The Healing Lounge with Marcia

Marcia Williams, LPC | Narcissistic Abuse Recovery Coach

Welcome to The Healing Lounge — the podcast where survivors of narcissistic abuse can finally exhale. Hosted by licensed therapist, author and survivor Marcia Williams, this show offers raw honesty, expert insights, and heartfelt stories to guide you from surviving to thriving. Whether you’re still in the relationship, freshly out, or rebuilding your life afterward, you’ll find the clarity, tools, and community you need here. Each week, Marcia blends her 22 years of clinical experience with the wisdom of her own 30-year marriage to a narcissist. Expect a mix of real talk, taboo conversations (yes, even the ones no one else will touch), practical strategies for healing, and inspiring guest interviews — from survivors, coaches, and loved ones impacted by abuse. The Healing Lounge is more than a podcast. It’s your safe space to reclaim your voice, rebuild your confidence, and protect your peace. Honest conversations. Expert insights. Survivor strength.

  1. 3D AGO

    Live in The Healing Room: The "H" Word is The Silent Killer

    Share your comments with Marcia We are taught from the time we are children that hope is a good thing. Hope is in the Bible. Hope is positive. Hope is what keeps us going. So what happens when the very thing we've been told is beautiful becomes the thing that is silently destroying us? Tonight in The Healing Room, we are talking about the "H" word. And yes, it's going to be uncomfortable. Because hope — the hope we hold onto in a narcissistic relationship — is not the hopeful, faith-filled, keep-going kind of hope we were raised to believe in. It's the kind that keeps us trapped. The kind that whispers "maybe this time" while we lose years of our lives waiting for a change that is never coming. We're diving deep tonight. We're talking about why hope is what I call the silent killer — and why someone else has even called it slow motion suicide. We're getting into the neurochemical trap that makes hope feel exactly like love, why your brain is literally wired to keep you hooked into the cycle, and how hope and denial are not two separate things — they are the same thing wearing different outfits. But don't worry. We're not just tearing something down tonight. We're also talking about what to replace it with. Because if hope isn't the answer, then what is? Tonight we're trading hope in for something far more powerful — and it starts with you. This is not about the narcissist. This is about you.  Support the show Get "GROOMED" Follow me on Instagram! Follow me on Tiktok! Subscribe to my Youtube Channel! Follow me on Linkden! Find me on Psychology Today! Learn more about our programs and services!

    24 min
  2. JAN 30

    The Five Stages of a Deteriorating Marriage & The $300 Custody Hack with Dr. Becky Whetstone

    Share your comments with Marcia What if I told you that your marriage didn't just suddenly fall apart - it died in five predictable stages, and you missed every warning sign? In this enlightening conversation, I sit down with Dr. Becky Whetstone, marriage and family therapist and author of "I Think I Want Out: What to Do When One of You Wants to End Your Marriage," to talk about what no one else will tell you about leaving a narcissist. Dr. Becky spent 20 years trying to get her book published. Why? Because literary agents kept rejecting it for being "too negative" - they wanted her to save every marriage in the end. But Dr. Becky knows the uncomfortable truth: some marriages can't and shouldn't be saved. Especially when you're married to a narcissist. She's lived it. Twice. Two narcissistic husbands, two divorces, and hard-won wisdom about what it actually takes to get out and stay out. In this episode, we dive deep into territory most therapists won't touch: The five stages every deteriorating marriage goes through and why most people suffer in silence until it's too lateHow narcissists show up in couples therapy - spoiler: they're there to change YOU, not themselvesWhy only 30% of abusers ever change even with the best treatment protocol, and why the other 70% never willThe critical difference between narcissistic tendencies and actual Narcissistic Personality DisorderIf you're asking yourself "Am I the narcissist?" - you're not. Here's why narcissists never self-reflect.The $300 custody hack that ended her million-dollar-earning ex-husband's lawsuit in 30 secondsWhy you can't reason with a narcissist and what to do insteadHow to leave covertly when you need to protect yourself financially, and why sometimes disappearing is the safest optionThis conversation will challenge everything you think you know about saving your marriage, trying one more time, and whether couples therapy with a narcissist is even safe. If you're stuck in the "I think I want out" phase, if you're exhausted from trying to make it work, if you need permission to stop reasoning with someone who will never change - this episode is for you. Dr. Becky Whetstone is the author of "I Think I Want Out: What to Do When One of You Wants to End Your Marriage" and is currently releasing her memoir "The Congressman's Wife" about her own marriage crisis. Find her at marriagecrisismanager.com. Ready to do your own recovery work? Visit ThePassageToPeace.com to learn about my P2P Essentials 7 week program, explore my coaching programs, P.E.A.C.E. Pockets Survival Sessions, and one-on-one coaching. Support the show Get "GROOMED" Follow me on Instagram! Follow me on Tiktok! Subscribe to my Youtube Channel! Follow me on Linkden! Find me on Psychology Today! Learn more about our programs and services!

    1h 7m
  3. JAN 16

    When Trauma Looks Like Mental Illness with Michelle Reittinger

    Share your comments with Marcia What if the mental health diagnosis you've been carrying isn't actually the answer you thought it was? What if the symptoms you've been told to manage for life could actually be healed at the root? In this powerful conversation, I sit down with Michelle Rittenburg, number one bestselling author of The Upside of Bipolar and founder of Upsiders Tribe, to explore the complex intersection of trauma and mental health symptoms. Michelle shares her raw journey from a narcissistic abusive first marriage that left her with unprocessed trauma she carried for 30 years. Diagnosed with bipolar disorder at 24 and told she had a permanent chemical imbalance requiring lifelong medication, Michelle spent over a decade on seven different psychiatric drugs, experienced multiple hospitalizations, and survived suicide attempts. She was told recovery wasn't possible. But Michelle refused to accept that narrative. In this episode, we dive deep into uncomfortable territory: The moment Michelle realized traditional treatment wasn't working and why the "chemical imbalance" theory she'd built her life around wasn't supported by science How unprocessed trauma from narcissistic abuse manifested as severe mood swings, depression, and what looked like mental illness Why psychiatric diagnoses describe symptoms but don't identify underlying causes, and how this keeps people trapped in victimhood Michelle's intense six-week EMDR therapy experience processing 30 years of repressed trauma, including her "day of rage" that signaled breakthrough The difference between managing symptoms and actually healing at the root Why we must learn to sit with uncomfortable emotions instead of pathologizing or avoiding them How choosing your hard, doing the work, and looking at symptoms with curiosity instead of judgment creates true freedom The critical role of community and tribe in the healing journey This conversation will challenge everything you've been told about mental health, permanent diagnoses, and what's actually possible when you're willing to do the uncomfortable work of healing. If you've been labeled, diagnosed, or told you're broken beyond repair, this episode is for you. Whether you're dealing with the aftermath of narcissistic abuse, struggling with mental health symptoms, or both, Michelle's message is clear: healing is possible, and you don't have to be a victim to your symptoms for the rest of your life. Ready to do your own recovery work? Visit ThePassageToPeace.com to explore my coaching programs, P.E.A.C.E. Pockets Survival Sessions, and one-on-one coaching. LINKS To Find Michelle: Website: www.theupsideofbipolar.com  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theupsideofbipolar  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theupsideofbipolar  Podcast: The Upside of Bipolar: Conversations on the Road to Wellness  Book: The Upside Support the show Get "GROOMED" Follow me on Instagram! Follow me on Tiktok! Subscribe to my Youtube Channel! Follow me on Linkden! Find me on Psychology Today! Learn more about our programs and services!

    57 min
  4. 12/31/2025

    Live in The Healing Room: It's Not a "You" Problem, It's a Brain Problem

    Share your comments with Marcia "Just move on. Just let it go. Just forget about it." If breaking free from a narcissistic relationship were that simple, you'd already be done. But it's not, and there's a reason why. In this live recording from The Healing Room, I break down the hard truth about trauma bonds and why willpower alone will never be enough to break them. This isn't about weakness - it's about understanding that you're dealing with a brain problem, not a character flaw. I'm covering: Why your brain treats the relationship like an addiction (because it literally is)The neurological patterns keeping you stuck in the cycleWhy New Year's resolutions are a trap when it comes to trauma bondsThe three things you actually need: structure, community, and the right frameworkHow to stop setting yourself up for failure and start creating real changeAs someone who spent 30 years in a marriage to a narcissist and five years breaking my own trauma bond, I'm not just teaching this - I've lived it. And I'm here to walk through it with you. Join me every Monday at 7 PM EST on TikTok and Instagram for Monday Night Live in The Healing Room, where we're breaking bonds and building better lives. Free Workshop: Join me January 19th, 2026 for a 75-minute deep dive on breaking the trauma bond. Support the show Get "GROOMED" Follow me on Instagram! Follow me on Tiktok! Subscribe to my Youtube Channel! Follow me on Linkden! Find me on Psychology Today! Learn more about our programs and services!

    46 min
  5. 12/29/2025

    The Strength Paradox - Why the Same Power That Keeps You In Gets You Out

    Share your comments with Marcia We've been taught that endurance equals strength. That staying means we're strong enough to handle it. But what if the very strength that kept you surviving in a narcissistic relationship is the same strength that will set you free? In this powerful episode, Marcia challenges everything you thought you knew about strength in toxic relationships. She reveals the critical difference between survival mode strength - the over-functioning, tolerance, and walking on eggshells we mistake for resilience - and true strength that chooses self-preservation over performance. Drawing from her own 30-year marriage to an overt narcissist, Marcia exposes how we get validation for "handling" difficult partners, how we confuse tolerance with resilience, and why waiting to "feel strong enough" keeps us stuck for decades. She shares the truth about rock bottom, the terrifying moment when the veil of denial lifts and you finally see what you can no longer unsee. This isn't about how to leave - it's about understanding that you already have the strength. You've been using it to survive. Now it's time to redirect that same power toward healing. Because the strength doesn't come before the doing. The strength comes IN the doing. If you've been waiting to feel strong enough, this episode will show you why that's the very thing keeping you trapped - and how to take that first scary step forward without a backup plan. Support the show Get "GROOMED" Follow me on Instagram! Follow me on Tiktok! Subscribe to my Youtube Channel! Follow me on Linkden! Find me on Psychology Today! Learn more about our programs and services!

    21 min
  6. 12/17/2025

    Live in The Healing Room: What You're Really Addicted To and It's Not the Narcissist

    Share your comments with Marcia Marcia Williams, licensed therapist and narcissistic abuse recovery coach, drops another truth bomb in the Healing Room, a weekly live session on TikTok and Instagram where she pushes survivors beyond survival mode. In this episode, Marcia breaks down what survivors are actually addicted to in toxic relationships, and spoiler alert, it's not the person. In this recovery session, we explore the real addictions: solving unsolvable puzzles, familiar pain, being the fixer, drama, and the rumination loops that keep your brain hostage at 3 AM. This is about moving from victim to victor by looking inward instead of staying focused on the narcissist's behavior. Key Topics: Why your brain won't stop ruminating and how to interrupt the patternThe five things you're actually addicted to in a narcissistic relationshipWhat you're really avoiding: your own healing, grief, and responsibility for stayingThe trauma bond chemistry and why just stop thinking about them doesn't workHow peace becomes terrifying after years of chaosThe mirror effect: how the narcissist shows you your own woundsPractical exercises to break the addiction through brutal self-honestyThis session is for survivors ready to go deeper than surface-level boundary work. If you're tired of focusing on what they did and ready to examine your own choices with compassion and truth, this episode will challenge you in the best possible way. Resources mentioned: P2P Essentials seven-week program, Women's H.O.P.E. Coaching Group for those still in relationships, one-on-one coaching, and the 30-minute Peace Pocket survival toolkit at thepassagetopeace.com Join Marcia live in The Healing Room every Monday Night on TikTok and Instagram. Support the show Get "GROOMED" Follow me on Instagram! Follow me on Tiktok! Subscribe to my Youtube Channel! Follow me on Linkden! Find me on Psychology Today! Learn more about our programs and services!

    28 min
  7. 12/10/2025

    Two Sides of the Same Coin: The Uncomfortable Truth About Narcissists & Empaths

    Share your comments with Marcia In this week’s episode of The Healing Room, Marcia takes you into one of the most challenging—and liberating—conversations of your healing journey. We’ve all heard the familiar narrative: the narcissist is the villain, and the empath is the victim. But what happens when you look beneath the labels? What happens when you hold up the mirror? Marcia breaks down the uncomfortable truth that narcissists and empaths are not opposites at all—they’re two sides of the same wounded coin. One inflates to survive, the other deflates. One hides behind superiority, the other hides behind selflessness. Both are masking the same core fear: “If you see who I really am, you’ll leave.” This episode walks you through: Why empaths are magnetically drawn to narcissists—and why narcissists seek them outHow both roles develop from the same childhood woundsThe ways empaths use caretaking, self-sacrifice, and “being needed” as a maskWhy awareness—not blame—is the key to breaking the cycleThe liberation that comes when you stop performing and start honoring your own boundariesHow to reclaim your worth so you no longer attract relationships built on woundsWith raw honesty and deep compassion, Marcia shares her own story of staying in a 30–year narcissistic marriage, the role she played without realizing it, and the moment she understood the truth that set her free. If you’re ready to step out of old patterns, stop performing for love, and finally see what’s been hiding beneath your own mask—this episode is the doorway. And remember:  You are not the narcissist.  But to heal, you must understand the mirror. Join Marcia live every Monday at 7 PM EST on TikTok and IG for more real talk, more breakthroughs, and more freedom on the other side of your truth. Support the show Get "GROOMED" Follow me on Instagram! Follow me on Tiktok! Subscribe to my Youtube Channel! Follow me on Linkden! Find me on Psychology Today! Learn more about our programs and services!

    31 min
  8. 12/08/2025

    From Burnout to Breakthrough: Dr. Tomi Mitchell’s Holistic Approach

    Share your comments with Marcia In this powerful episode, Marcia sits down with Dr. Tomi Mitchell — board-certified family physician, wellness and performance coach, TEDx speaker, and mental health advocate — for a raw, insightful conversation about healing from narcissistic abuse, burnout, and the patterns we inherit without even realizing it. Dr. Tomi brings her lived experience, her medical expertise, and her holistic framework to help us understand why our bodies react the way they do, why we normalize pain, and why so many survivors stay in harmful relationships far longer than they intended. Together, Marcia and Dr. Tomi pull back the curtain on the three critical relationships that shape our entire lives: The relationship we have with ourselvesThe relationships we have with our closest peopleThe relationship we have with work and societyWhen those “three legs of the stool” weaken, everything in our lives starts to wobble — our health, our peace, our identity, and our ability to function. Dr. Tomi explains how this imbalance often mimics ADHD, anxiety, depression, or burnout, and why so many survivors are misdiagnosed when the real issue is untreated trauma. You’ll hear both women share their own experiences with narcissistic abuse, identity loss, chronic stress, and the long road back to clarity. Dr. Tomi offers a compassionate but direct roadmap for reconnecting with yourself, rewriting your vision, and rebuilding your nervous system after years of survival mode. This episode is a must-listen if you’ve ever:  • Felt confused, foggy, or overwhelmed and didn’t know why  • Stayed in a relationship that hurt you because the unknown felt scarier  • Lost your identity to people-pleasing or perfectionism  • Experienced chronic headaches, burnout, or body symptoms you couldn’t explain  • Wondered if your ADHD symptoms were actually trauma responses  • Tried to heal yourself while still living in a toxic environment Dr. Tomi reminds us that healing is possible — but it begins with truth, vision, and the courage to face ourselves. And as Marcia shares, once we do that work, we don’t just survive… we rise, and then we go out and help others rise too. This conversation will leave you seen, understood, and empowered. If you want to learn more from Dr. Tomi or follow her work, you can find her here: The Mental Health & Wellness Podcast: https://www.buzzsprout.com/1754964 Holistic Wellness Strategies: https://www.holisticwellnessstrategies.com/about Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DrMitchellHWS IG: https://www.instagram.com/drtomimitchell/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drtomimitchell/ Support the show Get "GROOMED" Follow me on Instagram! Follow me on Tiktok! Subscribe to my Youtube Channel! Follow me on Linkden! Find me on Psychology Today! Learn more about our programs and services!

    43 min
4.6
out of 5
10 Ratings

About

Welcome to The Healing Lounge — the podcast where survivors of narcissistic abuse can finally exhale. Hosted by licensed therapist, author and survivor Marcia Williams, this show offers raw honesty, expert insights, and heartfelt stories to guide you from surviving to thriving. Whether you’re still in the relationship, freshly out, or rebuilding your life afterward, you’ll find the clarity, tools, and community you need here. Each week, Marcia blends her 22 years of clinical experience with the wisdom of her own 30-year marriage to a narcissist. Expect a mix of real talk, taboo conversations (yes, even the ones no one else will touch), practical strategies for healing, and inspiring guest interviews — from survivors, coaches, and loved ones impacted by abuse. The Healing Lounge is more than a podcast. It’s your safe space to reclaim your voice, rebuild your confidence, and protect your peace. Honest conversations. Expert insights. Survivor strength.

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