12/12/2025

Separation of Church and Hate: Civility with Reggie Camarse

In this thoughtful and energizing conversation, Reggie Camarse invites listeners to reimagine civility not as politeness, passivity, or avoiding the hard stuff, but as a Kingdom-shaped way of engaging conflict with conviction, compassion, and restraint. As a pastor and leader who has navigated ministry across generational, political, and cultural lines, Reggie brings a grounded perspective on what it means for followers of Jesus to resist the escalating hostility of our age and embody a more excellent way. Reggie begins by reframing civility through the lens of discipleship. Civility is not the suppression of truth but the transformation of our tone. It is the discipline of approaching people with dignity, listening before assuming, and refusing to let disagreement become dehumanization. Throughout the episode, he shares stories from ministry and personal life in which choosing civility opened doors that anger would have slammed shut—conversations that moved forward, relationships that were preserved, and tensions that softened simply because someone chose to remain calm, curious, and compassionate. Together, you unpack the cultural pressures that push us toward outrage: algorithm-driven polarization, spiritual fatigue, and the subtle seduction of “us versus them.” Reggie speaks honestly about the emotional and spiritual work required to show up differently—to lead with empathy, to stay slow when others escalate, and to keep our identity rooted in Jesus rather than in winning arguments. He also offers practical ways to cultivate civility: asking better questions, naming emotions without weaponizing them, checking motivations before responding, and creating spaces in the church where people can process disagreement without fear. According to Reggie, civility doesn’t weaken the church’s witness—it strengthens it. It gives credibility to our convictions, clarity to our message, and Christlikeness to our posture. Ultimately, Reggie challenges listeners to imagine a church that isn’t known for reacting, but for responding with grace. In a culture of heat, civility becomes a light—the kind that points back to Jesus. Connect with Mission Church MSP: Website: missionchurchmsp.org Instagram: instagram.com/MissionChurchMSP Facebook: facebook.com/@MissionChurchMSP YouTube: youtube.com/@MissionChurchMSP

47 min

12/05/2025

The Separation of Church and Hate: Dignity with Chris Bellanger

In this deeply human and compelling episode, Chris Bellanger helps us rediscover a truth often forgotten in a polarized culture: every person carries inherent dignity. Drawing from decades of ministry, community work, and personal encounters across socioeconomic and cultural divides, Chris offers a grounded and practical perspective on seeing—really seeing—people the way Jesus does. The conversation begins with a simple but profound conviction: dignity isn’t something we give; it’s something we recognize. Chris shares stories from his pastoral life and community leadership, where he witnessed the transformative power of treating people not as problems to fix but as image-bearers worth honoring. Whether sitting with someone experiencing homelessness, leading in diverse ministry spaces, or navigating high-tension social issues, Chris has learned that dignity is the starting point for genuine change. Throughout the episode, Chris challenges the assumptions that often fuel division. He explains how labeling, dismissing, or dehumanizing—even subtly—erodes our ability to love well. In contrast, approaching people with dignity builds bridges, opens conversations, and restores trust. He unpacks how this posture shifts the tone of our engagement: listening replaces lecturing, compassion replaces contempt, and presence replaces performance. Chris also offers practical ways to cultivate a culture of dignity within the church: slowing down, entering conversations with curiosity, acknowledging our blind spots, and choosing empathy over assumptions. He emphasizes that dignity does not negate truth-telling—it strengthens it. When people feel seen and valued, even difficult conversations can lead toward healing rather than hostility. Through honest stories and thoughtful wisdom, Chris calls the church to model a better way in a world too quick to shame or silence. Dignity, he reminds us, is not optional for followers of Jesus—it is the way of Jesus. And when the church leads with dignity, it becomes a refuge of hope in a culture shaped by division. Interviewee: Chris Bellanger Chris Bellanger is the City Director for LINC Twin Cities, a nonprofit ministry committed to empowering local grassroots leaders to reach their communities with the hope of the Gospel. Under Chris’s leadership, LINC equips emerging leaders through coaching, training, strategic planning, and relational support, helping them launch and strengthen church plants, nonprofits, and Kingdom-minded businesses throughout the Twin Cities. Grounded in the belief that “No leader walks alone,” Chris is passionate about championing voices that are often overlooked, bridging diverse communities, and building collaborative partnerships across the Body of Christ. His heartbeat is to see every neighborhood saturated with the Gospel, where every person has the opportunity to encounter Jesus in a way they can understand, through someone they personally know. Chris is a Husband, Father, Pastor, and Community Leader. Who is deeply committed to seeing leaders thrive, cities healed, and lives transformed through the power of the Gospel. Connect with Mission Church MSP: Website: missionchurchmsp.org Instagram: instagram.com/MissionChurchMSP Facebook: facebook.com/@MissionChurchMSP YouTube: youtube.com/@MissionChurchMSP

49 min

11/28/2025

The Separation of Church and Hate: Humility with Clynt Reddy

In this rich and timely conversation, Pastor Clynt Reddy invites listeners into a deeper understanding of humility—not as weakness, timid politeness, or quiet disengagement, but as a transformative posture that shapes how we show up in a divided world. Drawing from his cross-cultural background, pastoral experience, and formative years in post-apartheid South Africa, Clynt shows how humility becomes a spiritual discipline that can heal relationships, restore trust, and create space for meaningful reconciliation. Throughout the episode, Clynt unpacks the difference between performative humility and embodied humility. Performative humility avoids conflict, seeks approval, and often masks pride. Embodied humility, however, is rooted in the life of Jesus—honest, courageous, self-examining, and willing to sacrifice comfort for the good of others. He shares the practices that keep him grounded: slowing down enough to truly listen, acknowledging what he doesn’t know, choosing presence over platform, and creating environments where people feel safe to share their experiences without fear of dismissal. Clynt reflects honestly on the tensions he navigates as a pastor—leading a diverse congregation, holding complex stories, and resisting the pressure to have quick, definitive answers to every cultural moment. Humility, he argues, is what keeps a leader teachable and a church approachable. It becomes a way of resisting the combative posture of our age and a countercultural witness that refuses the cycle of outrage. The conversation also explores how humility strengthens community life: it softens hardened assumptions, interrupts polarization, and invites people to move toward one another with curiosity rather than contempt. Clynt’s stories—from growing up in a country learning to reconcile, to pastoring in the Twin Cities—offer a real and hopeful vision for what becomes possible when the church embraces humility as a way of being, not just a trait to admire. Interviewee: Clynt Reddy Clynt Reddy is the Executive Pastor and Campus Pastor at Westwood Community Church, where he also serves on the teaching team. Originally from Durban, South Africa, Clynt has more than a decade of ministry and nonprofit leadership experience, spanning roles in discipleship, operations, and teaching. He holds degrees from the University of Minnesota and Bethel University, and is passionate about connecting the church with businesses, nonprofits, and education to make Kingdom impact. Clynt and his wife, Annie, live in Chanhassen, Minnesota with their four children and their dog, Rosie. He loves business and finance, good food, and traveling. Resources Humility: The Beauty of Holiness - tinyurl.com/29f994u6 Westwood Community Church - westwoodcc.org Connect with Mission Church MSP Website: missionchurchmsp.org Instagram: instagram.com/MissionChurchMSP Facebook: facebook.com/@MissionChurchMSP YouTube: youtube.com/@MissionChurchMSP

37 min

11/21/2025

Separation of Church and Hate: Unity - with Dr. Michelle Reyes

In this episode of The Proximity Podcast, Dr. Michelle Reyes invites listeners into a courageous and practical conversation about unity—not as sameness, but as the Spirit-empowered work of loving across cultural, ideological, and relational divides. As a pastor, author, and cultural intelligence scholar, Dr. Reyes offers a distinctly hope-filled and actionable vision for what unity could look like in the modern church. Drawing from her experience as a Latina leader and co-founder of the Asian American Christian Collaborative, Michelle brings a deep awareness of how cultural identity shapes discipleship and community. She unpacks how true unity begins with humility—a willingness to listen, lament, and learn from one another. Rather than glossing over difference, she reminds us that biblical unity is forged in the tension of diversity. Throughout the conversation, Michelle and the Proximity team reflect on the difference between performative peace and genuine reconciliation, exploring what it means to create “brave spaces” instead of merely “safe spaces.” She shares stories that illuminate how empathy and proximity become spiritual disciplines in a divided age, calling the church to live out Jesus’ prayer in John 17—that we would be one, not by erasing our distinctions, but by embodying love in the midst of them. In a world defined by outrage and echo chambers, Dr. Reyes helps us imagine a faith that listens first, loves deeply, and leads toward the kind of unity that turns enemies into neighbors and strangers into family. Interviewee - Dr. Michelle Reyes Dr. Michelle Reyes is a professor of cultural engagement at Wheaton College, the author of the award-winning book Becoming All Things, and a culturally-informed leadership coach, who has worked with over 800 leaders around the world. Her work has been featured on Good Morning, America and she’s been quoted in the New York Times, LA Times, and NBC.com among others. Get a free excerpt of her book when you subscribe to her Success Culture newsletter on Substack: substack.com/@michelleamireyes?utm_source=user-menu Authored Books: michelleamireyes.com/becoming-all-things Website: michelleamireyes.com Connect with Mission Church MSP: Website: missionchurchmsp.org Instagram: instagram.com/MissionChurchMSP Facebook: facebook.com/@MissionChurchMSP YouTube: youtube.com/@MissionChurchMSP

36 min

11/14/2025

Separation of Church and Hate: Identity - with Dr. Efrem Smith

In this thought-provoking episode, Dr. Efrem Smith joins The Proximity Podcast to explore the vital intersection of faith, race, and identity. Growing up in Minneapolis, Pastor Efrem’s story weaves through the complexities of belonging, the beauty of diversity, and the deep wounds of division that shape both the church and the city he calls home. As a pastor, author, and national voice for reconciliation and the multiethnic church, Dr. Smith brings an unfiltered honesty to what it means to follow Jesus in an era defined by polarization and pain. Pastor Efrem’s perspective on identity is both deeply personal and profoundly theological. He reminds us that identity in Christ does not erase ethnicity—it redeems it. Through stories of his own formation in North Minneapolis and his leadership in multiethnic ministry, he challenges listeners to see how the church can embody the Kingdom of God as a reconciling community that celebrates difference rather than fears it. This episode dismantles the false narrative that unity requires uniformity. Pastor Efrem paints a vision for a church rooted in the Gospel’s radical call to love beyond categories of color, culture, or class. In a time when faith communities can be drawn into the culture wars of division, Dr. Smith invites us back to the cross—the place where identity is reclaimed, dignity is restored, and love triumphs over hate. Interviewee: Dr. Efrem Smith Pastor Efrem Smith is an internationally recognized leader who uses motivational speaking and preaching to equip people for a life of transformation. He consults on issues of multi-ethnicity, leadership, and community development. Efrem is the former president and CEO of World Impact: an urban mission, church planting and leadership-development organization. He’s the author of several books, including his latest, “Killing Us Softly.” Efrem is a graduate of Saint John’s University and Luther Theological Seminary and received an honorary doctor of ministry degree from Ashland Theological Seminary and most recently earned his Doctor of Ministry degree in Church Leadership and Reconciliation Theology from Fuller Theological Seminary. Efrem is married to Donecia and has two daughters. He’s excited to be a part of all that God is doing in and through the Church. He, Pastor Bob, and Pastor Susie are encouraged by the rapid growth of Midtown Church and are eager to work together and share the love of God throughout the Sacramento region. Authored Books: • www.amazon.com/Church-Everyone-Multi-Inclusive-Community-Generations/dp/1514005506 • www.amazon.com/Post-Black-Post-White-Church-Community-Multi-Ethnic/dp/1118036581 Connect with Mission Church MSP: Website: missionchurchmsp.org Instagram: instagram.com/MissionChurchMSP Facebook: facebook.com/@MissionChurchMSP YouTube: youtube.com/@MissionChurchMSP

44 min

11/07/2025

Bonus Episode: The Lost Art of Serving - Gina Kurowski

In this episode of Proximity, Danny sits down with Gina, a seasoned marketplace leader and store manager at Starbucks, to rediscover The Lost Art of Serving. Together they explore how service—so often viewed as a task or job description—is actually a defining expression of leadership, culture, and character. Drawing from her experience in one of the most people-centric companies in the world, Gina shares how creating a culture of genuine care begins behind the counter—with leaders who listen, empower, and model humility. The conversation delves into how serving has become countercultural in a world that celebrates status, speed, and self-promotion. Gina talks candidly about what it takes to lead with empathy, develop people through encouragement, and turn everyday transactions into meaningful moments of connection. Her perspective reminds listeners that great leadership isn’t about position or recognition, but about creating environments where people feel seen, valued, and inspired to give their best. Danny and Gina also connect these ideas to faith—discussing how Jesus modeled servant leadership and how the same posture can reshape not only the workplace but the church and community. They explore the parallels between ministry and marketplace leadership, showing how a culture of service can spark transformation anywhere people gather. The Lost Art of Serving calls us back to a way of living where we roll up our sleeves, look people in the eye, and choose presence over power. Whether you’re leading a team, a church, or a family, this episode will remind you that serving isn’t beneath leadership—it is leadership. Connect with Mission Church MSP: Website: missionchurchmsp.org Instagram: instagram.com/MissionChurchMSP Facebook: facebook.com/@MissionChurchMSP YouTube: youtube.com/@MissionChurchMSP

36 min

11/07/2025

The Lost Art of Neighboring - JD Larson

In this episode of Proximity, Danny sits down with JD Larson, co-pastor of North City Church in Minneapolis, to rediscover what it means to practice The Lost Art of Neighboring. Together, they explore how neighboring is far more than friendly waves or occasional block parties—it’s a deeply spiritual and countercultural approach to life and ministry. JD shares how North City Church has intentionally shaped its rhythms around being present with the people who live closest, creating opportunities for discipleship, shared meals, and neighborhood transformation that start with genuine relationships, not church programs. The conversation challenges many of the default settings of modern ministry: growth without depth, influence without intimacy, and visibility without vulnerability. Instead, JD and Danny unpack how the future of the church might look smaller, slower, and more personal—where the table replaces the stage, and neighboring becomes a primary way to experience God’s mission. They reflect on how this approach pushes against the cultural currents of isolation, hurried schedules, and digital disconnection, calling followers of Jesus back to proximity as a way of being present with God and others. Through stories, honest reflections, and practical insights, JD reminds us that the most transformative ministry often happens not in church buildings but on sidewalks, porches, and around dinner tables. This episode invites listeners to imagine what could happen if we all saw our neighborhoods not as places we simply live in but as mission fields where love, hospitality, and faith can take root—one neighbor at a time. Resources Primary: tinyurl.com/2spsc7ke The agile resource network: agileresourcenetwork.com/ Secondary: tinyurl.com/zbtervsk tinyurl.com/3u38czjt tinyurl.com/29kuvue7 Connect with Mission Church MSP: Website: missionchurchmsp.org Instagram: instagram.com/MissionChurchMSP Facebook: facebook.com/@MissionChurchMSP YouTube: youtube.com/@MissionChurchMSP

43 min

10/31/2025

The Lost Art of Reaching - Scott Nelson

In this episode of Proximity, we sit down with Scott Nelson from the Northwest Conference of the Evangelical Covenant Church to talk about The Lost Art of Reaching. Scott has spent years walking alongside churches of every size and style—rural, urban, suburban, multiethnic, and multi-generational—and brings a front-row perspective to how ministry is changing in today’s culture. Together, we explore what it really means to “reach” people in a post-Christian world, where traditional models of church engagement no longer connect the way they once did. Scott shares how reaching others begins with listening well, loving deeply, and living with a missionary mindset in our own neighborhoods. We discuss how the Evangelical Covenant Church’s B.L.E.S.S. framework—begin with prayer, listen, eat, serve, and share—offers a simple yet powerful way to embody the gospel through everyday relationships. Scott also highlights stories of churches that are finding creative ways to meet people where they are, breaking down barriers between sacred and secular spaces. This episode reminds us that reaching isn’t about programs or platforms—it’s about presence. It’s the patient, Spirit-led work of showing up, building trust, and letting God open doors of influence and conversation. The Lost Art of Reaching challenges us to rediscover evangelism not as a task to complete but as a lifestyle to live—one that reflects Jesus’ compassion, humility, and hope in every interaction. Interviewee: Scott Nelson Scott Nelson is the Associate Superintendent of the Northwest Conference of the Evangelical Covenant Church, helping pastors, leaders, and churches to actively engage the mission of God, especially in church planting and leadership development. He has a Doctor of Ministry from Fuller Seminary, where he did a national research project on pastoral support, which became a book titled Supply Lines. Scott has spoken across the country and planted a church in Modesto, CA (which later planted a church) with his wife Hannah and five kids. He loves the outdoors, photography, and good food with great friends. www.northwestconference.org www.amazon.com/Supply-Lines-Supporting-Relationship-Planter/dp/B0C5S7Q4NC www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/surgeon-general-social-connection-advisory.pdf covchurch.org/make-and-deepen-disciples/intentional-evangelism/bless-resources/

40 min

10/24/2025

The Lost Art of Formation - Sara Richards

Proximity Podcast - Episode 3 The Lost Art of Formation - Sara Richards In this episode of Proximity, we explore The Lost Art of Formation with Sara Richards, the Campus Pastor of Discipleship at Bethel University. Together, we unpack what spiritual formation truly means in a world driven by achievement, distraction, and instant gratification. Sara shares how young adults today are navigating the tension between performance-based faith and a genuine, abiding relationship with Jesus. We talk about how formation happens best not in isolation but in community—through practices that shape the heart over time, like prayer, reflection, and intentional mentoring relationships. Sara invites us to see formation as a lifelong journey, one that integrates head, heart, and hands. It's not about checking spiritual boxes but learning to live from a place of surrender and awareness of God's presence in everyday life. We discuss the importance of making space for stillness and the role of discomfort in spiritual growth—how God often does His deepest work when we slow down and let Him lead. Ultimately, The Lost Art of Formation challenges us to resist shallow spirituality and to rediscover a life rooted in being, not just doing. Whether you're a student, a leader, or simply someone longing to grow deeper in faith, this conversation offers practical wisdom for how to become more like Jesus from the inside out. Interviewee: Sara Richards Pastor Sara joins the Bethel University team with a heart for the spiritual formation and direction of college-age students. She has over 20 years of pastoral experience and has earned postgraduate certificates in spiritual formation and spiritual direction. Sara is married to her husband Chad and has three sons, Zach, Caden, and Eli. She holds a B.A. from Bethel University '96. Book References Invitation to a Journey: A Road Map for Spiritual Formation (Transforming Resources): tinyurl.com/yurdymj8 Practicing the Way: Be with Jesus. Become like him. Do as he did.: tinyurl.com/36n2wnwx The Spirit of the Disciplines: Understanding How God Changes Lives: tinyurl.com/2cxuxfta Renovation of the Heart: tinyurl.com/552d4tcb Bible Project: bibleproject.com Sacred Rhythms: Arranging Our Lives for Spiritual Transformation: tinyurl.com/2kyz4jch The Deeply Formed Life: Five Transformative Values to Root Us in the Way of Jesus: tinyurl.com/5bpm6s5r

43 min

10/17/2025

The Lost Art of Hospitality - Dr. Matthew McBirth

Proximity Podcast - Episode 2 The Lost Art of Hospitality - Dr. Matthew McBirth Hospitality is more than a great charcuterie board or a night of laughter with friends. In many cultures, it’s a rite of passage—a sacred invitation into belonging and understanding. In this episode of Proximity, we rediscover hospitality as a way of life, not just an occasional event. Jesus modeled this kind of radical welcome—sharing tables with the outcast and the overlooked, turning ordinary meals into moments of transformation. True hospitality isn’t about presentation; it’s about presence. It’s creating space where people feel seen, safe, and significant. Our guest, Dr. Matthew McBirth, shares stories and insights about cultivating authentic community in everyday life—where sharing meals and opening doors can change hearts. In a divided world, hospitality may be one of the most powerful ways to love like Jesus and make room for God to move. Podcast interviewee: Dr. Matthew McBirth Matthew serves as Professor of Biblical Studies and the Director of Multicultural Affairs Ozark Christian College and Lincoln Seminary, where he strives to raise up servant leaders who love, honor, embrace, and encourage kingdom diversity for the sake of the Gospel. He is married to his beautiful bride, Allison, whom he met during his student years at OCC. They have two precious children. Apart from talking about the Bible and unity within the church, on campus, and in society, Matthew enjoys playing and hanging with his family. He holds a Doctorate of Ministry in New Testament Context (Northern Seminary) where he wrote "Jesus, the Early Church, and Belonging: A Contextual Study of Hospitality in the New Testament World.” - - - Proximity is a podcast from Mission Church, a new church serving the northwest region of Minneapolis/St. Paul. It is here that we address the relational, situational, cultural, and spiritual implications through real-life interactions. Each of us experiences moments that require us to step up, forward, back, and out, but how do you discern the best response? We step into a dangerous middle, holding these tensions in love, full of grace and truth. Connect with Mission Church MSP: missionchurchmsp.org Instagram: instagram.com/@MissionChurchMSP Facebook: facebook.com/@MissionChurchMSP YouTube: youtube.com/@MissionChurchMSP

35 min

10/08/2025

The Lost Art of Forgiveness - Micah E. Davis

Proximity Podcast - Episode 1 The Lost Art of Forgiveness - Micah E. Davis The “F” word – forgiveness. We all want it, but we struggle to give it. Woundedness, broken relationships, and disappointment over time can harden our hearts and convince us that forgiveness is not worth it – and for good reason. But forgiveness, when given and received, is active within a community of faith; there is life to be found. Podcast interviewee: Micah E. Davis Micah E. Davis lives and writes inside “the loop” of Indianapolis with his wife, Rylei, and their Australian Kelpie, Leo. He is a pastor of teaching and vision at The Sanctuary. Micah believes the written and spoken word are mediums to elicit heart change and life transformation. See -- micahedavis.com. • What forgives is, or isn’t, and how to practice it • How God uses forgiveness to heal relationships • Knowing the difference between forgiving and forgetting • The physical, spiritual, and emotional health benefits of forgiveness mediacenter.tyndale.com/p/three-strikes-youre-forgiven/9798400501401 www.youtube.com/@micahedavis amazon.com/Three-Strikes-Youre-Forgiven-Encounter/dp/B0DYYPXSKZ sanctuaryindy.com/ - - - Proximity is a podcast from Mission Church, a new church serving the northwest region of Minneapolis/St. Paul. It is here that we address the relational, situational, cultural, and spiritual implications through real-life interactions. Each of us experiences moments that require us to step up, forward, back, and out, but how do you discern the best response? We step into a dangerous middle, holding these tensions in love, full of grace and truth. Connect with Mission Church MSP: missionchurchmsp.org Instagram: instagram.com/@MissionChurchMSP Facebook: facebook.com/@MissionChurchMSP YouTube: youtube.com/@MissionChurchMSP

41 min

Proximity Podcast

Episodes

Separation of Church and Hate: Civility with Reggie Camarse

The Separation of Church and Hate: Dignity with Chris Bellanger

The Separation of Church and Hate: Humility with Clynt Reddy

Separation of Church and Hate: Unity - with Dr. Michelle Reyes

Separation of Church and Hate: Identity - with Dr. Efrem Smith

Bonus Episode: The Lost Art of Serving - Gina Kurowski

The Lost Art of Neighboring - JD Larson

The Lost Art of Reaching - Scott Nelson

The Lost Art of Formation - Sara Richards

The Lost Art of Hospitality - Dr. Matthew McBirth

The Lost Art of Forgiveness - Micah E. Davis

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