been women, shaping his view of leadership and opportunity. - Women in the industry are often recognised through narrow rankings or senior lists, which can miss younger talent, emerging leaders and those working across different functions. - Critical Careers aims to give a more rounded picture of where women fit into digital infrastructure and how many different career paths exist. - Male allies have an important role to play because some audiences may listen differently when men actively support and amplify the conversation. - Justin highlights that data centre operations depend on safe environments where people feel confident to speak up, challenge assumptions and raise concerns. - Leaders need to do more than say their door is open. They need to actively invite different voices into the room and act when concerns are raised. - Inclusion and operational resilience are closely connected because diverse thinking helps teams identify risks, blind spots and better solutions. - Allyship is not just a label. It requires action, empathy, support and a willingness to meet people where they are. - Lawrence reflects on how leadership changes as you move from focusing on your own role to bringing others with you on a shared journey. - Accountability, responsibility and communication are key leadership qualities for the future of the industry. - Understanding people’s individual motivations, needs and circumstances helps leaders get the best from their teams. - Diverse teams are not about optics. They help solve complex problems by bringing different perspectives, experiences and personality types into decision-making. - The industry’s future depends on attracting, retaining and developing young talent while continuing to make progress on gender balance and inclusion. To learn more about Critical Careers, or to get involved with the Critical Careers community, head to the Critical Careers website or search “Critical Careers”. Thank you to our founding partner, Kao Data, and our season sponsors: CBRE, AVK, JLL, Eversheds Sutherland and Mace Construct.

    Creating Space For Every Voice
  4. Sep 24

    Permission To Be Yourself

    In this episode of the Critical Careers podcast, Joyce Wady is joined by Natascha Geraedts from Eversheds Sutherland, Louise Sharp from Mace Construct, and Mariah Naeem from Paroc Panels.com for a conversation about what it means to stop trying to fit into someone else’s definition of success and start building a career that genuinely aligns with who you are. Across the discussion, each guest shares a different perspective on career paths, confidence, authenticity and finding the right environment to thrive. Together, the conversation explores resilience, transferable skills, moral compass, intuition, visibility, values-led leadership and the importance of being in an industry where people feel able to be themselves. “What it has taught me is being resilient and adapt to different situations.” — Natascha Geraedts “I never wanted to be in the room because of my gender or because I’m a woman. I wanted to be there because I was good at my job.” — Louise Sharp “You can find your niche and career at any point in your life.” — Mariah Naeem ----- Key Takeaways - Many women in data centres have reached a point where they stop following someone else’s definition of success and begin building careers around their own strengths, values and interests. - Natascha Geraedts’ career path has not been conventional, but her time abroad helped shape her resilience, adaptability and confidence to build something new. - Returning to the Netherlands gave Natascha the opportunity to reset her career, establish her own law firm and create a path that better aligned with who she had become. - Louise Sharp’s family structure reflects the same philosophy she brings to work: recognising strengths over stereotypes. - The data centre industry gave Louise an environment where she felt professionally settled and able to apply her technical, commercial and leadership strengths. - Mariah Naeem’s move from interior design and architecture into construction and data centres shows how unexpected career turns can lead to meaningful opportunities. - Being encouraged by others to recognise skills she had not seen in herself helped Mariah move into business development and discover a new career direction. - Understanding personal drivers can make career decisions clearer and help people find roles that genuinely energise them. - Values-led leadership is not about saying everything unfiltered; it is about being thoughtful, fair, honest and aware of the impact you have on others. - Trust is built through consistency, transparency and openness, especially when difficult messages need to be delivered. - The data centre industry’s pace, pressure and sense of community can create a space where people feel able to be authentic. - Career paths do not have to be linear. Different experiences, pivots and decisions can all build transferable skills that help people find their niche. - Visibility and community play an important role in helping people feel a sense of belonging, especially when they are new to the industry. - The conversation is a reminder that being yourself at work is not separate from professional success — it can be the foundation of it. To learn more about Critical Careers, or to get involved with the Critical Careers community, head to the Critical Careers website or search “Critical Careers”. Thank you to our founding partner, Kao Data, and our season sponsors: CBRE, AVK, JLL, Eversheds Sutherland and Mace Construct.

    Permission To Be Yourself
  5. Sep 17

    Creating Communities. Building Careers. Shaping the Future.

    In this episode of the Critical Careers podcast, recorded live in London as part of a collaboration with the Women’s Tech Forum (WTF), Joyce Wady is joined by Jess Simmonds from Google, Ilona Koprowska from Meta, and Simisola Bryan from Megaport for a conversation about creating communities, building meaningful networks, and finding belonging in digital infrastructure. The conversation explores why building a career is not a solo activity. It is shaped by the people around you, the networks you build, the communities you join, and the spaces where you feel able to be yourself. Ilona reflects on her early experience of entering an industry where there were very few women, and how the emergence of women-led communities helped her feel more comfortable and confident. Jess discusses the importance of creating safe spaces where women can connect without pressure, sales agendas, or the need to perform. Simisola shares her perspective on authenticity, success, and the importance of redefining what career achievement looks like. Together, the discussion explores community, informal mentorship, allyship, visibility, personal definitions of success, and the role women’s networks can play in helping the digital infrastructure industry become more diverse, inclusive, and supportive as it continues to grow. “My goal here is to make sure that no one feels how I felt when I started.” - Ilona Koprowska “People can just be authentic and be themselves and create meaningful connections with other women.” - Jess Simmonds “Success is not about a job title. It’s about whatever is important to you, what inspires you, and what makes you happy.” - Simisola Bryan ----- Key Takeaways - Building a career is not a solo activity. Networks, communities, and relationships play a major role in shaping confidence, opportunity, and belonging. - Ilona Koprowska reflects on entering an industry with very few women and how women-led communities helped change her experience of digital infrastructure. - Becoming an active participant in a community can help turn discomfort into confidence, while also creating a more welcoming space for others. - Jess Simmonds explains that WTF events are designed to be safe, authentic spaces where women can connect without pressure or sales agendas. - Community creates room for people to show up as themselves, make meaningful connections, and build support systems that last beyond a single event. - Simisola Bryan highlights that not everyone is trying to become a CEO, and that success should be defined personally rather than only by seniority or title. - Redefining success allows people to build careers that reflect their values, family lives, ambitions, and personal priorities. - Informal mentorship can be just as powerful as formal programs, because guidance often comes through conversations, shared experience, and trusted relationships. - Strong communities provide people who can challenge you, support you, and help you see strengths you may not yet recognize in yourself. - Paying it forward is an important part of community building: the support someone receives can become the guidance they offer to someone else. - Women’s networks help normalise conversations around career development, caregiving, women’s health, confidence, and the realities of working in a male-dominated industry. - Male allies also have an important role to play, particularly in an industry where many senior leadership positions are still held by men. - The guests encourage women to step outside their comfort zones, attend events, speak on panels, be present, and trust that they belong in the room. ----- To learn more about Critical Careers, or to get involved with the Critical Careers community, head to the Critical Careers website or search “Critical Careers”. Thank you to our founding partner, Kao Data, and our season sponsors: CBRE, AVK, JLL, Eversheds Sutherland and Mace Construct.

    Creating Communities. Building Careers. Shaping the Future.
  6. Jul 2

    What's Missing in the Talent Pipeline?

    In this episode of the Critical Careers podcast, Joyce Wady is joined by Claire Jones from Equinix, Kalay Moodley from Kao Data, and Theodora Savage from Virtus Data Centres for a conversation on the data centre talent pipeline, and what the industry must do to attract, develop and retain the people it will need for the future. With the sector facing rapid growth, a long-standing skills shortage and a workforce where many experienced professionals have been in the industry for decades, the discussion moves beyond the familiar headlines to explore practical solutions. Theodora challenges the industry to look internally as well as externally, focusing on how companies can develop existing talent and create clearer pathways for future leaders. Claire reflects on why talent teams need a more deliberate approach to building young talent, attracting people from adjacent industries, and raising awareness of data centres as a career option. Kalay shares how Kao Data has intentionally recruited from adjacent sectors like power, utilities and renewables to bring in the skills and perspectives the industry needs. She also highlights the importance of storytelling, showing young people that their passions, from Formula One to football, are enabled by the digital infrastructure behind the scenes. Together, the conversation explores transferable skills, early careers, apprenticeships, internal development, parent and community awareness, and why the industry needs to collaborate more closely to build a sustainable and diverse talent pipeline. “We need to actually use the opportunity that we have right now to build an internal infrastructure, to make sure that we’re retaining talent.” - Theodora Savage “I think as an industry, we have to raise awareness of data centres as a career option, rather than doing it in the silos of our own companies.” - Claire Jones “Talent does exist. It just wears a different badge or a different uniform at the moment.” - Kalay Moodley ----- Key Takeaways - The data centre industry faces a significant talent challenge, with continued growth creating pressure to attract, develop and retain skilled people. - Theodora Savage argues that the industry needs stronger development pathways for the people already in the sector. - Many entry-level roles still require several years of experience, creating a gap between the people the industry wants to attract and the roles available today. - Hiring from other data centre companies is not sustainable on its own. The sector needs people from adjacent industries with transferable skills. - Storytelling is essential to making the industry more attractive. Data centres sit behind everyday experiences such as Formula One, football tournaments, streaming and digital services, but many people do not realise that connection. - Awareness remains a major barrier. Young people, parents and career influencers often do not know what data centres are or what opportunities exist within the sector. - The industry can learn from sectors such as rail, aviation, healthcare and utilities, where structured training, apprenticeships and clear career pathways are better established. - Apprenticeships and early careers routes can provide stepping stones into the sector, allowing people to earn while they learn. - The industry needs a clearer, collective view of progression, so someone entering as a technician can understand how they might grow into future leadership roles. - Collaboration is essential, particularly around early careers, school engagement, awareness campaigns and internal development programmes. ----- To learn more about Critical Careers, or to get involved with the Critical Careers community, head to the Critical Careers website or search “Critical Careers”. Thank you to our founding partner, Kao Data, and our season sponsors: CBRE, AVK, JLL, Eversheds Sutherland, and Mace Construct.

    What's Missing in the Talent Pipeline?
  7. Jun 25

    What Do We Owe the Future Data Centre Industry?

    Recorded at Datacloud Global Congress 2026 in Cannes, Lizzy McDowell and Joyce Wady speak with representatives from Critical Careers' strategic partners about the biggest opportunities and challenges facing the data centre industry. Lizzy speaks with Charlotte Wood from Spa Communications and Andrew James from Mace Construct about why diversity, communication and collaboration are essential as the sector grows. Andrew discusses the need to bring new people into the industry at every level, while Charlotte reflects on the importance of demystifying data centres and helping a wider audience understand the variety of roles available across digital infrastructure. Lizzy is then joined by Alana Wilksch from CBRE and Sarah King from AVK to discuss visibility, talent, retention and the importance of amplifying women’s voices. They explore why the industry needs to broaden its talent pool, create more equitable cultures, and show that long-term, successful careers can be built in data centres. In the second half of the episode, Joyce speaks with Rebecca Clowes from Eversheds Sutherland and Martina Williams from JLL. Rebecca shares why visibility is so important in a sector that can feel opaque from the outside, while Martina reflects on JLL’s commitment to people, culture and women’s networks, and why the collaborative mindset of the data centre industry makes it such an exciting place to build a career. Together, the conversations highlight the shared purpose behind Critical Careers: increasing visibility, widening access, strengthening the talent pipeline, and showing that there is space for many different backgrounds, disciplines and career paths in the data centre industry. “It’s our job to let people know and kind of welcome people in.” - Charlotte Wood“Diverse teams are proven to think more laterally, come up with far better ideas.” - Andrew James“Amplifying women’s stories is so important.” - Alana Wilksch“We need to build a more equitable culture so people can stay, grow and thrive.” - Sarah King“Critical Careers makes the industry feel more visible, more tangible.” - Rebecca Clowes“The mindset of this industry is very much collaborative. We achieve more when we bring experts together.” - Martina Williams ----- Key Takeaways - Critical Careers is supported by strategic partners committed to widening access, improving visibility and strengthening the future talent pipeline. - The data centre sector is growing rapidly, creating challenges around skills, talent, diversity and long-term workforce planning. - The industry cannot simply keep moving people between companies; it needs to attract talent from adjacent sectors and bring new people in at every level. - Communication has a major role to play in making the industry feel less technical, less overwhelming and more accessible. - Data centres offer a broad range of career paths beyond engineering and construction, including marketing, HR, social media, communications, legal, facilities management and other creative or commercial roles. - Community and collaboration are central to the industry’s culture, both within organisations and across companies, partners and projects. - Training, development, progression and retention are essential to supporting growth. - Building more equitable cultures is vital if companies want to attract, retain and support more women in the industry. - Awareness remains a major issue: many people still do not understand what the data centre sector is or how many careers sit within it. - The collaborative mindset of the data centre industry is one of its strengths, creating an environment where people work together to solve problems and build resilience. ----- To learn more about Critical Careers, or to get involved with the Critical Careers community, head to the Critical Careers website or search “Critical Careers”. Thank you to our founding partner, Kao Data, and our season sponsors: CBRE, AVK, JLL, Eversheds Sutherland, and Mace Construct.

    What Do We Owe the Future Data Centre Industry?

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Real stories. Diverse journeys. Women leading what’s next. Critical Careers is a podcast from Kao Data, celebrating the women building, leading, and designing digital infrastructure. Through honest conversations with women at every stage of their careers, we uncover what it takes to thrive in one of the world’s most vital and fast-changing industries. Whether you’re already in the industry, looking to make a change or considering your first career move, these stories are for you.