Ray Fernando, Adam (GosuCoder), and Nathan Snell are back on Rate Limited. Adam has Grok Bot logging into QuickBooks to run payroll for his side business and managing eBay and TCGPlayer accounts, while the crew digs into AI fatigue from too many bot messages, whether sub-agents or flat agents win in practice, and a blunt take on whether the engineering job market is cooked — plus hard-won advice for people just trying to break in. Links Ray Fernando: https://www.youtube.com/@RayFernando1337 Adam (GosuCoder): https://www.youtube.com/@GosuCoder Chapters 00:00 Welcome to Rate Limited 01:10 Grok Bot is running Adam's payroll 02:17 Grok Bot cost, plans, and usage limits 04:34 Plugins, elder care, and the vault 06:23 Bot message fatigue 06:51 Orchestrating bots (meet Grocky) 08:48 Decision fatigue after AI-heavy days 11:40 Context switching vs real productivity gains 15:03 Why big companies struggle with AI 17:45 Betting on a conversational harness 21:56 Sub-agents vs flat agents 24:06 Wave engineering and task decomposition 28:08 Vertical harnesses, skills, and Conway's Law 30:36 Job market despair and generational luck 37:09 Early internet lessons: jobs lost vs created 40:58 Is the engineering job market cooked? 44:10 Mono apps, MCP, and what's next Show notes / key topics • Grok Bot for payroll (QuickBooks), eBay, and TCGPlayer • Plan pricing, usage burn, and coding vs ops workflows • Vault for credentials at runtime • Bot inbox / decision fatigue and orchestrator bots • Token spend vs productivity • Sub-agents vs flat agents; wave engineering • Conway's Law and org-shaped agent designs • Engineering job market anxiety and adapting • Mono apps, MCP, SMS/email agents Tags Rate Limited, Grok Bot, AI agents, sub-agents, flat agents, AI fatigue, decision fatigue, payroll automation, QuickBooks, job market, engineering jobs, AI native, harness engineering, Ray Fernando, GosuCoder, Nathan Snell, podcast, Ep 24